10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
You are also a Fundamentalist if you deny the teachings of Christ. That shoe fits them very well. Some in my own church try on that shoe, and it fits them very comfortably.
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You're a Fundamentalist if you believe that you way is the only way. Your beliefs and your beliefs alone are the path to righteousness and truth and everyone else is a heretic or infidel!
You're a Fundamentalist if you believe murder in the name of your god is justified!
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
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Originally posted by ariel23: Then everyone is a fundamentalist (since 'they' themselves deny to great extend the teachings of Christ) ?
When applied to reglion, and in a religious context, sure. A religious teaching denying the basic teachings of Christ can generally be found among Fundamentalist Religions.
GG is an example of a Fundamentalist...even though she says she is catholic, her views are that of Fundamentalism, not of the church.
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When applied to reglion, and in a religious context, sure. A religious teaching denying the basic teachings of Christ can generally be found among Fundamentalist Religions.
GG is an example of a Fundamentalist...even though she says she is catholic, her views are that of Fundamentalism, not of the church.
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I absolutely agree she definitely exhibits fundamentalist behavior. She's a classic text-book example. Most of it I feel is due to ignorance and a lethargic and docile manner of blindly following questionable sources. And this may very well be the crux of humankind: We as a species would rather stick the blame on someone else and it is always easier to point fingers at another than it is to ourselves. Some of it could be traced back to our sense of survival. Yet I firmly believe that if we manage to quit blaming others, whether politically, religiously or otherwise, we can stop the fundamentalism within our collective awareness and thus in our practical existence.
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GG is an example of a Fundamentalist...even though she says she is catholic, her views are that of Fundamentalism, not of the church.
This is what I believe to be true - paraphrased from "LOVE AND RESPONSIBILITY" --
human beings must reconcile themselves to their natural greatness and must remember that each person is a gift
each person has the capacity to discover the grandeur to love and loving
only the person can bring into existence love and is able to bring into existence another person of yet more love
it is the responsibility of each person to love and to bring love where is does not exist
it is the capacity of each person to love that gives splendor to person hood
There is no greater love them He who died for me and for all so that we might have life and have it more abundantly. That's the love to emulate; that's the love that has gotten my attention and the core of my motivation.
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fundamentalists like GG also believe that islam is the boogeyman, as well as medically safe condoms and birth control pills.
they also believe it is just and ok to bomb little children with 3000 lb bunker bombs.
fundis also believe in a church state of government. they somehow think that their sectarian laws are better than the ones we have in place. they also believe in forcing their religious laws onto everyone, even if they dont believe in their faith (example- condoms, abortions, contraceptives)
GG, is this you? sure sounds like it.
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human beings must reconcile themselves to their natural greatness and must remember that each person is a gift
so when you bomb little iraqi children, you consider that a "gift"?
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each person has the capacity to discover the grandeur to love and loving
so where is your capacity for our muslim brothers and sisters?
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it is the responsibility of each person to love and to bring love where is does not exist
obviously love doesnt exist in GG land because all i ever hear her talk about is hate about muslims, the aclu, non christians, liberals, scientists, and non americans. did i leave anyone out?
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so where is your capacity for our muslim brothers and sisters?
see thread, "World's First Love",
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they somehow think that their sectarian laws are better than the ones we have in place. they also believe in forcing their religious laws onto everyone,
QUITE THE COnTRARY!!
The just ordering of society and the government is a central responsibility of politics. FUNDEMENTAL to Christianity is the distinction between what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God.
The government MUST NOT impose religion, but guarantee religious freedom and harmony between the followers of different religions.*
words of Pope Benedict XVI
*the spreading of sharia, the global militant jihadists oppose these freedoms.
Remember the Cole??!
And remember these - -
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The government MUST NOT impose religion, but guarantee religious freedom and harmony between the followers of different religions.*
words of Pope Benedict XVI
so then how come you were against someone taking an oath on the koran? if you are against that, then you are against religious freedom and your pope. do you not see the logic in this?
if the government must not IMPOSE religion, then why are fundamentalists like yourself pushing for religious laws like anti-abortion (based on religious morality), anti-contraception (based on religion dogma), and silening the muslim population (based on your own religious stereotypes). by doing this, are you not going against the very words of your own pope (which YOU quoted btw)?
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bill king - before the southernly gentleman hallows at you about responding to him, please consider his post, "GG, is this you?" today.
yes, i responded to you first and ill allow ONE courtesy response to my posting here. but after that, im done talking to you. there are plenty of other conservatives and liberals here which i can have a greeat debate with.
and btw GG, you ARE a fundamentalist. you dont or want to realise it, but you are. just as the Nazis thought they were on the side of "good" in WW2, so do you think your actions are "good". but they are not. you are doing real christianity a HUGE disfavor by repeatedly opening your trap.
just as radical muslims dont represent the religion of islam, you certainly dont represent the teachings of christ.
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so then how come you were against someone taking an oath on the koran?
Because the Quran specifically is not based upon the foundations of our freedom. Our vets. living and dead do and did not serve to kill the infidels and to rule the world with evil force, extreme coersion. Keith Ellison took an oath to kill all Americans who will not comply with Muhammad's legacy to rule the world.
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if you are against that, then you are against religious freedom and your pope. do you not see the logic in this?
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if the government must not IMPOSE religion, then why are fundamentalists like yourself pushing for religious laws like anti-abortion (based on religious morality), anti-contraception (based on religion dogma),
If a civil law is not hinged upon a natural/moral/divine law, it is not a law to follow but to change.
The traitors of freedom who invoked R. v W. and not letting the American people decide at the poles should have been removed. All peoples in our nation should be protected by the law to live - the inALIENable right to life according to the Declaration of Independence that is not taught in the schools today because INDOCTRINATORS have infiltrated our public school system.
Abortion kills a life every time, the mother suffers, and fatherhood is denied.
The government has a duty and a responsibility to defend all life from conception to NATURAL death. Since R v. W we have influential maniacs that are pushing for more deaths outside the womb as a result. We are truly witnessing a slippery slope of deaths, suicides expected since that January 1973 violation of the U.S. Constitution by activists black robed tyrants.
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Because the Quran specifically is not based upon the foundations of our freedom
but isnt our foundation of freedom based also on freedom of religion? and someone reading the religious text of their choice is included in that freedom.
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Our vets. living and dead do and did not serve to kill the infidels and to rule the world with evil force, extreme coersion
GG, we have vets of every race and religion, INLUDING MUSLIMS!!! i would think that they fought so they can practice the very freedom you are trying to deny them.
is not bush trying to kill the iraqi infidels? is he not trying to rule the world with evil force and extreme coersion? is he not also attempting to start WW3 and a new cold war with his hunger for world wide missles?
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Keith Ellison took an oath to kill all Americans who will not comply with Muhammad's legacy to rule the world.
no, he took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution. and as i and AJ pointed out many times, the bible is full of commands like killing all nonbelievers, legal slavery, and destroying others property if they dont believe in god. is this the oath you take?
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no, he took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution. and as i and AJ pointed out many times, the bible is full of commands like killing all nonbelievers, legal slavery, and destroying others property if they dont believe in god. is this the oath you take?
One of the many signs of sharia spreading in the U.S. Patriotic Americans should be outraged!!
There is not a command in the Bible to rule the world; Christianity is not a political moving force to enslave human civilization!
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no, he took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution
In your DREAMS!! You will live to regret this action and your support of this mockery of our judicial and congressional system.
You were also silent with the consult nancy pelosi took on from the "open borders foundation", of the George Soros society, soon after her new position. You who have spoken against amnesty - look who's been advising and influencing from a foreign source no less. George Soros hates the U.S.
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If a civil law is not hinged upon a natural/moral/divine law, it is not a law to follow but to change.
wrong GG. even your pope said that religion must not be in the government.
if divine law is to be followed, then logically you would allow a muslim, buddhist, or aethiest law to become civil law.
if you dont want islamic, buddhist, hindu, or any other secular law in place, then christian law also cannot apply. equal freedom means equal for everyone, not just fundamentals like you.
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The traitors of freedom who invoked R. v W. and not letting the American people decide at the ples should have been removed
but guess what GG, they already did deciede at the poles. north dakota voted OVERWHELMINGLY to NOT ban abortions. the people have spoken. i think you are still bitter that the majority of the people DO NOT think as you do, nor believe it should have been overturned.
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the inALIENable right to life according to the Declaration of Independence that is not taught in the schools today because INDOCTRINATORS have infiltrated our public school system
you mean like how you want to INDOCTRINE prayer and some magical "creationism" theory into our schools? oh thats right, you only want to indoctrine those things as long as its christian based. as soon as a hindu or islamic wants the same, you cry foul.
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Abortion kills a life every time, the mother suffers, and fatherhood is denied
and a us bomb dropped on innocent iraqis kills a life EVERYTIME. the people suffer and lives are denied. yet, where is YOUR outrage GG?
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The government has a duty and a responsibility to defend all life from conception to NATURAL death
then why arent you clamoring for a stop to the iraqi occupation and all the deaths resulting form us aggression there?
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We are truly witnessing a slippery slope of deaths, suicides expected since that January 1973 violation of the U.S. Constitution by activists black robed tyrants.
ill take those black robed tyrants over the white robed and hooded ones, who btw were mostly christians and fundamentalists like yourself. do you harbor hatred for blacks, browns, and others of differnt races/religions GG? i think you do. you are an ugly person inside.
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One of the many signs of sharia spreading in the U.S. Patriotic Americans should be outraged!!
There is not a command in the Bible to rule the world; Christianity is not a political moving force to enslave human civilization!
i am outraged that they even allow people like you to live here GG. as i pointed out (and AJ) the bible COMMANDS you to kill non believers. look it up. its in genesis. do you not read your own bible? do you even own one?
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In your DREAMS!! You will live to regret this action and your support of this mockery of our judicial and congressional system.
actually i wont. i feel quite at peace with my decision. and if anyone is mocking our judicial and congressional system, it would be the monkey we have as president.
his signing statements essentially gives him authority to bypass the judicial branch by allowing him to determine what applies with each bill. this is a mockery which apparently you are very happy with. where is YOUR outrage in THIS matter?
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You were also silent with the consult nancy pelosi took on from the "open borders foundation", of the George Soros society, soon after her new position. You who have spoken against amnesty - look who's been advising and influencing from a foreign source no less. George Soros hates the U.S.
no, i choose not to respond because your alligations have NO facts or merit behind it. frankly, nothing you ever say has any merit behind it and im beginning to wonder how i got sucked in to responding to you again.
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if divine law is to be followed, then logically you would allow a muslim, buddhist, or aethiest law to become civil law.
Jihadism is only from the Islamic roots - to struggle to rule over ALL. Not so with Buddism - remember the Buddists temples Muslims tore down??
AJ's thinking will not rule the world; nor does he want to rule the world. (he's really a very nice guy, you know!)
What I mean by laws natural/divine/moral are laws the are innately given to each person. These laws are written upon each heart; they never change; they are in season in ALL seasons; they are adaptable for each generation and are not humanly contrived; therefore, cannot be humanly removed.
Courts can pass all kinds of laws; but nothing removes inalienable rights of dignity to uphold for each person. A nation without God is a dying nation. There is no nation on the face of the earth that will survive with AJ's atheistic views. Communist Russia is a very good example of that - Japan --- Europe!
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ALL Muslims are mandated to remove individual freedoms. Get to know what the 'principal of abrogation', and 'kitman' means according to the Quran.
you are misinterpreting the koran again.
ok, im done responding to you GG. dont talk to me. and dont respond to me anymore. if you cant discuss things logically, then we are through.
i see you also frightened kenny mac off to. dont you see a pattern here GG? noone likes you, they all hate you, noone wants to respond to your crazy views, noone wants you to respond to them, they have you on ignore.
i see a pattern and the only constant variable is you GG. so it is obvious that you are doing something wrong, for surely 99% of the people cant be wrong in this case. perhaps you should take time off from this forum and look at your own faults and shortcomings before pointing the finger at others.
ONCE AGAIN< DO NOT RESPOND TO ME ANYMORE!!!!!!!
NADA< ADIOS< GOODBYE< DONT TALK TO ME< SILENCE IS GOLDEN< SHOO< ALOHA
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