Read our Terms of service before engaging in discussions here. we like like to treat evryone with respect here...
yeah even the neocons!
I may call Bush and any other conservative public figure every foul name in the book, but fellow members I try to treat with respect. I understand it is hard and I have been guilty in the past of violating the hell out of our terms of service before it was established. Also, the other liberal sites out there treat cons who happen by as subhuman.
We have a large conservative membership here and they are very vocal, heck most of them I now consider friends. It's a healthy mix and fertile ground to learn from each other, so please try to be careful on how post. The best advice I evr received is this...
"Attack the idea not the person"
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
I may call Bush and any other conservative public figure every foul name in the book, but fellow members I try to treat with respect.
To be honest, reserving your name-calling to public figures doesn't really make any sense. If you think about it, what's the difference? Really! All are equally responsible for this mess. King George is just as much a person as anyone on these boards and I can't say I actually know anyone on these boards so it's really just a formality that really doesn't make much sense when there are so many members.
Originally posted by bill king: Read our Terms of service before engaging in discussions here. we like like to treat evryone with respect here...
yeah even the neocons!
I may call Bush and any other conservative public figure every foul name in the book, but fellow members I try to treat with respect. I understand it is hard and I have been guilty in the past of violating the hell out of our terms of service before it was established. Also, the other liberal sites out there treat cons who happen by as subhuman.
We have a large conservative membership here and they are very vocal, heck most of them I now consider friends. It's a healthy mix and fertile ground to learn from each other, so please try to be careful on how post. The best advice I evr received is this...
"Attack the idea not the person"
One of the best ways to learn is to disect the flaws in conservative thinking. It brings about a much clearer perpective and understanding on how things actually function if you have an interest in that sort of thing. In this manner, they serve a very beneficial purpose on the board.
They show clearly beliefs on what brought about things and policies that don't work. How thought processes defy actuality. This opens the opportunity to find out how things actually do work and what is required for policies that are supportive of human and national growth rather than destructive.
And it keeps it interesting.
Retired Monk "Ideology is a disease"
Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
Because the bottom of the page is reserved for American icons?
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
I'm not seeing it. I use Adblocker Plus though, so I don't see a lot of stuff.
What a great streight line. If it was anyone else.....
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
Yeah, I just addressed that in the other "Coulter" thread. I was hoping I gained points for listening to Thom's radio show and buying his books. I was even going to pay to go to the Town Hall thing in Seattle to hear him, but damn, they sold out fast!
------------------------------------ We cannot control the evil tongues of others; but a good life enables us to disregard them.
Posts: 1855 | Location: here and now | Registered: 22 September 2005
Ok, I just signed in on my work computer and I can see all the ads now. I've checked various threads and the advertisements fit somehow. I think the keyword that prompted the Coulter ad was "conservative". If we want it to change we could probably make it by posting some "hot" words like: mortgage, debt relief, house payment, refinance, interest rate.... There, that ought to keep it busy for a moment.
S'OK Gnarly. I don't mind the ads on this site so much. Another forum I visit had the hot words linked to the advertisement and if your mouse crossed over them it would open another window that you couldn't close until the ad played out. It was so annoying, that was when I got the Adblocker Plus. I understand that these things help pay for sites like this. I have two blog sites that I read regularly and they have minimal advertising, so once a year they ask for voluntary donations and I'll throw a few bucks their way.
------------------------------------ We cannot control the evil tongues of others; but a good life enables us to disregard them.
Posts: 1855 | Location: here and now | Registered: 22 September 2005
Yeah I did Ron, because my post was meant for the newbies and even though you were joking I didn't want them to take it the wrong way Also, my post is serious about how members are suppose to behave here, in response to some recent problems since the membership registration is now free again. I felt your post detracted too much of the serious nature from my post and since i want all new members to take what I said seriously I deleted your post.
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
Originally posted by Ronald Rutherford: NP, Bill. I do not take it personally and understand your reasoning. But I do ask whether my actual points registered with you. So for all 'people that are new to Thom's Forum': I welcome you here and look forward to our discussions/debates etc...
Thanks for understanding Ron
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
As a new and occasional poster, I appreciate the board policy of requiring respect for fellow posters. We will never convince anyone that our position is valid by attacking them (even if we are being really, really clever!) By maintaining a safe environment where debate is civil, we have an opportunity to affect the thinking of others.
Much as I enjoy poking at wrong thinking conservatives, it would be much better if I could be persuasive enough to convince them of the error of their ways instead of just making them mad!
Rosie's Girl
Posts: 8 | Location: Seattle, WA | Registered: 08 March 2007
We don't get mad. We become amused. Welcome to the board.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
As I see it, the underlying problem in this country is that the people most qualified to run it -- are you listening, Thom? -- don't want to get their souls dirty by running for political office. (Ok, Franken's an exception).
Thom, I have nothing but great respect for Russ Feingold, but believe that he is bringing a pen knife to a “gunfight”, with his “censure” proposal. The “anti Christ” bush and his band of demons from some hell or another have no concern regarding anything the Congress does and would probably simply issue another unconstitutional “executive orders” to prevent it. The only effective Constitutional weapons that the Congress has, are articles of Impeachment, a fast trial and removal from office for both bush and cheney, but if not used now will probably go the way of habeas corpus, the 4th and 5th amendment, congressional oversight and the rule of law. The war in Iraq, as horrible as it is, is also covering up the power play to create a Dictator and this must be stopped, now. There are 13 States that went Blue in 2006 and have republican senators running in 2008, if there is an election, and these senators must be constantly bombarded by their constituents, with e mails, and letters demanding that they uphold their oath of office. I’m a firm believer in the ability of the letters to the editor section of virtually every newspaper as a vehicle for getting the message out. My blog www.lewsviews.com has tips that I used to have well over 150 LTEs published. Lew Huddleston lphudd@cox.net Fayetteville Ar 72703
Posts: 2 | Location: fayetteville ar | Registered: 13 April 2007
Thom, Remember that guy after hurricane katrina, the one who told cheney to go f--- himself? I wonder what ever happened to him after that? Maybe you could give him a shout out, see if he listens.
Posts: 1 | Location: Minnesota | Registered: 16 March 2007
Somehow, I am distrustful of those who try to convince me to be nice, nice, nice to conservatives. I don't know whether it's political/historical illiteracy, or a silencing/placating/diluting/diverting strategy. The truth is that there are huge differences - educational, cultural, ethical (?) etc. even among people who have something in common, and there is a need for them to share information, discuss the issues of importance for the country, or of importance for ... not far right (I don't see any left left in this country). In other words, there is a real need for "not far right" to be alone, or at least resist the bully shtick - be nice to us, we might convert. Personally, I am perfectly ready to ignore the right. It's the conservatives who are on the run now - finally, and it's in their interest to be converted - genuinely or on surface. It's time for them to drop their party cards. If not, it's their problem, not ours. Your party is over, "friends." How many more children or elderly can you murder?
Or, just in case .... some are just confused ... it's a discussion forum not a ring/debate teams. Know the difference. Of course, our main concern should be now whether Republicans will get mad, or not. Hopefully, they'll get mad, and go where they belong - to hot, hot places.
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Posts: 371 | Location: New York | Registered: 01 July 2007
I'm very glad there are folks like Saw, Ron, Log, and others with whom to debate. Makes for very interesting discussions, and more fruitful ones than all of us spinning in place as we preach to the choir.
I'm fairly new to these boards (Apr 07) but have already had some great discussions about board ethics, and have had some great debates with cons/repubs/however-they-label-themselves about a range of issues. We've kept to the ethic of hitting the issues hard, not the person. Not everybody here gets it though, obviously. There are a few trolls out there who consistenly bait people, and a few who seem to try to pick fights and cry foul needlessly- but they're the exception.
The place for asking Thom questions is here in the "On Air questions for Thom Hartmann" thread, so I'm moving questions asked here over there so he will see them. That thread is not for discussion, however, so if you want to discuss the questions with other people on the board, please ask them again in the most suitable section. To start a new discussion in a section, click on the "new" button.
Hmmm, I guess the questions discussion is so old that I can't move messages to it. Oh well.
Sue N.
Posts: 4624 | Location: UK | Registered: 16 November 2004
Welcome 1984. OK, OK, me too, me too. I love everyone, everything, all the time. If there is a need for more similar statements, I am ready, willing, eager ... yes, yes, yes. I'll read all the slogans from the book, yes, yes, yes. War is peace etc.
Posts: 371 | Location: New York | Registered: 01 July 2007
Today I am a newbie here unfortunately I may have come up with the disgusting term " Turd Maggot" to describe neocons.it is a revolting and shocking term to describe humans who create a world of injustice and greed then feed off of it as a parasite. I promiss to not use the term here and behave myself. What brought me here is being a long term listener of Thom's.Today July 26th Thom expressed something so well about our culture and world that I have sadly watched that i had to check in. Well back to painting this mystery of humans need.
we can see tomorrow if we don't entertain our selves to death
Posts: 1 | Location: Los Angeles (west valley ) | Registered: 26 July 2007
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