HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM HEARING NOTICE Tue Feb 13 2007 19:31:25 ET
The Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The hearing is entitled “Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?”
The hearing will be rescheduled to a date and time to be announced later.
DC WEATHER REPORT:
Wednesday: Freezing rain in the morning. Total ice accumulation between one half to three quarters of an inch. Brisk with highs in the mid 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph...increasing to northwest 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.
Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Lows around 18. Northwest winds around 20 mph.
I understand that water vapor makes up 97% of the greenhouse gases, a fact not included in "Inconvenient Truth". Also the temperature of the earth has increased by only One degree in the last century.
Global "warming-scare tactics are based on 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 and constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming".
We are threatened by naziism, communism, socialism, militant feminism, and now the new round up to order and call to rally is "environmentalism".
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Water vapor varies in concentration in the atmosphere both spatially and temporally.
So unlike the other greenhouse gases water vapor is tempoary.
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Water vapor varies in concentration in the atmosphere both spatially and temporally. The highest concentrations of water vapor are found near the equator over the oceans and tropical rain forests. Cold polar areas and subtropical continental deserts are locations where the volume of water vapor can approach zero percent.
Unlike the other gases, water vapor collects mostly around the equator and acts as a heat exchange to help keep the planet warm.
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It (water vapor) helps warm the Earth's atmosphere through the greenhouse effect.
The other greenhouse gases are showing a steady increase, which will eventually lead to disasterous consequences.
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Actually one of the reasons of increased snowfall in the New York cities Oswego, Buffalo etc, is Global Warming. We should really call it Global Climate Change. Because of the mild January the lakes did not freeze as they usually do. When the cold winds finally blew from Canada, there was much more moisture to be drawn into the winds. That is why we are seeing record snow levels. Also, as the Gulf Stream slows down as it is beginning to http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1654803,00.html We will likely see more dramatic weather variations.
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The other greenhouse gases are showing a steady increase, which will eventually lead to disasterous consequences
I assume you are referring to CO2.
Is the increase in CO2 a cycle or man made?
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
According to the UN report, the isotope of Carbon found to be increasing in the atmosphere, is from combustion which proves its from man made sources.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
Brian, I put your image into a link to fix the distorted thread.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
and search the site to see why your posted graph does not support your contention.
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Posts: 27 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 28 November 2005
Here is a nice PDF on the Inconveinet Truth. Implies the CO2 is and effect of Global warming and not a Cause. New science or Old Science? here
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
This is an issue that is often misunderstood in the public sphere and media, so it is worth spending some time to explain it and clarify it. At least three careful ice core studies have shown that CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature during glacial terminations. These terminations are pronounced warming periods that mark the ends of the ice ages that happen every 100,000 years or so.
Does this prove that CO2 doesn't cause global warming? The answer is no.
The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2, as far as we can tell from this ice core data.
The 4200 years of warming make up about 5/6 of the total warming. So CO2 could have caused the last 5/6 of the warming, but could not have caused the first 1/6 of the warming.
It comes as no surprise that other factors besides CO2 affect climate. Changes in the amount of summer sunshine, due to changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun that happen every 21,000 years, have long been known to affect the comings and goings of ice ages. Atlantic ocean circulation slowdowns are thought to warm Antarctica, also.
From studying all the available data (not just ice cores), the probable sequence of events at a termination goes something like this. Some (currently unknown) process causes Antarctica and the surrounding ocean to warm. This process also causes CO2 to start rising, about 800 years later. Then CO2 further warms the whole planet, because of its heat-trapping properties. This leads to even further CO2 release. So CO2 during ice ages should be thought of as a "feedback", much like the feedback that results from putting a microphone too near to a loudspeaker.
In other words, CO2 does not initiate the warmings, but acts as an amplifier once they are underway. From model estimates, CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases CH4 and N2O) causes about half of the full glacial-to-interglacial warming.
So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn't tell us much about global warming. [But it may give us a very interesting clue about why CO2 rises at the ends of ice ages. The 800-year lag is about the amount of time required to flush out the deep ocean through natural ocean currents. So CO2 might be stored in the deep ocean during ice ages, and then get released when the climate warms.]
Golly... 800 years. What happened 800 years ago?
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Your reading comprehension is in serious doubt as the article clearly states that the authors are speaking of paleoclimatology and that in those cases the physics of CO2 show that it accelerated the trend. If you are referring to more recent records including the LIA or the so called medieval optimum say so. You will also have to note that the records, again available to the more astute reader from Real Climate, indicate that those events have not been shown to be worldwide phenomena but may indicate a shifting of energy from one place on the globe to another. I have to wonder if you are deliberately misreading the science for political purposes or displaying a high level of ignorance regarding the scientific process??? Also, I note your use of questionable at best sources of information like Wikipedia and the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Again, astute readers will realize that you have a pattern of deliberate deception in your postings and that they would be best looking at either primary source material, or secondary sources written by by climate scientists who are currently publishing in the peer reviewed literature. In short, you are not persuasive except to those who already have closed minds on this important problem.
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Posts: 27 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 28 November 2005
Your reading comprehension is in serious doubt as the article clearly states that the authors are speaking of paleoclimatology
Gee, I wonder why everyone always says that. Since paleoclimatology is what I am talking about, I guess I right on track.
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If you are referring to more recent records including the LIA or the so called medieval optimum say so.
At minimum we should look at the Holocene Period for the barest of climate context. But even the holocene period only reflects .0001% of known earth climitogy.
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I have to wonder if you are deliberately misreading the science for political purposes or displaying a high level of ignorance regarding the scientific process???
Since I am neither Scientist, Nor politician, Nor anybody who has an agenda, I have to wonder whether you are deliberately misreading the science. Because the more Science I read the more confusing it becomes. There are possible Thousands of possible combination that can explain current climate trends. Solar, Atmosphere, Earth’s rotation, Earth’s tilt, Oceans, Currents, Wind, Volcanic, Clouds, etc etc etc and everything that I do not know I am missing.
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Also, I note your use of questionable at best sources of information like Wikipedia and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
Should I use Al Gore? How bout the DNC? Maybe YOU can be my oracle? I hope you are not suggesting that scientist would skew research to fit a particular POV. Like say, Man caused Global Warming.
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Again, astute readers will realize that you have a pattern of deliberate deception in your postings and that they would be best looking at either primary source material,
Boy, only 24 posts and your already starting to sound like the rest of the libs here, All rhetoric no substance. Try this. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. I get slam by the best around here, your not even in their league. It would be refreshing if you could actually support your contention instead of thinking your winning by telling what a retard I am. Feel free to check with AL Gore and Get back to me.
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In short, you are not persuasive except to those who already have closed minds on this important problem.
Since I am the only one actually engaged. Who gives a shit. You should worry about how all those lurkers are going to laugh at you for not supporting anything. Except for that lovey CSI article. Great show.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
I have to wonder if you are deliberately misreading the science for political purposes or displaying a high level of ignorance regarding the scientific process???
Ummm... both?
There is a purpose to my art, I just haven't figured out that purpose yet.
Boy, only 24 posts and your already starting to sound like the rest of the libs here, All rhetoric no substance.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Honesty.... try it sometime. Does wonders for the soul. Your kid will appreciate it. Hopes it's not too late
"something/anything" try it sometime, Does wonders for the soul.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Loganthor, I hear our friend is going to leave us and take his family with him...
So I think we should all find comfort in that he will go to a better place. I think that Venezuela is nice this time of year. Cuba has some nice beaches also as long as you don't mind being a second class citizen to tourists. If they are too close, then I suggest a nice socialist country like North Korea or Zimbabwe. Oh almost forgot most countries will not accept you as a citizen even if you are there for many years. Indian citizenship is pretty easy I hear. They have a nice welfare system. It pays everyone 500 rupees per month!!! That works out to about $11.00 US dollars!
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Your reading comprehension is in serious doubt as the article clearly states that the authors are speaking of paleoclimatology
Gee, I wonder why everyone always says that. Since paleoclimatology is what I am talking about, I guess I right on track.
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If you are referring to more recent records including the LIA or the so called medieval optimum say so.
At minimum we should look at the Holocene Period for the barest of climate context. But even the holocene period only reflects .0001% of known earth climitogy.
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I have to wonder if you are deliberately misreading the science for political purposes or displaying a high level of ignorance regarding the scientific process???
Since I am neither Scientist, Nor politician, Nor anybody who has an agenda, I have to wonder whether you are deliberately misreading the science. Because the more Science I read the more confusing it becomes. There are possible Thousands of possible combination that can explain current climate trends. Solar, Atmosphere, Earth’s rotation, Earth’s tilt, Oceans, Currents, Wind, Volcanic, Clouds, etc etc etc and everything that I do not know I am missing.
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Also, I note your use of questionable at best sources of information like Wikipedia and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
Should I use Al Gore? How bout the DNC? Maybe YOU can be my oracle? I hope you are not suggesting that scientist would skew research to fit a particular POV. Like say, Man caused Global Warming.
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Again, astute readers will realize that you have a pattern of deliberate deception in your postings and that they would be best looking at either primary source material,
Boy, only 24 posts and your already starting to sound like the rest of the libs here, All rhetoric no substance. Try this. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. I get slam by the best around here, your not even in their league. It would be refreshing if you could actually support your contention instead of thinking your winning by telling what a retard I am. Feel free to check with AL Gore and Get back to me.
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In short, you are not persuasive except to those who already have closed minds on this important problem.
Since I am the only one actually engaged. Who gives a shit. You should worry about how all those lurkers are going to laugh at you for not supporting anything. Except for that lovey CSI article. Great show.
Cooperation is how humans were able to build civilization. Biology shows competition as a negative for both organisms involved. In short, cooperation builds while competition destroys.
Posts: 27 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 28 November 2005
It seems Stepnw1f is dazzled by pretty websites. structurally it is a great link. it has the http and the two for-slash's. Truly great. Why don’t you pull something from that site that you feel pertains to this.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
It seems Stepnw1f is dazzled by pretty websites. structurally it is a great link. it has the http and the two for-slash's. Truly great. Why don’t you pull something from that site that you feel pertains to this.
Why Loganthor, All their work pertains to this. The fact that you can't figure out what to do with this site tells me volumes about you. There is a reason others have questioned your reading comprehension and your barely literate writing completes the picture. Bye.
Cooperation is how humans were able to build civilization. Biology shows competition as a negative for both organisms involved. In short, cooperation builds while competition destroys.
Posts: 27 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 28 November 2005
Too bad you don't understand the film. Have fun by yourself in this forum.
Cooperation is how humans were able to build civilization. Biology shows competition as a negative for both organisms involved. In short, cooperation builds while competition destroys.
Posts: 27 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 28 November 2005
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