As a Native American I find this site is an appalling example of a white agenda that continues to marginal my people and all people living in poverty. This will be the last thing I ever say on this site and what follows is a summary of what I see unfolding here and is especially true for the owner of this site, his political agenda, and the people he employs to run it. It includes all Democratic Candidates but especially the prostitute Hillary Clinton. Also note, there are a very few voices on this site I would not lump into the characterizations offered below.
To me this place represents;
politics without principle wealth without work commerce without morality pleasure without conscience education without character science without humanity worship without sacrifice
In closing, the world in which you were born is just one model of reality. Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you.
Dorthy Day once remarked "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system" and it is especially true at this place.
Posts: 93 | Location: Western slope of the US | Registered: 29 July 2007
You really didn't put up much of a fight for an "activist". I guess that means the white man agenda wins again.
Then again I have always chuckled at the convictions of Activist
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Originally posted by Terra Nova: As a Native American I find this site is an appalling example of a white agenda that continues to marginal my people
My sympathies on being born unwhite. But what do you expect with that kind of gimmick? And how do you think I feel as a poor white person, seeing Indians driving around in big SUVs because they are Indians? And how do you think I feel being surrounded by Indian casinos that are exempt from federal gambling laws, sucking hard-earned cash out of the poorest white people in my neighborhood? I'll stop now, but I think you get my point.
We've already argued to death how horrible Israel is, and now white people need to be added to your list. I wonder how long your list is. Rotten things happen, and for sure the Indians have been the recipient of many unjustices. As one of the few survivors, surely you can honor the memory of your ancestors in a more positive way. Because making yourself into a professional a victim is no honor at all.
-- The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark
Posts: 3959 | Location: Santa Fe | Registered: 11 June 2003
Or you would have if Anna had returned before you posted that. Even if she had, though, you were assuming the victim stance for the purpose of furthering the argument you knew you did not have. Whether you were lying or not is irrelevant — it was that "kind of gimmick".
Posts: 205 | Location: mons | Registered: 23 October 2006
This site has been overrun by activists over the years, some of them are still here. We have had homosexuals, anti-abortionists, antisemites, gun rights activists and other unsavory types mount organized attacks on this site.
The noise level gets to be intolerable, reminding one of a junior high school playground where conversation is a tournament of topics relating to the playground's worst behaved child.
Fortunately, those types move along to greener pastures when they figure out their trolling doesn't work here. I hope you can stay and participate in a more moderate role.
Posts: 3959 | Location: Santa Fe | Registered: 11 June 2003
Moderate? It's far too late for being moderate. And I don't mean it's too late because I was kindly requested to ingest feces and join the choir invisible; it's too late because the killing still has not been stopped.
Regarding the noise level: you may want to check your own sound settings rather than make it a case of "we" versus "the others". It's called introspection. That's the point I was making, and it's far from "whatever". "Whatever" is exactly why activists are needed, and "whatever" is exactly why people make noise. Noise is not inherently bad — and the kind of noise that is needed most is on or beyond the level of intolerability for most people. That is not a coincidence.
Posts: 205 | Location: mons | Registered: 23 October 2006
OK well in case you didn't notice this is a moderate website. Most of us here don't believe in a radical leftist ideology. If you were to take a poll of the regular posters here you would find we average around the centrist axis. I think that is what Thom Hartmann means by "The Radical Middle". Most people are not centrist but off in some extreme or another. Collectively though, we all seem to average out.
-- The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark
Posts: 3959 | Location: Santa Fe | Registered: 11 June 2003
No way! Really? I never would have guessed. Thanks for enlightening me.
Does "moderate" include calling everybody and their pet dog an antisemite whenever it's convenient, or is that one of the more extreme positions around here?
And what the hell is "the centrist axis"?
Posts: 205 | Location: mons | Registered: 23 October 2006
Hi. You be good folks, upon other strains, and all day I've been angling for a way to say this: as a mathematician concerning some statistics, EVERYTHING insofar as an initiative, a fact, or an interpretation coming from 'politics' today, is actually skewed toward the fringes!! In fact all day today I angled toward the center of the street, of the block, and I imagined my apartment as the center of an orbit, about town, fom which I always arrived---back at the center! I think it infuriated folks...hey, you know, that was, GREAT!!! I am reminded, now, that the pendulum of history, is still swinging our Native People's, way out! (my history lessons of late, have educated me that theirs was not the indignity of extermination camps...they got 'endless' treaties broken, deceptions, poisoning with alcohol, finally their homeland was stolen, 95% of their people were massacred, and a thousand year adaptation of one nest of human civilization was all but destroyed. Courage, then. And, we b sorry, pal.
Posts: 582 | Location: New York City | Registered: 13 February 2007
I am reminded, now, that the pendulum of history, is still swinging our Native People's, way out! (my history lessons of late, have educated me that theirs was not the indignity of extermination camps...they got 'endless' treaties broken, deceptions, poisoning with alcohol, finally their homeland was stolen, 95% of their people were massacred, and a thousand year adaptation of one nest of human civilization was all but destroyed.
GB. We have still to learn what our elder cultures have to teach us. Massacred, betrayed, sold out, abused as they have been by our 'modern cultures', they will still teach us when we're ready for the lesson.
The lesson is ..... retaining the heartbeat of the world. Connectedness with life. Seeing through the illusion of money, toys and trapings and realising that each of us is ultimately alone with the cosmos.
How do we deal with that little stunner? Continue is aloneness? or seek to reach out in brother/sisterhood?
You ask any elder of any indigenous tribe anywhere and she'll give you an answer. Nomatter how much we hurt her.
One day our modern culture will thank the indigenous peoples on bended knee, for their strength in retaining the connection to the heartbeat of the world on behalf of us ALL. A task that could only have been performed by the wisest and strongest of our species.
When the world is run by fools it is the duty of intelligence to disobey
Posts: 1723 | Location: Perth, Australia | Registered: 02 August 2001
I don't receive Thom's show here in Florida, but I can get some parts of his taped shows. In one he is explaining to a caller that he was in Canada with the Apaches. One of them made fun of another. In turn Thom decided to make fun of the one that had started it to discover that it resulted in a deadly silence. He realized that he had committed a capital sin in insulting someon in the presence of the whole tribe. And he had no clue how to solve it. After a while one of the Apaches started to share how HE had a long time ago insulted someone, then the next guy shared a similar story. Everyone had a story to tell on how each of them had at one time or another insulted someone. And finally it was Thom's turn. What the Apaches were doing Thom explained was creating a balance. It is not about getting even, or about punishment but about maintaining ballance, and that is how they restored balance that evening without taking offense. He told the story much better than I can, but there is a lesson in it for us to learn.
Posts: 863 | Location: West Palm Beach, FL | Registered: 21 June 2007
Yea, Gerry. I heard that show too. It sounds like a kids game of telephone, doesn't it? My childhood neighbor, Jimmy FeatherStone, left me with a lasting, and life-long impression, of him. It was something like that as an eight-year-old, he was as old as the hills, somehow, too! Years after they moved out of our upper-class neighborhood, when acre parcels were being cut out and sold off, I know now that our association was a true blessing. I recall how he moved, deliberately, sure-enoughly, lithely, and incessantly. As I'll begin salsa lessons, soon, I'll call on those memories to dance with youthfullness, to which I'll always be grateful toward my neighbors (that was in Up-state New York, in Iroquois territory) (although the proto-Iroquois language was a dialect in many, regional groups).
Posts: 582 | Location: New York City | Registered: 13 February 2007
Originally posted by GoodBusiness: Yea, Gerry. I heard that show too. It sounds like a kids game of telephone, doesn't it? My childhood neighbor, Jimmy FeatherStone, left me with a lasting, and life-long impression, of him. It was something like that as an eight-year-old, he was as old as the hills, somehow, too! Years after they moved out of our upper-class neighborhood, when acre parcels were being cut out and sold off, I know now that our association was a true blessing. I recall how he moved, deliberately, sure-enoughly, lithely, and incessantly. As I'll begin salsa lessons, soon, I'll call on those memories to dance with youthfullness, to which I'll always be grateful toward my neighbors (that was in Up-state New York, in Iroquois territory) (although the proto-Iroquois language was a dialect in many, regional groups).
It should make us aware on how we effect others, especially young children and may have a lasting impression or an effect on them, good or bad, hopefully good. You were lucky to haave had such people in your immediate surroundings. Pass it on!!
Posts: 863 | Location: West Palm Beach, FL | Registered: 21 June 2007
Originally posted by Terra Nova: As a Native American I find this site is an appalling example of a white agenda that continues to marginal my people and all people living in poverty. This will be the last thing I ever say on this site and what follows is a summary of what I see unfolding here and is especially true for the owner of this site, his political agenda, and the people he employs to run it. It includes all Democratic Candidates but especially the prostitute Hillary Clinton. Also note, there are a very few voices on this site I would not lump into the characterizations offered below.
To me this place represents;
politics without principle wealth without work commerce without morality pleasure without conscience education without character science without humanity worship without sacrifice
In closing, the world in which you were born is just one model of reality. Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you.
Dorthy Day once remarked "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system" and it is especially true at this place.
Can you tell us how we can change it to make it more acceptable/pleasant for you?
Posts: 863 | Location: West Palm Beach, FL | Registered: 21 June 2007
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