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Gore running in 2008

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Posted: December 10, 2003
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� 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


Why did Al Gore endorse Howard Dean?

It was a shrewd political move calculated to position him for another run for the presidency in 2008.

Right now, Hillary Clinton is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla-ess in the Democratic Party.

When her name is added to presidential preference surveys, she blows away the competition.

If Gore is to have a shot at another run for president, he needs to position himself as the heir apparent in 2008. He just did that with the endorsement of Howard Dean.

Here's the way it works: Win or lose � and he will lose � Howard Dean will be the head of the Democratic Party upon acceptance of the nomination this summer. With that acceptance comes the party apparatus � in addition to the base of support Dean has built in his campaign so far.

Gore's endorsement of Dean likely comes with an agreement that the nominee will throw his support behind Gore in 2008. Thus, Gore would have something even Hillary Clinton doesn't have for her likely race � the loyalty and support of the head of the party and all that brings with it.

It's a bold move for a politician not known for making bold moves. He may have outmaneuvered "the smartest woman in the world" and his old mentor, Bill Clinton.

To do so, he was forced to betray Joe Lieberman, his own running mate, who has been unable to establish any traction as a candidate in 2004. But that's politics.

The endorsement of Dean wasn't the only political move Gore made this week. He also weighed in on the heated San Francisco mayor's race, indicating again Gore is not through with politics.

Gore, whose presidential ambitions suffered when a Green Party candidate siphoned liberal votes, endorsed Gavin Newsom, a city supervisor fighting his way through a stiffer-than-expected run-off against Green Party contender Matt Gonzalez.

Politicians make endorsements for one reason � they expect a quid pro quo. If Al Gore is going to teach, make speeches, run a cable TV company and write books, he doesn't need to get involved in the messy business of political endorsements. The fact that he is doing so strongly suggests he has plans for the future.

Gore altered the political balance in his party with his endorsement of Dean, but he also established his own heavyweight credentials as a major player in the party post-2004. His endorsement of a surging front-runner may have sewn up the nomination for Dean, who has had trouble getting the backing of the Democratic Party establishment.

The timing of Gore's move is also important: It comes just hours before the nine Democratic candidates meet for a debate in New Hampshire, less than six weeks before the first votes are cast � and at a moment when the former Vermont governor is seeking to consolidate his early support and bathe his candidacy in an aura of inevitability.

After lending his endorsement to Dean, Gore traveled with the candidate to Iowa where caucuses are scheduled for Jan. 19. Dean has been running neck and neck with Rep. Richard Gephardt, D-Mo., in recent Iowa polls. The Gore endorsement could make all the difference. Political observers believe if Dean wins Iowa and New Hampshire � where he is leading handily � the race for the Democratic Party presidential nomination is all but over.

Dean has become the Democratic front-runner by building a powerful grass-roots campaign based on strong opposition to the Iraqi war and strident criticism of Washington-based Democratic candidates who voted to authorize it. In addition to making himself competitive with Gephardt in Iowa, according to three recent polls, Dean has opened up a huge lead over the field in New Hampshire, where the first presidential primary will be held Jan. 27.

While Hillary Clinton has been saying the U.S. must stick it out in Iraq, Gore and Dean have offered blistering criticism of the war effort.

Al Gore is running for president in 2008. And he's running against Hillary Clinton.
 
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Gore, whose presidential ambitions suffered when a Green Party candidate siphoned liberal votes,
What's the difference between the Democratic party and the Republican party?

Their mascots!

Democrats didn't lose because of Green Party votes, they lost because they are no longer Democrats and because our 'votes' are hacked, tossed out, and changed by corporate 'voting' machines.

Our 'votes' are no longer, if they ever were, relevent.
'Both parties' are merely corporate hacks.
They do not listen to the working class because we don't have the money to pay for their campaigns.
As long as candidates have to run for office with corporate money, they will continue to be 'owned' by the corporations.

Bush and Cheney lost both presidential 'election', but were put in power first by the 'supreme' court and then by hacked 'voting' machines.

Our 'vote' is irrelevent as long as criminals control the 'vote'.


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This is an interesting article, especially given all that's happened since it was written. It gives credence to the rumor I heard about the Clintons being the (covert) major force behind the Dean defeat in Iowa.


Ah politics, does it ever get boring?


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From Al Gore Speech at Sierra Club
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The Bible in which I believe, in my own faith tradition, says, "Where there is no vision, the people perish."

Four years ago in August of 2001, President Bush received a dire warning: "Al Qaeda determined to attack inside the US." No meetings were called, no alarms were sounded, no one was brought together to say, "What else do we know about this imminent threat? What can we do to prepare our nation for what we have been warned is about to take place?" If there had been preparations, they would have found a lot of information collected by the FBI, and CIA and NSA - including the names of most of the terrorists who flew those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania. The warnings of FBI field offices that there were suspicious characters getting flight training without expressing any curiosity about the part of the training that has to do with landing. They would have found directors of FBI field offices in a state of agitation about the fact that there was no plan in place and no effective response. Instead, it was vacation time, not a time for preparation. Or protecting the American people.

Four years later, there were dire warnings, three days before Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA, that if it followed the path it was then on, the levees would break, and the city of New Orleans would drown, and thousands of people would be at risk. It was once again vacation time. And the preparations were not made, the plans were not laid, the response then was not forthcoming.

In the early days of the unfolding catastrophe, the President compared our ongoing efforts in Iraq to World War Two and victory over Japan. Let me cite one difference between those two historical events: When imperial Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Franklin Roosevelt did not invade Indonesia.

I personally believe that the very fact that there has been no accountability for the horrendous misjudgments and outright falsehoods that laid the basis for this horrible tragedy that we have ongoing in Iraq, the fact that there was no accountability for those mistakes, misjudgments and dissembling, is one of the principal reasons why there was no fear of being held accountable for a cavalier, lackluster, mistaken, inadequate response to the onrushing tragedy that was clearly visible - for those who were watching television, for those who were reading the news - what happened was not only knowable, it was known in advance, in great and painstaking detail. They did tabletop planning exercises, they identified exactly what the scientific evidence showed would take place. Where there is no vision, the people perish.
http://www.mojones.com/commentary/columns/2005/09/gore.html Hmmm, always was an environmentalist, but enough integrity to not say "See? I told you so". Knew the same cabal that stole the election that he won in 2000 were even more entrenched, and crooked in 2004. Can highlight genuinely that he's not an Elmer Gantry, he tried in the 2000 election, but red staters didn't pick up on it, 'What's seminary school?' Stayed out of the fray, while bush co. took enough rope to hang themselves. His paper trail on Senate votes is cold, offset with executive branch record, looking positively platinum against the current tin record. Gore/Clinton in 2008 with a cabinet preannounced with qualified skills, on the "No Crony,No Phony, No Balony" ticket. The name game, blame game, plame game...banana fana feaux


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gore/clark. hilary needs to stay in the senate.
 
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Works for me, still want Eliot Spitzer in Dept of Justice.


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Good ideas to both of you. I could get behind Gore/Clark, as well as Spitzer as AG.
 
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Gore and his connections to Occidental Oil.

What could be more unsavory for Gore?

A google search= Gore and Oxy Oil tells all. Frowner
 
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And I guess Kerry hasn't quit either, although it's a nice bit of speechwriting (whoever writes his stuff):

See Speech at Brown U Sept. 19, 2005
 
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i guess the damning kerry moment for me was his "duck hunting" show. i am neither pro nor con hunting, but he looked ridiculous. also, a candidate who is so brainwashed by handlers, spells danger to me. please not this retread candidate; he, like hilary, belongs in the senate.
 
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Do you think the Katrina victims will have any trouble voting in 2006? Better make haste now.


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From Wikipedia, Bill is running
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n 2005, the Associated Press reported that Richardson has informed party leaders that he intends to run in the 2008 U.S. presidential election [5].

The Albuquerque Journal reported on June 12 2005, that a New Mexico State Auditor concluded the Governor used Enron type accounting after his adminstration "circumvented the Legislature and proper accounting procedures when it opened the office in 2004 because it used money intended for the Taxation and Revenue Department to pay for the governor's Albuquerque digs." The Governor had allegedly opened an office in Albuquerque five minutes from the airport to meet with potential out of state donors for his 2008 Presidential campaign without inconveniencing them with the two hour round trip to Sante Fe.


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Bernie's a pro-democracy, pro-working class kind of guy, without apologies.
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Is he really pro-democracy? He was on this morning on Thom H's show, talking about how Bush and Repubs are ruining the country and how Dems must take the Congress in 2006, and someone called in and asked him but how do you prevent another stolen election? And the response he got from Bernie was just a lot of empty talk about making sure that every vote is counted, no more long lines, and on and on, and not a word about the real threat. It's the rigged voting machines stupid! Where have you been?

Why is it so hard for those politicians to speak the truth about electronic voting, how dangerous and flawed it is, and above all, undemocratic. Counting votes in secret by private corporations is incompatible with democracy. What part of it he doesn't get? This what defines to me who is pro-democracy and who's not. I don't know what else he is to people of Vermont, pro-worker, pro-this or that, but pro-democracy he's not any more than any of them.
 
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Bernie voted against a Bill seeking to challenge the voter fraud in Ohio after the presidential election of 2004. That is all one needs to know about Bernie, his obvious impotence in this domain, along with his inertia. Outside of appearing on the Thom Hartmann Show weekly, presumably because he has something to personally gain by the relationship: more power in the Senate - with nothing else to show for the elevation other than an increase in pay and prestige and lots of hot air about what need doing... Big Grin

My Grandmother used to describe people like Bernie with an uncanny wisdom by observing that they are "big talkers, little doers."

Let me tell you, it is hard to get motivated by the likes of the independent congressman from the sleepy state of Vermont. Yawn!
 
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I'm not here to speak for or stick up for Sanders ... but just to interject with other views of the vision thing:

Congressman Sanders Objects to Certification of Ohio Electoral Votes

Now beyond proposing legislative changes (which is his job ya' know) he hasn't done much ... that is true. But what he has done is far more than most Democrats or even middle of the road pols to the left of 'em.


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VermontIRV - http://www.vermontirv.net
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Maybe there's no challenge to electronic vote system, because they've been promised the next election, in exchange for what? Maybe killing the investigation of fraud, and theft, and conspiracy, and treason, and...


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Yeah, Bernie is an authentic American hero, alright. Big Grin He votes down the Bill that might have actually impacted voter fraud in favor of a lecture about opposing its certification. Typical political two-step. Now you see it, now you don't. Big Grin

I am due back on planet earth, where real people have real problems. Unlike the ass hole from Vermont - and his devoted followers. Big Grin
 
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America's sense of itself - its pride in its power and authority, its faith in its institutions and its belief in its leaders - has been profoundly damaged. And now the talking heads in Washington predict dramatic political change and the death of the Republicans' hope of becoming the permanent government.

� 2005 The Daily Mirror UK
Notice where this column comes from? They think we have elections..Hah.. from http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1008-32.htm titled the death of America


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But what he [Bernie Sanders] has done is far more than most Democrats or even middle of the road pols to the left of 'em.
this may well be true, but it's not so much a reflection on him as on most Democrats, who's been dead for a longest time.
 
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I think Thom ought to conduct another contest concerning the likely Democratic candidate for president in 2008. My prediction is a Democratic landslide. I am also picking Hillary as the nominee. My prediction is not based on my admiration of Hillary (because I dispise her) but rather on my analysis of the Democratic Party now under the control of the DLC. Care to put yourself on the spot? Who do you think will get the nomination and why do you think it?

As an aside to this, a very holy man - a man I would characterize as a prophet and who lives high in the Andes mountains - predicts a major economic and world wide depression occurring toward the end of 2006. If this prediction comes true, it will be the end of the Republican Party despite the pain and suffering that follows it.
 
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Hillary is unelectable. She is too polarizing and has high negatives with women. I'd like to see the Dems run someone like Evan Bayh. He's not radical enough for the Hartmann board but who is?

I came across this in Boortz this morning:

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We've seen the headline over and over that George Bush's poll numbers are now lower than they've ever been. By these reports, you would think such low poll numbers were unprecedented. Bush, who once enjoyed high poll numbers, has hit rock bottom of late. Blame for Katrina, Iraq, gas prices and on and on. An average of his approval rating among various polls is about 40%. Low? Yes. Unprecedented? Hardly. Let's look at the lowest approval rating of previous presidents:

Bush Sr. 29%
LBJ 35%
Clinton 37%
Reagan 35%
Nixon 24%
Ford 37%
Carter 28%
Well, at an average 40% approval rating low, it looks like George W. Bush has bested the lowest approval rating of his predecessors. Besides, who cares about Bush's approval rating? He's a lame duck...it's not like he's going to ever be running for office again.

Leave it to the media to continually report a non-story.
Before Chris accuses me of having my nose up Bush's ass, let me explain that the reason I bring it up is to point out that in general the country isn't as torqued at Republicans as those who hang out at liberal blogs would have you believe. In fact, Republicans have done a pretty good job spreading pork around and in many states have engraciated themselves to voters, much to the chagrin of fiscal conservatives. I see little hope for Democrat gains in Congress and will have to wait for the primaries to see if Democrats are smart enough to pick a centrist for a candidate for the White House.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
 
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Hillary is unelectable. She is too polarizing and has high negatives with women. I'd like to see the Dems run someone like Evan Bayh. He's not radical enough for the Hartmann board but who is?
Is this a joke?

Funny, you see views expressed on this site as �radical� and I see nothing more than the status quo. I could introduce you to some real radicals who might provide you with a correction by way of comparison. Thom is no radical. He often identifies with the middle class view. A view mired firmly in the status quo. Certainly, that makes perfect sense for someone seeking a national public following. Any true radical voice would never gain support to launch/maintain a career as a radio personality, politician, or any public career requiring public support. Common sense I think. My suggestion, Don, is that you happen to be so far off the right wing that you can no longer recognize main line rhetoric. You ought to love Hillary because she is a Republican disguised as a Democrat. In fact, from my point of view, all Democrats have more in common with Republicans than they have with visionaries.

Furthermore, the views expressed on this site (for the most part) represent a white, upper middle class, spoiled white folk refrain. These pages are dripping in a thick ooze of a bourgeoisies sensibility. (With a few notable exceptions.)
 
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1 : of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: as a (1) : of or growing from the root of a plant <radical tubers> (2) : growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground <radical leaves> b : of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic root


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If Kerry�s running mate disagreed at the time, he didn�t say it publicly. But now John Edwards has become the first high-profile Democrat to say that he regrets his vote to give Bush that authority. �I was wrong,� Edwards wrote in a recent Washington Post op-ed. Edwards� admission has spurred questions for the other Democrats preparing to run for the presidency in 2008: among the potential candidates, votes in support of the war were cast by Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Evan Bayh and, of course, Kerry. (Russell Feingold is the only potential candidate who voted no.) These candidates will inevitably be asked, knowing what we know now, would you still have voted for the war? Clinton has been asked this question, and her response is that if we knew then what we know now, there would have been no vote at all. This response is certainly clever (and probably accurate), but it doesn�t answer the question, which is why Democratic voters are unlikely to accept it as sufficient.

One wonders why Kerry, or any other candidate, would hesitate at all before answering, �Of course I wouldn�t have voted for it.� The answer can be found in the Washington conventional wisdom, which says that a Democrat who favored and continues to support the Iraq war is �strong on national security,� while a Democrat who opposes it is �weak on national security.� Discussing this issue on the ABC show �This Week,� George Stephanopoulos opined that Hillary Clinton would never do what John Edwards has done, because �it�s an article of faith to both Clintons that you have got to be strong on national security going into the 2008 elections.� One could substitute the word �wrong,� or perhaps �stupid,� for the word �strong� and articulations of this idea would make no less sense. But don�t go looking for logic in the DC conventional wisdom.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20051117/what_we_know_now.php So a position for 2008 "There's a difference between being 'strong on national security' and being 'wrong on national security'" or "There's a difference between being 'strong on national security' and being 'stupid on national security'" I like it!


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