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quote: Brothers Charged in Terror Plot Lived Illegally in U.S. for 23 Years Associate Press
Three brothers charged in the alleged Fort Dix terror plot have been living illegally in the U.S. for more than 23 years and were accepted as Americans by neighbors and friends who had no idea they would scheme to attack military bases and slaughter GIs.
A federal law enforcement source confirmed to FOX News that the three Dritan "Anthony" or "Tony" Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23 also accumulated 19 traffic citations, but because they operated in "sanctuary cites," where law enforcement does not routinely report illegal immigrants to homeland security, none of the tickets raised red flags...
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| Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005 |  |
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Thought we were going to fight them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here.
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| Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007 |  |
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Like the reasons for the war the "War On Terror" itself keeps getting redefined. We heard Fight them over there, Fight them here...What's next, fight them in YOUR bedroom. Fight them at YOUR Bible Study? Fight them at your book burning?
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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quote: Yes, prayer needs to be returned to schools, and Ten Commandments publicly displayed. None were stoned, raped, hanged, beheaded, or dismembered by these displays and practices. None are forced or die according to these dispalys and practices.
That's "Sharia Law." Of course it's a different religion that wants these rules in the Arab world but you have to admit that it's the same thing.
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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How many gay people have been beat up by white Christians because their teachings say it's wrong?
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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Oh, yes, don't forget the whole war in Iraq. You just love it when we kill brown Muslims. If only we could do it here.
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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quote: How many gay people have been beat up by white Christians because their teachings say it's wrong
0 quote: You just love it when we kill brown Muslims
Why are you soooo racist? Were americans, we like killing everyone equally.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |  |
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How many Jews have been beat up because white Christians think it goes against what is right?
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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quote: Why are you soooo racist? Were americans, we like killing everyone equally.
 I thought so.
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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quote: Left Behind: Eternal Forces is causing a controversy among Christians who are for and against the game's relgious violence. Left Behind: Eternal Forces is causing a controversy among Christians who are for and against the game's relgious violence.
"It's faith-based killing that teaches God wants people dead if they don't see Christ as you do," says the Rev. Tim Simpson, head of Christian Alliance for Progress, who has played the game. "Jesus would turn the other cheek."
Shooting back in self-defense, conservative Christians and the game's producers say the computer game battles are all between good and evil, with no explosive blood or gore. They say it takes spiritual weaponry, not firepower, to win.
"These groups don't attack other violent video games. Their real attack is on our theology," says Tim LaHaye, co-author of the novels, who endorsed the game.
SEE THE GAME: The 'Eternal Forces' website | CEO's statement on the controversy
And the game isn't about mindless violence, says Jeffrey Frichner, president and co-founder of Left Behind Games. True, he says, "Players can engage in battle, fire guns, even kill innocents in the game, but there will be severe consequences. In fact, you can win this game without ever firing a shot, using weapons of spiritual means, such as prayer and worship."
If a player increases his force's spiritual strength, angels will even come to his assistance. But it's the action, not the angels, that has put the game in 10,000 locations, including Wal-Mart and Circuit City, since its November release, he says.
Spokeswomen for both chains said Wednesday they have no plans to discontinue sales.
"It's selling like crazy here," says Brian Bridges, a clerk at the Manassas, Va., branch of Family Christian Stores, where a $59.99 collector's version includes a Bible.
The Campaign to Defend the Constitution, an alliance of groups including Simpson's, launched its attack on the game this week. Simpson calls Frichner's descriptions "weasel words."
Simpson says it's true that "once you do a kill, it causes your 'spiritual points' in the game to go down, but all you need to do is pray and you're good to go again , as if nothing else happened," says Simpson.
He adds that the bad guys are non-Christians and that a stand-in for the United Nations is portrayed as the army of the Anti-christ, the embodiment of evil.
Alliance co-founder Clark Stevens says they've rallied 26,000 e-mails so far to Wal-Mart, because the game "advocates intolerance toward other religions."
New Testament scholars have long objected to a literal reading of Revelation, the Bible's final book.
A violent video game for Jesus is ironic, says Craig Hill, professor of New Testament at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C. "Jesus saw the great enemy as evil, which is in all of us, not something at which we can fire bullets."
Ultimately, the battle over the game may be a win for both sides, "in the real war, the one for attention," says Nancy Ammerman, a sociologist of religion at Boston University. Now's the time of year, she says, when people try to score points for their religious views.
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| Posts: 3527 | Location: Earth | Registered: 22 May 2003 |  |
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AS long as GG thinks God wants people to do His killing for Him, you'll never convince her otherwise. Islamic Fundamentalists share the same thinking.
If God wanted someone to drop dead, they would drop dead. If someone thinks they have to do His killing, they are killing someone He didn't think should drop dead. Very simple. It's called murder.
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| Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007 |  |
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quote: Originally posted by polycarp: AS long as GG thinks God wants people to do His killing for Him, you'll never convince her otherwise. Islamic Fundamentalists share the same thinking.
If God wanted someone to drop dead, they would drop dead. If someone thinks they have to do His killing, they are killing someone He didn't think should drop dead. Very simple. It's called murder.
Retired Monk
How disgusting this response is, polycarp. I would have thought better of you. You have purposely taken headlines as speaking authority of Popes JPII and Benedict XVI. The headlines were driven by intentional blame US and George Bush biases, and purposed sound bites to comfort terrorist's/IslamoFASCISM's metastasizing. There are no mandates to kill non-Christians and rule the world in any Christian or Catholic teaching. Quite the contrary.
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| Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005 |  |
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quote: quote: Yes, prayer needs to be returned to schools, and Ten Commandments publicly displayed. None were stoned, raped, hanged, beheaded, or dismembered by these displays and practices. None are forced or die according to these dispalys and practices.
That's "Sharia Law." Of course it's a different religion that wants these rules in the Arab world but you have to admit that it's the same thing.
What portion of your brain is that out of? You know better, AJ!!! Women are not slaves by Christian believes, they are not stoned, raped, hung from cranes. Children do not wear bombs. Men are not promised multiple virgins in the after life if they kill crowds of people in this life. Christianity is FOR ALL, but not forced upon. quote: "It's faith-based killing that teaches God wants people dead if they don't see Christ as you do," says the Rev. Tim Simpson, head of Christian Alliance for Progress, who has played the game. "Jesus would turn the other cheek." that's what happens, AJ when one denies the scriptural teaching of one appointed to be a servant to scripture. Peaceful Muslims recognize the lack of a spiritual head in the Muslim world is the cause of Islamofascism.
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| Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005 |  |
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GG, there are no mandates to kill anyone, so why do you insist we should? Pope John Paul said, this war "is immoral, illegal, and unjustified".
Stop burying your head in the sand and read his statement.
You do the same as neo-cons. Take a fact followed by a contradictory statement, or by a statement that has nothing to do with the original fact. You assume much.
Example: Oregon spending 10 times more on Human Services than Colo. must mean the gov't of Oregon is inept and wasting money....ignoring the fact that Colo. does not fully fund gov't. programs. Oregon probably does, but I would have to see comparitive data on funding to determine if that is so or not. Knowing Colo. tax structure, it probably is so.
You do the same with religion. You quote beautiful teachings and words, then assume they mean something else, and make postings contrary to them.
Pope John Paul said this war "is immoral, illegal and unjustified". I realize reading his words may cause you to re-examine your position. So just go thru the discomfort and see the truth of what he said. Stop lying about it to others and to yourself.
A lie repeated often enough may become the truth for some...but not for me.
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| Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007 |  |
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polycarp quote: Pope John Paul said this war "is immoral, illegal and unjustified".
Once again, polycarp, I did not take or look at a pole; I did not take consensus of opinion, nor did I take the 'popular route'. The headlines are sound bites = are the reporter's own interpretation like protestants do with Sacred Scripture. Why would I take the interpretation of a secularist? Once again it just amazes me how they will USE the Catholic Church when it perceives to have taken a "politically correct" position - grabbing at anything to discredit the current Presidential administration. I don't see you acknowledging the major mover's of the democrat party's statements of the growing threat in the mid east and their approval for "shock & awe," but instead find it expedient to blame George Bush for wrong information and not assuming responsibility for their own action. If they could have so easily been misled then what else have they so cleverly misunderstood for the sake of regaining power in the White House? George Weigel wrote the biography of Pope John Paul II and understands EXPLICITLY the Pope's intention in regards to the Iraqi War. Of course he advised all else before, but he was not blind to the fact THAT IS WAS NOT WORKING. In the words of George Weigel, "Who would have imagined, fifty years ago, that much of American liberalism, rather than make the moral political case for deposing a genocidal maniac, would find itself in de fact alliance with the status-quo forces in world politics. -it is criteria in a classic way: that is, by understanding the criteria as a demanding yet supple framework for morally informed political reasoning about the achievement of morally worthy political ends - - ". http://www.firstthings.com/article.phy3$id_article=115&var_recherche=Iraqi+War
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quote: FAITH UNDER FIRE Hindus force Christians to 'reconvert' Attack is just a part of increasing worldwide antagonism Hindus have confronted a group of Christian evangelists, forcing them into a nearby village temple to perform a ritual to "reconvert" them to the Hindu religion, according to a new report from the Voice of the Martyrs which is documenting some of the increasing persecution by Hindus around the world. While this most recent physical attack was reported by VOM sources inside the Indian state of Orissa, other attacks – albeit verbal – also have reached into the United States. WND recently reported that Hindus have been launching a series of attacks against Christian organizations dedicated to promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. A report from the Hindu American Foundation accused a long list of Christian organizations, including some providing aid in India, of promoting hatred. "The proliferation of websites promoting religious hatred is an unfortunate consequence of the universality of access to the internet," said Vinay Vallabh, the lead author of the report. Among those targeted verbally included the Southern Baptists' missions board, Gospel for Asia and the Minnesota-based Olive Tree Ministries, which aims its ministry at teaching Christians about their beliefs. .. While the attacks in the United States have so far remained verbal, those within India almost always result in physical violence, according to VOM. In Orissa, more than 15 Hindus stopped a small number of Christian evangelists on a village road, verbally abused them, and then forced them into the local temple for the ritual, the report said. link
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| Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005 |  |
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Well GG, the above report is probably true when it accuses Christians of promoting hatred. So-called christians do it here, why not there?
If I were a Hindu, I'd drive them out too! The example of Mother Teresa won't last forever with these right-wing christian nuts following behind her.
If you thinking killing and arresting Iraqis is going to convert them, you are just as wrong here too. It will just beget hatred.
This war is "immoral, unjust and illegal". - Pope John Paul. I heard him say it, GG. Your priest probably did too. Ask him if you dare.
Stop promoting hate and intolerance for the right-wing "christian nut" in the White House.
Retired Monk
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| Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007 |  |
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GG, the problem with Islam as it is ppracticed in fundamentalist countries like Iran is that Islam fell under the influence of people who mirror you in a lot of ways. The citation from the Ayatollah is based on his opinion, not on the Quran. Nothing in the Quran backs him up. And for centruies, Christians have murdered and tortured people for not being Christians. It was especially rampant during the Reconquista of Spain, and it continued into the 19th century in the United States. Don't get self-righteous. And get this straight. There is NO authority in the Bible to impose your standards of prayer on school children. You are being a bad American and a bad Christian. (Auth: Constitution of the United States of America, 1st Ammendment; Matthew 6:6) Whiney right-wingers with their "I got mine so screw you" attitude, and the impoverishment of large sections of the population and the resultant despare that that brings have contributed greatly to the rise in crime. Violence against women is more in keeping with the right-wing philosophy that men are the rightful leaders of society. The fundie Christian view that the Bible says that women should be submissive little slaves to their husbands is a contributing factor. Every time that the left tries to bring up laws that make it especially heinous to harm a woman, the right tries to subvert it to ban abortion. Like that really helps. STDs may be in part the fault of the GOP's subversion of sex education, feeding kids a load of total BS about the inefficacy of wearing a rubber. "Just say no to sex" has NEVER worked. Can you get your narrow Republican mind around this concept? BTW, you might read the Quran sometime. Not the distorted excerpts that bubble-brains like Hannity and Michael Wiener and the fat deaf kiddy fiddling junky read on the air. If you take their interpretation at face value, the Second Surah says that Muslims have to make war against us just for our being Christian. You have to be really stupid to get that interpretation out of it, which is, I guess, why so many right wingnuts buy it.
Gun toting, poetry writing liberal retired Army NCO. Live with it.
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| Posts: 359 | Location: Spanaway, WA | Registered: 19 June 2006 |  |
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I want to piggyback on leftyseargent comments: Islam (and to an extent Christianity) has been "high jacked" by Fundamentalists. Islam use to be a diverse religion, like all religions, with different levels of observance and interpretation. What happened was during the colonial periods, under British and French Occupations, there developed an intellectual class called the "Arab Nationalist" who attempted to organize the people against colonial rule. They were predominantly free thinkers who advocated secular independent governments free from foreign Influence. The Colonial powers, seeing them as a threat to their rule, systemically killed them off. The clerics steeped in to fill the gap. Add billions of petro dollars and you have the problems we have today. GG: Stop trying to create another Crusades. The last Crusade gave us the "Black Plague".
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
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| Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006 |  |
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quote: GG, the problem with Islam as it is ppracticed in fundamentalist countries like Iran is that Islam fell under the influence of people who mirror you in a lot of ways.
Surprisingly, there is the tinniest kernel of truth here, although I can't say that about GG because I don't know her. I think it's smart to actually know a person before the stereotypes start to fly. One thing I will say is that fundamentalists tend to view their dogma as inflexible rules of conduct. That's where the similarity ends with Islamic and Christian fundamentalists. Christians and pro abortionists both believe that killing children isn't such a good idea. On the other hand, I've seen a couple on an airplane, never mind. Christians and pro abortionists both believe that killing children isn't a good idea. They disagree about when childhood starts. Is it in or out of the womb is the issue. On the other hand, Islamic fundamentalists believe that killing children is just fine any time, as happened in a Kurdish village to a young girl recently who fell in love with a Shia boy. Painting Christian and Islamic fundamentalists with the same brush in disingenuous at best.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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