Just so you know, GGod literally thinks she's going to heaven for posting here. Some people, like her King in the White House, thinks he's getting to heaven by invading other countries in the name of Christ. Others fly planes into buildings. It's all related. GGod comes here.
And being fresh to her mindless meanderings, be advised that there is no possibility of finishing the argument with her. She loses EVERY argument but she has this trick or rather a pattern of delusion that allows her to move on.
As I've seen it, it goes like this, especially with someone new the the boards...
1. She makes some quasi religious statement that invariably has something to do with sex. 2. She then supports her argument that can be summarized as basically, "Because the bible tells me so." 3. We then point out to her what her bible actually says. 4. She then pretends she doesn't have time and will get back to your points. 5. The next thing you know, she's moved on to a different subject and no matter how much evidence you pile up against her, she refuses to look at it. 6. Because it doesn't serve her well to listen to our points, she's now forgotten she ever ran into that proverbial brick wall call facts and makes some new quasi-religious statement and the whole process begins again.
She's a fundamentalist Catholic and accepts Adam and Eve as real, not metaphor.
Please correct me if I am wrong GGod.
After two years of arguing with her, it's obvious that she doesn't have a clue what is in her own bible and it's also very clear that she knows little of other cultures and their religions. She's able to compartmentalize her faith so that she's not affected by the atrocities of her own church and its history. And like so many of her Republican cohorts, hypocrisy runs thick as blood.
I think she's deeply troubled by the incongruity of her own religious text but because it all means so much to her and her sense of worth, she doesn't dare challenge any of it. Instead, she makes up ridiculous excuses that only dig a deeper hole for her to sink into. And as she compensates for these crazy concepts, she has to increasingly accept stranger and more absurd positions in order for it all to work.
Ultimately, as we've seen with every Neocon Republican push in the last 7 years, they are carved down to their naked absurdity and the only way these republicans can make it through all the bull$hit, they must sing a happy song...they pray.
HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY, HAPPY, HAPPY JOY, HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY, HAPPY HAPPY JOY.
They really can't understand why fewer people sing along with them anymore.
I wonder why lying about WMDs that took us into a war of choice, that has killed close to 4000 of our soldiers over 22,000 wounded. 200,000 Iraqis dead and they think their family values are above reproach. Yet, they will stomp until red in the face that a president could lie about his own sexual encounter in the privacy of his own home. Yet, they easily accept hundreds of thousands of deaths against a country that was NEVER a threat to us.
We've won this argument and they know it. Like GGod's defense of her own religion, they cannot defend their war because it was built on false assumptions...LIES and PROPAGANDA!
Great post Artjunky. I guess this makes you Anti-GGod.
The thing is this is the second time (third if you count Italy under Mussolini) they made the same mistake! You would think they would be a little cautious. Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler.
Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.
Hitler greets a Catholic Cardinal
Dresden pastor Friedrich Coch is one of the leading men of the "German Christians" in Saxony. The NSDAP's Gau consultant for church matters since 1932, he is elected to the office of state bishop by the "Brown Synod" in August 1933.
And don't forgot the Spanish Catholics....Germany, Italy, and Spain. Spanish Bishops giving the fascist salute
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Ultimately, as we've seen with every Neocon Republican push in the last 7 years, they are carved down to their naked absurdity and the only way these republicans can make it through all the bull$hit, they must sing a happy song...they pray.
And the Democrat congress has a 11-14% rating; the lowest in how many years, AJ? They've accomplished nothing SINCE November 2006.
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...They've accomplished nothing SINCE November 2006.
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...Then Pelosi's fellow Democrats fulfilled her pledge to pass the "Six for '06" agenda of carefully poll-tested legislation within 100 legislative hours. The House voted to raise the federal minimum wage, allow federally funded embryonic stem cell research, implement recommendations of the 9/11 commission, cut oil and gas tax breaks, allow Medicare to negotiate drug price discounts and cut student loan rates. SFGate.com
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The Church was not blind to that fact that there would be an increased loss of lives if the Pope spoke in opposition. The nazi regime had already proven they were not going to abide by any means for peaceful negotiations and treaties.
Did you know the Catholic Church safe guarded many Jews during the nazi aggression and saved many from extermination? One Jewish leader credited the Church for heroism and he became a Catholic.
Summi Pontificatus Encyclical on the Unity of Human Society His Holiness Pope Pius XII Promulgated on October 20, 1939
On pages 8 and 9 are the powerful attacks on totalitarianism and racism
During World War II,many Jews around the world had the chance to observe Pope Pius XII's conduct. They listened to his every word, and scrutinized his every action. Instead of seeing "Hitler's Pope," most Jews concluded that Pius XII's public statements were directed against the Nazis, and that he and his subordinates in many Nazi-occupied and Axis countries were trying to save Jewish lives. The many extraordinary and eloquent tributes that the Pope once received from Jews show that the allegations that he was a Nazi collaborator and indifferent toward the extermination of Jews would have seem completely unjustified and unjust to those who closely followed his career.
The Myth of Hitler's Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews From the Nazis - David G. Dalin a professor of history and political science at Ave Maria University, Naples, Florida -- and an ordained rabbi -- demonstrates in his book, "The Myth of Hitler's Pope". It is a false and distorted portrayal that the Vatican, "did nothing" during the Holocaust to help Jews.
Pius XII did not issue a formal condemnation of Nazism because the German and Austrian bishops feared increased retaliation and dissuaded him from making additional protests that would undoubtedly irritate Hitler. And there was retaliation. During the persecution against Catholics, the Nazis not only destroyed churches and closed schools, but also arrested priests and Catholic leaders who were sent to concentration camps. All the protests of the Holy See were reported in a volume published in Germany in 1965.
A Catholic Martyr of WWII -
"Edith Stein was a Jewish girl that converted to Catholicism and entered the religious life. Although she did not seek death, Stein had often expressed her willingness to offer herself along with the sacrifice of Christ for the sake of her people, the Jews, and also for the sake of their persecutors. She was martyred for her Catholic faith and beatified by Pope John Paul II on May 1,1987.
Edith Stein is one of those people whose entire life seems to be a sign.
She was born on Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, in 1891 in Breslau, Germany (now Wroclaw, Poland), the youngest of eleven children in a devout Jewish family."
There are other examples of heroism by Catholics and other Christians during the Nazi regime.
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Nazi Germany was responsible for some of the most horrific acts of the twentieth century, if not of all human history. Germany was at the time a very Christian nation with large numbers of both Protestants and Catholics. How did they reconcile their religion with Nazism? How did the churches go along with the Nazi government?
In Pope Benedict XVI: A Biography of Joseph Ratzinger , John L. Allen Jr. writes about the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Nazi Party: Pope Benedict XVI: A Biography of Joseph Ratzinger
Many ordinary Catholics objected to attacks on their church, but there was simply no opposition to Nazism tout ensemble. ... In fact, there were key points at which Nazi and Catholic attitudes intersected and created a basis for mutual support. Both groups hated the Weimar Republic. The Nazis opposed Weimar because it was allegedly too Jewish and led by the “November Criminals” who sold out the country after the First World War; Catholics objected to it because it smacked of liberalism, sexual degeneracy, and an irreligious spirit.
Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, gave a speech in May 1933 in which he expressed thanks for the Volksgemeinschaft, or spirit of community, which Hitler had fostered, and rejected “liberal individualism.” Moreover, Catholics shared with Nazis an instinctive fear of the Bolsheviks.
Finally, there was a form of anti-Jewish sentiment that was openly accepted among Catholics, based in part on the theological argument that the Jews sinned by rejecting Christ and in part on the historical fact that many Jews had played leading roles in the Kulturkampf. As early as 1925, a Franciscan priest named Erhard Schuland wrote a book called “Katholizismus und Vaterland” (Catholicism and Fatherland) that called on Germans to fight “the destructive influence of the Jews in religion, morality, literature and art, and political and social life.” Schuland expressed what was very much the consensus in German Catholicism of the day...
Support for the Nazis, their social policies, and their anti-Semitism was not limited to ordinary Catholics and a few random priests:
Archbishop Konrad Gröber of Freiburg was known as the “Brown Bishop” because he was such an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis. In 1933, he became a “sponsoring member” of the SS. After the war, however, he claimed to have been such an opponent of the Nazis that they had planned to crucify him on the door for the Freiburg Cathedral.
Bishop Wilhlem Berning of Osnabrück sat with the Deutsche Christen Reichsbishop in the Prussian State Council from 1933 to 1945, a clear signal of support for the Nazi regime.
Cardinal Bertram also had some affinity for the Nazis. In 1933, for example, he refused to intervene on behalf of Jewish merchants who were the targets of Nazi boycotts, saying that they were a group “which has no very close bond with the church.”
Bishop Buchberger of Regensburg called Nazi racism directed at Jews “justified self-defense” in the face of “overly powerful Jewish capital.”
Bishop Hilfrich of Limburg said that they true Christian religion “made its way not from the Jews but in spite of them.”
Because the Catholic leadership did not consistently oppose the Nazi policies, it was relatively easy for the Nazis to co-opt the Catholic churches in their effort to round up and exterminate the Jews. A large number of Jews converted to Christianity in order to avoid persecution and the only way the Nazis found them out was because of the help of Catholic authorities:
After April 7, 1933, civil servants in Germany were required to prove that they were not Jews. Because births had been registered by the state only since 1874, the church was called upon to provide many records. The Catholic church cooperated right up to the end of the war. Likewise, after the 1935 Nüremberg laws that forbade marriage between Aryans and non-Aryans, most Catholic priests did not perform such ceremonies, even though the number of Jewish conversions to Catholicism was accelerating because of the persecution.
Yes, right up until the end of the war, Catholic clergy were actively assisting the Nazi program of racial purification. They provided detailed records of who converted and who didn't, who married and Jew and who didn't. When two people wanted to marry, Catholic priests enforced Nazi race laws against Aryans being allowed to marry non-Aryans. The Nazis' agenda of racial discrimination and purification would not have worked without the active, willing, and eager cooperation of Christian churches.
After the war, the Allies tried to rely on Catholic clergy to help them in their program of de-Nazification of the government. That was a mistake — Catholic assistance to the Nazis hadn't ended when the Nazis surrendered. Catholic bishops realized that eliminating all Nazis would leave Communists and Social Democrats in charge and they concluded that that would be worse than having the Nazis in power — so they basically lied to the Allies. Unrepentant Nazis were returned to positions of authority over the German people because Catholic clergy gave them a clean bill of political and ideological health.
Eventually the Allies grew wise to the Catholic duplicity and stopped relying on the word of priests about whether someone had been a Nazi. That is the legacy of the Catholic Church from Nazi Germany: not resistance, but cooperation; not the defense of principle but the defense of social power.
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Ratlines were systems of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward safe havens in South America, particularly Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil and Chile. Other destinations may have included the United States, Canada and the Middle East.
One ratline, made famous by the Frederick Forsyth thriller The Odessa File, was run by the ODESSA (Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen; "The Organization of Former SS-Members") network organized by Otto Skorzeny. However, more recent research shows that this organisation played at most a minor part in the organised smuggling of some tens of thousands of Nazi war-criminals. The reality was both more prosaic and possibly more shocking: national governments and international institutions played a larger role than secret societies.
The Roman ratlines
Early efforts—Bishop Hudal
Catholic Bishop Alois Hudal was rector of the Pontificio Istituto Teutonico Santa Maria dell’Anima in Rome, a seminary for Austrian and German priests, and "Spiritual Director of the German People resident in Italy" [1]. After the end of the war in Italy, Hudal became active in ministering to German-speaking prisoners of war and internees then held in camps throughout Italy. In December 1944 the Vatican Secretariat of State received permission to appoint a representative to "visit the German-speaking civil internees in Italy", a job which was assigned to Hudal.
Hudal used this position to aid the escape of wanted Nazi war criminals, including Franz Stangl, commanding officer of Treblinka, Gustav Wagner, commanding officer of Sobibor, Alois Brunner, responsible of the Drancy internment camp near Paris and in charge of deportations in Slovakia to German concentration camps, and Adolf Eichmann [2] — a fact about which he was later unashamedly open. Some of these wanted men were being held in internment camps: generally without identity papers, they would be enrolled in camp registers under false names. Other Nazis were in hiding in Italy, and sought Hudal out as his role in assisting escapes became known on the Nazi grapevine [3]
In his memoirs Hudal said of his actions:I thank God that He [allowed me] to visit and comfort many victims in their prisons and concentration camps and to help them escape with false identity papers.
He explained that in his eyes:
"The Allies' War against Germany was not a crusade, but the rivalry of economic complexes for whose victory they had been fighting. This so-called business ... used catchwords like democracy, race, religious liberty and Christianity as a bait for the masses. All these experiences were the reason why I felt duty bound after 1945 to devote my whole charitable work mainly to former National Socialists and Fascists, especially to so-called 'war criminals'."
List of Nazis who escaped using ratlines
Famous Nazis war criminals such as Adolf Eichmann, Josef Mengele, Erich Priebke, Aribert Heim, Ante Pavelic "using papers allegedly provided by the Vatican, and disguised as a priest", found refuge in Latin America and the Middle East [23].
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Fort Worth doctor twice honored by the Texas House of Representatives as the "doctor of the day" is a registered sex offender convicted of an illicit relationship with a 17-year-old.
Dr. Nilon Tallant, 75, was introduced by lawmakers at the Capitol in 2006 and again in January of this year's legislative session, even though one legislator said he'd warned others about the physician's past sex offense after his first appearance .
"I don't think anybody that's a convicted sex offender should have a medical license in Texas. Period," said Republican Rep. Phil King, who introduced Tallant in the House chamber in April 2006. Tallant now lives in King's district, but King said he doesn't know Tallant well.
King said he found out "through the grapevine" after Tallant's first appearance in the House chamber that the doctor was a sex offender. He said he passed that information on to the House speaker's office and the medical association that screens doctors for the duty.
Tallant used to practice medicine in the San Marcos area, which is where the conviction occurred. He did not answer a call placed by The Associated Press to his home phone listing.
Texas Medical Board records state that in late 1995 Tallant began "an improper sexual relationship" with a female patient for whom he had once prescribed medication and he pleaded guilty in 1997 to sexual performance by a child. He was placed on probation for 10 years and fined $1,000, according to board records.
His medical license was revoked, but was reinstated in 2001, records show.
The Texas Academy of Family Physicians screens doctors for the volunteer doctor of the day program. The physicians are available at the Capitol to assist legislators, their staff members and the public with medical needs.
Academy spokesman Tom Banning says the doctor of the day averages 30 to 35 patient visits at the Capitol.
The academy issued a statement Friday saying it regrets that Tallant was selected as a participating doctor and that its executive director cannot recall a similar situation involving the program.
"Like our patients, we rely on information at the medical board to help determine eligibility of physicians to participate in the Physician of the Day program. Unfortunately it is now clear there are holes in the information provided on the Texas Medical Board Web site," the statement said.
Tallant was again doctor of the day this year and was introduced by Rep. Leo Berman, a Tyler Republican, because King wasn't available, Berman said.
"I introduced the doctor — never seen him before in my life," Berman recalled. "The speaker yelled down, 'Leo, could you introduce the doctor of the day so we can get started?' "
Berman said it's "horrendous" that Tallant was allowed to be the doctor for the day and that he believes there should be tougher screening of the doctors and of clergy members who appear to present the prayer each day at the Legislature.
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What makes Dr. Tallant's relationship 'illicit' was that she was a patient of his. Otherwise, the age of 17 is the 'age of sexual consent' in Texas. I guess had it not been, he would have been charged with statutory rape.
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The age of consent in Texas is 17 - only if you are having relations within somebody within 2 years of your own age.
Dr. Tallant was indicted on 19 counts of sexual performance by a child in 1996, according to Hays County court records. He pleaded guilty to a second degree felony, and was placed on probation for 10 years. (Why that warrants only probation time is beyond me.)
His license was revoked for four years, but then reinstated.
This case highlights a systemic problem with the Medical Board in Texas, which is that they issue licenses without doing a criminal background check. Instead, they rely on doctors to "self-report" criminal convictions. Tallant did not report his criminal record to the board for the last 3 years.
Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney, who rails against the "cesspool" of pornography, is being criticized by social conservatives who argue that he should have tried to halt hardcore hotel movie offerings during his near-decade on the Marriott board.
Two anti-pornography crusaders, as well as two conservative activists of the type Romney is courting, say the distribution of such graphic adult movies runs counter to the family image cultivated by Romney, the Marriotts and their shared Mormon faith.
"Marriott is a major pornographer. And even though he may have fought it, everyone on that board is a hypocrite for presenting themselves as family values when their hotels offer 70 different types of hardcore pornography," said Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values, an anti-pornography group based on Ohio.
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, a leading conservative group in Washington, said: "They have to assume some responsibility. It's their hotels, it's their television sets."
Wait, so you're saying that Romney is a hypocrite? Noooooooo.
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REPUBLICAN SENATOR David Vitter said he committed a serious sin. Didn't he also commit a crime? Why isn't he prosecuted like Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Did Vitter use a condom? Did he have an Aids test to determine if he infected other people? We have a right to know since he wants to have the government in our bedrooms. Hey, these are HIS RULES. So what's up with this Sh**?
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Senator's Number on Escort Service List DOUGLASS K. DANIEL | July 9, 2007 11:59 PM EST | AP WASHINGTON — Sen. David Vitter, R-La., apologized Monday night for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam."
Vitter's spokesman, Joel Digrado, confirmed the statement in an e-mail sent to The Associated Press.
"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in the statement. "Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there _ with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way."
The statement containing Vitter's apology said his telephone number was on old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates before he ran for the Senate.
Deborah Jeane Palfrey was accused in federal court of racketeering by running a prostitution ring that netted more than $2 million over 13 years, beginning in 1993. She contends, however, that her escort service, Pamela Martin and Associates, was a legitimate business.
Vitter, 46, a Republican in his first Senate term, was elected to the Senate in 2004. He represented Louisiana's 1st Congressional District in the House from 1999 to 2004.
Vitter and his wife, Wendy, live in Metairie, La., with their four children.
Palfrey's attorney, Montgomery Blair Sibley, told the AP, "I'm stunned that someone would be apologizing for this." He said Palfrey had posted the phone numbers of her escort service's clients online Monday, but he did not know whether Vitter's number was among them. Vitter's statement was sent to the AP's New Orleans bureau Monday evening.
Palfrey's Web site contains 20 compressed files of phone records, dating from August 1994 to August 2006. No names are listed, only phone numbers. Palfrey wrote on the Web site that she believed a disk containing the records had been pirated, and wrote that she was posting the records "to thwart any possible distorted version and to ensure the integrity of the information."
Silas Lee, a political analyst and pollster in New Orleans, spoke Monday about the possible political impact on Vitter.
"In the short term, I think the issue will dominate the discourse for a few days and weeks, and though he's up for re-election in 2010, it should dissipate by then," Lee told WWL-TV in New Orleans.
"But for some of his very conservative constituents, it might not be as easy. In their mind and eyes, they may not be able to forgive. The majority may overlook it in time depending on his job performance and how sincere voters believe he wants them to forgive him."
Earlier this year Palfrey, 51, of Vallejo, Calif., asked the Supreme Court to delay the criminal case against her _ a request the court denied in May. Her attorney had argued that it was unfair to proceed against Palfrey because her assets remain seized in a civil forfeiture case, meaning she lacks the money to hire an attorney of her choice.
Randall Tobias, a senior official in the State Department, resigned in April after ABC News confronted him about his use of the escort service. He admitted that he had hired women to come to his Washington condo and give him massages but denied that he had sex with the escorts.
Palfrey threatened for months to release her client list, which led prosecutors to accuse her of trying to intimidate potential witnesses.
Contending that her escort service was legal, Palfrey revealed details of its operation on ABC's news magazine "20/20" on May 4. At the time, ABC said it could not link any information provided by Palfrey to members of Congress or White House officials but did find links to prominent business executives, NASA officials and at least five military officers.
Prosecutors contend that Palfrey knew the 130 women she employed over 13 years were engaged in prostitution. She claims that she operated a "legal, high-end erotic fantasy service" and that the women signed contracts in which they promised not to have sex with clients. The service charged a flat rate of $275 for 90 minutes, she said.
Palfrey pleaded guilty to pimping charges in 1991 and was sentenced to 18 months in a California prison.
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In the fall of 1998, David Vitter felt compelled to weigh in on the national debate over the possible impeachment of President Bill Clinton for lying about sex. Vitter was not yet a member of Congress; he was a Republican state representative. And in an October 29, 1998, opinion piece for the New Orleans Times-Picayune, Vitter took issue with a previous article, written by two law professors who had argued that impeachment "is a process of removing a president from office who can no longer effectively govern; it is not about punishment." Given that Clinton was still a capable chief executive, they had maintained, impeachment was not in order.
Vitter, a graduate of Harvard University and Tulane law school and a Rhodes scholar, was aghast at this amoral position. He blasted the law professors for criticizing those congressional Republicans pushing for Clinton's impeachment. Their argument that impeachment is "not primarily about right and wrong or moral fitness to govern," he wrote, was utterly wrongheaded. He continued:
Some current polls may suggest that people are turned off by the whole Clinton mess and don't care -- because the stock market is good, the Clinton spin machine is even better or other reasons. But that doesn't answer the question of whether President Clinton should be impeached and removed from office because he is morally unfit to govern.
The writings of the Founding Fathers are very instructive on this issue. They are not cast in terms of political effectiveness at all but in terms of right and wrong -- moral fitness. Hamilton writes in the Federalists Papers (No. 65) that impeachable offenses are those that "proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust."
In considering impeachment, Vitter asserted, Congress had to judge Clinton on moral terms. Decrying the law professors' failure to see this, Vitter observed, "Is that the level of moral relatively [sic] and vacuousness we have come to?" If no "meaningful action" were to be taken against Clinton, Vitter wrote, "his leadership will only further drain any sense of values left to our political culture."
Strong words. Now that Vitter, who entered the House of Representatives in 1999 after winning a special election to fill the seat of Representative Bob Livingston (who resigned after being caught in an adultery scandal) and who was elected senator in 2004, has admitted he placed a phone call to the so-called DC Madam, his constituents can only wonder if he will hold himself to the same standards he sought to apply to Bill Clinton.
Vitter, who is married with four children, has been a vigorous advocate of family values, championing abstinence-only programs and calling for a ban on gay marriage. In a statement his office rushed out on Monday night--before he could be outed by Hustler magazine--Vitter said he had committed a "serious sin" and claimed that "several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling." I seem to recall that Bill Clinton took a similar stance after he acknowledged his affair with Monica Lewinsky. That, though, did not prevent Vitter from calling for Clinton's forcible removal from office.
Perhaps Vitter ought to revisit the issue of whether the absence of moral fitness is a firing offense for a public official.
Family Values sex addict, Vitter, pops up in New Orleans!
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Madam: Vitter a client at Canal Street brothel Times-Picayune July 10, 2007 6:04PM Bryan S. Berteaux / Times-PicayuneJeanette Maier, 47, ran a Canal Street brothel where she said Sen. David Vitter was a client.
By Kate Moran and Martha Carr The Times-Picayune
U.S. Senator David Vitter visited a Canal Street brothel several times beginning in the mid-1990s, paying $300 per hour for services at the bordello after he met the madam at a fishing rodeo that included prostitutes and other politicians, according to Jeanette Maier, the "Canal Street Madam" whose operation was shut down by a federal investigators in 2001.
After they met, Maier said Vitter became a customer at the Mid-City brothel. He made several visits, she said, but had stopped coming before federal agents raided the brothel.
Maier's attorney, Vinny Mosca, upon learning of his client's allegation on Tuesday, said he had never known Vitter to visit the brothel or heard Maier mention his name.
"Through all my association representing Jeanette in the case, his (Vitter's) name never came up. It's not on the list. He was not caught on the wiretaps. That doesn't mean he wasn't (at the brothel), but in all this time I never knew him to be. To my knowledge he didn't go to the brothel." Mosca said.
Beyond her assertion in an interview Tuesday afternoon that Vitter was an occasional customer, Maier offered no evidence or documents to support her claim.
In 1999, Vitter was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. On Monday, Vitter apologized after it was revealed his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service in Washington D.C. operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam." In an e-mail Monday night, Vitter apologized for a "very serious sin in my past."
At the New Orleans brothel, Maier said Vitter spent time with several women, but preferred one in particular named Wendy. She said all the girls that were with Vitter described him as a kind, respectful man, who did not talk down to them or use drugs.
"I'm not out to ruin a marriage, I'm out to save a man," Maier said. "I want his wife to know he's a good man, I want his children to know he's a good father. If he had sex out of wedlock, so what? At least he stayed with his children."
Vitter and his wife, Wendy, have four children ages 13 and under.
Most of the brothel's clients have never been publicly named. Maier also is writing a book, but had not planned to name Vitter in the book because "I didn't want to put anyone I respected in the book."
After federal agents shut down the brothel, Maier ultimately took a plea deal and still lives in the New Orleans area.
Maier said she believes Vitter is doing a lot to help the state and that voters should keep him in office.
Vitter's office did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
Now here are some Republican family values...
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Asked whether she could forgive her husband after an extramarital affair, as Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune : "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary [Clinton]. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."
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Yet another Right Winger implicated in a sex scandal. When will it stop? Not only a sex scandal but he's also a key staffer for McCain. I think McCain's career is over.
And in another setback, Florida campaign co-chair and state Rep. Bob Allen was arrested Wednesday after offering to perform oral sex for $20 on an undercover male police officer.
In Iowa, Ed Failor Jr., said Thursday that he and Karen Slifka plan to notify McCain of their resignations by letter. Both are GOP operatives with deep ties in Iowa, which holds the first-in-the-nation caucuses, and national politics. sponsor
"As much as I like Senator McCain, it's not a team I'm willing to stay involved with any longer," Failor said.
TITUSVILLE - State Rep. Bob Allen was arrested Wednesday after offering to perform oral sex for $20 on an undercover male police officer , authorities said.
Veteran's Memorial Park was under surveillance when Allen, R-Merritt Island, was seen coming in and out of a restroom three times. Allen, 48, then approached an undercover officer and was arrested. Florida State Rep. Bob Allen, R-Merritt, Island is surrounded by media as he walks out of the Brevard County Jail, Wednesday, July 11, 2007, in Sharpes, Fla. (AP Photo/Florida News Service, George Bortle)
Florida State Rep. Bob Allen, R-Merritt, Island is surrounded by media as he walks out of the Brevard County Jail, Wednesday, July 11, 2007, in Sharpes, Fla.
He has been charged with solicitation for prostitution, which has a maximum penalty of one year in jail. Brevard County jail officials said Allen posted a $500 bond.
An e-mail sent to Allen and telephone messages left by The Associated Press on his cell phone and at his office were not immediately returned. It was not known if he had an attorney.
While being transported to jail, Allen told WFTV Channel 9 that the situation was "a very big misunderstanding."
Allen, a married father of one, was elected to the Florida House in 2000. He was chairman of the House Committee on Energy.
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