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Oh, now I know what your problem is KulaKKK! You're in the wrong thread! You're looking for that other thread entitle, "There Are No Criminals in The Democratic Party." I don't think you will find that thread on this board. This thread is entitled "Republican Family Values." It would be a face saving precaution if you read the thread you're in before responding to it and arguing a position not held by anyone in this discussion.

I know you don't take the time to read the thread's thesis but instead start throwing out Republican talking points without regard to the actual content of the discussion. Let me explain what this thread is about so you won't look foolish counter arguing a position that no one is holding. "Republican Family Values" is about the holier than thou campaigning strategy during the Reagan era in which the Republicans claimed to be the representatives of the "moral majority" and the party best exampling Christian values. They claimed that the Democratic party was the opposite using Studds as one example implying they were the better political choice. But as you can see in the previous 111 examples the Republican party is even worst. In the other thread entitled , Crimes Committed Against Women and Children in Fundamentalist Churches there are about 125 cases in which the Christian moral majority--many of them in the dual role of being Christians and Republican politicians--demonstrate that they suffer the same crimes and tragedies (like mental illness) as the rest of the populations if not worst.


Remembrance of the Fascists may give rise to dangerous insights...
Herbert Marcuse
 
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Originally posted by Kulak:
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And where is Foley?


Excellent question Ronald!!



Gerry Eastman Studds democrat Massachusetts, He was the first openly gay national politician in the U.S. In 1983, he admitted to having had an affair with a 17-year-old page in 1973 and was censured by the House of Representatives.

Studds defended his sexual relationship with the minor as a "consensual relationship with a young adult." Dean Hara, whom Studds married in 2004, said after Studds' death in 2006 that Studds had never been ashamed of the relationship with the page. "This young man knew what he was doing,"

Studds was re-elected to the House six more times after the 1983 censure.

Thanks!
Carry on...
 
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But the most current scandals involving the Republican Christian family values crowd has to do with Jack Abramoff. See the list below--also, I threw in a few sexual scandals not listed in the thread above. Just when you think you heard t all....
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STATE BY STATE GOP SCANDAL SCORECARD

Alabama
Investigation: Sen. Richard Shelby
Disposition: received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Gov. Robert Riley
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.
Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff
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Alaska
Investigation: Senate President Ben Stevens (son of US Senate Pro Tem President Ted Stevens)
Disposition: Probed for accepting consulting fees from oil services firm Veco. Subject to a recall petition.

Investigation: Sen. Ted Stevens
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.
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Arkansas
Investigation: Arkansas Republican Party
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

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Arizona
Investigation: Rep. J. D. Hayworth
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.
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California
Investigation: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
Disposition: Ethics probe for accepting salary from two men’s fitness magazines while governor, possible kickback from American Media publisher to Schwarzenegger charity and silence money to a woman who had an extramarital affair with Schwarzenegger. This probe may go criminal.

Investigation: Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham
Disposition: Probed for bribery regarding financial ties with and favors for defense firm MZM

Investigation: Rep. Dana Rohrabacher
Disposition: Tied to Abramoff scandal on loan papers. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Doug Ose
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.

Investigation: Rep. Richard Pombo
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.

Investigation: Rep. John Doolittle
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.

Investigation: Rep. Ed Royce
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.

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Colorado
Investigation: Colorado Republican Party
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

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Connecticut
Investigation: Gov. John Rowland
Disposition: Convicted, imprisoned 2004

Investigation: Rep. Rob Simmons
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

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Delaware
Investigation: Attorney General Jane Brady
Disposition: Accused of helping MBNA Bank of Wilmington skirt campaign finance laws.
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Washington DC
Investigation: Jack Abramoff, GOP lobbyist
Disposition: Indicted, wire fraud, conspiracy

Investigation: Adam Kidan, DC Dial-a-Mattress franchise in DC and Abramoff associate
Disposition: Indicted, wire fraud, conspiracy

Investigation: Michael Scanlon, former chief of staff to Tom DeLay
Disposition: Being probed for involvement in Indian casino scandal with Abramoff, Kidan, and DeLay

Investigation: Steve Rosen, American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
Disposition: Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information

Investigation: Keith Weismann, AIPAC
Disposition: Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information

Investigation: Larry Franklin, Colonel, USAF Reserves, Dept. of Defense
Disposition: Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information

Investigation: Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Vice President;s Chief of Staff
Disposition: Probed for illegal disclosure of CIA classified information

Investigation: White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove
Disposition: Probed for illegal disclosure of CIA classified information

Investigation: David Safavian, Chief of Procurement Policy, Office of Management and Budget
Disposition: Arrested, Safavian is charged with making false statements to a General Services Administration ethics officer and the GSA inspector general's office. Safavian served as chief of staff at GSA before moving to OMB. Arrested Sept 19 2005 on charges of lying to investigators and obstructing a federal inquiry involving Jack Abramof

Investigation: Timothy E. Flanigan, Flanigan was nominated in May 2005, to be the No. 2 official at the Justice Department - Gonzales' top deputy. But the nomination has been held up over questions about his connection to Abramoff. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-532... >LINK

Investigation: John Hannah, a key aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and one of the architects of the Iraq war,
Disposition: cooperating with Fitzgerald after being told that he was identified by witnesses as a co-conspirator in the leak. Sources said Hannah was not given immunity, but was likely offered a “deal” in exchange for information that could result in indictments of key White House officials. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Second_Cheney_aide_cooper... >LINK

Investigation: a second Cheney aide, David Wurmser, has agreed to provide the prosecution with evidence that the leak was a coordinated effort by Cheney’s office to discredit the agent's husband. Her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, was one of the most vocal critics of the Iraq war. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Second_Cheney_aide_cooper... >LINK


John Bolton: Corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department despite inquires posed by Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt concerning the allegations. http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/larry_flynt_bolton... >LINK


Investigation: Donald Rumsfeld (R-Defense Secretary)
Disposition: authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate >Report 1, http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abugh... >Full Report
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Florida
Investigation: Rep. Katherine Harris, US Senate candidate
Disposition: Probed for campaign donations from MZM, Inc. (related to Duke Cunningham probe)

Investigation: Rep. Tom Feeney
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff. Probed for corporate ties to Yang Enterprises, involved in over billing state of Florida. Feeney was Jeb Bush’s 1994 running mate for Lt. Gov.

Investigation: Rep. Ric Keller
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. John Isakson
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff and Kidan.

Investigation: Miami City Commissioner Arthur Teele
Disposition: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12241082.htm >indicted on 26 counts of fraud and money laundering (suicide)

Investigation: Brian H. Darling, 39, legal counsel to Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) and former lobbyist for the Alexander Strategy admitted yesterday that he was the author of a memo citing the political advantage to Republicans of intervening in the case of Terri Schiavo, the senator said in an interview last night.
Disposition: offered his resignation and it was immediately accepted. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32554-20... >LINK

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Georgia
Investigation: Ralph Reed, candidate for Lt. Gov.
Disposition: Probed for involvement in Abramoff, Kidan, DeLay Indian casino money laundering.

Investigation: Sen. John Isakson
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. Saxby Chambliss
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Phil Gingrey
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Jack Kingston
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Richard Leonard, former manager of Linda Schrenko Campaign
Disposition: Pleads guilty on attempted witness tamering http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/gan/press/12-21-04.html >LINK

Investigation: Linda Schrenko, Georgia School Superintendent
Disposition: indicted on federal charges of stealing taxpayer money
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1104/11schrenko.h... >LINK http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/11/edi04086.html >LINK

Investigation: Governor Sonny Perdue
Disposition: Fined for Ethics Violations, the first time a sitting governor has ever been fined since the commission was created in the 1970s. http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=6... >LINK

Investigation: state Rep. David Graves of Macon
Disposition: will drop his legal claim that his status as a legislator should shield him from DUI charges. http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/12788935.htm >LINK
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Guam
Investigation: Gov. Felix Camacho
Disposition: Probed for ties to Abramoff and demoting Acting US Attorney for Guam Frederick Black
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Hawaii
Investigation: New Hawaii PAC and House GOP PAC
Disposition: Campaign violations filed against a number of GOP candidates for the state legislature and US House for skirting spending limits.

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Idaho
Investigation: Rep. Michael Simpson
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Butch Otter
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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Illinois
Investigation Target: House Speaker Dennis Hastert
Disposition: Probed for accepting money from Turkey.

Investigation Target: former Illinois Gov. George Ryan.
Disposition: Indicted. Trial pending. Charges for handing out state contracts to friends and backers in return for campaign contributions, trips and gifts

Investigation Target: Rep. Jerry Weller
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff (Weller is married to the daughter of Guatemalan dictator and mass murderer <300,0000 Guatemalans> Efrain Rios Montt).

Investigation: Republican National Treasurer Bob Kjellander
Disposition: Under Federal probe for steering investment contracts to Illinois Teachers Retirement Fund.

Investigation: Michael Tristano, chief of staff to State Rep. Lee A. Daniels, when Daniels served as House Republican Leader and Minority Leader in the state House ofRepresentatives -
Disposition: Indicted for diverting state employees to campaign work http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2005/pr0519_01... >LINK

Investigation: Scott Fawell, Gov Ryan's top aide, campaign manager and former secretary of state during much of the 1990s.
Disposition: Convicted of racketeering in 2003 in connection with his work for Ryan, Fawell was sentenced to 6 1/2 years. Fawell later agreed to help the government at the request of his indicted fiancee, Andrea Coutretsis.
http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/05/10/12/d.asp >LINK http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/georyan12.html >LINK

Investigation: Andrea Coutretsis
Disposition: Coutretsis, a Fawell assistant who later developed a relationship with him, has pleaded guilty in two separate corruption cases and awaits sentencing. http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/05/10/12/d.asp >LINK

Investigation: Larry Warner, lobbyist, co-defendent with Gov Ryan ........Prosecutors say Ryan steered state contracts and leases to a select group of friends, including his co-defendant in the case, lobbyist Larry Warner, and received subtle kickbacks that included gifts, vacations and other benefits. Some criminal charges against Ryan stem from his 1999-2003 term as governor. http://www.sj-r.com/sections/news/stories/68609.asp >LINK http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/05/10/12/d.asp >LINK

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Indiana
Investigation: Rep. Dan Burton
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Gov. Mitch Daniels
Disposition: Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation contracts)

Investigation: Thomas Sharp, INDOT Commissioner
Disposition: Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation contracts)

Investigation: Jim Kittle, GOP state chairman
Disposition: Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation contracts)

Investigation: Bradley R. Hiller, Ex-GOP insider
Disposition: pleaded guilty Wednesday to two felonies in connection with spending he could not account for while running the Senate Republicans' fundraising committee. Judge Stoner sentenced him to one year in prison. Initially, Hiller was charged with writing eight fraudulent checks to himself valued at $24,890.39, but he agreed to repay the committee $146,775 for expense checks he wrote to himself that could not be documented. http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2005... >LINK

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Iowa
Investigation: Sen. Charles Grassley
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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Kansas
Investigation: Rep. Jim Ryun
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. Sam Brownback
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Adam Taff
Disposition: 2004 congressional candidate (KS-3), indicted for campaign violations amnd wire fraud.
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Kentucky
Investigation: Gov. Ernie Fletcher
Disposition: Criminal probe in a state employees’ merit system scandal. Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff.

Investigation: Transportation Commissioner Dan Druen
Disposition: Merit system scandal, witness tampering. Indicted.

Investigation: Deputy Personnel Secretary Bob Wilson
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: GDarrell Brock, Chairman of Kentucky GOP
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Investigation: Gov. Personnel Adviser Basil Turbyfill
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: Transportation Secretary ill Nighbert
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: Dick Murgatroyd, Gov. Deputy Chief of Staff
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: Jim Adams, Deputy Transportation Secretary
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: Cory Meadows, Executive Director, Transportation Dept.
Disposition: Merit system scandal. Indicted

Investigation: Environmental Protection Commissioner Lloyd Cress
Disposition: Probed in merit system scandal

Investigation: Sen. Jim Bunning
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Lt. Gov. Stephen Pence
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

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Louisiana
Investigation: Sen. David Vitter
Disposition: Linked to Abramoff in a case involving a Louisiana Indian tribe.
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Maine
Investigation: Maine Republican Party
Disposition: Received contributions from DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

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Maryland
Investigation: Joseph Steffen, aide to Gov. Bob Ehrlich
Disposition: Resigned for starting a rumor campaign against Baltimore Mayor Martin O’Malley.

Investigation: Gov. Bob Ehrlich
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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Massachusetts
Investigation: Gov. Mitt Romney’s Executive Office of Environmental Affairs
Disposition: Under ethics cloud for awarding a $10,000 contract to conservative Boston Herald columnist to write columns supportive of Romney’s policies.

Investigation: Lawrence Novak, Atty, vice chairman state Republican Party
Disposition: Indicted, money-laundering charges accusing him of offering to ``cleanse'' drug proceeds for a legal client(Scott Holyoke).
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Michigan
Investigation: Rep. Dave Camp
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff
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Minnesota
Investigation: Rep. Gil Gutknecht
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff.
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Missouri
Investigation: Sen. Christopher Bond
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. Jim Talent
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Gov. Matt Blunt
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

Investigation: Ronnie Gene DeShon, 50, of Gallatin, Mo., superintendent of the Pattonsburg, Missouri R-II School District
Disposition: pleaded guilty in federal court today to embezzling more than $844,000 from the school district. The court released DeShon on his own recognizance. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2005/deshon.ple.pdf >LINK
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Mississippi
Investigation: Rep. Charles Pickering
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Roger Wicker
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. Thad Cochran
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
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Montana
Investigation: Sen. Conrad Burns
Disposition: Probed for links to Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Dennis Rehberg
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

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Nebraska
Investigation: Former Rep. Jon Christensen
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff
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Nevada
Investigation: Sen. John Ensign
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff

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New Hampshire
Investigation: Sen. John Sununu
Disposition: Probed for receipt of money from DeLay tainted PAC

Investigation: Rep. Jeb Bradley
Disposition: Probed for receipt of money from DeLay tainted PAC

Investigation: House Speaker Gene Chandler
Disposition: Campaign contributions violations

New Hampshire Republican Party
Despite a zero-tolerance policy on tampering with voters, the Republican Party has quietly paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to provide private defense lawyers for a former Bush campaign official charged with conspiring to keep Democrats from voting in New Hampshire. http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050811... >LINK See Tobin, Raymond, and McGee.

Investigation: James Tobin, a former Bush campaign official
Disposition: indicted on charges of orchestrating a low-tech version of a denial-of-service attack. http://news.com.com/Former+Bush+campaign+official+indic... >LINK

Investigation: Allen Raymond , Former GOP Consultant
Disposition: Va. Man Pleaded Guilty to Making Harassing Phone Calls to N.H. Democrats, sentenced to five months in prison. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9149-200... >LINK

Investigation: Chuck McGee, former executive director of the Republican state committee.
Disposition: indicted in Republican phone-jamming scheme
and been sentenced to seven months in federal prison. http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles... />LINK

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New Jersey
Investigation: GOP State Chairman Tim Wilson
Disposition: Probed for his firm receiving $2.7 million from the Burlington County Bridge Commission

Investigation: Rep. Jim Saxton
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Frank LoBiondo
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Mike Ferguson
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff
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New Mexico
Investigation: Rep. Heather Wilson
Disposition: Received of contributions from Abramoff
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New York
Investigation: Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro and US Senate candidate
Disposition: Probed for campaign donations from mobsters. Her husband served a year in prison for tax evasion.

Investigation: Russell Harding(R-former top Giuliani administration official)
Disposition: sentenced 62 months, embezzled $400,000 NYC revenue

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Northern Marianas
Investigation: Gov. Froilan Tenorio
Disposition: Grand Jury probe, ties to Abramoff
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North Carolina
Investigation: Rep. Charles Taylor
Disposition: Probed for ownership of shady Russian bank – whose other major investor is a former KGB general. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Hayes Martin, Taylor Campaign Treasurer
Disposition: Indicted, fraud and money laundering

Investigation: Rep. Walter Jones
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
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North Dakota
Investigation: Richard Clayburgh, House candidate
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff
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Ohio
Investigation: Gov. Bob Taft, Misuse of state funds/ethics violations
Disposition: Convicted, four first degree misdemeanors, pleaded no contest (admission of guilt). $4000 fine and public apology, two Federal Grand Juries, one state Grand Jury still investigating Taft.

Investigation: Thomas Noe, Bush-Cheney 04 campaign chair, NW Ohio; Turnpike Commissioner; University Regent
Disposition: Misuse of state funds for rare coin fund

Investigation: Bernadette Noe, Thomas Noe’s wife; chair Lucas County GOP; chair Lucas Co. Board of Elections
Disposition: Misuse of state funds

Investigation: Brian Hicks, Taft chief of staff, member Ohio University Board of Trustees
Disposition: Convicted

Investigation: Cherie Carroll, Taft Chief of Staff Executive Secretary
Disposition: Convicted

Investigation: Rep. Bob Ney
Disposition: Being probed for involvement with Abramoff, Kidan, and DeLay, Indian casino money laundering. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff and Kidan.

Investigation: Rep. Jean Schmidt
Disposition: Probe of financial ties to Games, Inc., and proposal to put Ohio State Lottery on the Internet. Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Ralph Regula
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
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Oklahoma
Investigation: Ernest Istook
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. James Inhofe
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. Tom Coburn
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
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Oregon
Investigation: Sen. Gordon Smith
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: state Rep. Dan Doyle, a Salem Republican, resigned after starting his third term in the Oregon House because of widening investigations into irregularities on his campaign finance reports.
Disposition: Doyle pleaded guilty to 11 felony counts of lying on his reports. He awaits a sentencing hearing set for Thursday. http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2005100... >LINK
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Pennsylvania
Investigation: Sen. Arlen Specter
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Curt Weldon
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Joe Pitts
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Michael Dructor‚ Republican candidate for North Wales Borough Mayor‚ Pennsylvania.
Disposition: accused of hitting and choking a woman at his Montgomery Township ...The woman accused Dructor of hitting her in the head‚ arms and waist‚ ripping her clothing off and choking her after an argument that began around midnight‚ according to the affidavit of probable cause filed in district court. http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1... >LINK
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Puerto Rico
Investigation: Puerto Rican New Progressive Party (GOP affiliate party)
Disposition: Paid Abramoff $400,000 for lobbying for 1998 statehood referendum

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Rhode Island
Investigation: Former House candidate (2002) Mike Battles
Disposition: Firm, Custer Battles, disbarred from Iraq contracts after allegations of over charging and money laundering

Investigation: Providence Mayor Vince Cianci
Disposition: Imprisoned in 2002 for 5 years.
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South Carolina
Investigation: Rep. Joe Wilson
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Gresham Barrett
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Henry Brown
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff
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South Dakota
Investigation: Sen. John Thune
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Bill Janklow
Disposition: Guilty, second degree manslaughter, imprisoned. Received contributions from Abramoff
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Tennessee
Investigation: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn
Disposition: 2 investigations by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York and the Securities and Exchange Commission into his stock sales.

Investigation: Rep. Van Hilleary
Disposition: Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Michael Hooks, Sr, chairman Shelby County Commission
Disposition: Indicted. Charged with taking more than $24,000 in bribes to help a company called E-Cycle Management - a sham company set up by the FBI - win business contracts with Shelby County government.(Tennessee Waltz corruption investigation. )

Investigation: state Rep. Chris Newton
Disposition: bribery and conspiracy

Investigation: Roscoe Dixon, a state senator
Disposition: public corruption
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Texas
Investigation: Rep. Tom DeLay, House Majority Leader
Disposition: INDICTED Twice, Money Laundering. Laundering conspiracy. Probed for campaign finance fraud, ties to Abramoff/Kidan, Saipan sweat shops. Grand Jury, Travis County prosecutor, and House Ethics Committee probing DeLay Received contributions from Abramoff.
Election law violation.

Investigation: Jim Ellis, Director Americans for a Republican Majority (ARMPAC) PAC tied to DeLay and Abramoff
Disposition: Indicted, 13 counts of unlawful acceptance of a corporate political contribution, money laundering charges stem from $190,000 in corporate funds that were sent to the Republican National Party

Investigation: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DELAY_MONEY_CARO... >Rep. Roy Blunt, Temporary House Majority Leader
Disposition: Money Laundering. Laundering conspiracy. Probed for campaign finance fraud, ties to Abramoff/Kidan, Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: John Colyandro, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), DeLay associate
Disposition: Indicted, 13 counts of unlawful acceptance of a corporate political contribution, money laundering charges stem from $190,000 in corporate funds that were sent to the Republican National Party

Contributing Companies to Delay's TRMPAC: http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-10-... >LINK
Questerra Corp., Va. 2 counts, illegal contribution ($50,000) Third-degree felony
Westar Energy, Kan. Illegal contribution ($25,000) Third-degree felony
Diversified Collection Services, Calif. Illegal contribution ($50,000) Third-degree felony
Sears, Roebuck, Ill. Illegal contribution ($25,000) Third-degree felony
The Williams Companies, Okla. Illegal contribution ($25,000) Third-degree felony
Bacardi U.S.A., Fla. Illegal contribution ($20,000) Third-degree felony
Cracker Barrel, Tenn. Illegal contribution ($25,000) Third-degree felony
Alliance for Quality Nursing Home Care Illegal contribution ($100,000) Third-degree felony

Investigation: House Speaker Tom Craddick
Disposition: Probed for campaign violations involving TRMPAC and DeLay

Investigation: Warren RoBold, Lobbyist and DeLay associate
Disposition: Indicted
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Utah
Investigation: Rep. Chris Cannon
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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Vermont
Investigation: Gov. Jim Douglas
Disposition: Opposition to universal health care in Vermont tied to huge contributions from insurance industry.
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Virginia
Investigation: Rep. Virgil Goode
Disposition: Probed for contributions from MZM, Inc.
(related to Duke Cunningham probe)

Investigation: Jerry Kilgore, gubernatorial candidate
Disposition: Received $5000 from MZM, Inc.

Investigation: Edmund Matricardi III, former executive director of the Republican Party of Virginia
Disposition: pleaded guilty to one federal felony count of wiretapping yesterday, a week before he was to go on trial for eavesdropping on Democratic conference calls...charged with five counts stemming from his listening to and taping two different conference calls in which Democrats discussed strategy in their lawsuit against the new legislative districts Republicans drew in 2001. http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2003/042003/04022003... >LINK

Investigation: Rep. Eric Cantor
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Randy Forbes
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Sen. George Allen
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Tom Davis
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff and Kidan.
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Washington
Investigation: Rep. George Nethercutt
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Doc Hastings
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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West Virginia
Investigation Target: Rep. Shelly Moore Capito
Disposition: Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff
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Wisconsin
Investigation: Rep. Paul Ryan
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff
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Wyoming
Investigation: Sen. Mike Enzi
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff

Investigation: Rep. Barbara Cubin
Disposition: Received contributions from Abramoff


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Oh, now I know what your problem is Kulak! You're in the wrong thread! You're looking for that other thread entitle, "There Are No Criminals in The Democratic Party." I don't think you will find that thread on this board. This thread is entitled "Republican Family Values."

Oh, how convenient.
So we are not to talk about Democratic Values or who actually is enacting laws to protect families?
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Let me explain what this thread is about so you won't look foolish counter arguing a position that no one is holding. "Republican Family Values" is about the holier than thou campaigning strategy during the Reagan era in which the Republicans claimed to be the representatives of the "moral majority" and the party best exampling Christian values. They claimed that the Democratic party was the opposite using Studds as one example implying they were the better political choice. But as you can see in the previous 111 examples the Republican party is even worst.

More drabble, but now at least you give a value judgment as to what you feel. Much as a religion instead of a scientific approach.

So you have 111 examples of the Republican party, but have you spent as much time looking for Democratic party incidents? A dispassionate scientist would take a systematic approach to counting the incidents on each side and then counting the severity of the violations. S/he would divide between those that have actual power over legislature and those that are just related to a Republican.

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In the other thread entitled , Crimes Committed Against Women and Children in Fundamentalist Churches there are about 125 cases in which the Christian moral majority--many of them in the dual role of being Christians and Republican politicians--demonstrate that they suffer the same crimes and tragedies (like mental illness) as the rest of the populations if not worst.

So how many Christians are there in the USA? And above, how many Republicans are there? So we are to judge a whole group based on a sample of 111 or 125 cases?
 
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Maybe we need to change that to:

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John Wayne Gacy, (March 17, 1942[1] – May 10, 1994[2]) was an American serial killer[3]. He was convicted and later executed for the rape and murder of 33 boys and young men, 28 of whom he buried in the crawl space under his house, between 1972 and his arrest in December 1978[4]. He became notorious as the "Killer Clown" because of the many block parties he attended, entertaining children in a clown suit and makeup.
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Gacy was born and raised in Chicago. He had a very distressing and distant relationship with his stern, alcoholic father. He worked briefly in Las Vegas before returning to Illinois. He attended a business college and started a moderately successful career as a shoe salesman in Springfield, Illinois, where he became a prominent member of the Jaycees. In his study, Extraordinary Behavior: A Case Study Approach to Understanding Social Problems (2000), Dennis L. Peck, Professor of Sociology at the University of Alabama, writes: "John Wayne married in 1964. This also was the year a homosexual encounter was experienced for the first time." He moved to Waterloo, Iowa, where he managed a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant belonging to his wife's family.

However, Gacy's first marriage fell apart after he was convicted of child molestation in 1968. He was sent to prison for this crime, but he was a model prisoner and was paroled in 1970 after serving only 18 months. After he was released, he moved back to Illinois. He successfully hid this criminal record until police began investigating him for his later murders.
John Wayne Gacy in his clown costume as Pogo.
John Wayne Gacy in his clown costume as Pogo.

In 1971 he bought a house in an unincorporated area of Norwood Park Township, which is surrounded by the northwest side Chicago neighborhood of Norwood Park, and established his own construction business, PDM Contracting. He married a woman he had known since high school, she and her two daughters moved in with him. He became a prominent and respected member of the community. In addition to his clown act, he became active in the local Democratic Party, first volunteering to clean the party offices, eventually becoming a precinct captain. [1] In this capacity, he was even able to meet and be photographed with future-First Lady Rosalynn Carter [2]. Mrs. Carter even signed the photo: To John Gacy. Best Wishes. Rosalynn Carter. During the search of Gacy's house, this photo caused a major embarrassment to the U.S. Secret Service, as the photo depicted Gacy wearing an "S" lapel pin, which meant the Secret Service had given him a high-level security clearance (Sullivan and Maiken, 1983).

It was also during this time that he claimed his first known victim, a teenage boy he picked up at a bus depot. His marriage fell apart and his wife divorced him in mid-1976. Gacy began a double life: respected member of the community by day, sexual predator and murderer by night.

No suspicion fell on him until December 12, 1978, when he was investigated following the disappearance of a teenage boy, 15-year-old Robert Piest, who was last seen with Gacy. A search of his house, by Des Plaines detective Joseph Kozenczak, revealed a number of incriminating items related to other disappearances. On December 22, 1978 Gacy went to his lawyers and confessed. He claimed he had first killed in January 1972. He confessed to 33 murders, indicating where the bodies were in 28 of the cases—buried under his house and on his property. The other 5 he said were thrown into the nearby Des Plaines River after he ran out of space beneath the crawlspace under his house. Most of the victims were young male prostitutes or teenage runaways. Some victims were also teenage boys whom Gacy had hired through his contracting firm. At least one of the victims was picked up at the bus station. The youngest victim was nine years old. The oldest was around 20. Nine of the victims were so badly decomposed that they were never identified. The bodies were uncovered from December 1978 to April 1979, when the last known victim was found downstream in the Illinois River.
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On February 6, 1980, Gacy's trial began in Chicago. During the trial, he made a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity. However, this plea was rejected outright—his lawyer, Sam Amirante, made the claim that Gacy had moments of temporary insanity at the time of each individual murder, but before and afterwards, somehow regained his sanity to properly lure and dispose of victims. While under trial Gacy joked that the only thing he was guilty of was "running a cemetary with out a license" At one point in the trial, Gacy's defense also tried to claim that all 33 murders were accidental deaths as part of erotic asphyxia, but the Cook County Coroner immediately provided evidence that this was impossible. Also, Gacy had made an earlier confession to police, and was unable to have this evidence suppressed. He was found guilty on March 13 and sentenced to death (Sullivan and Maiken, 1983).

On May 10, 1994, Gacy was executed at Stateville Penitentiary in Crest Hill, Illinois, by lethal injection, after finishing his last meal consisting of shrimp, fried chicken, fresh strawberries and french fries. His execution was a minor media sensation, and large crowds of people gathered for "execution parties" outside the penitentiary, with numerous arrests for public intoxication, open intoxicants, and disorderly conduct. In an unusual display of gallows humor, the so-called "Gacy's Day Parade" (a parody of the "Macy's Day Parade") ensued. Vendors sold T-shirts and Gacy merchandise, and the people cheered at the moment when Gacy was pronounced dead.

Gacy's execution proved problematic when the chemicals used in the lethal injection were mixed in a way that caused them to solidify, and as a result, he reportedly took 27 minutes to die. This apparently led to Illinois' adoption of a different method of lethal injection.

According to reports, Gacy did not express remorse. His last words to his lawyer in his cell were to the effect that killing him would not bring anyone back, and it is reported his last words were "You can kiss my ass", which he said to a guard while he was being sent to the execution chamber. After the execution began, the lethal chemicals unexpectedly solidified, clogging the IV tube that led into Gacy's arm, and preventing any further passage. Blinds covering the window through which witnesses observed the execution were drawn, and the execution team replaced the clogged tube with a new one. Ten minutes later, the blinds were then reopened and the execution process resumed. It took 18 minutes to complete. 31 anesthesiologists blamed the problem on the inexperience of prison officials who were conducting the execution, saying that proper procedures taught in "IV 101" would have prevented the error.
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Some have pointed to his poor relationship with his alcoholic father, his head trauma and subsequent blackouts in his teenage years as some basis for his acts. There has also been some speculation that murdering men and boys — whom he called "worthless little queers and punks" — was Gacy's subconscious expression of self-hatred for his own homosexuality (Gacy claimed to hate gays and "gay-acting people," and that he was bisexual).[3] However, his victims were mostly heterosexual males. The victims were not targeted because of their personalities or sexual histories or practices. Indeed, these were varied. Their most common attributes were youth and good looks.

After his execution, Gacy's brain was removed. It is currently in the possession of Dr. Helen Morrison, who interviewed Gacy and other serial killers in an attempt to isolate common personality traits held by such people. However, an examination of Gacy's brain after his execution by the forensic psychiatrist hired by his lawyers revealed no abnormalities. She has said Gacy did not fit into any psychological profile associated with serial killers, and the psychological reasons for his rampage (if, that is, there were any psychological reasons) will probably never be known. During Gacy's trial, Dr. Morrison herself appeared as a psychiatric witness and told the court that he had "the emotional makeup of an infant" (Sullivan and Maiken, 1983).

During his time on Death Row, Gacy took up oil painting, and his favorite subject was painting portraits of clowns. He claimed to have used his clown act as an alter ego, once sardonically saying that "A clown can get away with murder." After his execution, his paintings were sold at auctions. The main buyer burned the paintings after winning the bids. Another of his famous paintings is of transgressive punk rock singer/songwriter/performance artist GG Allin, who had visited Gacy in prison and corresponded with him until Allin's death in 1993; the painting is in the possession of Allin's brother and bassist, Merle Allin, and a black and white reproduction of the painting can be seen on the front cover of the soundtrack to the GG Allin documentary Hated: GG Allin And The Murder Junkies. His paintings were also used as artwork for the Acid Bath album When the Kite String Pops. As well, Gacy did some paintings for performance artist, musician and actor Glen Meadmore, who corresponded with him for a period of time. A portrait of Meadmore painted by Gacy appears on the front cover of Meadmore's recording Hot, Horny and Born Again. Filmmaker John Waters owns one of Gacy's paintings, which Waters says hangs in his guest bedroom "so people don't stay too long".
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Oh, how convenient.

Not a question of convenience but rather finding counter examples to what the "Family Values" party claims to be true. One counter example is enough to expose the hypocrisy and show that a proposition is false. If one says, "All crows are white," but there is a case of at least one crow that is not white, that is enough to make the proposition false.
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So we are not to talk about Democratic Values...

I advocated no such prohibition. I detect an assumption on your part that I am Democratic party member.
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..who actually is enacting laws to protect families?

And what laws are beng enacted and do they in fact protect "families?" How about military "Stop Loss" laws forcing the break up of families with endless tours of duty in Iraq?
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More drabble, but now at least you give a value judgment as to what you feel. Much as a religion instead of a scientific approach.

The only values involved here has to do with hypocrisy, and the rule of non-contradiction. It's common sense not Quantum physics.
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So you have 111 examples of the Republican party, but have you spent as much time looking for Democratic party incidents?

I don't remember the Democratic party claiming to be the Party of God and the party of "traditional values." This was a standard the Republican set for themselves. How does it make sense to judge the Democratic party as hypocritical because it doesn't act in accordance to the Republican platform? A person is a hypocrite that doesn't live up to there own professed standards, not yours. So I have 111 scandals in this thread, 125 in the Christian fundamentalist thread, and I just added another list above. How many is that?
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So how many Christians are there in the USA? And above, how many Republicans are there? So we are to judge a whole group based on a sample of 111 or 125 cases?

How many professed Christians? Millions...and all of the same quality. How many actual Christians? I guess that's the question isn't it? Are we to judge the entire group by a subset of cases? Pollsters, and marketers do it all the time--within a few percentage points in fact. Like law enforcement, we can build a profile of a group. I have posts on that topic also.

John Wayne Gacy was not a Republican Congressman, Mark Foley was a Republican Congressman, and a leader of the "Family Values Politicians" using the legislature as a propaganda platform.


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So this gives us a nice convenient list of hypocrisies that the Dems will fail to live up to.

And according to our standards:
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One counter example is enough to expose the hypocrisy and show that a proposition is false.

And even Democrats support: "A Victory For Working Families" at: The Democratic Party
 
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Oh, how convenient.

Not a question of convenience but rather finding counter examples to what the "Family Values" party claims to be true. One counter example is enough to expose the hypocrisy and show that a proposition is false. If one says, "All crows are white," but there is a case of at least one crow that is not white, that is enough to make the proposition false.
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So we are not to talk about Democratic Values...

I advocated no such prohibition. I detect an assumption on your part that I am Democratic party member.
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..who actually is enacting laws to protect families?

And what laws are beng enacted and do they in fact protect "families?" How about military "Stop Loss" laws forcing the break up of families with endless tours of duty in Iraq?
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More drabble, but now at least you give a value judgment as to what you feel. Much as a religion instead of a scientific approach.

The only values involved here has to do with hypocrisy, and the rule of non-contradiction. It's common sense not Quantum physics.
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So you have 111 examples of the Republican party, but have you spent as much time looking for Democratic party incidents?

I don't remember the Democratic party claiming to be the Party of God and the party of "traditional values." This was a standard the Republican set for themselves. How does it make sense to judge the Democratic party as hypocritical because it doesn't act in accordance to the Republican platform? A person is a hypocrite that doesn't live up to there own professed standards, not yours. So I have 111 scandals in this thread, 125 in the Christian fundamentalist thread, and I just added another list above. How many is that?
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So how many Christians are there in the USA? And above, how many Republicans are there? So we are to judge a whole group based on a sample of 111 or 125 cases?

How many professed Christians? Millions...and all of the same quality. How many actual Christians? I guess that's the question isn't it? Are we to judge the entire group by a subset of cases? Pollsters, and marketers do it all the time--within a few percentage points in fact. Like law enforcement, we can build a profile of a group. I have posts on that topic also.

John Wayne Gacy was not a Republican Congressman, Mark Foley was a Republican Congressman, and a leader of the "Family Values Politicians" using the legislature as a propaganda platform.
 
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I understand you have a chip on your shoulder here and like a cornered dog, you lash out at everyone around you, without thinking.


I'm listening - - and I accept my share of this activity, but no chip on my shoulder. I've nothing to boast about.

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I see lots of contributing on your part but no absorption.



If I absorbed myself in all the criticisms I would not be able to continue. Very soon in becoming a participant, I learned to let alot go, yet retain and acknowledge some to make adjustments in order to communicate. If I'm not meeting "standards to communitcate" in this forum it is not because I am not striving to do so as you can see by the number of times I have posted.

My intention is to post in a respectful, friendly manner, and give alot of substantiation for my reasoning. Name calling is not one of the ways I 'get attention', nor do I condone character assassinating. I'll be the first to admit I've alot to learn and that's why I'm here in learning to grapple the issues, with forebearance, all the while based on "Faith and Reason".


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I have to say GG that your ignorance is absolutely astounding. You must not read anything and just go on stereotypes and myths bouncing around in your head. Haven't you every heard of the K Street Progect?


Your party rhetoric is tirESOME. You seem to think the Republican Party and Christian people have a corner on sex scandals. You purposely select, point a finger at others to distract from WHAT AND for WHOM???

We are all fallible human beings prone to concupiscence.

Would you not better serve humanity by striving to promote standards that protect all the living instead of wasting your time continuously pouncing on others who have failed?

You just love casting stones and to what ultimate good are you striving towards? Do you consider your self without sin and deserve to be in the seat of judgement?


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I'm listening - - and I accept my share of this activity, but no chip on my shoulder. I've nothing to boast about.


Sorry I was wrong, what I should have said is you are overly defensive and understandably, you are in "unfriendly territory", as far as your views are concerned.

I think it's important to to keep God, religion and faith at a minimum in your discussions here unless, of course, that is what's being discussed. Please don't take this suggestion as coming from "bill the moderator", you are free to invoke your faith as much as you want to here and if you choose to answer every issue with "It's God's will" that's you right. I just think the discussions may be better served without clouding the issues with faith-based answers.


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I just think the discussions may be better served without clouding the issues with faith-based answers.


And my premise is that the issues ARE clouded because we fail to acknowledge our reason and purpose for existence. It's as if we gave ourselves life - imagine we could actually call our selves into existence with our own plans, morals and teachings. How magnanimous is that!

I read your references on lobbyists and I have a few comments if you are interested:

  • Many have succumbed to confusion of face

  • intent upon serving mammon as their god

  • the U.S. is in an ethical quagmire

  • laws and forces of lobbyists cannot often times be reasoned

  • as we remove ourselves from our Christian roots we are fast removing freedom and patriotism

    I have more and can flesh this out, but I'm not sure if you want to continue further.


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