Are you serious? you are concerned about GG’s feelings? Do you want me to do a search?
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Posts: 623 | Location: lefortovo | Registered: 09 February 2006
Originally posted by Kulak: Are you serious? you are concerned about GG’s feelings? Do you want me to do a search?
I think I qualify as a "bleeding heart Liberal", so, yeah, I guess I am concerned about GG's feelings -- despite the fact that we are probably about as far apart from seeing eye-to-eye as you can get. Heck, I even care about _your_ feelings.
Overall, I think it's best to at least _try_ to respect the person, even if you loathe their opinion. After all, they probably loathe _my_ opinion just as much. "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you" and all that.
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Originally posted by GG: In regards to Title X Program, this is what I was referring to for your response in regards to.
Okay, I've looked at the site and read the first couple of pages. I'll take into account that it's a Planned Parenthood document, so they'll be reluctant to discuss much that may be a hot button issue. For instance, they consistently refer to "women", but they _might_ be meaning just "females"; I really can't say.
Given that the primary utilizers are _adults_, I will note what their imapct is: fewer child, _without_ funding abortions.
The question is: Should the Federal government be funding contraception? The secondary question (which I think is _your_ concern) is: Does this promote promiscuity?
Primary: Yes, the Feds _should_ be involved. Since the overwhelming number of women that avail themselves of this program are poor and/or disadvantaged, I would have to consider the alternate effects of NOT having this program. That is, nearly a half-million additional children being born to mothers that cannot afford to raise those children "properly".
Taking myself as an example, my parents really could not afford to have me (much less my 3 preceding siblings). The financial hardship was directly responsible for one helluva dysfunctional family. Despite the fact that had they had such programs available to them would have resulted in _me_ not being born, I still hold that NOT having children would have been massively better for my parents. To be blunt, I would not wish that kind of Hell that comes from too many children with insufficient family finances on **anyone**. If a prospective mother can avoid having a child that she doesn't want and cannot afford, or make _safe_ arrangements to put the child up for adoption, I'm all for it.
Secondary: I do NOT think it promotes promiscuity. I think that women that use those services would be just as active without those programs as with. The difference is that without those programs, somebody that really shouldn't be having sex would still do so while running the risk of having a child that, like the sex she shouldn't be having, she would be too irresponsible or too immature to deal with.
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That is, nearly a half-million additional children being born to mothers that cannot afford to raise those children "properly".
America has the technology to feed the world and there is absolutely no reason for any to go without the necessities of living.
It is a dangerous ploy to hide behind the poor and disadvantaged when the real issue is to destroy populations, cultures, and nations.
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Secondary: I do NOT think it promotes promiscuity. I think that women that use those services would be just as active without those programs as with. The difference is that without those programs, somebody that really shouldn't be having sex would still do so while running the risk of having a child that, like the sex she shouldn't be having, she would be too irresponsible or too immature to deal with.
You must be a religious humanist. Saturate the youth with information about their body and sexual activities and they will believe that they are to go and do all the while they are misinformed about the many many consequences of the reckless behavior and of course it generates alot of business for those who are in the business of controlling and destroying human life.
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Taking myself as an example, my parents really could not afford to have me (much less my 3 preceding siblings).
God did not make perfect parents, C P., but yours apparently had enough commonsense to not destroy the gift of the lives given to them. Many in high places believe life is to be destroyed reasoned by a humanistic philosophy. Likewise those who pass out chemicals that sterilize the female, as in birth control pills to prevent conception puts the female at increased risk of breast cancer, liver and ovarian cancer. That's the NEW intelligence of the day and you are critical of your parents??!! How strange. Don't you perceive your circumstances as a preparation?
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I still hold that NOT having children would have been massively better for my parents.
Tell that to the countries that are literally sliding off the face of the earth and being taken over by Islamofascism.
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Secondary: I do NOT think it promotes promiscuity.
Make no mistake, I'm laughing at you for this conclusion. What a cop out and what a lot of disrespect for women.
"There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." (Prov. 14:12)
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Originally posted by GG: America has the technology to feed the world and there is absolutely no reason for any to go without the necessities of living.
Feed them, yes -- if you don't mind utilizing soup kitchens and food banks. There was a time that my father spent two years recuperating and rehabilitating from a major accident. We were on food stamps and used the food bank extensively. It _killed_ my perents' emotionally to have to rely on that kind of charity -- and the family suffered for it. Lots of kicking the dog going on (and in a family that had no pets, the role of the dog was played by the kids).
Just being able to live is only half the equation. (Some) People survived in concentration camps -- but would you call that "living"? Living in poverty -- poverty that becomes that much harder to escape with every new baby that comes along, is probably far removed from what you think of as "Life".
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Originally posted by GG: It is a dangerous ploy to hide behind the poor and disadvantaged when the real issue is to destroy populations, cultures, and nations.
Well, I suppose instead of using birth control, we can go for the Somalia approach. Or Darfur. Or maybe the American Indian path. Or maybe even the India Indian angle. Just crank those people out and just let the people sort out how they're going to cope with the crowding and diminishing resources. (It usually ain't "humane".)
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Originally posted by GG: You must be a religious humanist. Saturate the youth with information about their body and sexual activities and they will believe that they are to go and do all the while they are misinformed about the many many consequences of the reckless behavior and of course it generates alot of business for those who are in the business of controlling and destroying human life.
Assume you have your way. Say they follow your concept and approach to teaching Sex Ed. (Which thus far to me has sounded like, "Wait until they're ready and then only as much as they _really_ NEED to know.") What do you do with the fact that they are still in a society that bombards them with images of "easy and casual sex is the way to go" media? Do you put blinders on them. and earplugs? What you're giving them is the near-beer equivalent of "What it's _really_ about" while their heads are being filled with TV shows and commercials and billboards and locker room advice that "SEX IS FANTASTIC, MAN! Just wait until you can have it; it'll blow your mind!" Your reticence is likely to be viewed as one more comfirmation that they need to find out for themselves ASAP to see what all the excitement is about. (After all, every kid knows that "Wait until you're older" is adultspeak for "I want you to stay my little baby for as long as possible!")
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Originally posted by GG: God did not make perfect parents, C P., but yours apparently had enough commonsense to not destroy the gift of the lives given to them.
"Common sense" was definitely in short supply in our household. And there's a difference between "destroy" and "prevent". I spent most of my childhood wondering what _I_ had done for God to send me to Hell from the get-go. Being raised Catholic, I had to conclude it was punishment for my Original Sin I inherited.
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The first sentence is identical, but then it differs - meaning that the information came from the same source.
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Abortions just as common in countries that ban it as in ones that don't: study
Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday.
In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries, with one in five pregnancies worldwide and one in three in Europe ending in abortion.
The study was conducted by Gilda Sedgh of the Guttmacher Institute in the United States and colleagues from the World Health Organization. It was published in an edition of The Lancet medical journal devoted to maternal health.
"The legal status of abortion has never dissuaded women and couples, who, for whatever reason, seek to end pregnancy," Beth Fredrick of the International Women's Health Coalition in the United States said in an accompanying commentary.
Abortion accounts for 13 per cent of maternal mortality worldwide. About 70,000 women die every year from unsafe abortions. An additional five million women suffer permanent or temporary injury. ...
The number of abortions has dipped from about 46 million worldwide in 1995 to just under 42 million in 2003. But there was no change in the rate of unsafe abortions, with 48 per cent of all abortions deemed unsafe.
Nearly 97 per cent of all unsafe abortions were in poor countries.
LONDON -- Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday.
In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts also found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries, and that half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe. ...
"The continuing high incidence of unsafe abortion in developing countries represents a public health crisis and a human rights atrocity," Fredrick wrote. ...
Improving women's health, experts said, means improving access to safe abortions. Some experts criticized the restrictions that often come with donor money. Funds from the U.S. government, for example, cannot be used in any health services associated with abortion. ...
Because providing safe abortions depends on a working health care system, experts said tackling the problem is difficult.
In related papers published in The Lancet this week, experts said there has been little improvement in helping women survive pregnancy and childbirth in the last two decades, particularly in the world's poorest countries. ...
Strangers rescued girl from flaming wreckage, tried to save couple
Sun Oct 14 2007
By Jen Skerritt and Kevin Rollason
Strangers pulled a young girl from a burning vehicle on Friday night and then worked valiantly but, ultimately, in vain to free her parents from the fiery wreckage.
Headingley residents Wayne Adair, 41 and Serena Adair, 37, burned to death in the front seat of their pulverized Cadillac SUV, struck minutes earlier by a suspected drunk driver just west of Winnipeg on the Trans-Canada Highway.
Friends and family members confirmed the couple died at the scene, located three kilometres west of the Perimeter Highway on a historically dangerous stretch of the Trans-Canada that has no median.
"They were amazing people to know," said relative Andy Babiak, who wanted to see the collision scene Saturday afternoon. "We're just shocked. It's a tragedy and it's surreal at this point. We just had Thanksgiving dinner with them on Monday and now they're gone.
"They loved their family and loved their daughters," his wife, Katie, said. "They were just a picture-perfect family."
They couple also left behind one teenage daughter.
Their nine-year-old daughter Ainsley was rescued through the rear window, while witnesses frantically tried to break the vehicle's side windows with a fire extinguisher to get the couple out.
The driver of a second vehicle, who investigators believe might have caused the horrific crash, was also seriously hurt and later died in hospital. His family has asked RCMP not to release his name.
RCMP believe speed and alcohol may have been contributing factors.
The collision happened around 8:30 p.m. when a car travelling east side-swiped a Red Rider taxi carrying four people from Dauphin, careened across the highway into oncoming, westbound traffic and struck the Cadillac carrying the Adair family.
Both vehicles erupted in flames.
Jacquie Hockin said she and her husband, Blair, were returning home to Portage la Prairie when the crash occurred just ahead of them.
While Blair Hockin rushed to help the driver of the car, others were trying to get the husband and wife from the smashed vehicle.
"Both vehicles were on fire," she said. "They were trying so hard to get those people out. It was like a huge ball of flames went up.
"... But there was nothing we could do. People were risking their lives and doing what they could do. It was just too far gone."
Blair Hockin said initially he didn't even know the driver of the car was still in the burning vehicle.
"The was so much smoke," he said. "I reached in and thought it was a cushion, but a woman said a person is still in there so I went back in. He was slumped on the centre armrest. The dash was folded on top of him so I ripped it out. I cut my hand.
"I had his head and shoulders out and when another guy grabbed him I went back in to get his feet and legs out. They were caught.
"It was pretty scary, but at the time you don't even think about that stuff."
He said the sight of people trying desperately to save the couple in the other vehicle was almost too much to bear.
"They must have used 20 fire extinguishers... ," he said. "The flames were 20 feet high -- they were almost touching the hydro lines. People kept running over with fire extinguishers, but a little one-pound fire extinguisher doesn't do too much."
A handful of Winnipeg reservists on their way from Winnipeg to CFB Shilo were among the motorists who stopped at the crash scene to help. Four soldiers from the Royal Winnipeg Rifles provided first aid to the driver of the car and then joined others in trying to free the Adairs from their burning SUV.
A witness said it might have been one of the green-clad soldiers who rescued Ainsley Adair. Others were overwhelmed by motorists' efforts to save the couple.
Crystal Whitehead and Stacey Titterton, employees at Steve and Niki's Restaurant on the Trans-Canada, said they were walking across the parking lot when they heard the crash just a few metres down the road.
"I looked and I saw two cars burning," Whitehead said. "They were trying to pull them out for so long and they just couldn't. The whole car was on fire. It spread so fast. The people who were trying to save them were risking their lives. One gentleman was pushed back when it exploded and then after they went back and kept trying."
Titterton said there were several people trying to help the couple.
"They tried getting the parents out, but because of the airbags and the seatbelts, they were caught. They were trying to get them out, but they couldn't."
Saturday afternoon, the Adairs' grief-stricken family gathered at their home in the Headingley neighbourhood of Breezy Bend Estates.
They politely refused comment.
It's believed both Wayne and Serena Adair worked for Jim Gauthier Chevrolet Cadillac on McPhillips Street.
Staff at the dealership also declined to comment Saturday.
Beer bottles, cans and a preserved Cadillac emblem lay strewn across a ditch close to the crash site. Incinerated remnants of a car tire and paramedics' gloves were scattered on the opposite side of the highway.
By late afternoon, a makeshift memorial to the deceased couple had been placed against the bottom of a Stop for School Bus sign post at the scene, including several flower bouquets and cards of remembrance.
A card with one of the bouquets said, "You will always be in my heart. I will miss you so much." In the corner of the card was a drawing of an angel.
Neighbours of the Adair family said they were a friendly couple who went all out at Christmas to decorate their lawn.
"It's just so tragic," said one neighbour, who asked not to be named. "I think about it every minute. They were very, very nice people. They had a whole lifetime ahead of them.
"Thank God for the person who rescued their child," the neighbour added. "That would have been another human gone if not for that person. Someone took their own life into their hands and saved her."
The neighbour said Wayne Adair had appeared before the RM of Headingley council earlier this year to ask for speed bumps along the street to make the neighbourhood safer for children.
Headingley Reeve Wilf Taillieu said the collision may be the catalyst to get the province and the federal government to finally put a divider up on the stretch of the Trans-Canada highway between Headingley and Winnipeg.
He said Headingley has been working to get a divider installed since the mid-1990s, but neither the province nor the federal government has moved ahead since an agreement was signed in 2001.
He said most of the accidents that occur are either very serious or fatal accidents, and typically happen when a car gets rear-ended trying to turn left on an intersection and is pushed into oncoming traffic.
"It's a dangerous stretch of highway," Taillieu said. "We just can't get the (government) to move on this thing."
Members of the Adair family have asked the media to respect their privacy.
"(It was) just a big ball of flames going up into the air. It was kind of nasty," one witness told CTV News in Winnipeg.
Passersby rushed to help.
"They just ran over there and people were screaming for fire extinguishers," said Stacy Titterton, who witnessed the crash moments after it occurred.
Passing truck drivers stopped and pulled out extinguishers. They couldn't save the Headingley couple, but witnesses were able to pull out the little girl from the back of the car.
A makeshift memorial of flowers has now been set up near the crash site for the victims. But Titterton says she just can't bring herself to visit. She can't stop thinking of the couple's child.
"I just think of how hurt that little girl is going to be growing up," said Titterton.
There is a reason why the family of the other driver did not want his name released: it seems that he ran, unsuccessfully, as a candidate in the last Federal election of 2006. We might be having another one really soon. The Throne speech is tomorrow night.
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Sorry for being away. When I am sick, I stick to simple threads. When I am working on quotes I stick to threads where I don't have to cut and paste. And when I said it a few times already, I wait until I have something new to add or say.
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America has the technology to feed the world and there is absolutely no reason for any to go without the necessities of living.
It is a dangerous ploy to hide behind the poor and disadvantaged when the real issue is to destroy populations, cultures, and nations.
Well, I suppose instead of using birth control, we can go for the Somalia approach. Or Darfur. Or maybe the American Indian path.
Lots of issues here. Should note that when Europeans first came to Canada, that Native couples tended to have fewer children that European couples. After years of attempted genocide and forced sterilization and eroding of the traditional occupations and residential schools, the birth rate in this group is a bit higher now. Part of the reason is teen pregnancy rates in this group is a bit higher than average. If one waits until one is 30 or 40 to start having one's children, one does tend to have a few more of them.
Sure, as GG indicates, there is enough food to go around. The problem is that, for everyone to have enough food, it requires those with the most to share. Those with the most don't really want to share, they just want to get more.
Did anyone see "Darfur: On Our Watch" on TV the other day? Bill Clinton said that he was not going to send troops into any other region unless there was "self-interest". In my opinion, "self-interest" is the worst reason to send troops in anywhere! We should be sending our peace-keepers in to prevent genocides and aid in natural disasters, that's it!
If there is "self-interest" then you shouldn't be sending in troops because your purpose for sending in troops is not humanity but greed!
Sure, as CaptainPatch indicates, charity is not free since one is usually expected to pay for it with your pride and self worth. I think that part of the reason for the kick dog situation in his case is that, because the parents had to humiliate themselves for the good of their children, it made the parents more sensitive to humiliation from other sources. It might have been the feeling that, since they lowered themselves, they saw every little normal things the kids did as a sign that they were no longer respected. It was basically projection rather than reality. Also, if one sold one's pride for the sake of the children, one is going to resent the children for causing one to sell one's pride.
That is the big difference between charity and entitlement - entitlement says that you are worth it, that you are not getting it out of pity but that you deserve it. Working full time at Wal-Mart and using food banks is a way society says that one does not deserve a living wage.
Then there is the issue of child soldiers and bush wives that you bring up, but you all know about that already.
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Saturate the youth with information about their body and sexual activities
If you watch Bratz or the average beer commercial, you get the impression that the purpose of a girl/woman is to look beautiful and to please boys/men. Sex education is to tell little girls that they are not blow-up dolls and to stick up for themselves with boy friends. It also tells you that you have the right to decide if you want sex or not (not just to do it because it is expected of you), that you can refuse sex even with someone you are already having sex with, and that you can marry whoever you want.
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God did not make perfect parents, C P., but yours apparently had enough commonsense to not destroy the gift of the lives given to them.
Judging from CP, he considered himself a living abortion (term for unwanted child) rather than a dead one. He felt like he had been destroyed. I think that parents suffer when children commit suicide, not just over the loss of the child but with the realization that this life you created did not think his or her life was worth living. It means that they felt like living abortions.
Though, when parents are in pain (and having trouble dealing with it), it is sometimes hard for them to be able to express the love that they truly have for their children. Residential School survivors had demons that was hard for them to overcome. Some were just stripped of their language, culture and families, and some, like Phil Fontaine himself, were raped at the residential school.
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National Chief's Final Speaking Notes - Indian Residential schools announcement
This is an important day. It is a day for celebration. It is perhaps even a turning point in the history of this nation.
As of today, a long, 150 year journey has come to an end. A journey of tears, of hardship and pain….. but also one of tremendous struggle and accomplishment . The Settlement Agreement marks the success of that journey.
The Settlement is symbolic. It is a symbolic offering from Canada which acknowledges the harm done to survivors of Indian residential schools and how very wrong it was to inflict that harm. It is not a government handout – far from it - …it is an admission of wrong doing and an attempt to make amends. ...
It is about the life experiences our children and grandchildren will have that we never had…it is about affirming our rights to equal dignity and respect… it is about regaining and celebrating our cultures and languages…. it is about taking our rightful place as self determining peoples.
We know the burden residential schools placed upon our people. Their sense of inadequacy, embarrassment and dislocation….. because they were taught to be ashamed of who they are and what they represented.
This Settlement Agreement says to Canadians…. and to the world, NEVER AGAIN. Canada and the churches were wrong to do this to us. It never should have happened and it never will happen again. ... http://www.afn.ca/article.asp?id=3788
What does the following have to do with anything CP said? And why do you feel that all Muslims are right wingers! Some of them are right wingers, like you say, and vote Conservative (here) and Republican (there), but others vote for other parties as well. Some are Islamic fundamentalists, like you are a Christian fundamentalist, but others are more moderate as well.
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Tell that to the countries that are literally sliding off the face of the earth and being taken over by Islamofascism.
The word "fascist" is a derogatory term for "right-winger" just like "commie" and "pinko" are derogatory terms for "left-wingers" though you guys tend to use those terms to refer to right of centre parties such as the American Democrats. If you wish to use political slurs, get your terminology straight!
As far as I know, the US has States that may be sliding off the face of the earth as the oceans rise with Climate change.
Personally, I believe in the Social Gospel.
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I think I qualify as a "bleeding heart Liberal"
Vampires have neither hearts nor blood. Speaking of Vampires, do you agree with me that it is a sin against children not to hand out Halloween candy?
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Every person is a gift, even "bleeding heart liberals" and Islamofascists.
C P, I fail to reconcile with the fact you mourn and groan for having life when 3000 babies are butchered daily in the US and 126,000 world wide. I lost a child from abortifacients and later ended with a uteroectomy.
I fail to reconcile with your past difficulties when society condones youth to become commodities for subhuman sexual behaviors that lead to increased risks of STDs, cancers, depression, suicide, and death.
You're obviously an "overcomer" of difficulties. Congratulations! How about giving a helping hand to youth less fortunate so that they might acquire at least 1/2 the education you've gotten but theirs is stolen by saturated sex curriculae.
I was talking to an 8th grade teacher recently who is overwhelmed that her students lack the basics in education. We have a crises in academia and you claim victim hood.
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quote:by GG America has the technology to feed the world and there is absolutely no reason for any to go without the necessities of living.
It is a dangerous ploy to hide behind the poor and disadvantaged when the real issue is to destroy populations, cultures, and nations. response by Vaudree Well, I suppose instead of using birth control, we can go for the Somalia approach. Or Darfur. Or maybe the American Indian path.
Is that a "social gospel" response?
Vaudree, you cut and past a lot that I've not the time to read. I'm interested in your point. Hope you are feeling better.
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The Hidden Epidemic: Confronting sexually transmitted diseases
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Each year 12 million new cases of sexually transmitted diseases, including 3 million in teenagers, occur in the United States, with population rates higher than in any other developed country. In 1995, 5 of the 10 most frequently reported diseases in the United States were sexually transmitted, accounting for 87 percent of the diseases reportable to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The collective toll of these diseases on individuals and communities is enormous. In addition to the morbidity and mortality associated with sexually transmitted human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infections, sexually transmitted diseases cause serious complications, including cancer, pelvic . . .
According to the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS), 19.2 million women are living with HIV/AIDS throughout the world. In many countries, the rate of HIV infection in women is rising faster than in any other group . .
And, in the world's countries that have been hardest-hit by HIV/AIDS, young women ages 15 to 24 were up to three times more likely to be HIV infected than young men of the same age.
Worldwide, more than 80 percent of HIV infections are spread by heterosexual sex (vaginal intercourse); women are particularly at risk of contracting HIV through this type of contact.
In the United States, for the year 2001, 26 percent of those diagnosed with AIDS (the most advanced stage of HIV infection) were women. In 1986, women made up only 7 percent of those diagnosed with AIDS. Among those diagnosed with HIV infection in 2001, women made up 32 percent of the total. And, among adolescents ages 13 to 19 in the United States, nearly 50 percent of new HIV infections are among young women.
The most dramatic increases in the epidemic have occurred among women of color. More than 77 percent of the AIDS cases reported to date in women in the United States occur in African American and Hispanic women, even though these groups, combined, represent less than one-fourth of all the women in this country. NIH
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Hmm. If the large majority of new AIDS/HIV cases are women, and the overwhelming majority of them acquired the disease through heterosexual sex, that would require them to have gotten a much smaller population of men.
That would suggest either polygamy or for some reason disease-ridden men are very popular with those women for some reason.
Hmm. Something to ponder on.
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No, the "response by Vaudree" was not me but CaptainPatch. I quoted both of you and then respoinded. This was the "social gospel" response:
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Sure, as GG indicates, there is enough food to go around. The problem is that, for everyone to have enough food, it requires those with the most to share. Those with the most don't really want to share, they just want to get more.
Will be back when you catch up. As a Catholic, you must agree that not handing out candy at Halloween is a sin against children.
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No, the "response by Vaudree" was not me but CaptainPatch. I quoted both of you and then respoinded. This was the "social gospel" response:
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Sure, as GG indicates, there is enough food to go around. The problem is that, for everyone to have enough food, it requires those with the most to share. Those with the most don't really want to share, they just want to get more.
Will be back when you catch up. As a Catholic, you must agree that not handing out candy at Halloween is a sin against children.
As a ex-Catholic, I seem to recall that the original dress-up-in-scary-costumes on Halloween -- "All Hallows Evening" -- was to scare away all of the devils, demons, evil spirits just prior to All Saints Day. The giving of treats to those in costume was a minor reward to the the costumers for the service they were providing to the community.
At least, I think that was the way it was put to me when I was in 5th or 6th grade. (My, that was a lllllooooonnnnnggggg time ago!)
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....Dr. Paul Warren reports that psychiatrists have connected the increase in suicides and suicide attempts among teens to sexual promiscuity. According to Warren, sexually active boys are two times as likely as their non-sexually active counterparts to become depressed. With girls, it is three times more likely. An even more shocking statistic is that sexually active teen age girls are three times more likely to attempt suicide and sexually active boys are a staggering eight times more likely than their peers who are practicing abstinence. Warren says that teens are depressed because of sexual activity and not knowing that, they use sex to try to get over their depression. Of course this does not work but becomes a vicious cycle with the sex leading to more depression and eventually the teen may become suicidal. link
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“Sexually Active Teenagers Are More Likely to be Depressed and to Attempt Suicide” by Robert E. Rector, Kirk A. Johnson, PH.D, and Lauren R. Noyes. Publication # CDA03-04 June 3, 2003, Heritage Foundation, Washington., D.C.
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