this is a question and comment for loganthor. i hope he sees this post, even though he has been mostly absent from this thread.

my comment and question to him, since this is a thread on the war on terror and he also has said iraq is included in that war, what does he have to say about this quote of his:

posted by logan on dec 9th, 2005:

quote:

Therefore, if we still have 150,000 troops in Iraq by summer of 07, I will come back here and join the ranks of the antiwar crowd. But since we have hit every other benchmark that was set, I have confidence that this will go down in history as a great pivotal event and Bush being a Great President

are you a person who keeps his word?

summer is about over. we have 160,000 troops in iraq. and what benchmarks were you refering to and are they still relative at the present time?

i have saved a seat for you for a long time. come, sit down and join the crowd!

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian
Vilar Rodrigez and published in a Spanish newspaper on 5-22-07. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world. =====================================================

REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER Date: Tue, 22 May 2007

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ
By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*)
.......

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Absolutely No Profiling! Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test.

These events are actual events from history. They really happened! Do you remember?

1. 1968 - Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's, a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


6. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847, was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya nd Tanzania were bombed by: a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


13. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.


Our Country and our troops need our support.

And guess who bombed London?


9-11-01 NEVER Forget!

quote:

Originally posted by ftmyersfisherman:
this is a question and comment for loganthor. i hope he sees this post, even though he has been mostly absent from this thread.

my comment and question to him, since this is a thread on the war on terror and he also has said iraq is included in that war, what does he have to say about this quote of his:

posted by logan on dec 9th, 2005:

quote:

Therefore, if we still have 150,000 troops in Iraq by summer of 07, I will come back here and join the ranks of the antiwar crowd. But since we have hit every other benchmark that was set, I have confidence that this will go down in history as a great pivotal event and Bush being a Great President

are you a person who keeps his word?

summer is about over. we have 160,000 troops in iraq. and what benchmarks were you refering to and are they still relative at the present time?

i have saved a seat for you for a long time. come, sit down and join the crowd!

Wow, Log I would never have thought you would have predicted the outcome so successfully.
Bush- The Great President!!

quote:

Wow, Log I would never have thought you would have predicted the outcome so successfully.
Bush- The Great President!!

It is not over yet, Petaraus Report rightfully bought the US another 6 months. If progress continues, Security continues to improve; death statistics continue downward, they might very well buy themselves another 6 month. Hypothetically speaking, If Iraq does in fact blossom into another Japan or Germany. Well…. We’ll let the historians sort it out.

If I was to predict a political outcome with increasing Iraq stability, A majority of the troops will be out of Iraq by the election in 08. Can you guess how it will look to the electoriate for those who have the gut and fortitude to see a problem through to the end instead of ....... well you you know the rhetoric..

Iraqi forces, U.S. Special Forces detain al-Qaeda financier
04 October 2007

BAGHDAD — Iraqi forces, with U.S. Special Forces as advisers, detained two individuals believed to be linked to the al-Qaeda in Iraq criminal network Oct. 2, near Baghdad.
During one of the operations, Soldiers from the 6th Iraqi Army Division detained a suspected al-Qaeda financier in Kindi. The extremist financier is suspected of traveling to foreign countries to acquire financial support for terrorist activities and is suspected of supplying more than $50,000 to al-Qaeda each month. He is believed to have received $100,000,000 this summer from terrorist supporters who cross the Iraq border illegally or fly into Iraq from Italy, Syria and Egypt.

The terrorist is linked to financing cells in Doura, Tarmiyah and Baqubah, and uses a leather merchant business as a front to smuggle weapons and explosives from surrounding countries. Intelligence shows he has stores in Fallujah, Syria and Jordan.

He allegedly employs 40 to 50 extremists who help deliver and emplace improvised explosive devices to attack Iraqi and Coalition Forces. The group allegedly pays cell members $3,000 for each operation.

The financier is additionally linked to purchasing explosives and weapons that were used to destroy the dome of the sacred “Golden Mosque” in 2006 and then re-attacking it in 2007. In April, the suspected terrorist allegedly shot at a Coalition patrol in Al-Mansour, killing three U.S. service members and wounding one.

During a separate operation, Iraqi Special Operations Forces detained a suspected al-Qaeda platoon leader Oct. 2 in Radwaniyah.

The extremist commands 15 men to attack Iraqi and Coalition Forces with IEDs and direct firefights. In April, the leader and his group emplaced and detonated an IED along the main highway in Radwaniyah, injuring several Iraqi Army Soldiers and destroying a tactical vehicle. In May, the group attacked an Iraqi Army traffic control point and killed several Soldiers during the firefight.

No U.S. or Iraqi members were harmed during these operations.

Freedom Facts ::
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Gulf Region Division is constructing 142 Primary Healthcare Centers - worth more than $132 million – across Iraq. Currently, 73 clinics are completed and 23 are open and seeing upwards of 350 patients a day. The program, which is 96 percent complete, is expected to close out in January 2008.



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Here is a link to my translation of "The American Nightmare: Vietnam" by Volker Ulrich:

"The number of killed adversaries-the body count-was made the most important criterion of military success. Identifying a dead Vietnamese as Vietcong was the general rule. In the free fire zones, US armed forces moved in a law-free space in a war without fronts. The whole strategy of Vietname amounted to a deregulation of violence and a brutalization of warfare."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/10/366547.shtml

from Bolton's bio: "...though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he enlisted in the National Guard and did not serve in Vietnam."

This was back when enlisting in the Guard was a way out of service in the war (see George Bush).

Just another loud-mouthed chickenhawk.

quote:

Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell:
from Bolton's bio: "...though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he enlisted in the National Guard and did not serve in Vietnam."

This was back when enlisting in the Guard was a way out of service in the war (see George Bush).

Just another loud-mouthed chickenhawk.

Liberals character assassinate when they cannot make reasonable arguments, - right Brent?

how is brent character assassinating?

the national guard were not sent to vietnam like national guard are being sent to iraq. that is a fact.

therefore alot of people who didnt want to fight in the war joined the NG, where there would be a high, although not 100%, probability that tey wouldnt be sent into combat.

based on those 2 facts, one can certainly say that both bush and bolton attempted to skirt combat by joining the national guard. after all, if one was truely committed to the war, as bolton claims, then they could have easily joined the army, marines, navy, or airforce. but they didnt. so based on that also, one can make reasonable arguements.


speaking of reasonable argeuments, how is your crusade against birthcontrol, abortion, muslims, immigrants, mutanting fish, ect, ect going? in all of those instances, you have failed to properly make a reasonable arguement yourself, yet fault brent for making a good one.

ftmyersfisherman wrote, "debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!"

Why insult caveman?

mnfi_newsletter-bounces@lists.army.mil

quote:

Just another loud-mouthed chickenhawk.

What about the man who protested the Vietnam War by living in a tree. The fire department cleaned out the messes of his excrements? Know who that was?

mnfi_newsletter@lists.army.mil

Wednesday, November 07, 2007
Will MSM Protect Democrats From Victory Happening In Iraq?
Posted by: Duane R. Patterson at 1:58 AM
Michael Yon called the Hugh Hewitt Show today at 3:15 in the morning, Baghdad time. Michael has always been cautious in his reportage of events in the Iraqi front of the war on terror, even referring to Iraq as being in a civil war months before the Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media seized on the term, turning it into a rhetorical political weapon in the 2006 election, and promising to cut and run as soon as they ascended to power.

But today we heard a different side of Michael Yon. He was as upbeat and optimistic as we've ever heard him. He's been all over Iraq during the last several months, and reported that even in Baghdad, hope, peace, reconstruction, support and even appreciation for what our military has done for the Iraqi populace is breaking out all over. http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/645fe332-765f-4ee4-940c-5819a72c2d44

GG posted: "What about the man who protested the Vietnam War by living in a tree. The fire department cleaned out the messes of his excrements? Know who that was?"

But, you see (or maybe not), GG, that person was opposed to the genocide against SE Asia. And, big deal, he shat on the ground. Fertilizer.

Bolton, the chicken-punk, LOVED the genocide against SE Asia, but could not bring himself to risk his own neck.