Cindy Sheehan wrote on her web site the following:
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However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the “left” started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used. I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of “right or left”, but “right and wrong.”
Too bad the progressive sheep holding “Progressive” placards helped to silence one of the truly prophetic voices of our time: Cindy Sheehan. But then again, such is the nature of sheepies.
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It sounds like she's not going away. At the end of the interview she says this:
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AMY GOODMAN: Cindy Sheehan, we have fifteen seconds. I have the sense, as you talk, that you’re not actually leaving, even as a public face of the movement, but stepping back perhaps for a few months, a few weeks, to regroup. Is that accurate?
CINDY SHEEHAN: Well, what I like to think about is like, we’re closing down the factory, we’re going to retool, and we’re going to open up, and it will be a new and improved version of it. But we are definitely going to come at it from a totally different direction.
From viewing the entire interview this morning, it sounds like she is going to give herself some time to recover from having exhausted herself, and they are going to come up with strategies that have a chance to make some lasting changes. That's a good thing, I think.
eley
"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground"--Sweet Baby James
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I think Amy Goodman is collecting some money on the side... some Swiss bank account or something, or—at the very least—the promise of hob-knobbing with Presidents. You know, interests, the kind that keeps the NATION magazine silent about Henry Kissinger...
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I think Amy Goodman is collecting some money on the side... some Swiss bank account or something, or—at the very least—the promise of hob-knobbing with Presidents. You know, interests, the kind that keeps the NATION magazine silent about Henry Kissinger...
Doesn't fit her psychological make-up. Using those right wing mind sets again. Can't do it and come up with anything that may resemble a liberals actions or motives.
Our mind sets come up with what we ourselves would do in similar situations. That is one of the reasons attempts to manipulate others often backfire.If I do this, they'll do that, etc.
Free Psych. Lesson of the Day: Want to know who someone is? Pay attention to their assumptions regarding the actions of others.
They are revealing who they themselves are unless they have enough information about the individual to have a knowledge of their base personality. Example: we have enough knowledge about Bush to know he is a liar.
Assuming someone a liar whom one doesn't have enough info. about, reveals a liar within the assumer.
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Too bad the progressive sheep holding “Progressive” placards helped to silence one of the truly prophetic voices of our time: Cindy Sheehan. But then again, such is the nature of sheepies.
Chris- Got any ideas on how to wake them up? It's not easy when you see clearly, huh?
Look at this character rutherford, he's running around, loose in the world, completely bare ass naked.....and he doesn't even know it. He actually believes he is the character he is playing...dangerous, I suppose not much more can be expected, look at the king he follows
Hey, remember this guy
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Are we just going around in circles??? Yes, we are going around in circles. But you see, going around in circles--as you may have observed by looking at the sky--is what the universe is doing!
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Permanent Brain Damage When you are told from childhood that you are expected and commanded to behave in a way that will be acceptable only if you do it voluntarily, you remain permanently mixed up. That, if anything, is permanent brain damage.
I did not hear that about Cindy. No access to TV or radio; as far as the internet goes, I check in at my local library a few times a week.
That is good news. I am glad she is going to keep pushing her message against those married to the status quo: both the blue team and the red team.
The status quo hates people like Cindy because she demonstrates everyday through the actions of her life that the human spirit is still alive!. That is why people like Cindy are always going to be marginalized by Power, and those who yield it. We live in a two tiered system: one tier for the ‘halves’ and another tier for the ‘halve not’s.’ Cindy speaks for the “halve not’s.’
Take Hartmann and his web site as the perfect example. Like everything else in life, it represents a two tier system. As I recall, he converted it to a money operation last year by offering the existing registered members free access (around 12 thousand people), at the same time he introduced significant fees for any one coming after.
Even though I have exclusive membership to participate in his private playground, I choose not to. I would prefer to restrict my minimal participation with those who cannot afford to play his elitist games. Whatever the chief chuckle head had, he lost it a long time ago.
Ric,
I am not sure about much, but this: change comes from within.
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Take Hartmann and his web site as the perfect example. Like everything else in life, it represents a two tier system. As I recall, he converted it to a money operation last year by offering the existing registered members free access (around 12 thousand people), at the same time he introduced significant fees for any one coming after.
Even though I have exclusive membership to participate in his private playground, I choose not to. I would prefer to restrict my minimal participation with those who cannot afford to play his elitist games. Whatever the chief chuckle head had, he lost it a long time ago.
I find it odd that you would come into Thom Hartmann's web site and blast him for being an elitist and call him a chucklehead. Has anyone explained basic manners to you?
I agree with some of Hartmanns views and disagree with others. It makes tuning in interesting. I offer my thanks and appreciation to Thom for having this forum and allowing us the opportun ity to voice our opinions and exchange ideas.
Though you make the point of choosing "not to" participate, you spew hate and discontent 919 times.
and I though Sheehan was an idiot....
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Assuming someone a liar whom one doesn't have enough info. about, reveals a liar within the assumer.
Excellent. However. HAVING the info reveals the very same within the assumer as well. We know Bush lies for we have the info. Yet we still enable him. We HAVE the info but have not succeeded to impeach him. What does that say about us?
Basically. Do we even need to wake them up? My findings are that by attempting to wake "them" up, we are in fact judging someone whom we think is outside of ourselves for not doing what we want to see them do. However. By doing this, we are doing the exact same thing we're accusing 'them' off.
Think about it, really. We cannot change others. What Buteos is saying is correct: 'Change comes from within'. Then why continue to seek it outside? The reason that hasn't ever worked is because there *is* no outside.
Therefore, every person who is judging another, judging politics, judging conservatives, judging whatever, under the pretence of 'waking them up', whether it's Cindy, Bush or Thom Hartmann, or the lady at the bakery, is actually sustaining the very thing they are opposing and trying to get changed.
It doesn't mean that we sit back and do nothing. It means that we make an active change within ourselves and SHOW people who we are. Show them, instead of telling them that it's very possible and obvious to live differently (note: not 'better').
It's the same with kids. Only a small percent of what you tell them ultimately sticks with them. But for the most part, it's teaching by example that shapes them and enables them to shape themselves and their own values.
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Yes that's right ariel23. From the view of genuine liberation there are no inferior people. The ego never actually exists. Those captivated in the existence of the illusion are still playing the game. That some do take it so serious and are unconscious of the game is the cause for energy like Cindy to arise. Civilized repression builds up the power of Eros like water behind a dam. I would suggest that sometimes compassion is the motivation behind the pointing.
"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
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sometimes compassion is the motivation behind the pointing.
Bamboo,
I agree.
Compassion is often mistaken for pity, when it comes to judgement. And I believe everybody judges, as everybody takes in info and translates it to their own standards. It's been my greatest challenge to let go of my judgement and still I struggle with it from time to time. Yet sometimes my judgement really helps me. Because my judgement tells me something about my own self-worth.
If I judge a certain character to be 'bad news', my judgement compels me to stay away from him/her because my self-worth is preventing me to subject myself to someone who is 'bad news'.
It would be interesting to investigate how judgement is retrieved from instinct.
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Thanks for the advice. I will take your words into consideration if I ever decide to become a domesticated male, such as you so aptly demonstrate time and time again on this forum. The sad thing is, is that someday you might actually start doing some thinking on your own that was not inculcated during your toilet training. And when (or if) it ever happens, you might actually discover that shriveled place inside of what could have been authentic masculinity and empowerment instead of remianing part of the pack. In the meaning time, feel free to sit in front of your computer screen all day long and advance the same level of hate you are now accusing me of.
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Thanks for the advice. I will take your words into consideration if I ever decide to become a domesticated male, such as you so aptly demonstrate time and time again on this forum. The sad thing is, is that someday you might actually start doing some thinking on your own that was not inculcated during your toilet training. And when (or if) it ever happens, you might actually discover that shriveled place inside of what could have been authentic masculinity and empowerment instead of remianing part of the pack. In the meaning time, feel free to sit in front of your computer screen all day long and advance the same level of hate you are now accusing me of.
Perfect.
The guy that uses a library computer to spew insults drools on about "domesticated".
LOL!
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The guy that uses a library computer to spew insults drools on about "domesticated".
LOL![/QUOTE] -------------------------------------- You seem to be under the illusion that what a man owns determines his character. Some of the worst tyrannts in history have been pretty wealthy. Then there is poverty stricken Ghandi who gained his nation its independence.
To paraphrase King, it's not a man's wealth that determines who he is...its his character.
Just as easy to hold a wealthy man in disdain as a poor one. Depends on their character; their values, their ties with humanity. When talking with anyone, it's best to be blind to their financial status. It means nothing.
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Just as easy to hold a wealthy man in disdain as a poor one. Depends on their character; their values, their ties with humanity. When talking with anyone, it's best to be blind to their financial status. It means nothing.
Words of wisdom polycarp
Ya know, there's no hell worst than ignorance, unfortunatly only one who has exhausted it can claim that. Hard to believe entire lifetimes are spent there.
"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
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Originally posted by polycarp: -------------------------------------- You seem to be under the illusion that what a man owns determines his character. Some of the worst tyrannts in history have been pretty wealthy. Then there is poverty stricken Ghandi who gained his nation its independence.
To paraphrase King, it's not a man's wealth that determines who he is...its his character.
Just as easy to hold a wealthy man in disdain as a poor one. Depends on their character; their values, their ties with humanity. When talking with anyone, it's best to be blind to their financial status. It means nothing.
Retired Monk "Ideology is a disease"
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It has zero to do with anyones financial status. It has to do with bad manners and being "domesticated". (an idiots only tool to cast insults is a government /tax paid for libreary computer. Who is the one who is "owned".) Your a self proclaimed smart guy Poly, even you can figure it out if you choose to.
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Slabmaster, who began the exchange between you and butos with the word "Idiot"? Who made an implied slur about financial status? You made another slur based on financial status in your above post. Not the first time I've seen it done on this board by several people. You've even done that one with me, and I let it pass. I'm not very inclined to defend myself against slurs...and I am inclined to defend others.
If the shoe of my remark fits, wear it. If it doesn't, throw it out.
There is an inclination in this country to judge a person by their net worth rather than by who they are...their character. What I wrote remains valid, whether it applies or doesn't apply to anyone who may happen to read it. If you wish to challenge what I wrote in this light, feel free to do so.
I don't consider myself a "smart guy". I know a lot of things about many different subjects, because I have an interest in many different subjects. I seem to have been born that way.
I'm expert in nothing...I'm not a smart guy, though I had some potential to do that had I stuck with one endeavor rather than dozens. This does not make for a "smart guy" in anything. If anything, in our society it is rather stupid.
I belief this addresses all of the concerns in your post.
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I'm not very inclined to defend myself against slurs...and I am inclined to defend others.
Very good one, polycarp
Actually, it is said in 'Conversations with God' that sharing is a way to eliminate the great shortage and poverty in this world. A man who chooses not to own many things and to use a public instrument at a public place instead in my view deserves respect for his choices, because not many people could live without hardly any possessions. He most certainly does not deserve being called an idiot. To ridicule him and try to make him any less than he is, and to judge people on what they own and have in the bank instead of who they are, is exactly why this world is in its current state.
Idiocy is in the eye of the beholder. And unless you (slabmaster) understand about Buteos and what he has done for this world, your calling him nasty names only reflects back on the kind of person you are, and says nothing whatsoever about him.
You may not understand his beef with Thom Hartmann. And it doesn't concern you. Nor does it concern you why Buteos continues to post on the website of a man who stands for something Buteos despises. If it bothers you, or you lack any ability to read through it, then don't read the posts. No one is making you.
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Originally posted by polycarp: Slabmaster, who began the exchange between you and butos with the word "Idiot"? Who made an implied slur about financial status? You made another slur based on financial status in your above post. Not the first time I've seen it done on this board by several people. You've even done that one with me, and I let it pass. I'm not very inclined to defend myself against slurs...and I am inclined to defend others.
If the shoe of my remark fits, wear it. If it doesn't, throw it out.
There is an inclination in this country to judge a person by their net worth rather than by who they are...their character. What I wrote remains valid, whether it applies or doesn't apply to anyone who may happen to read it. If you wish to challenge what I wrote in this light, feel free to do so.
I don't consider myself a "smart guy". I know a lot of things about many different subjects, because I have an interest in many different subjects. I seem to have been born that way.
I'm expert in nothing...I'm not a smart guy, though I had some potential to do that had I stuck with one endeavor rather than dozens. This does not make for a "smart guy" in anything. If anything, in our society it is rather stupid.
I belief this addresses all of the concerns in your post.
Retired Monk "Ideology is a disease"
Poly,
You win the smoke screen prize. No matter the subject, you ride in and spin any conversation off into the twilight zone.
I don't need to repeat to you that any of this has zero to do with financial status, you already know it. I comment about buteos's lack of basic manners when slurring the host of the site, that buteos posts at at Hartmanns expense, and toddle in to spin it off into Polyland psychobabble. Strange outlook.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user."
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Posts: 2404 | Location: Redmond WA | Registered: 04 September 2006
Actually, it is said in 'Conversations with God' that sharing is a way to eliminate the great shortage and poverty in this world. A man who chooses not to own many things and to use a public instrument at a public place instead in my view deserves respect for his choices, because not many people could live without hardly any possessions. He most certainly does not deserve being called an idiot. To ridicule him and try to make him any less than he is, and to judge people on what they own and have in the bank instead of who they are, is exactly why this world is in its current state.
You don't read well, do you? Buteos made these comments:
Slab[beater]
Thanks for the advice. I will take your words into consideration if I ever decide to become a domesticated male, such as you so aptly demonstrate time and time again on this forum. The sad thing is, is that someday you might actually start doing some thinking on your own that was not inculcated during your toilet training. And when (or if) it ever happens, you might actually discover that shriveled place inside of what could have been authentic masculinity and empowerment instead of remianing part of the pack. In the meaning time, feel free to sit in front of your computer screen all day long and advance the same level of hate you are now accusing me of.
and I commented about "who" is the one who is owned or "part of the pack" by using public libraries equipment and using Hartmanns board for free to attack him.
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Idiocy is in the eye of the beholder. And unless you (slabmaster) understand about Buteos and what he has done for this world, your calling him nasty names only reflects back on the kind of person you are, and says nothing whatsoever about him.
I understand he is the type of person that is invited into someones living room to share ideas and wipes dogshit on the carpet. He then tells the owner what a bum he is. Nice guest eh?
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You may not understand his beef with Thom Hartmann. And it doesn't concern you. Nor does it concern you why Buteos continues to post on the website of a man who stands for something Buteos despises. If it bothers you, or you lack any ability to read through it, then don't read the posts. No one is making you.
Why does it concern you? I don't give 2 shits about his beef with Hatmann. What I don't understand is where peoples manners have disapeared to. Hartmann owns and pays for this space. As his guest, I think a little courtesy should be expected. No one is making you read my posts either. If it bothers you, then don't read them.
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Posts: 2404 | Location: Redmond WA | Registered: 04 September 2006
Firstly, I'm not the one who made the comments you posted above,
Secondly, if you think someone is showing bad manners, you can so state without making slurs.
Thirdly, slurs using financial status were ultized. That is my main objection. It's an American fault in judgement of character...little different than a racial slur in its effect.
As stated previously: "Just as easy to hold a wealthy man in disdain as a poor one. Depends on their character, their values, their ties with humanity. When talking with anyone, it's best to be blind to their financial status. It means nothing". I stick to that.
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Kate, why is it that when one is called on rude behavior to the site host, enablers come to the rescue? Does Hartmann have no supporters? I'm kind of surprised at the deafening silence. Maybe it's the new wave progressive way....I don't know. It's not a political difference or a philsophical difference. It's insulting a guy in his house while using his money (site) to insult him. I find it obnoxious. Nothing more.
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), agreed entirely. 
I suppose not much more can be expected, look at the king he follows 
