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From Stephen Rose in the American Prospect:

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11943

For more than a decade, the Democratic Party -- the self-proclaimed party of the middle class -- has consistently lost the middle class at election time.

In 2004, voters with family incomes between $30,000 and $75,000 went for Bush by 6 percentage points, while Congressional Democrats lost this group by 4 points. Among white middle-class voters (one-third of the electorate), Bush won by 22 points and Congressional Republicans by 19 points.

What's the matter with the middle class? Democrats like to pin their defeats on national security and culture issues alone, but the progressive economic message is also to blame. What progressives generally say about the economy is unrelentingly pessimistic -- stagnant wages, rising costs, overwhelming burdens of debt. It's a message that doesn't resonate with the middle class -- not only because it's overly negative (by itself political poison), but because it's simply flat out wrong.

Don't believe me? Believe the numbers:

$63,300. That's the 2004 median household income of people in their prime working years, ages 25-59 (it's $70,000 for married households and nearly $80,000 for two-earner households).
$248,700. That's the median net worth of pre-retirement Americans, ages 55-64.
Zero. That's the median credit card debt for all American households.
Drowning in debt? Squeezed to the gills? Living paycheck to paycheck? I don't think so.

These numbers all add up to this one: $23,700, the household income at which a white voter was more likely to vote Republican than Democratic in the 2004 congressional races.

No question, the middle class faces challenges, such as rising costs for health care and college tuition and the declining real earnings for non-college-educated men. There's also no question that the wealthy have received the lion's share of economic growth over the past 25 years. Nevertheless, absolute living standards for the middle class have only improved, even if relative increases in income don't match the gains at the top.

Let me take on the three most repeated overstatements about the middle-class "squeeze:" first, that middle-class incomes and standard of living are slipping backward; second, that middle-class families are "drowning in debt;" and third, that employers are abandoning their obligations to provide health and retirement benefits to their workers.

The myth of the stagnating middle class:

It's true that the middle class is shrinking -- but that's because more families are better off. The share of prime-age adults in households with real incomes above $100,000 rose by 13.1 percentage points from 1979 to 2004. The share of households making less than $75,000 dropped by 14 percent. Fully 41 percent of prime-age American adults are in households with incomes above $75,000.

Among married-couple households the picture is even brighter. In 2004, the median income for these households was $70,000, and $78,000 for couples with two earners.

I focus on prime-age households (age 25-59), which are 68 percent of the population, because including the very young and the very old distorts the picture of what's really happening with the middle class. Many young workers get paid very little, but few will keep their low salaries as they move up in their careers. Older Americans distort the wage and income picture because they're no longer working. Their incomes may shrink, but their standard of living may not diminish. Indeed, Americans age 55-64 have greater net wealth than any other group.

Two final points: even assuming household incomes have risen, isn't it just because wives are working longer and harder? And aren't higher prices eroding the middle-class standard of living? No and no.

Wives certainly contribute more to household incomes -- their earnings now make up 30 percent of total earnings for middle-income families. But incomes for everyone except the very poor would have risen even absent longer hours on the job by wives. Holding wives' working hours to their 1979 levels, incomes for married couples have still increased by 4 percent for the 30th income percentile; 9 percent for the 50th; and 22 percent for the 70th.

On the question of living standards, the cost of some items, such as housing and health care, have risen much faster than inflation. But other equally important items have not. For example, in 1960, the average family spent 24 percent of its income on food. Today, that percentage is 13 percent, and half of that is on meals eaten out. Finally, despite rising housing prices, homeownership is at record highs even for young adults.

Drowning in debt -- or investment?

Another major source of angst is the rise in consumer debt, which is at historically high levels. But in focusing exclusively on debt, progressives ignore the other side of the ledger -- assets. Consider:

A majority of Americans have no credit card debt. And of the 46 percent of Americans who do, the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Finances says the median balance is $2,100. Moreover, Pew surveys from 2004 through 2006 found that only 9 percent of Americans said that they "owed a lot more [in credit card and installment debt] than they could afford."
Middle class assets are up. Real median net worth for all households rose from $69,000 in 1989 to $93,000 in 2004 -- an increase of 35 percent.

Most household debt is mortgage debt. Mortgage debt as a share of total debt has increased from 71 percent in 1989 to 79 percent in 2004. For the vast majority of people, their major source of wealth is equity in their home.
Bankruptcies are rare. Only 1.5 percent of households declare bankruptcy in any given year.
The number of people who can't manage their debts is somewhat higher. Since 1989, the percentage of people more than 60 days late on a debt payment has risen from 7.3 percent to 8.9 percent, and the share of people whose debt payments take up more than 40 percent of their income is up by 2 percentage points. But no evidence suggests that large numbers of middle-class families are maxing out their credit cards to pay the rent or buy groceries.

The overstated pension and insurance crisis:

The third major worry is the purported decline in employer-provided benefits. One oft-cited analysis says the percentage of workers with employer-provided health insurance dropped from a peak of 71 percent in 1981 to 56 percent in 2003. But that analysis counts workers who are on their spouse's health insurance as uninsured. The Census shows that coverage varied between 72 percent and 76 percent of the workforce from 1987 through 2004. And in 2005, 98 percent of large employers (200+ workers) offered health insurance to their workers. In the last four years, the percentage of workers with employer-sponsored insurance fell from 74.4 percent to 70.7 percent, but it's too early to know if this is part of a trend or a blip caused by the Bush recession.

Sharply rising insurance costs have meant that both employers and employees are paying more. However, the share of premiums paid by employers has remained constant for the past 20 years.

Finally, the percentage of companies offering retirement benefits has scarcely budged since 1987. The big shift has been from defined benefit to defined contribution, but again, this is a mixed picture. While some workers could see lower benefits, other workers, such as women and younger workers, could get a better deal. Traditional pensions are ideal for workers who stick with one company for a very long time. Women tend to cycle in and out of the workforce and younger workers tend to switch jobs with some frequency. For them, a portable 401(k) is a better long-run bet.

The middle-class story of the last 60 years is largely one of success. The wealthy have done better than everyone else, and the bottom 25 percent (75 million people) often face tough times. But repeatedly highlighting the troubles of this bottom group is not likely to resonate with the rest of the population. And the Democratic Party can only continue to advance its proud tradition of expanding economic opportunity for everyone in society if it does better among middle-class voters.

Rather than documenting how the middle class is falling behind (it isn't), progressives might do better finding ways to help more middle-class families succeed. In its recent report, Politics of Opportunity, the group Third Way counsels progressives to adopt a message and policy agenda that looks to middle-class aspirations and seeks to create middle-class opportunity. One way to do this, for example, is to look at the characteristics of the top income quintile and use public policy to replicate that success.

Two things set the top quintile apart: people in the top quintile are much more likely to have finished college, and they are much more likely to be in married, two-earner families. We can move more people up the ladder by doing two things: one, by helping more students graduate from college, and two, by supporting two-earner families in balancing work and family. This means such things as broad-based tuition tax relief, paid family leave, and more tax breaks for child care costs.

Solutions such as these can help progressives go a long way toward winning back the middle class.


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I'd just like to point out that this is part of a debate at the American Prospect. The other side is taken by Larry Mishel (I'm not familiar with either of them).

So, posting only half the argument is a bit misleading. You can read some of the back and forth on the web site:
Tapped

There are also links to the underlying articles. I think doing a parallel debate here would be redundant. It is easy enough to join in on the Tapped blog.


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What is just as interesting to me are not the actual numbers involved, and the debate ongoing, but the fact that it was even posted in the American Prospect to start with.


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I don't want to make too broad a (biased) sweeping statement, but liberals welcome debate while conservatives prefer not to hear opposing views.

Lest you think this is unjust, please show me a conservative blog site which permits honest debate. Redstate and little green footballs (two of the most popular) don't, for example. While this one and many other liberal sites have vigorous disagreements.

I think this harkens back to one of the themes I've been focusing on lately the "authoritarian personality". This is a person who believes in a top down social organization and prefers to be told how to think. There is a strong correlation between this personality type and a conservative political outlook.

A good summary of research on this here:
Summary


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There are no sources for the statistics quoted here, but that doesn't even matter. There is a glaring lie here. See, the author takes arguments that progressives make mostly about poor Americans, pretends those arguments are about middle-class Americans and thus uses middle class statistics (skewed ones at that) to prove the argument wrong.

What is it about the truth that right wingers are afraid of?

The grossest example of this insane spin is this line:

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But no evidence suggests that large numbers of middle-class families are maxing out their credit cards to pay the rent or buy groceries.


It is also of note that no evidence suggests anyone has ever made this argument about middle-class families!

Can anyone say Straw Man?

At least he admited that the middle-class is shrinking.


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I think this harkens back to one of the themes I've been focusing on lately the "authoritarian personality". This is a person who believes in a top down social organization and prefers to be told how to think. There is a strong correlation between this personality type and a conservative political outlook.



Robert,

Good to see more people looking into this important structural issue in our society. Note too that it will be found in those who think of themselves as liberals. Authoritarianism is deeply imbedded in hierarchy, and complex societies like ours are steeped in hierarchy because it's an excellent and efficient tool to organize and achieve results through group action. Note that hierarchy does not necessarily have to be authoritarian. I personally don't believe any other social meme is more damaging to the potential for democracy than authoritarianism.
 
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I can't think of a hierarchical social organization that is not authoritarian.

Business firms have a CEO and then down from there. The stockholders (the democratic element) are effectively powerless.

Most churches are authoritarian using some appeal to their founders to support the clergy's authority. I supposed in certain groups they can vote for the elders, but this is rare.

The government and military are authoritarian even in a democracy.

School is authoritarian, the principal tells the teachers who tell the students (for colleges substituted deans).

Even households headed by the "strong father" model try to be authoritarian.

Have you some counter examples?


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Oh, you.
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robert: I don't want to make too broad a (biased) sweeping statement, but liberals welcome debate while conservatives prefer not to hear opposing views.

Yes, that is too broad and is biased and lacks any support of facts. As a matter of fact, even on this board/forum I see a lot more openmindedness by the conservatives here than liberals. Even liberals that say that they want to look at both sides of an issue.
(Speaking for myself), I want to ask you what is my top 5 sources of information? That is what everyone one of the conservatives here do (i.e. listen to opposing points of view).
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Lest you think this is unjust, please show me a conservative blog site which permits honest debate. Redstate and little green footballs (two of the most popular) don't, for example. While this one and many other liberal sites have vigorous disagreements.

So tell us how those two sites do not permit honest debate. Do you allow honest debate on your site? Also I don't believe that Thom considers this a "liberal" site.

Let me give you a list of conservative blogs and then tell us with analysis if they are more restrictive than daily Kos.
Winds of Change
PubliusPundit
Harry's Place
MilBlogs
TammyBruce
SoundPolitics
FreedomsPeace
Castle Argghhh!
AnkleBitingPundits
RightWingNews
LaShawnBarber
PoliPundit
AnnCoulter
ConfederateYankee
LonePrarie
MiddleEastJournal

And this does not include Libertarian Economic Sites.

But robert actually complex societies actually have more and different forms of settling disputes and achieving results than strictly the authoritarianism approach. But maybe you just can't see that.
And lastly I believe the most damaging to advanced societies is Anarchy/Nihilism.
 
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RR:
I have to confess I've never visited any of the sites you listed, but will take a look.

I have been banned from redstate as have many others. I have also never come across any citations to the places you listed, so they apparently they don't intersection with the places I visit frequently.

It is not for me to justify or defend the policies of any web site, other than my own. I don't consider mine a "blog". If I achieve my aims then I post a carefully considered essay the way a print magazine would. People are free to email me with comments (there is a link in each) and some do. I've have yet to receive a comment which adds to the discussion in a unique way. If I did, I would add the comments as an appendix to the original.

I also post some of my essays on regular blogs where people are free to make remarks. My problem with this format is that I hope my choice of topics has a longer period of interest than the few hours or days on a blog and thus need to continue to remain visible.

In my brief forays into the right blogosphere I found too much name calling and other pointless behavior. There is also some of this on the left, but it seems to have become toned down somewhat. Perhaps I just don't read the most rabid posters anymore. We have certainly seen examples of this type of interchange here as well.

As I said I was overgeneralizing in the hope that I would get some examples. So I think I have achieved my aim at least in part. I'm not sure what to make of your remark about anarchy/nihlism - these are not realistic forms of government, just attitudes. I'm also not aware of a government which was run by people of either outlook, since they are not associated with any actual programs.

I've just posted two essays on democracy on my web site. One having to do with whether democracy is necessary for a successful society and the other having to do with actions that can cause a democracy to be subverted.

If you are interested, take a look, and if you think the topic would be of interest to others I could repost them here as new threads.

P.S. I actually visit one liberal/conservative site which encourages debate: swordscrossed. I suggest you take a look. The only problem with it is that there are too few conservatives and they are fairly predictable in their opinions, so the types of debates start to be unimaginative as well.


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Have you some counter examples?


Not really, I was speaking conceptually. If we wanted to enforce the potential in our democracy it could be different, but the way it works out, most people still want to have a leader telling them what to do. Those of us who want to question it can be dispatched or marginalized easily enough. Theoretically the hierarchy in a democracy has the mass of people above the the one appointed to be the chief in charge of making decisions, sort of an hourglass shape, if you get the picture, with the CEO in charge of a hierarchically ordered bureaucracy, but the citizens supposedly in charge of it all. Notice that the efforts of the Unitary Executive Theory/Doctrine is about removing the citizen input to the Federal bureacracy by taking as much of the influence of congress out of it as possible and putting it all under the President. It just works out that in a complex society people want to set up a bureaucracy and a chain of command to make it efficient. But there is no absolute that says that chain of command has to be authoritarian, that's just the way we've been trained to let it work out. As you noted the training begins in school.

Theoretically it could be set up to allow questioning all the way down without any serious affect on those who question at any time. It could be done very civily. I was involved back in the eighties in writing an operations manual for a company that wanted to set up a non hierarchical decision making process for companies, which was supposed to help bring out the latent creativity that gets suppressed through authoritarian decisionmaking structures. I don't know what they are doing these days, but the guy is still trying to sell franchises, I see, for the method he developed, I presume, though I don't know if the method has had to evolve since then: Adizes management resources
 
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robert: I have to confess I've never visited any of the sites you listed, but will take a look.

I am surprised by this, because some are actually pretty popular. I would love to see your list. I bet that I would know at least a few from your list. Honestly LonePrairie is more or less a joke. The writer is a single conservative blogger in one of the Dakotas. She writes about life and personal stuff, like locking your doors because zuchinni season is occurring now. LOL.
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I have been banned from redstate as have many others. I have also never come across any citations to the places you listed, so they apparently they don't intersection with the places I visit frequently.

I never liked redstate myself, as far as I remember the registration and posting was not very user friendly. Same with AnnCoulter forum.
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I also post some of my essays on regular blogs where people are free to make remarks. My problem with this format is that I hope my choice of topics has a longer period of interest than the few hours or days on a blog and thus need to continue to remain visible.

That seems reasonable to me. As you know I have a couple of blogs myself for more important analysis (especially like Kelo).
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As I said I was overgeneralizing in the hope that I would get some examples. So I think I have achieved my aim at least in part. I'm not sure what to make of your remark about anarchy/nihlism - these are not realistic forms of government, just attitudes. I'm also not aware of a government which was run by people of either outlook, since they are not associated with any actual programs.

I am not trying to insult you, but after reading your article on Saving Democracy and this, it looks like you need to study more about Democracy. This is not to say that I am an expert but...
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Anarchism:
Anarchism is the name of a political philosophy or to group of doctrines and attitudes that are centered on rejection of government, or the state, as harmful and unnecessary and support its elimination.[1]The term "anarchism" is derived from the Greek αναρχία ("without archons" or "without rulers"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general semantic meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership are undesirable and should be abolished. The rise of anarchism as a cohesive philosophical movement in the 19th century, with its notion of freedom as being based upon political, economic, and social equality, was a reaction to the rise of bureaucratic nation states and large-scale industrial capitalism.[2]

On its own anarchism does not provide a world view beyond the idea that imposed authority is undesirable and unnecessary. There are a variety of types of anarchism which all emphasize their points of difference.[3] There are dramatic differences on economic arrangements, ranging from advocates of common ownership and distribution according to need, to supporters of private property and free market competition.[4]

So there is a wide variety of political persuasions and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is one person to note of interest. And you are more or less correct on nihilism, but my point is that they would oppose democracies also.
If you want, sure, post your article(s) here and we can discuss them. Maybe we can point out areas that need more research.
Interesting on the Swordscrossed but I see around 2 and 2 bloggers. Are you talking about the people that makes comments?
One of the first blogs I went to was AlsoAlso that had someone with conservative ideas and one liberal. I enjoyed it plenty.

Lastly, my idea of democracy is Liberal Democracy. And since this a loose definition it could include other definitions of democracies including what you wrote about.
 
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I don't know who the copy editor is or who designed the site but:
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According to Fortune Magazine* the biggest problem facing management today is finding skilled, effective [mangers] who can [commuicate] and motivate others. Many companies are getting serious about growing their own leaders. Trouble is, they aren't very good at it. That's where TopLeaF comes in. Click here to find out how to develop better and more [effecitve] leaders.
 
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Ren:
I think the redesign of the Volvo plants in Sweden to use quality circles (or whatever they called them) instead of a traditional assembly line might be considered a non-hierarchical structure.

Each team decided who would perform which assembly steps and built an entire car using their own work assignment plan. Productivity went up as did quality. I think the team even signed each car.

I don't know if they still use this model.


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Another thought I had was from the university management structure. When I was a TA, the profs in my department had to share being the department head. It revolved year by year. No one really wanted to be head of the department. Perhaps one of the reasons why universities tend to harbor liberals is once you've achieved a PhD you hardly want someone telling you how to teach or what to think. Just a thought...
 
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Ren:
No one wants to be chairman because you get to do all the paperwork and the deans still make the real decisions...


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That's what they bitched about, the paperwork. Tenured professors don't exactly cringe when the dean walks around though. You have to admit, the universtity environment is missing the same level of authoritarianism one finds elsewhere. Most of the hassles are internecine politics.
 
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I can't possibly analyze all that info, or figure out if it is even true or not. But a little common sense goes a long way.....

- When swing voters voted for Bush in 2000, they obviously did so for reasons other than the economy. This is because the economy was at a historic peak.

- Bush's base almost always vote for one or more of these reasons alone: gays, guns, blacks, taxes and abortion.

- When swing voters helped kick out the Dems in 1994, it was due to Clinton's tax increase.

- When swing voters "picked" Bush in 2004, they did so despite many polls that suggested they trusted Dems more than Bush on the economy. Perhaps the suddenly increasing poverty and national debt and the loss of millions of hi-tech jobs and a lowering of average wages was the reason for those poll results. It is most likely the swing voters who voted for Bush did so due to national security concerns--namely, their reluctance to switch horses in mid-stream.

- The GOP is DESPERATE to rewrite history (again) regarding their disastrous economic performance since 2000.
 
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From yesterday's NY Times:
Many Theories on Income Inequality, but One Answer Lies in Just a Few Places

Article

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According to Mr. Galbraith and Mr. Hale, much of the increase in income inequality in the late 1990’s resulted from large income changes in just a handful of locations around the country — precisely those areas that were heavily involved in the information technology boom.


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- When swing voters helped kick out the Dems in 1994, it was due to Clinton's tax increase.


Perhaps more accurately, it was due to the mythology surrounding the tax increase put forth in the "contract on america".
 
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I found an interesting Google link on wealth distribution

Gini Coefficients

Gini coefficients measure how wealth is distributed. 0 would mean that everybody has the same amount of wealth. 1 would mean that one person owns all the wealth. Anything over .4 is considered bad.

About half way down the page is a listing of Gini coefficients worldwide.

It's interesting to note that highly socialistic countries like Denmark and Sweden have very low Ginis. Also Japan (IS Japan more or less socialistic? I don't know.) Hong Kong. which John Stoessel touts as a shining example of capitalism, has a very high Gini and it is rapidly increasing.

Hope this doesn't disrupt your discussion.
 
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It is interesting to see that the Gini coefficient isn't available for most countries in the Middle East.

Autocratic governments don't want others to see how badly they treat their own citizens, perhaps?


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Class matters, and more
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The Rich and Everyone Else

By Andrew Hacker

Class Matters
by correspondents of The New York Times, with an introduction by Bill Keller
Times Books, 268 pp., $14.00 (paper)

Inequality Matters: The Growing Economic Divide in America and Its Poisonous Consequences
edited by James Lardner and David A. Smith
Demos/New Press, 328 pp., $25.95

The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton
by Jerome Karabel
Houghton Mifflin, 711 pp., $28.00

Forbes 400: The Richest People in America
2005 Edition, 344 pp., $5.99

Individual Income Tax Returns
Internal Revenue Service, Publication 1304; available at www.irs.gov/taxstats

In their own ways, three of the books under review—Class Matters, Inequality Matters, and The Chosen—warn that social barriers in the US are higher and economic inequality is more pronounced than at any time in recent memory.
Very good, with tables, bibliographies, and summaries. Re:gini index, there's also a human development index with some of the same leaders as gini, duh..


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