bill king

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Actually we don't...

TV evangelist Jerry Falwell dies at 73

The United States has lost a good man of wholesome values.

polycarp

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"Ideology is a disease"

Are you referring to the ideology of unappeasable global jihad effort?

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Iraq New Epicenter for Al-Qaida

Iraq has become the new epicenter for al-Qaida cells waging holy war against the West, one of the world's foremost experts on terror said Tuesday.

If the U.S.-led coalition forces pulled out of Iraq now, attacks in Europe would increase and troops would have to go back in two to three years, said Rohan Gunaratna, the head of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore.

"The epicenter has shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq," he told a conference of business leaders on how to prepare for terror threats.

Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who replaced Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the al-Qaida chain of command, has been building a support base in Europe, he said. Al-Masri, an Egyptian militant, was endorsed by Osama bin Laden after Zarqawi was killed last June by a U.S. airstrike.

Al-Masri is believed to have joined the "jihad" or "holy war" in the 1980s and has close ties with Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader. That means al-Qaida in Iraq is likely to be drawn closer to the mainstream al-Qaida leadership than under Zarqawi, a Jordanian who ran his operation in Iraq with great autonomy until his death.

Gunaratna said most al-Qaida cells, including north African cells, had people in Iraq. They present a real risk because they see the West as a threat to their way of life, he said.
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bill king

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Actually we don't...

TV evangelist Jerry Falwell dies at 73


The United States has lost a good man of wholesome values.

Yup. 'Wholesome'. Like a snowflake melting on the eyelash of a startled deer.

The guy was a bigot and a charlatan. Oh right ......... just like Jesus.

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What the Catholic teaches is proposed not imposed, believes in freedom of will, and no one gets beheaded nor considered a slave class if not accepted.

got caught in a lie once again GG. so noone died or suffered in the inquisitions? noone died in the crusades? so native americans were not killed if they didnt convert? and christians didnt drown "witches" because they believed diffently? you spew more lies than satan himself. are you the anti christ gg?

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The United States has lost a good man of wholesome values.

so someone who WISHES a hurricane to destroy orlando florida is a good man? so someone who proclaims that a poor man has an easier time of reaching heaven but is greedy himself is a good man? so someone who preaches violence against those not conforming to his morals is of wholesome value?

get real GG. farwell should have died along time ago. people like him, cal thomas, and other founders of the 80s religious movement should all be thrown to the lions.

btw GG, you say that christians dont kill in the name of christ? what did Eric randolf do then? he only bombed the atlanta olympics and some abortion clinics. but you probably justify this behavior, as you do most unnatural deaths. why do you contradict yourself so much, old senile one?

fisherman

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because thats exactly what you are! you denounce abortion, yet advocate an illegal, unjust war (in your popes own words) that kills many many people though unnatural ways. you see gg, you cant have it one way and then turn around and say that war is good at the same time. you know why? because your statements contradict yourself

Don't you get it fisherman? Have you heard any of the global jidadists calling for a peace talk, or making any attempts towards a resolution for peace.

We now have THREE missing American soldiers by an al Quaeda group and from that same patrol were found MUTILATED BODIES of OUR American soldiers. You fail to understand the enemy.

You just don't get!!

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btw GG, you say that christians dont kill in the name of christ? what did Eric randolf do then? he only bombed the atlanta olympics and some abortion clinics. but you probably justify this behavior, as you do most unnatural deaths. why do you contradict yourself so much, old senile one?

There is not a pro life group that would sanction these actions.

I might not have time today, but I have a really good history lesson to give to you on the Crusades.

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Don't you get it fisherman? Have you heard any of the global jidadist calling for a peace talk, or making any attempts towards a resolution for peace.

We have THREE missing American soldiers by an al Quaeda group and from that same patrol were found MUTILATED BODIES of our Americans soldiers. You fail to understand the enemy.

You just don't get!!

funny, i never heard farwell or bush calling for peace ever. in fact, bush even said in 2000 (before he was elected) he wanted to be a wartime president. he certainly got his wish. and farwell only advocated violence and "rehabilitation" towards gays and minorities.

when has a christian fundi (like yourself GG) ever clamor towards a resolution for peace. you cant advocate peace at the same time you advocate a war GG. it doesnt work that way.


you are bitching about 3 of our soldiers yet have you ever raised a finger to denounce all the innocent deaths (men, woman, and children) as a result of "coalition of the willing" actions? how many children were ripped into pieces from american bombs? once again, you cant denounce them for taking our troops while advocating innocent iraqi children to be killed. doesnt work that way.

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There is not a pro life group that would sanction these actions.

I might not have time today, but I have a really good history lesson to give to you on the Crusades.

but yet, you didnt denounce the bombings. this can only lead me to assume that you in fact approve of them and therefore are not part of a pro life group. your silence, much like the vatican during WW2, leads to only more death GG.

as for your history lesson, dont waste your or my time GG. i have no use, nor any desire to see your fantasy based alternate reality history. it serves no purpose in the real world. i know the history of the crusades. the VAST MAJORITY (not all) were started for political reasons by the roman catholic church. they did not just go to war against just muslims, but also jews, other christians, and even other roman catholics. woman and children were slaughtered in the name of christ, the same ones you say were only defending christianity

Fundie twits are calling for the eradication of Islam now, just as they did in the late dark ages. The modern Crusadersclaim that the Quran requires constant war of extermination against Christians. May be that they think the Quran calls for wars of aggression because they are illiterate. Get a clue. There are English translations of the Quran available.

As for al Qaeda being in iraq now, that is because GWB brought them there. If we go away, the Iraqis will have time to get rid of al Qaeda themselves. The Sunnis do not want al Qaeda trhere. They want jobs in the oil fields and in reconstruction and in the formerly state-run industries that the dirtbag Bremer closed. Shia don't want Wahabis running the insurrgency. The Wahabis came into existance partly to exterminate Shia.

People who think we need to stay are either evil or ill-informed, except the Christian fundies, who are both.

I would greatly like to have feed back on the following article. If I don't post anything else today, right now I consider getting to know why the silencing of our dinosaur media, and the dilemma of the Boston newspapers grappling with this important issue. The article is shocking and UNbelieveable - - -you decide, please read the first 13 pages at least. Here are some highlights of the article:


"Before CAIR and the Flying Imams…the Islamic Society of Boston had already pioneered the use of lawsuits to silence their critics and the media.

…”They fight us with Judaism, so we should fight them with Islam. They fight us with the Torah, so we should fight them with the Koran. If they say ‘the Temple,’ we should say ‘the Al-Aqsa Mosque.’ If they say: ‘We glorify the Sabbath,’ we should say: ‘We glorify the Friday.’ This is how it should be. Religion must lead the war. This is the only way we can win.”…

…”Everything will be on our side and against Jews on [Judgment Day]; at that time, even the stones and the trees will speak, with or without words, and say: ‘Oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there’s a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’ They will point to the Jews…

The words of the Koran [3:113] on this matter are true: ‘They will be humiliated wherever they are found, unless they are protected under a covenant with Allah, or a covenant with another people. They have incurred Allah’s wrath and they have been afflicted with misery...

“calls for replacing the American government with a caliphate.”

.. the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has threatened to sue the “John Doe” passengers who spoke out about the threat they perceived on the flight that day.

One need only look at the Kingdom itself to see where its image of Islam leads — misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamic supremacism, contempt and the most extreme intolerance for non-Muslims…Jihad.

If a truly moderate, reformed version of Islam is to emerge in the West, it won’t come through funding from the Near East, and it will happen because ordinary Americans insist that emerging institutions and organizations are compatible on a deep level with American values, not simply using the trappings of the Enlightenment West — our tolerance, our courts, our freedom of speech and association — to subvert those very things that make us great. link

"Check out our Spartacus-inspired PSA in support of the citizen John Does threatened by CAIR and the litigious imams for reporting suspicious behavior:

Dear Muslim Terrorist Plotter/Planner/Funder/Enabler/Apologist,

You do not know me. But I am on the lookout for you. You are my enemy. And I am yours.

I am John Doe.

I am traveling on your plane. I am riding on your train. I am at your bus stop. I am on your street. I am in your subway car. I am on your lift.

I am your neighbor. I am your customer. I am your classmate. I am your boss.

I am John Doe.

I will never forget the example of the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 who refused to sit back on 9/11 and let themselves be murdered in the name of Islam without a fight.

I will never forget the passengers and crew members who tackled al Qaeda shoe-bomber Richard Reid on American Airlines Flight 63 before he had a chance to blow up the plane over the Atlantic Ocean.

I will never forget the alertness of actor James Woods, who notified a stewardess that several Arab men sitting in his first-class cabin on an August 2001 flight were behaving strangely. The men turned out to be 9/11 hijackers on a test run.

I will act when homeland security officials ask me to “report suspicious activity.”

I will embrace my local police department’s admonition: “If you see something, say something.”

I am John Doe.

I will protest your Jew-hating, America-bashing “scholars.”

I will petition against your hate-mongering mosque leaders.

I will raise my voice against your subjugation of women and religious minorities.

I will challenge your attempts to indoctrinate my children in our schools.

I will combat your violent propaganda on the Internet.

I am John Doe.

I will support law enforcement initiatives to spy on your operatives, cut off your funding, and disrupt your murderous conspiracies.

I will oppose all attempts to undermine our borders and immigration laws.

I will resist the imposition of sharia principles and sharia law in my taxi cab, my restaurant, my community pool, the halls of Congress, our national monuments, the radio and television airwaves, and all public spaces.

I will not be censored in the name of tolerance.

I will not be cowed by your Beltway lobbying groups in moderate clothing. I will not cringe when you shriek about “profiling” or “Islamophobia.”

I will put my family’s safety above sensitivity. I will put my country above multiculturalism.

I will not submit to your will. I will not be intimidated.

I am John Doe." link

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I will not submit to your will. I will not be intimidated.

And yet .... you so obviously are.

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Originally posted by KennyMac:

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I will not submit to your will. I will not be intimidated.

And yet .... you so obviously are.

Not me, KennyMac, but the "Enlightened" ones are I fear for it tickles their ears.

but you are intimidated GG. you have given it to the fear factor sold by the bush administration.

let me guess, when all the anthrax stuff was going on years ago, i bet you went out and bought tape and plastic to put over your windows and doors in case an attack broke out

you also probably checked the "alert level" on a daily basis. its orange right now, but yet i feel just as safe as when it was green, yellow, or red. do you alter your routine based on what the government says is a threat?

do you avoid going out in the rain or driving a car GG? because statistically, you have a better chance getting struck by lighting or dying in a car crash then being killed in a terrorist attack. you even have better odds of getting attacked by a shark or an alligator than dying in a terrorist attack.

do you avoid right winged christians? you should! after all, it was a christian that bombed the olympics in atlanta and bombed abortion clinics in the southeast. it was also a christian (who claimed god told her) that drowned her children in a tub. andrea yates, are you out there?

it was also a self proclaimed "compassionate christian" who was set out for war even before he was elected to office. what good is being a "wartime president" if noone is getting killed?

btw, you little john doe thing should really read:

im john doe!

im going to protect the us constitution, no matter what the christian fundis say.

im going to protect the us constitution, despite bush's desire to destroy and take away our rights

im going to speak out against fundamentalist christians who want their form of christian law imposed onto the world

im going to speak out for religious freedom for ALL religions, not just christianity

im going to treat all humans equally, weather they be white, black, brown, asian, hindu, buddist, christian, or muslim.

i am john doe

im going to speak out against ones who would try to rewrite history and say christianity is a peaceful religion

im going to speak out against those who say that muslims are evil terrorist bent on americas destruction, even though christian fundis have caused much more harm to america than a handful of muslims ever could

im going to supress and stop the actions of people who claim to be against abortion and unnatural death but also say war is good (GG)

im not john doe, im the ftmyersfisherman

Well said, Fisherman.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

"We saw the fall of one so-called superpower (the Soviet Union), Old Sam is next" stated by Iman Musa speaker at UCLA January 21, 2001

A UCLA publication "The Spirit of Jihad", July 1999 - "we should defend our brother (Osama Bin-Ladin) and refer to him as a freedom fighter -

- someone to fight in Allah's cause - - to please Allah." , , , "jihad and the rifle alone" as a means to an Islamic state (November 2000)

JUST TWO days before September 11:

Sheikh Manza Yusuf, ".. This country (America) unfortunately has a great tribulation coming to it. And much of it is already here, yet people are too to illiterate to read the writing on the wall."

Iman Jamil - -"If you don't give us justice. If you don't give us equality. If you don't give us our share of America. If you don't stay out of our way and leave us alone, we're gonna burn America down." link

Well, DUH!

Fundamentalist Christianity has been trying to wipe out Islam since the days of the Messenger.

People can take only so much. You turn this into a religious war, they have to do so too, according to the Quran. (2.surah190-194)

But, also in accordance with that commandment, they must not start a holy war unless attacked. Osama saw our presence in Suadi Arabia as just an on-going Crusade.

Trying to fight all the world's Muslims will bring us down, just as it did the USSR, maybe taking the rest of the world with us.

Take a warning from the Book of Daniel. In Nebuchadrezzer's dream of the idol, the mixed clay and iron pellets represent the forces of Christianity and Islam in conflict. Looks to me like the predictable outcome is destruction for both sides if we cannot come to harmonious terms.

Can't change peoples beliefs with a bullet. But you can get them firing back at you.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

Polycarp, that is basicly what a Muslim must think, in accordance with 2.surah 190-194. Don't start any wars, but do not let anyone suppress your religion by military force.

And, GG, I really think you should read the Quran before you make a total ass of yourself commenting like Hannity, O'Reilly and the fat deaf kiddy-fiddling junky do.

leftysargeant

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And, GG, I really think you should read the Quran before you make a total ass of yourself commenting like Hannity, O'Reilly and the fat deaf kiddy-fiddling junky do.

I can't connect these dots, but these somehow are in correlation to the defeat of the United States of American:

George Soros/Open Borders Society
Greenpeace
Global warming
Global jihadism
CAIR
ACLU
One World Order (banking, religion - -)
Pantheism
Moral relativism
disarmament
ONE WORLD ORDER

Discover the Net Works

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Don't start any wars, but do not let anyone suppress your religion by military force.

Global jihadists have interpreted their readings to instruct them to remove by force if necessary ALL the infidels OR make them a slave class.

You believe (and desire) differently, but you cannot verify its validity.

GG, you are making the mistake of judging all of islam by Osama and the Iranina mullahs. That is like basing all opinions of Christianity on the ideologies of Falwell, Roberston and those more rabid in their hatred of any others.

Were all Christians of the rapture right flavor, the jihadists would have a valid case. Bush makes their case more valid.

Bush, Falwell and Robertson do not speak for all Americans or all Christians any more than Osama and the mullahs speak for Islam.

You want a war of extermination, and God will not suffer that lightly.