Well, indirectly, he appointed Mitch McConnell's wife to sec'y Labor who, was in charge of mine safety, who fired the inspectors that found safety violations, at the request of the owner who contributes to republican coffers Mine collapse and death, or tax cuts, which do You want
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He has used his ties with important Republicans—particularly Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whose wife, Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, oversees mine safety—to avoid facing the music for safety violations. The Utah mine's safety record was fairly average, despite fines for safety violations in the hundreds of thousands, but nationally, Murray's mines have a shoddy safety record. When confronted in 2002 with safety violations, Murray threatened to have the inspectors fired, referring to his close friendship with McConnell. "The last time I checked," he said, "he [McConnell] was sleeping with your boss."
Great guy, huh? Would you trust him with your life?
take a look at the 'retreat' method of mining, basically it's taking the last bits of coal, to get it all, by taking the coal that supports the support beams, then you retreat...run like hell because it will collapse, but don't trip, 'cause you'll get in the way of the others trying to get out more payoffs and foxes guarding chicken coops
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Corporate origins
Bush picked Chao as labor secretary in 2001 after his original choice, Linda Chavez, withdrew because of questions about an illegal immigrant who had lived in her home. Chao had proved her Republican loyalty as a "Bush Pioneer," having raised more than $100,000 for the president's campaign. When Bush chose her, Chao was making more than $200,000 a year as a "fellow" at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative, corporate-funded think tank in Washington. While she was there, Heritage scholar D. Mark Wilson issued a report titled How to Close Down the Department of Labor, in which he blasted Labor's "excessive burdens on businesses." Chao hired Wilson as deputy assistant secretary in charge of workplace standards.
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Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
The mine owner said it was an earth quake. Geologists say it was an earthquake caused by mining. Bush's name didn't come up.
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Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
In many ways I am looking forward when Hillary is in the White House. Then I too will have someone to blame for ALL my problems as well as anything in the world that I can claim is bad.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Then I too will have someone to blame for ALL my problems as well as anything in the world that I can claim is bad.
It's not MY problem that I posted about, nor am I 'claiming' it bad, but if you talk to the families of the mine workers, and the mine workers in the collapsed mine, they will see it as THEIR problem, and most agree that it's bad, free market weeding the weaker players notwithstanding[gee people will quit buying coal from this asshole right?] . It was also preventable, with proper inspection and regulations in place written by someone other than spreadsheet bribemasters, it wouldn't have happened. Inflammatory title? Ask those in the breathable space crevices if their safety program having been run by someone that doesn't believe in the whole department, or regulations, ask them where the buck stops. Though it may have an investigation similar to AbuGraib(sic), orders from highest level instructing investigation to go no higher than non-coms, --maybe Lyndee England can take the fall for this too, she's from West Va., big mining state, she must have had something to do with it, just tack another ten years on her sentence.
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Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
The problem here seems to be a semantical one. When someone says Its Bush's fault, the intrerpretation is Bush was personally responsible for the tragedy What some really mean to say it the policies and culture, currently represented by Bush is responsible. Getting back to the Mine disaster, there was no earthquake! The mine had been labeled as troublesome for years. The other issue is that people placed in charge of the EPA, OSHA etc have no respect for the mission of these organization. In the future, there needs to be some regualtion that prohibits folks form the Enterprise Institute from having these positions Oil executives have no place in the EPA.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
Originally posted by polycarp: True. All mine collapses cause a tremor. The National Earthquake Center in Golden, Colo. stated there was no earthquake.
Bush appointed a mine industry exec. rather than a mine safety expert to oversee mine safety. The fox did a good job guarding the hen house.
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Our President was also blamed for the bridge collapse in Mississippi. How soon can we expect a retraction since it has been confirmed that a defect in the construction is the reason and that many other bridges have the same defect? How long will we have to wait for the apology -???
Also illegals were working on the bridge at the time without the proper skills and credentials, and of course we know that our bridges are getting allot of heavy traffic by Mexican trucks. Now you can put some of this blame on the shoulders of our President. He wants illegals.
Did you know that all natural disasters are also caused by our President. What a powerful man!!!!
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Question. From 1991-1999 there were 93 deaths and 21,351 injuries in mines. Did Clinton kill or injure those people?
I don't think he did. Mining is dangerous under the best of circumstances.
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Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
Actually yes. The Hoover and Coolidge administrations were notorious for ignoring public works.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
Originally posted by Slabmaster: Bush caused the 9-11 attacks by psycho muslims, Katrina, and now causes earthquakes.
Well, Bush did ignore warnings of an impending terrorist attack by air. He did little in Federal response after Katrina. Appointing a man with a background in horse stables to head FEMA kind of assured that. New Orleans is still a mess.
The National Earthquake Center in Golden, Colo. said there was no earthquake at the mine in Utah. Appointing a man to head mine safety from the mining industry rather than a mine safety expert kind of assured that.
If the Feds aren't reponsible for interstate bridges, why do the Feds inspect them? Why do the Feds warn of faults developing in dams...and nothing being done here either?
Disasters can be caused by negligence, or cobntributed to afterwards by negligence. This administration fits the bill for both.
The best Republican Pres. since Teddy Roosevelt was Ike. Both would be appaled by this administration.
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Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
It's just going to get worse and worse, until the lobbyists-turned-regulators are run out of Washington on a rail. the problem is...
Bush has appointed over 100 of them!
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Posts: 5565 | Location: hoffman estates il | Registered: 01 April 2003
Ok kindergarten class: Bush did not cause Katrina aor any disaster. what some of us are concerned is how they were managed; FEMA use to be a professional organization. It is now a national disgrace. Is that Bush's fault? Well what happens when you appoint as its head somebody whose past experiences were managing Arabian Horse Shows. 14/09/2004 NOW filthy stinking no good for nothing Communist (gasp) Cuba: How do they manage these crisis Truth be told: Better than we do 14/09/2004 Press Release IHA/943
CUBA: A MODEL IN HURRICANE RISK MANAGEMENT
GENEVA, 14 September (Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs) -- As Ivan stormed across the Caribbean, the United Nations stated that Cuba was a model in hurricane risk management in developing countries. “The Cuban way could easily be applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect their population as well as Cuba does”, explained Salvano Briceno, Director of the International Secretariat for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) in Geneva, the United Nations body that focuses on disaster reduction.
The figures speak for themselves: only four people were killed when Hurricane Georges hit Cuba in 1998, by far less than the approximately 600 killed in other countries in the region, with similar or better economic conditions. More recently, hurricane Charley killed four people in Cuba and 30 people in Florida.
Many reasons can explain the low level of hurricane mortality rate in Cuba compared to its neighbours. Education is possibly the main one, said Briceno. Disaster preparedness, prevention and response are part of the general education curriculum. People in schools, universities and workplaces are continuously informed and trained to cope with natural hazards. From their early age, all Cubans are taught how to behave as hurricanes approach the island. They also have, every year, a two-day training session in risk reduction for hurricanes, complete with simulation exercises and concrete preparation actions. This facilitates the mobilization of their communities at the local level when a hurricane hits Cuba.
Civil Defence and the Meteorological Institute are two other pillars of the Cuban hurricane risk management system. Everyone knows how to interpret the information given by the Cuban Institute of Meteorology. Television and radio play a vital role in informing the public as the level of alert rises. All institutions are mobilized 48 hours before the hurricane is foreseen to hit the island, to implement the emergency plan, and measures such as massive evacuation are taken. Every individual has a role to play at the community level. Local authorities know who needs special care and how to assist the most vulnerable. Schools and hospitals are converted into shelters and transport is immediately organized.
Cuba is an example that the vulnerability of people can effectively be reduced with low-cost measures -- and strong determination. Authorities are determined to implement disaster reduction policies in Cuba, says Briceno. “It is part of their development planning and their culture, which play a key role in saving lives and livelihoods. This illustrates the importance of a strong political will -- one of the main issues that will be discussed at the World Conference on Disaster Reduction. Leaders of countries around the world have at their disposal the knowledge needed to reduce risk and vulnerability to hazards. Even poor countries are not entirely without options to mitigate or prevent the consequences of hazards. What is often lacking are concrete programmes of action and the political will to implement policies and measures.”
The World Conference on Disaster Reduction (WCDR) will be held under the auspices of the United Nations in Kobe, Hyogo (Japan), from 18 to 22 January 2005.
For further information, contact: Brigitte Leoni, Media relations officer, World Conference on Disaster Reduction (WCDR), United Nations, Palais des Nations, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland, tel.: +41 22 917 49 68; fax: 41 22 917 01 69, email: leonib@un.org.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
This facilitates the mobilization of their communities at the local level when a hurricane hits Cuba. ... All institutions are mobilized 48 hours before the hurricane is foreseen to hit the island, to implement the emergency plan, and measures such as massive evacuation are taken. Every individual has a role to play at the community level. Local authorities know who needs special care and how to assist the most vulnerable. Schools and hospitals are converted into shelters and transport is immediately organized.
And the beat goes on...
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Just what the hell is that suppose to mean? The reality is the last hurricane that hit Cuba, there were very few fatalities. Contrast that with New Orleans. Mind you, I am not going to advocate their political system but damn it they did something right and maybe its worth studying I understand cynicism. I see it on the left and the right and it serves no purpose. To quote singer/writer/social activist Billy Bragg- Cynics have all the answers and they are all the wrong answers.
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
James: Just what the hell is that suppose to mean?
It means that Government that governs best when it is local control and developing the skills in the local area.
I don't remember if you were involved in our discussions about Cuba's version of Democracy but it does have some semblances at the local level.
Thus the cynics responses on NO is so largely misdirected. The failure of NO is so largely the fault of the local organizations and most notably the Mayor. If you want to see a government that is failing on so many levels then just look at NO and most notably look at the Police department. Can we say a culture of corruption?
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
I wasn't privy to that discussion sorry. If you are asking me to defend Ray Nagin I am not.
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
Huffington on mine story coverage 324 violations, Murray ignoring safety concerns, contributing to republican campaign coffers of the ones that removed the investigators identifying the violations, maybe Rove is being dispatched to Utah, attack Hillary Clinton [Murray has], and no questions raised about why the collapse.
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He is a politically-connected Big Energy player whose company, Murray Energy Corp., has 19 mines in five states, which have incurred millions of dollars in fines for safety violations over the last 18 months.
Probably won't see that in the TV movie.
Murray has also continued to insist that the mine collapse was the result of an earthquake -- a claim disputed by seismologists.
Dick Cheney says it was an earthquake,
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Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
Exhibit A is Bush's "mine safety" czar, Richard Stickler, whose agency both approved the controversial mining technique used at the Crandall Canyon Mine before the collapse, and oversaw the rescue operation.
Stickler is a former coal company manager with such a lousy safety record at the companies he'd run that his nomination as head of the Mine Safety and Health Administration was twice rejected by Senators from both parties, forcing Bush to sneak him in the back door with a recess appointment.
In other words, the guy the White House tapped to protect miners is precisely the kind of executive the head of the Mine Safety and Health Administration is supposed to protect miners from. And now Stickler is the one who will lead the "investigation" into what happened in Utah -- unless there is enough public outcry to force a truly independent investigation.
The thread title stands
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
Had Bush been elected way, way back, he would probably have appointed Al Capone as head of the FBI if the political donations were large enough. Seems to be his general mode of operation.
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