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“The Trouble With Our State”
By Daniel Berrigan

The trouble with our state
was not civil disobedience
which in any case was hesitant and rare.

Civil disobedience was rare as kidney stone
No, rarer; it was disappearing like immigrant’s disease.

You’ve heard of a war on cancer?
There is no war like the plague of media
There is no war like routine
There is no war like 3 square meals
There is no war like a prevailing wind.

It flows softly; whispers
don’t rock the boat!
The sails obey, the ship of state rolls on.

The trouble with our state
–we learned only afterward
when the dead resembled the living who resembled the dead
and civil virtue shone like paint on tin
and tin citizens and tin soldiers marched to the common whip

–our trouble
the trouble with our state
with our state of soul
our state of siege–
was
Civil
Obedience.

 
Posts: 1162 | Location: Boulder Creek Watershed | Registered: 14 February 2004Report This Post
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Chris, my friend, I don’t know why I came here this morning as I never look in on this place anymore, but I stumbled upon this posting of yours. My sentiments exactly, but you probably already know that. It is sad that those who need to understand this poem will not, that they will not look as hard at it – and at themselves at their own place in it – as they should. All is not lost though, friend, for there still are those with a voice, it may not be loud and strong and clear, but it is there. For the true health of humanity, and so the world, may some listen – that is my prayer.

The society itself that we have created is the sickness, is the disease; it is the destructor of physical and emotional lives, it is what brings to us unhappiness and obesity and war and homelessness and over consumption and depression and ‘left versus right’. It is the framework of society itself that must change, not solely the ‘politicians’; we should all be ‘politicians’, we should all be working towards the ‘common good’. But I doubt, friend, that many are willing, really willing, to fully grasp the poem you presented. For myself, every day I try to pull a single nail from the framing of society from each of my patients, that in some way they may go ‘ah’ and move forward with their own personal changing of the societal frame. I see that you are still working it too, and this is good – the world needs your voice.

Stay well.

-Mark.


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"In a big country dreams stay with you like a lover's voice across the mountainside" - Big Country
 
Posts: 872 | Location: Western edge of the continent | Registered: 04 October 2003Report This Post
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It is the framework of society itself that must change, not solely the ‘politicians’; we should all be ‘politicians’, we should all be working towards the ‘common good’.


Yeah.

How you doing Mark? Well I hope Smiler


When the world is run by fools it is the duty of intelligence to disobey
 
Posts: 1723 | Location: Perth, Australia | Registered: 02 August 2001Report This Post
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It is the framework of society itself that must change, not solely the ‘politicians’; we should all be ‘politicians’, we should all be working towards the ‘common good’.

Exactly Mark! (hello stranger peace dove good to "see" you)

I like the way you describe this: it must start with the individual, new ways of looking at things, new ways of operating. Politicians may or may not be part of it, but they are not our saviors. Civil disobedience is a useful tool, but first the individual must understand and embrace what s/he is working towards.


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We cannot control the evil tongues of others; but a good life enables us to disregard them.
 
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