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Originally posted by Camp:
Offer nothing. Slam everything. Yawn.

Why don't you just admit islam won't stop until the world is dar al islam? We know the deal.

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Camp's 'defense of Israel'

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If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.

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Where do I get such a crazy notion? Try reading page 4 here US Imam

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Camp's 'defense of Israel'

continues in the same vein.

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I particularly like -

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If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.

and then -

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Where do I get such a crazy notion? Try reading page 4 here US Imam

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Originally posted by Camp:
Of course you wouldn't actually read the passage in mohammads own words.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
Then you explain how a US Imam represents one ideology and the words of another person does or does not.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
Of course you wouldn't actually read the passage in mohammads own words.

Well you could provide the passage where he explains that " If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.", i couldnt find it.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
Then you explain how a US Imam represents one ideology and the words of another person does or does not.

He is quoting the koran which is the glue of the mohammadist ideology.

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If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.

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So one ideology openly calls for world domination then plays victim every chance it gets while the other ideology gets blamed for wanting to rule the world when in reality it simply want nothing to do with the moral inversions and human rights abuses of mohammads minions.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
So in absence of any substance from you Camp, to correct the false premise about Gnarlies 'defense of Israel', you turn to quoting someone quoting something from the Koran.

Again, like Gnarlies effort to 'defend Israel' by saying of Palestinians, the victims of Israeli aggression - "medieval mentality" "warring with the civilized world" "desert creators" "incapable" "Palestinians are scavengers".

To which you've added -

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If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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So one ideology openly calls for world domination then plays victim every chance it gets while the other ideology gets blamed for wanting to rule the world when in reality it simply want nothing to do with the moral inversions and human rights abuses of mohammads minions.

This the part you don't want to touch?

Go ahead. Touch it.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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So one ideology openly calls for world domination then plays victim every chance it gets while the other ideology gets blamed for wanting to rule the world when in reality it simply want nothing to do with the moral inversions and human rights abuses of mohammads minions.

This the part you don't want to touch?

Go ahead. Touch it.

What ideologies are talking about? There's several inventions/unsubstantiated claims in your paragraph. Drawing on a quote from someone quoting the Koran hardly explains any of them.

The only ideolgy i know of in modern terms is the one put forward by the authors of PNAC, where they openly call for world domination. None of whom are Muslim, or Arab. Openly call for world domination by military means.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
So in absence of any substance from you Camp, to correct the false premise about Gnarlies 'defense of Israel', you turn to quoting someone quoting something from the Koran.

Again, like Gnarlies effort to 'defend Israel' by saying of Palestinians, the victims of Israeli aggression - "medieval mentality" "warring with the civilized world" "desert creators" "incapable" "Palestinians are scavengers".

To which you've added -

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If Israel is lost so too is freedom and enlightenment.

1457 years of conquest and you claim there is no subsatnce for islam wanting to subjugate the world.

UV rays will scramble yer egg.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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So one ideology openly calls for world domination then plays victim every chance it gets while the other ideology gets blamed for wanting to rule the world when in reality it simply want nothing to do with the moral inversions and human rights abuses of mohammads minions.

This the part you don't want to touch?

Go ahead. Touch it.

What ideologies are talking about? There's several inventions/unsubstantiated claims in your paragraph. Drawing on a quote from someone quoting the Koran hardly explains any of them.

The only ideolgy i know of in modern terms is the one put forward by the authors of PNAC, where they openly call for world domination. None of whom are Muslim, or Arab. Openly call for world domination by military means.

What ideologies indeed? One set of morals pitted against another, but you know nothing of this do you? You just know what Noam Chomsky's jock smells like.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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So one ideology openly calls for world domination then plays victim every chance it gets while the other ideology gets blamed for wanting to rule the world when in reality it simply want nothing to do with the moral inversions and human rights abuses of mohammads minions.

This the part you don't want to touch?

Go ahead. Touch it.

What ideologies are talking about? There's several inventions/unsubstantiated claims in your paragraph. Drawing on a quote from someone quoting the Koran hardly explains any of them.

The only ideolgy i know of in modern terms is the one put forward by the authors of PNAC, where they openly call for world domination. None of whom are Muslim, or Arab. Openly call for world domination by military means.

What ideologies indeed? One set of morals pitted against another, but you know nothing of this do you? You just know what Noam Chomsky's jock smells like.

'One set of morals pitted against another'? I know what you've told me, which is that it is part of your defense of Israel?


And the PNAC ideology then?

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Originally posted by Camp:
The substance is the word of mohammads followers. They are the ones that want to rule the world, not me.

That seems to give you a lot of trouble.

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

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Originally posted by Camp:
Israel produces more PH.D theses than the entire Arab League combined.

Do you think this is a statistical "quirk?"

It shows the gap in the ideological dogma of mohammad.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

Koran, 1457 years of history, and the current wave of human debris that the imams convince to blow themselves up because some are more equal than others.

This isn't any of the "few" or "extreme" concepts. This is the way of the beast. Time to call it as it is.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
Israel produces more PH.D theses than the entire Arab League combined.

Do you think this is a statistical "quirk?"

It shows the gap in the ideological dogma of mohammad.

" more PH.D theses"?

What part of that gave you trouble?

Go look it up. I am not spoon feeding you.

I remember Gnarly making a fool of her self regarding the question of higher education amongst Palestinians.

So now you 'defense of Israel' includes "Israel produces more PH.D theses than the entire Arab League combined."

Brilliant.

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Originally posted by Camp:
My defense of Israel is unwavering. It is time to lay claim to mecca and demand some equal sharing of the kabba stone.

Time to soil mohammads holy room for a change.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

Koran, 1457 years of history, and the current wave of human debris that the imams convince to blow themselves up because some are more equal than others.

This isn't any of the "few" or "extreme" concepts. This is the way of the beast. Time to call it as it is.

Again, defending Israel by pointing to their victims. Again with a false argument. They blow themselves up as a tactic, not because they see some as more equal than others.

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" more PH.D theses"? Big Grin

What part of that gave you trouble?

Go look it up. I am not spoon feeding you.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
My defense of Israel is unwavering. It is time to lay claim to mecca and demand some equal sharing of the kabba stone.

Time to soil mohammads holy room for a change.

Your defense of Israel lacks any substance on Israel. Perhaps because the actions in question are indefensible.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

Koran, 1457 years of history, and the current wave of human debris that the imams convince to blow themselves up because some are more equal than others.

This isn't any of the "few" or "extreme" concepts. This is the way of the beast. Time to call it as it is.

Again, defending Israel by pointing to their victims. Again with a false argument. They blow themselves up as a tactic, not because they see some as more equal than others.

How would you know why these retards blow themselves up? They are being used as a tool for submission after the fact.

Who knows what goes on in their little minds?

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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" more PH.D theses"? Big Grin

What part of that gave you trouble?

Go look it up. I am not spoon feeding you.

The part where you percieve it to be relevant to your 'defense of Israel'.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
My defense of Israel is unwavering. It is time to lay claim to mecca and demand some equal sharing of the kabba stone.

Time to soil mohammads holy room for a change.

Your defense of Israel lacks any substance on Israel. Perhaps because the actions in question are indefensible.

My defense of Israel is the only moral stand a human being can make. To do any less is to accept the anarchy of a barbaric 7th century ideology. Your stand is the indefensible one. Barbarity is easy.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

Koran, 1457 years of history, and the current wave of human debris that the imams convince to blow themselves up because some are more equal than others.

This isn't any of the "few" or "extreme" concepts. This is the way of the beast. Time to call it as it is.

Again, defending Israel by pointing to their victims. Again with a false argument. They blow themselves up as a tactic, not because they see some as more equal than others.

How would you know why these retards blow themselves up? They are being used as a tool for submission after the fact.

Who knows what goes on in their little minds?

How do you know they are retards?

Because if they blew themselves up for anything other than a tactic, say because they see some as more equall than others, then they would not be directing the blowing-up against those that terrorize and oppress them, etc.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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" more PH.D theses"? Big Grin

What part of that gave you trouble?

Go look it up. I am not spoon feeding you.

The part where you percieve it to be relevant to your 'defense of Israel'.

It shows the superiority of free-thinking and industry. The Jordyptians showed their mettle by destroying the greenhouses.

They still haven't rebuilt them have they?

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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I defend free-thinking people everywhere. It is the koran that destroys the mind and tells a billion people how to wipe their ass and kills them if they do not "submit."

Again, you are pointing to the Koran as your 'defense of Israel'?

Koran, 1457 years of history, and the current wave of human debris that the imams convince to blow themselves up because some are more equal than others.

This isn't any of the "few" or "extreme" concepts. This is the way of the beast. Time to call it as it is.

Again, defending Israel by pointing to their victims. Again with a false argument. They blow themselves up as a tactic, not because they see some as more equal than others.

How would you know why these retards blow themselves up? They are being used as a tool for submission after the fact.

Who knows what goes on in their little minds?

How do you know they are retards?

Because if they blew themselves up for anything other than a tactic, say because they see some as more equall than others, then they would not be directing the blowing-up against those that terrorize and oppress them, etc.

Because only a retard would kill themselves in this manner. Even the koran forbids them from doing this as their mutilated body will not be allowed into allahs heaven, but the imams get away with telling them the 72 virgin bit and nobody dares speak up.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
My defense of Israel is unwavering. It is time to lay claim to mecca and demand some equal sharing of the kabba stone.

Time to soil mohammads holy room for a change.

Your defense of Israel lacks any substance on Israel. Perhaps because the actions in question are indefensible.

My defense of Israel is the only moral stand a human being can make. To do any less is to accept the anarchy of a barbaric 7th century ideology. Your stand is the indefensible one. Barbarity is easy.

Maybe you believe that. You are either with us with the terrorists mentality comes to mind.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
My defense of Israel is unwavering. It is time to lay claim to mecca and demand some equal sharing of the kabba stone.

Time to soil mohammads holy room for a change.

Your defense of Israel lacks any substance on Israel. Perhaps because the actions in question are indefensible.

My defense of Israel is the only moral stand a human being can make. To do any less is to accept the anarchy of a barbaric 7th century ideology. Your stand is the indefensible one. Barbarity is easy.

Maybe you believe that. You are either with us with the terrorists mentality comes to mind.

I have a moral compass and I have done my homework. You stand for nothing. You are the ultimate waste of cellulite.

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Originally posted by Camp:
That all you got?

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Originally posted by Camp:
The chains of mohammads submission are still rattling in the 21 st century.

I do not think even he would have thought people enough to stick to the program that long.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
That all you got?

Eh?


All you have to defend Israel is an argument that their victims are associated with an ideogy that they dont actually follow. Typically absurd.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
The chains of mohammads submission are still rattling in the 21 st century.

I do not think even he would have thought people enough to stick to the program that long.

Just like with the Indonesian takeover of East Timor example? Remember how you got that one wrong too?

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
So although parts of your argument are false and unsubstantiated, you hold it up as your 'defense of Israel'.

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"medieval mentality" "warring with the civilized world" "desert creators" "incapable" "Palestinians are scavengers"

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
That all you got?

Eh?


All you have to defend Israel is an argument that their victims are associated with an ideogy that they dont actually follow. Typically absurd.

Your victims are the ones calling for world domination.

You keep glossing over that little tidbit.

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Originally posted by mmissinglink:
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Israel's decades old 'peace' plan continues with these recent acts of 'kindness'


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Israel kills six Palestinians
Palestine-Israel, Military, 3/7/2006

Four Palestinians including two children were killed as one Israeli military plane bombarded one car in al-Shujaeeya quarters east of Gaza.

The Israeli occupation army said that its planes fired missiles at a car occupied by activists of Saraya al-Quds ( Jerusalem groups), the military wing of the Islamic Jihad movement east of Gaza city.

Medical sources said that two members of al-Jihad movement were killed in the raid where nine passerby were injured including one youngster and several women during the bombardment.

Saraya al-Quds, the military wing of the Islamic Jihad movement, vowed to retaliate to this "crime and other crimes recently committed by the Zionist enemy" by striking back in the" heart of the Zionist entity."

Two young Palestinians were killed in one explosions that took place to the east of al-Bureij quarters for the Palestinian refugees which is situated in Gaza.

Al-Jazeera satellite TV said that the two Palestinian brothers aging 12 and 13 years and were killed as they were playing in a suspicious material that was blown up in their hands. An Israeli military spokesman denied involvement of the Israeli army in this explosion.

News source



Israeli forces kill 4 Palestinians, demolish houses
Palestine-Israel, Politics, 3/6/2006

WAFA reported today that four Palesintians, including one child, "were killed and several others wounded, during a fresh Israeli raid on Gaza, medical sources said... Ministry of Health identified two of the victims as Moneer Sokkar and Ashraf Shallof, adding that the bodies of the casualties were ripped apart."

WAFA added, the Israeli Occupation Forces today handed al-Hmedan family warrants "to demolish their houses in the West Bank (WB) village of an-Nouman near Bethlehem...(to) build a military camp and a settlement on the lands of an-Nouman village."

News source



Jewish attack targeting Beshara church in al-Nasera
Palestine-Israel, Politics, 3/4/2006

Sources in al-Beshara church in the Palestinian city of al-Nasera north of Israel said that three Jewish extremist entered the church and threw fire crackers inside it and this resulted in material losses and fears among the attendants.

The Israeli radio quoted security sources that one man and two women were hiding these fire crackers and small gas explosives inside children carriage. Sources of the church confirmed that the three persons were arrested and handed over to the Israeli police while hundreds of the Arabs of 1948 gathered around the church to protect it.

Hundreds of the Israeli police members gathered inside the church and surrounded it to confront the Arab protests and the police fired noise bombs in order to disperse the demonstrators and this resulted in wounding at least two persons according to police sources.

News reports said that the Israeli security detained the three for while inside one of the church's rooms to protect them from the angry people as some of them threatened to kill the man who threw the fire crackers. The Israeli sources said that negotiations were made with the protesters via church officials in order to convince them by the removal of the police and the three detained persons, amid news that the Jewish man was injured at the hands of the angry Palestinians.

Security reinforcement were recalled while news were rumored on an attack which targeted one ambulance believed to have had transported the Jewish man outside the Church.

Worthy mentioning that al-Beshara church in al-Nasera where Christ grew up is one of the most important holy shrine for Christians and also for Muslims. The church was built in the site where it was presumed that Virgin Mary saw the messenger of God who told her about the coming of Jesus Christ.

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Israel leaves Gaza agriculture in crisis
Thursday 02 March 2006 1:22 PM GMT

Israeli soldiers at the al-Mintar (Karni) crossing

Agriculture in the Gaza Strip is on the verge of collapse as Israel's economic stranglehold starts to bite.

The Palestine Economic Development Company (PED) says repeated Israeli closures of the export terminal at al-Mintar (Karni) is jeopardising the livelihoods of 4000 Palestinian workers and their families.

The PED manages the Gaza Agricultural Project (GAP), which runs the greenhouses in the territory that were evacuated by illegal Israeli settlers in August and which earned their Jewish owners millions of dollars in export revenue.

The Karni cargo crossing, built in 1993 at the eastern end of Gaza, was built for Palestinians to import and export produce to Israel and the outside world. An estimated 800 lorries pass through it daily.

The agriculture sector in Gaza, a lifeline of income and employment in the impoverished and overcrowded territory, has incurred an estimated loss of €57 million ($68 million) during 35 days of recent Karni closures, it said.

"The entire Palestinian agricultural sector in Gaza is on the verge of collapsing due to the continuous Israeli closure of Karni," PED said.

Karni is the only crossing point for goods from the Gaza Strip and has been repeatedly closed by Israel in a tactic seen as collective punishment by the Palestinians.

"If the closure continues, the entire GAP project will eventually collapse," PED added in a statement.

Latest problems

Israel, on the grounds of security, regularly closes Karni, which was on Thursday closed for the ninth consecutive day.

On Wednesday, Palestinian officials said they had been told by Israel that the crossing would reopen on Thursday. Later, Israel said it would not reopen because Palestinians were still firing rockets toward Israeli points in the area.

Palestinian resistance fighters frequently fire homemade rockets towards Israel, but they rarely cause any casualties.

Salim Abu Safiya, director-general of the Palestinian Border Authority, said: "The continued closure is causing humanitarian and economic harm to the Palestinian people, and threatening a real shortage in food supplies."

Palestinian farmers had planned to dump hundreds of tons of produce that had nearly spoiled while waiting at the crossing to be exported to Israel and Europe.

Palestinians in Gaza can also suffer shortages of basic foodstuffs, such as milk, when the border is closed.

News source



Israeli raid kills five Palestinians
Monday 06 March 2006 4:24 PM GMT

Witnesses say the vehicle exploded into a ball of flames

Five Palestinians, including two members of Islamic Jihad and an eight-year-old child, have been killed in an Israeli air attack on a vehicle in Gaza City.

Seven bystanders, most of them children, were wounded in the attack.

An Israeli army spokeswoman confirmed that the military carried out the attack on a wanted member of the Islamic Jihad.

Witnesses and Palestinian security sources said the two activists, whose names were not immediately known, were travelling in the car when it exploded into a ball of flames on Monday.

Witnesses said the eight-year-old boy was killed while standing close to the car.

Two others, boys aged 14 and 15, also died, a hospital official said.

Sources said at least one rocket was fired from an Israeli occupation army aircraft into the car as it drove down Salah al-Din Street in the Gaza City centre.

'Massacre'

Seven others, mostly children,
were wounded in the attack

An Israeli military source said one of the activists killed was involved in rocket attacks against Israel.

Hamas, which is forming a government after winning Palestinian parliamentary elections in January, called the air strike a "massacre".

Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, said that "if the international community remains quiet the situation will explode."

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, said it was a dangerous escalation against the Palestinian people.

Monday's deaths bring to 4975 the number of people killed since the outbreak of the second Palestinian uprising (intifada) in 2000.

More than three-quarters of the victims have been Palestinian.

Ehud Olmert, the acting Israeli prime minister, on Thursday lifted restrictions on the Israeli army in its operations against the Palestinian resistance movements.

News source



West Bank playground demolished
Wednesday 22 February 2006 5:34 PM GMT

Troops moved in with a bulldozer for the demolition

The Israeli occupation army has bulldozed a US-funded public park, including a children's playground and swimming pool, in a West Bank village, witnesses and officials said.

The bulldozer, protected by a force of Israeli soldiers, demolished the park in Azzun, close to the northern town of Qalqilya on Wednesday, on the grounds that it had been built without permission of the Israeli authorities in the occupied territory.

Construction work on the park had begun in November and was almost completed, the mayor of Azzun, Ihsan Abd al-Latif, said.

USAID

He said that the project, which cost around $120,000, had been financed by the US Agency for International Development (USAid).

"I can confirm that the park that was destroyed today was funded by USAid"

Anna-Maija Litvak,
Spokesman, USAid

"I can confirm that the park that was destroyed today was funded by USAid," a spokeswoman for the agency, Anna-Maija Litvak, told AFP.

The spokeswoman added that USAid had contributed around $80,000 towards the cost.

No immediate reaction was available from the Israeli army, which regularly demolishes buildings that it says have been constructed without authorisation.

The army also destroyed two houses built without permission in two other villages in the Qalqilya area on Wednesday, according to Palestinian security sources.

Child wounded

Also on Wednesday, a four-year-old Palestinian boy was seriously wounded when he was hit in the face by fragments of an Israeli shell in the Gaza Strip, medical sources and witnesses said.

Ismail Shueider was being treated in Gaza's Shifaa hospital after a shell hit an apartment block in the town of Bait Hanun which is situated close to an area which was recently declared a "no-go zone" by the Israeli military.

Palestinians were detained
elsewhere in the West Bank

Shortly before the bombardment, Palestinian fighters had been seen firing makeshift rockets from northern Gaza into Israel. The firing was claimed by members of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, an armed offshoot of the mainstream Fatah faction.

An army spokeswoman said that the report of a child being injured were being investigated.

"We are still looking into what exactly happened," she said.

Palestinians detained

Also in the occupied West Bank, six Palestinians, including three members of the newly elected Hamas movement, were arrested overnight by Israeli security services.

All six, which also included two members of the Islamic Jihad movement, had been on an Israeli wanted list, military sources said.

The army meanwhile said that the Karni terminal on the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip would remain closed after an explosion in the area on Tuesday night.

Soldiers were carrying out searches to determine the cause of the blast near the crossing which is the main transit point for merchandise.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
The chains of mohammads submission are still rattling in the 21 st century.

I do not think even he would have thought people enough to stick to the program that long.

Just like with the Indonesian takeover of East Timor example? Remember how you got that one wrong too?

Just another battle in the global jihad. Noam and you were accidentally on the right side here.

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Originally posted by Camp:

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
So although parts of your argument are false and unsubstantiated, you hold it up as your 'defense of Israel'.

I hold nothing up. I see the cancer that is mohammadism and I defy it to continue to spread.

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Originally posted by Gnarlodious:

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"medieval mentality" "warring with the civilized world" "desert creators" "incapable" "Palestinians are scavengers"

Very good synopsis, Sunrise, thank you for the contribution.
I just wonder if you have ever been to an Arab country. I wonder if you have ever seen the overpopulated masses living in their own filth.
The difference between you and me, Sunrise, is that you deny what the Arabs are while you blame it on the Israelis. I, on the other hand, hope the Arabs can improve and join the modern world. Essentially, then, my view is more progressive than yours. In the end we are both just yammering away, because nothing we do will effect their situation.

It has been an interesting experience reading your point of view over these months. I have decided you are a "Sentimentalist". "Sentimentalism" was an idealogical movement back in the 1800's that denied the value of progress and upheld the primitive people and lifestyle as "uncorrupted by commerce". Primitives were "incapable of evil" because all evil was a result of modern corruption. Various "Noble Savage" myths such as Tarzan were a result of the Sentimentalist movement.

Sentimentalists were a type of Luddites, but rejected social progress rather than technological progress. Sentimentalism, being Romantic in nature, overtoook scientists and caused many setbacks in anthropology and archaeology.

That is why I think your views are so far off the deep end, because they are Romanticizations. To others, they might make perfect sense.

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Originally posted by Camp:
Your delusional and wrong.

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:

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Originally posted by Camp:
Your delusional and wrong.

About what?

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Originally posted by sunrise part two:
Gnarly, Camp, your efforts to defend Israel are akin to defending a rapist by pointing to what the victim was wearing.

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Originally posted by Gnarlodious:
Romanticizations, Sunrise.

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Gnarly, Camp, your efforts to defend Israel are akin to defending a rapist by pointing to what the victim was wearing.

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Victimizing mohammads minions. It is their dogma that creates the turmoil.

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Defending Israel is needed thanks to the imperial desire of the one "true" religion.

Their claim to the al-aqusa mosque as the third holiest site in islam is a joke. It comes from a dream mohammad had in a cave. He was never there.

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After the Crusaders were expelled the land of Israel was not occupied by the conquerers of Sal al-din, but was razed out of contempt and fear of a new Crusade.

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The reality of today is that Israel has prospered despite the combined efforts of all its Arab neighbors.

Isreal could have destroyed the Egyptian army in 1973, but did not thanks to the US.

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Saudi Arabia does not allow any products of Israel into its kingdom.

Why is that?

Is that compatable with a new world order?

Or is it just hate and contempt?

The koran is the ultimate book of division. Submit or prepare for war when islam is froggy enough to make a leap.

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Playing the blame game is not a step up from the bigot-hater card.

Do you know what halal is?