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We now have undeniable proof that the earth is warming and human activity is the cause. I dont care what are your political beliefs, what God you pray to or how your pray, We have a problem and we are the ones who can solve it (in what little time remains)


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 22, 2007
Filed at 11:55 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Human-caused global warming is here, visible in the air, water and melting ice, and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.

''The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak,'' said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. ''The evidence ... is compelling.''

Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: ''This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles.''

The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week. This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes ''a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate,'' said co-chair Susan Solomon, a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

That report will feature an ''explosion of new data'' on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says. They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on Feb. 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.

The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.

Global warming is ''happening now, it's very obvious,'' said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in Boulder, Colo. ''When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer.''

Look for an ''iconic statement'' -- a simple but strong and unequivocal summary -- on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

The February report will have ''much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place,'' Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

An early version of the ever-changing draft report said ''observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming.''

And the early draft adds: ''An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation.''

The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report -- to be released in April -- will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.

As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises. Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.

In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.

The future is bleak, scientists said.

''We have barely started down this path,'' said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.

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AP Special Correspondent Charles J. Hanley contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: http://www.ipcc.ch/


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Apparently the report is due out on February 2, which is Friday of next week.


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I believe the entire AP article was cut and paste. I know from other forums' guidelines that to prevent copyright infringement problems or duplication without permission, an exerpt of the article is allowed and a link provided to view article from its actual source.

If this was the case, just ignore my comments.


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No, I took it from the NY Times. I only omitted the advertisement.


"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
 
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Acually the earth has been steadily warming since the end of the little ice age in the late 1800s. It will warm for a while then cool then warm again. It's perfectly natural for the earth to do this. Scientist know that the earth has being doing this for millions of years. we would be better off learning how to live with it instead of trying to prevent the unpreventable.
 
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Acually the earth has been steadily warming since the end of the little ice age in the late 1800s. It will warm for a while then cool then warm again. It's perfectly natural for the earth to do this. Scientist know that the earth has being doing this for millions of years. we would be better off learning how to live with it instead of trying to prevent the unpreventable.


Let me guess... you want to exonerate any human contribution to global warming? If so that's a POLITICALLY motivated statement, not a scientific one.

In the end it really doesn’t matter what's causing global warming. Human settlement and agricultural patterns are based on the climate of the past 5000 years or so. We are stuck where we are and the costs of just trying to "live with it" may be too high. And what about the conservative claim that people should take responsibility for their actions? Why should someone on the far side of the globe pay for our industrial and consumer excess?


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Why should someone on the far side of the globe pay for our industrial and consumer excess?

Good point! Why not do them a favor, and turn off your computer?
 
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Why should someone on the far side of the globe pay for our industrial and consumer excess?

Good point! Why not do them a favor, and turn off your computer?


And in your mind running a computer is a "consumer excess"? ROTF. Then I’m sure you consider even more of an “excess” that for the last 5-6 years I've been running some anthrax and cancer medical research programs in the background.

The difference between us is you probably think if you just pay for electric service... the market provides you immunity from ever having to think about the hidden costs of our lifestyle that is NOT covered in that market price.

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I was only joking.
 
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here is a good link showing global sea surface temps from 1984-1998. this is great proof that the earth is warming. whats really alarming is that some areas have warmed almost 4 degrees F in just those 14 years. since then, the water has warmed even more.


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here is a good link showing global sea surface temps from 1984-1998. this is great proof that the earth is warming. whats really alarming is that some areas have warmed almost 4 degrees F in just those 14 years. since then, the water has warmed even more.


Hmmm, spot the link?


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I was only joking.


Roger that... and I'll remove my snide comment.

My point was only those who think markets reflect the entire realm of economic realities tend to be blind to all the economic realities outside the market. In fact I’d go as far as to say that the Right would prefer they remain invisible. It allows corporations to externalize costs while internalizing profits, and it keeps alive the illusion that no one need search any further than a market "solution" for every problem.


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sea surface temps 84-98

oops sorry. dont know why the link didnt post the first time. lol


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Thanks for the link. Smiler


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thanks sue. it took me a while to find that site too. but it clearly shows water temps rising. i am still looking for some more recent maps of SST. i can pull individual months for every month from 1998, but that would be too many links. im trying to find one that has them set up nicely like the one page does.


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''The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak,'' said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. ''The evidence ... is compelling.''


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As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises.


This explains why Rupert Murdoch has jumped the fence and joined those concerned about global warming. Even though he was in lock-step with the neocons on the agenda to build a global plutocracy, if man's existence is wiped off the face of the earth, the wealthy go too.

So the pendulum begins it's down-swing once again and heads back to the left.

I would say, "All's well that ends well" but I know this is only temporary. In the past 100 years our political climte has been and probably always will be a never-ending seesaw ride.


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Just curious Bill. What the hell does Rupert Murdoch know about global warming? If he had an opinion about media it might have some weight.


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What the hell does Rupert Murdoch know about global warming?



Enough to know if he doesn't cover it he'll lose sales.


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Just curious Bill. What the hell does Rupert Murdoch know about global warming? If he had an opinion about media it might have some weight.


Sawdust,

If you read the book Iacocca, Lee talks about Henry Ford quite a bit (not in a good way) and tells a story about how Henry would expound about the cheeseburgers in the executive dining room at Ford Motor Company.

He told Lee one time "I pay a cook 30 thousand a year at home (back then, in the 60's 30k was 10 times what it is now) and he can't make a cheeseburger as good as this."

Lee was intrigued and went back to the kitchen to ask the cook what his secret was. The cook promptly took him back to the meat cooler and grabbed an aged New York strip steak, then proceeded to feed it into a meatgrinder.

Not too long after reading that amusing passage I was listening to some direct line tapes by Earl Nightingale and he mentioned how Hery Ford while being interviewed one day was asked "how do you keep up with all the knowledge it requires to run such a large company?" Henry replied "Actually, I know very little, but with one phone call, I can have the expert of any given field at my service."

So to answer your question Sawdust, Rupert doesn't need to know. I'll bet you can relate to the Henry ford anecdotes yourself, with respect to your own buisnesses.


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I've been reading some experts myself Bill. You can find an expert that takes nearly every position on every issue. Here's an expert on Kyoto. Here's an expert on warming.

Do I think the planing is warming? You bet I do. Do I know why? I don't have a clue.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
 
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Sawdust, Yeah, you can find someone who will take a contrary view of almost anything, can't you? The trick is to be intelligently selective about what you use for bottom line information. Here's some info on Mr. Singer, author of 'Unstopable Global Warming Every 1500 Years.' Why is his co-author an economist and not another atmospheric scientist?

http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandler...?ID=3055&method=full

http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html

Getting a clue is not all that hard unless you are prevented from making leaps of intellect and imagination by some anchor chain dogma.
 
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The trick is to be intelligently selective about what you use for bottom line information.


It's not a trick. The scientific method requires that we observe phenomenon, create a hypothesis, construct a theory from the hypothesis and then test the theory to try to determine fact.

Here is my major problem with the global warming crowd. Warming is a measurable fact. Mans impact on global warming is theory. The theory is being tested but too many of the testers believe it to be fact, thus spoiling the results of the testing.

The scientific method requires an open mind, not a mind that is cluttered with conclusions. Those who have the opinion that man is contributing to global warming may be absolutely correct. The skeptics may be correct as well and only an open mind will turn theory into fact.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
 
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The trick is to be intelligently selective about what you use for bottom line information.


That quote is worth repeating a third time, because it is an absolutely essential tool for getting at the truth in today's media.

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Here's some info on Mr. Singer, author of 'Unstopable Global Warming Every 1500 Years.' Why is his co-author an economist and not another atmospheric scientist?


15 years ago you would have to make a special trip to the library to ascertain what Red probably found out in a couple mouse clicks. So while the amount of misinformation and disinformation has swelled to monumental proportions, we fortunately have the means to cut through the bullshit in an expeditious manner.

So if we common folk can easily determine, as Red did, who is the expert and who is full of shit, then I have to believe Murdoch, with his billions of dollars and virtually unlimited resources at his command should be able to as well.

Lastly, and most importantly, you have to look at "what's in it for him". Murdoch has absolutely nothing to gain and plenty to lose by bucking the administration, the oil industry and the automotive industry. So common sense tells us the reason for him to make such a dramatic about face has got to be serious indeed!


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Gee Bill, I totally agree that we should judge global warming by what's in it for Rupert Murdock. I'm glad to see you guys are finally on the same page.


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Gee Bill, I totally agree that we should judge global warming by what's in it for Rupert Murdock. I'm glad to see you guys are finally on the same page.


Ok wiseguy, then suppose you tell me why a billionaire conservative like Murdoch would turn his back on his peers and throw in with the liberals on this issue?


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Gee Bill, I totally agree that we should judge global warming by what's in it for Rupert Murdock. I'm glad to see you guys are finally on the same page.

Gee, isn't that the same evil Rupert Murdock that the left smears? Isn't he the one that controls the minds of not only all Americans but worldwide also?

I guess all anyone has to do is accept global warming dogma and all is forgiven. Doesn't that sound a lot