Klaus, sorry but if we can't even stop Terrorism on this board, what makes you think we can just ignore it worldwide? Just like any " War", we can all sleep in our bed safely when all bad in the world has stopped.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Vietnamizing Iraq just got a shot of declassified adrenaline. The secrecy party must've blinked.
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Civilian Killings Went Unpunished Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai. By Nick Turse and Deborah Nelson, Special to The Times August 6, 2006
The men of B Company were in a dangerous state of mind. They had lost five men in a firefight the day before. The morning of Feb. 8, 1968, brought unwelcome orders to resume their sweep of the countryside, a green patchwork of rice paddies along Vietnam's central coast.
They met no resistance as they entered a nondescript settlement in Quang Nam province. So Jamie Henry, a 20-year-old medic, set his rifle down in a hut, unfastened his bandoliers and lighted a cigarette.
Just then, the voice of a lieutenant crackled across the radio. He reported that he had rounded up 19 civilians, and wanted to know what to do with them. Henry later recalled the company commander's response:Kill anything that moves.
Henry stepped outside the hut and saw a small crowd of women and children. Then the shooting began.
Moments later, the 19 villagers lay dead or dying.
Back home in California, Henry published an account of the slaughter and held a news conference to air his allegations. Yet he and other Vietnam veterans who spoke out about war crimes were branded traitors and fabricators. No one was ever prosecuted for the massacre.
Now, nearly 40 years later, declassified Army files show that Henry was telling the truth — about the Feb. 8 killings and a series of other atrocities by the men of B Company.
The files are part of a once-secret archive, assembled by a Pentagon task force in the early 1970s, that shows that confirmed atrocities by U.S. forces in Vietnam were more extensive than was previously known.
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
Originally posted by #!*@: Absolutely, 'wake me when the "War" is over'! Meanwhile, what is this 'terrorism' *on this board* that you think needs stopped? I think this 'Con Text'of your's could qualify... By all means, keep up your "War"... until all good in the world has stopped...
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! They are coming for you. All the pot smokers of the world are coming for you. They are going to tickle you and make you take some bong hits. Don't ask me about the terrorism here, ask Bill about the terrorism that he see here. Oh yeah you bleeding heart liberal.
All I can conclude with is:
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From a distance, there is harmony Nothing , And it echoes through the land. It's the voice of hope nada , it's the voice of peace nadie , It's the voice of every no man.
From a distance we all have not enough, And noeveryone is in need. And there are no guns safety , no bombs schools , and no disease babies , NoAll hungry mouths to feed.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
If you stop responding to GGod, she'll tire of it and go away. As long as she gets a response, she still feels as though she can still get into heaven.
They used to go out on the street and sing songs, wearing plackards saying, "THE END IS NEAR!"
Just respond to the others in this thread and ignore GGOD. God will be happier for it.
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! They are coming for you. All the pot smokers of the world are coming for you. They are going to tickle you and make you take some bong hits. Don't ask me about the terrorism here, ask Bill about the terrorism that he see here. Oh yeah you bleeding heart liberal.
Sorry Ron, I'm not all that scared of pot smokers but it sounds as though you are having a paranoid fantasy though. Perhaps you should get that checked.
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! They are coming for you. All the pot smokers of the world are coming for you. They are going to tickle you and make you take some bong hits.
Hey! Where do I line up for this party?
Posts: 1807 | Location: West Michigan | Registered: 23 June 2005
Yes, PeeWee just enlist for any of the current or past wars (i.e. drugs, poverty, homelessness, hunger, wide bad ties(they were even worse than the narrow ties)...).
And yes Art. We have already talked about this in detail. I am not eligible except for the war on bad ties. Have you joined? But I will volunteer to fight the good war against those politicians that do not have democratic Family Values.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Bush's administration of family values: Claude A. Allen, Lester Crawford, and David Safavian.
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The Essence of Lying is in Deception, Not Words by Christopher Brauchli August 6, 2006 CommonDreams.org
The essence of lying is in deception, not words. -- John Ruskin, Modern Painters
It’s time for a brief update on the unfortunate encounters with the justice system that three of Mr. Bush’s appointees have enjoyed. My favorite (and each reader will have his or her own) is Claude A. Allen who was not only creative but unique. The others, modeling themselves on their president, were simply liars.
Mr. Allen was one of George Bush’s top policy advisors. In addition to giving Mr. Bush important policy advice, for which he was paid $161,000, Mr. Allen supplemented his income by working at Target Stores. He was not your typical Target employee. His employment consisted of going into a Target store and buying and paying for a whole lot of stuff. He would then put the stuff in his car and return to the store with the receipt and pick up some more of exactly the same stuff he had just put in his car. He’d take that stuff to the cashier and, displaying the receipt, get a refund. To people of integrity that seems like a bad thing to do. To an official in the Bush White House it was nothing more than a simple and creative way of supplementing his income.
Mr. Allen was not an extravagant sort and nothing was so small as to be beneath his dignity. According to police records in addition to scamming a $525 Bose theater system, he took items costing little as $2.50. Explaining to the Bush White House what he did, (a White House that is far more interested in the plausibility of explanations than integrity as it repeatedly demonstrates when explaining Mr. Bush’s lies) he said it was a credit card mix—up. The explanation, though creative, did not fool the prosecutors who charged him with theft and theft schemes. It apparently did not fool the White House either since Mr. Allen no longer works there. And it apparently did not fool Mr. Allen either. On June 30 it was announced that his trial on the criminal charges was being postponed while a disposition was being worked out.
When Mr. Bush learned that this was not just a credit card problem he said it would be “deeply disappointing” if Mr. Allen had misled him. (He knows about being disappointment since that’s how many in America feel about his lying to them about the reasons for the Iraq war. Lying is not offensive-getting caught out is.) Mr. Allen faces possible prison terms of more than 15 years.
Mr. Allen should not feel that he has disgraced the Bush administration by his actions. He is in good company. One of his companion is Lester Crawford, a veterinarian who was chosen by Mr. Bush to head the Food and Drug Administration.
Dr. Crawford was the F.D.A. commissioner for slightly more than a year. His most lasting legacy, (in addition to serving as yet another example of the fact that lack of integrity is no bar to working in the Bush administration) was overruling an advisory panel of scientists who said that the emergency contraceptive pills known as Plan B should be sold over the counter. He said further study was needed. In April 2006 he resigned saying it was time for a new leader for the F.D.A. He was right but not for the reasons he thought.
Shortly after he resigned it was disclosed that he was being investigated for financial improprieties and making false statements to Congress. He was called to testify before a Grand Jury at which his lawyer said he would invoke his 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination. As of this writing he has not been indicted and perhaps he won’t be, in which case this part of the column should be ignored. Less ambiguous is the case of David Safavian. He has been convicted and awaits sentencing. His criminal conduct is somewhat more honorable than that of Messrs. Allen and Crawford since it did not involve financial improprieties that directly lined his pockets although there were some financial fringe benefits.
Mr. Safavian served as chief of staff of the General Services Administration and then as head of procurement policy at the Office of Management and Budget, a position from which he resigned on September 16, 2005. That did not take him out of the limelight. He was arrested two days after his resignation and charged with lying to investigators and obstructing a federal inquiry. In June he was convicted of lying to government investigators and obstructing justice in connection with his relationship with Jack Abramoff, another convicted former good friend of the Bush administration.
None of the men named above feels responsible for bringing disgrace and dishonor to the Bush administration. They are nothing more than bit players in the tragedy in which Messrs. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have the leading roles.
Remembrance of the Fascists may give rise to dangerous insights... Herbert Marcuse
Posts: 3909 | Location: California, Bay Area | Registered: 31 October 2004
If you stop responding to GGod, she'll tire of it and go away. As long as she gets a response, she still feels as though she can still get into heaven.
GG is a she? Dang, we got our own Anne Coulter hanging out here to beat up on! Now it's all beginning to make sense. All those stupid posts she made designed to 'scare" me into a lockstep position with the republican party.
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Are you smear campaigning like the Kerrys and Murthas against our American troops?
GG, you haven't earned the right to badmouth Kerry or Murtha. You are all mouth and no action, exactly the type of chickenhawk that makes up the vast majority of the republican officials.
I'm sorry this world hasn't turned out to be the pristine utopia you and your ilk envisioned, but it takes all kinds and I'm afraid you and those like you are entering dark times now. You started the war, now we will end it and brush you aside.
You had your chance, you blew it.
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
You started the war, now we will end it and brush you aside.
Yes, let's watch what happens in Connecticut today. Can you explain what has happened with Senator Joe Lieberman and the lack of Dems backing their own?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Civilian Killings Went Unpunished Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai. By Nick Turse and Deborah Nelson, Special to The Times August 6, 2006
The men of B Company were in a dangerous state of mind. They had lost five men in a firefight the day before. The morning of Feb. 8, 1968, brought unwelcome orders to resume their sweep of the countryside, a green patchwork of rice paddies along Vietnam's central coast.
They met no resistance as they entered a nondescript settlement in Quang Nam province. So Jamie Henry, a 20-year-old medic, set his rifle down in a hut, unfastened his bandoliers and lighted a cigarette.
ADVERTISEMENT Just then, the voice of a lieutenant crackled across the radio. He reported that he had rounded up 19 civilians, and wanted to know what to do with them. Henry later recalled the company commander's response:
Kill anything that moves.
Henry stepped outside the hut and saw a small crowd of women and children. Then the shooting began.
Moments later, the 19 villagers lay dead or dying.
Back home in California, Henry published an account of the slaughter and held a news conference to air his allegations. Yet he and other Vietnam veterans who spoke out about war crimes were branded traitors and fabricators. No one was ever prosecuted for the massacre.
Now, nearly 40 years later, declassified Army files show that Henry was telling the truth — about the Feb. 8 killings and a series of other atrocities by the men of B Company.
There's more on the link, for me anyhow, Kind of stuff Kerry testified about 35 years ago, and when you testify you swear on a 'Bible' to tell the truth. But truth is against your country, or is it against your party, or is it against your beliefs? Take your pick, but as Mark Twain said upon reflection of G.Washington's quote "I cannot tell a lie", Twain said "I can but I won't" [or don't]The Independant just ran a story that an Afghan just happened to snap 20 photos of a slaughter of unarmed civilians shot from a patrolling humvee. But the Independent is UK, and the humvee was US, so no one's undermining the gallantry of the slaughter, and fox will be right on it I'm sure.
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
If you believe for a nano-second that we have a ghost of a chance of losing the war on terror, then you are remarkably stupid!
Iran Issues Atomic Warning By Christian Oliver and Shizuo Kanbayashi The Scotsman
"As tens of thousands of people gathered at Hiroshima in Japan to mark the 61st anniversary of the day an atomic bomb created "hell on Earth", Iran yesterday rejected a United Nations resolution calling for Tehran to halt its nuclear programme.
Iran said it would expand its efforts to develop nuclear power, which the United States and Europe fear is aimed at making a bomb, and warned that any UN sanctions aimed at halting its uranium enrichment would bring a "painful" response, possibly including a cut in oil exports."
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Yes, let's watch what happens in Connecticut today. Can you explain what has happened with Senator Joe Lieberman and the lack of Dems backing their own?
Can I? Of course I can!
Joe Lieberman voted to go to war and his voters didn't agree with it. Do you have another theory? Now wait and see what happens to the republican party.
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
Bill, you do realize you’re having a conversation with Lucifer, don’t you? Or, at least, a minion of his? Yes, Beelzebub does enjoy a good bully (Coulter), darkness of thought (“…Los Angeles Times, I did not go any further” – this could also be called ‘willful ignorance’), and he is always using obfuscation (“Are you smear campaigning…”) to try to redirect.
Hhmm…well, she’s just a low-level minion, unawares she does the demon’s work, really.
“Out, out damn spot!” – Lady Macbeth
------------------------------ "In a big country dreams stay with you like a lover's voice across the mountainside" - Big Country
Posts: 872 | Location: Western edge of the continent | Registered: 04 October 2003
she’s just a low-level minion, unawares she does the demon’s work, really.
Well, whatever she is, she comes across far to vitriolic for someone with a sub-par IQ.
Very Coulterish!
Good to see you Mark, hope all is well with you.
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
Joe Lieberman voted to go to war and his voters didn't agree with it. Do you have another theory? Now wait and see what happens to the republican party.
Now we have discovered that the Dems do not allow not being in 'lock step', does not allow any independent thinking within their party. Take a look at what Hillary is trying to run on to obscure her position of supporting the war.
The hyjacked party, the "I hate Bush so much crowd" has got some real problems because they fail to recognize the real threat of our time "TERRORISM". Its cut, run, and raise the white UN flag posture will be their demise. Wanting to bring our troops home before the job is done is a great mistake.
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Very Coulterish!
Ann Coulter is an amazing lady, and she has done her home work in her latest book. Have you read it?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
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