I was shocked the other day when I listened to Lionel calling for the severe beating of Tucker Carlson. Now I don't even know why Carlson even has a job and Rachel Maddow would be a great replacement but Lionel this time crossed a line I always thought was a right wing offense: calling for violence. Doing so I think Lionel discredited Air America and thus he hurt Rachel's chances to get the job even if that was a remote possibility.
He didn't just call for a beating, he depicted the gruesome details: beat him up until he's unconscious then wake him up just to deny him the benefit of unconsciousness and cause more pain. To say something like that over the airwaves severely compromises the mission statement and goals of Air America and more broadly the progressive movement. Therefore I hereby am calling for the resignation of Lionel, call in the show and tell them what you think about advocacy for violence and tell them not to even bring up the "it was a joke" defense...every skinhead does it and it doesn't work.
I always thought that morning slot rightfully belongs to Sam Seder who's latest success includes calling for activism and support of Chris Dodd's filibuster and I believe he also had a hand in Ned Lamont's victory and the marginalization of Joe Lieberman. Lionel is just not as good at this sort of stuff. It seems to me his net effect at airamerica radio has been at most undetectable if not negative. Any thoughts?
Lionel started as a caller in Tampa. I met him a couple times. He's good friends with a Chef friend of mine. Funny guy. They gave him a job on air in Tampa, he eventually quit being a lawyer and went to New York radio. I don't know how he got to Air Hammerhead.
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Originally posted by Sawdust: Lionel started as a caller in Tampa. I met him a couple times. He's good friends with a Chef friend of mine. Funny guy. They gave him a job on air in Tampa, he eventually quit being a lawyer and went to New York radio. I don't know how he got to Air Hammerhead.
Funny or not, he is not a progressive that's for sure. That's fine I guess but this latest offense just hurts the rest of the good people at Air America as well. We don't want nut cases representing our side of the debate. Now if the nazis over at nut case radio central call for the beating of Olbermann or Stewart they can point to Air America: you see the other "side" is doing it too. I resent that.
Why, you don't seem to mind the left wing frootloops that think the government flew planes into the trade center. They do as much to turn off normal people as Lionel.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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I can't stand Lionel, and I agree. His high whiny voice is impossible to listen to. He's not funny and not even a professional broadcaster. I would like to hear Stephanie Miller in that slot.
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Just to weigh in from the left frooty side, I hope Sawdust remembers that a lot of the truthers are from the right side of the spectrum as well. Just because you find questioning 9/11 to be an embaressment for left, does not equate with someone who is recommending violence. Interestingly it seems like just another of those convienient arguments that can associate 9/11 truth with whatever you can find despicable. You do need the staw men in your repotire since you and those like you who insinuate hysterical attributions onto us and then run from discussion, really have few arguments at your disposal anyway. Sawdust, you have made your fellings known on 9-11 and choose for the most part not to engage in conversation. I can basically respect that, but these swipes are slowly moving you towards the company of those who attack with an attitude that claims they are above discussion. I do not think it is worthy company.It almost reminds me of an analogy in baseball. In the National league if you are a pitcher and you throw at someone, then your time at bat they have the oppurtunity to retaliate. I do not really like equating violence with fair discussion, but the analogy does serve to demonstrate a circumstance where those who provoke are not subject to redrees from those provoked.
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I have heard Lionel himself reference a couple things about 9/11 (just to tie in the two threads that are ongoing on this thread):
The debris (remains)(wreckage) of the flight that was *shot down* over PA was strewn for miles about. How could that be explained if the plane weren't shot down?
The hole in the Pentagon was quite narrow and showed exposure of the second and third floors, which were intact just inside the wall and some small distance having been blown away. You could see desks, etc., sitting on these relatively undamaged floors. And this was hit by a commercial airliner?
Anybody seen a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Didn't think so.
Matt, the "truthers" are a very small percentage of the population. Trust me when I say this. The majority think the truthers are crazy. I'm not talking minor league crazy, I'm talking the whole enchilada certifiable crazy.
I don't think the topic is above discussion, especially if you're running for the Mayor of Crazytown.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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Sawdust posted: "Trust me when I say this. The majority think the truthers are crazy. I'm not talking minor league crazy, I'm talking the whole enchilada certifiable crazy."
This post means absolutely nothing. Does a poll of majority opinion indicate anything other than just that: opinion?
Sawdust: dust off your brain & think for yourself.
I am thinking for myself. I've heard eye witnesses say they saw a plane crash into the Pentagon, I've see pictures of plane wreckage at the Pentagon and I've heard a reporter who got next to the Pentagon discribe plane wreckage just after the plane hit Pentagon. I listened to Ted Olson discribe his last conversation with his wife Barbra who was on the plane.
I think my mind is about made up. It was a plane. Sorry if I don't share your opinion that George Bush commissioned Lectroids from the Planet 10 to crash their Ossilation Overthruster into the Pentagon.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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Sawdust posted: "I am thinking for myself. I've heard eye witnesses say they saw a plane crash into the Pentagon, I've see pictures of plane wreckage at the Pentagon and I've heard a reporter who got next to the Pentagon discribe plane wreckage just after the plane hit Pentagon. I listened to Ted Olson discribe his last conversation with his wife Barbra who was on the plane."
None of this adds up to physical evidence. All the physical evidence we have is that a large airliner did not hit the building (Pentagon).
Don't know exactly how this was arranged, but think it was not space aliens involved. That is your conjecture, Sawdust.
and: "I've see pictures of plane wreckage at the Pentagon"
Maybe you could direct us to those pictures?
All the ones I've seen of the Pentagon do not show airliner wreckage. Just a narrow, vertical hole and some charred surrounding area, on the building and the ground.
Going back to the original point of this thread, though: maybe Lionel ought to just challenge Carlson to a fight? Marquis of Queensbury rules or something else agreed upon.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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I can't find the pictures of the plane wreckage on those links
Did investigate on google: found picture of hub of airliner landing gear, which was found inside Pentagon building itself. Drift is that intense fire burnt/melted most of wreckage.
So is this the official story: Upon high-speed impact, wings collapsed in toward fuselage, thereby causing relatively narrow gash in building; momentum of plane carried it well inside building, therefore all wreckage would be inside; then most of it burned beyond recognition?
I'm done with this again. I'm sorry I got myself sucked into discussing it.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell: Going back to the original point of this thread, though: maybe Lionel ought to just challenge Carlson to a fight? Marquis of Queensbury rules or something else agreed upon.
...or maybe perhaps he should manage his blood sugar levels before he gets in front of a mike...or better yet, he should go ahead and join one of them hate talk outfits.
Dave my friend, I'm jumpin' off the crazy train. Some people think the moon landing is fake and pro wresteling is real. I'm good with it.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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This why a lot of message boards give the twoofera whole sub-forum, like on the Randi Rhodes board. It helps to break the woo-woo down into little pieces with a single though behind the theories.
Lionel did show poor investigative skills when he pointed out the clear demarkation between the wingprints and inward-directed flow of aircraft parts. It actually supports the official narrative Explosives would have damaged everything along an expanding path.
It' sort of like shooting one deer with a rifle then shoving a stick of dynamite up anothers ass . Which one will do the greatest damage and afflict the greatest number of soft tissues?
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Sawdust- Is it possible for somebody to have serious questions on 9/11, but not to have come to an ultimate conclusion. Do most of the American people think someone that has concerns that we don't have the air defense that we thought we had, believe that person is certifiable? If you think for a minute you have been lied to in any way, does that equate you to a no-planer? We have gone this road before, and you say serious questions are O.K. So where is it that people go over the line? Isn't it really at the point that we imagine that our government would intentionally deceive us that qualifies a truther as loony?
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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Originally posted by Gnarlodious: I can't stand Lionel, and I agree. His high whiny voice is impossible to listen to. He's not funny and not even a professional broadcaster. I would like to hear Stephanie Miller in that slot.
I have heard Lionel's show about 8 times...we don't get it much on on Air America feed here.... I definitely won't shed a tear if he is pulled...his voice is more made for voice over commercial work...and his show doesn't keep me glued to the radio
Someone I wish would get back on the radio is Marc Maron....I thought his morning show was great...and he had some hilarious running bits like the Right Wing Radio DJ persona he'd snap into, and the Planet Bush dude that would call in...whoever wrote those bits did
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