Pastor Liang Yage's wife was forced to abort their baby seven months into her pregnancy. The couple already have one child, a 12-year-old boy. They were told that having another child would contravene China's one-child policy. . .
Liang Yage and his wife Wei Linrong had one child and believed that — like many other couples — they could pay a fine and keep their second baby. Wei was 7 months pregnant when 10 family planning officials visited her at home on April 16....
Liang describes how they told her that she would have to have an abortion, "You don't have any more room for maneuver," he says they told her. "If you don't go [to the hospital], we'll carry you." The couple was then driven to Youjiang district maternity hospital in Baise city. link
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. . the World Health Organization released a report at WHO's Regional Committee for the Western Pacific that said more than 50 million women were estimated to be "missing" in China because of the institutionalized killing and neglect of girls due to Beijing's population control program that limits parents to one child.
Many of the girls were killed while still in the womb – the victims of ultrasound technology that revealed the baby's sex. Others, WHO said, were starved to death after birth, the victims of violence or were not treated when they became ill.
The report's statistics showed that in 1994, 117 boys were born for every 100 girls in China. That is the same ratio today in China – 10 years later. Though baby girls tend to have a higher survival rate than boys, that natural process has been dramatically reversed in China by infanticide, gross neglect, maltreatment and malnutrition of females in a culture that regards boys as more desirable – especially when couples get only one chance at parenthood. . .
WHO documented what can only be described as the biggest single holocaust in human history – and doing it in a surprisingly clinical and low-key fashion. It was characterized in that WorldNetDaily report, for the first time, as "gendercide," a phrase that has been picked up by other organizations and activists around the globe . . GENDERCIDE
Why have we not heard any protests from the neo-militant, liberated-N.O.W. feminists on gendercide?
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GG: The Womens' groups have been arguing this point for years. Thank all your free trade. Thank Walmart for putting "the China Price" the standard of the world. This is as "anti choice" as it is Anti Abortion.
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Originally posted by James Leo: GG: The Womens' groups have been arguing this point for years. Thank all your free trade. Thank Walmart for putting "the China Price" the standard of the world. This is as "anti choice" as it is Anti Abortion.
GG: You do realize that the government of the U.S. Mariana Islands allows forced abortions by employers?? A Republican Congressional delegation to the islands suggested there be no change in this policy.
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Democracy Now! http://www.democracynow.org As the Bush Administration Withdraws Funds to the UN Population Fund Claiming It Funds Forced Abortion in China, a Look at Coercive Welfare Laws, Forced Sterilization and Forced Foster Care Here in the US
In a move that inspired shock and anger around the world, the Bush administration announced Monday it is withdrawing $34 million from the United Nations Population Fund.
The Fund provides family planning and reproductive health services in 142 countries. According to UNFPA, the funds would have prevented two million unwanted pregnancies and more than 77,000 infant and child deaths.
The US is the only country ever to deny funding to UNFPA for non-budgetary reasons.
The Bush administration claims the UNFPA provides aid to Chinese government agencies that force women to have abortions. This in spite of a recent State Department fact-finding mission which concluded there is no evidence that the program knowingly supports coercive abortion programs.
But the administration does not need to look as far as China for evidence of coercive reproductive policies, forced sterilization, forced foster care, and child exclusion policies.
Today we're going to talk to a legal scholar and social critic who traces a direct line between the eugenics movement, the forced sterilization of black women, and the way the current welfare laws in this country attempt to coerce poor women into having few or no children at all.
For example, the welfare programs in 23 states deny benefits to children born to a family on welfare. The federal "Illegitimacy Ratio program" gives a bonus of $20 to 25 million to the top five states that decrease their ratio of out-of-wedlock births.
But we start with Stirling Scruggs, spokesperson for the United Nations Population Fund.
Guests:
* Stirling Scruggs, spokesperson for the United Nations Population Fund. * Dorothy Roberts, legal scholar and social critic. She is author of "Killing the Black Body: Race, Reproduction, and the Meaning of Liberty," which received the 1998 Myers Center Award for the Study of Human Rights in North America, and most recently, "Shattered Bonds: the Color of Child Welfare." She is a professor at Northwestern University School of Law and a faculty fellow at the Institute for Policy Research.
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Feminist.org: Your daily source for the feminist perspective on national and global events. China Will Continue One-Child Policy Despite Criticism Feminist Daily News Wire March 23, 2006
The National Population and Family Planning Commission of China has announced its intention to continue its one-child per family policy despite allegations of abuse, while stepping up efforts to prevent sex-selection abortions. NPFPCC Director Zhang Weiqing said in an online forum that officials would continue to "unswervingly implement" the policy because higher population would place a strain on the country’s resources, reports Kaiser Network.
The one-child policy, enacted in 1978, has drawn strong criticism from activists and the international community. Last month, Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng spoke to The Guardian about the one-child policy, which he claims has included coerced abortions and sterilization, in addition to intimidation tactics. He is now attempting to launch a lawsuit on behalf of the villagers of the Shandong province who suffered abuses of the one-child policy. Furthermore, sex-selective abortion has favored male children, resulting in a pronounced gender-imbalance in the generation soon to reach maturity.
The effects of the repressive one-child policy are felt most heavily by the poor, due to the ease with which wealthy families can pay fees and have multiple children. According to Xinhua News Service, these families pay the “social maintenance fee,” while those who work for the government abide by the one-child policy out of fear for their jobs, and the poor cannot afford the fees.
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Feminist.org: Your daily source for the feminist perspective on national and global events. Huge Shortage of Girls in China Feminist Daily News Wire March 22, 2004
The United Nations (UN) has reported that China will face a huge shortage of girls that will cause major problems for China's family and social stability if the trend is not changed. In addition, the UN resident coordinator in China, Khalid Malik, stated that the shortage of women will lead to increased sex trafficking of women in China, reports UN Wire.
According to UN Wire, government figures show that there are 100 girls for every 116 boys in China. Other estimates show that there are as few as 100 girls to every 122 boys. Malik has predicted that in another ten years, if this trend continues, there will be 40-60 million more men than women in China. According to United Press International, the shortage of women could lead to a major increase in sex-related crimes such as rape, abduction, and mercenary marriages.
According to the Guardian, China’s one-child policy is putting pressure on couples to make sure their only child is a boy, resulting in cases of female infanticide.
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Media Resources:UN Wire 3/17/04; Guardian 3/9/04; United Press International 3/9/04
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"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
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The National Population and Family Planning Commission of China has announced its intention to continue its one-child per family policy despite allegations of abuse, while stepping up efforts to prevent sex-selection abortions.
From your post - whenever humanbeings correct what they perceive as wrong and force laws upon society/humanity in contradiction to moral/divine/natural law - major imbalances, upheavals and sufferings occur.
Just how successful do you think the Chinese government is going to be continuing in their extreme abuses of forced sterilizations and forced abortions??!! Look what it has created to date - an economic crises, an aging population, and many men have been denied marriage and family - an empty arm syndrome - a society more often by the coffin than by the cradle.
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ust how successful do you think the Chinese government is going to be continuing in their extreme abuses of forced sterilizations and forced abortions??!! Look what it has created to date - an economic crises, an aging population, and many men have been denied marriage and family - an empty arm syndrome - a society more often by the coffin than by the cradle.
You need to ask the CEO and executive board of Wal-Mart, and all of these free Market freaks who believe China is the best thing in the world. Ask all of your republican CEO's who send billions to China every year. When I go shopping and I see the phrase "Made in China'on an item, it goes back on the shelf. Don't blame me, don't blame the progressives and don't you dare blame the Feminists
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GG, I don't particularly care for the Chinese Govt., and we have made their economy the fastest growing in the world. We help them increase their military budget by 20 per cent a year...greatly assisted with the interest they earn from the U.S. for loans.
I wouldn't mind a bit if the current Chinese Gov.'t collapsed, but that would give you a problem....
Without the loans made to us by the Chinese "Communist" Gov't., the u.S. would have difficulty maintaining its armies in Iraq, let alone the continued functioning of other governments Depts....like the FDA that is supposed to protect us from poisen food stuffs coming from....China.
Thankfully, Somebody (a little dog I inherited) didn't get any of it.
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you know, polycarp- that might be the fastest way to end this occupation- wait for the collapse of the Chinese authoritarian-capitalist antireligious government
A Maine senator has proposed legislation to increase abortions in Maine. This is a letter to editor by a friend:
Dear Letters Editor:
Can someone explain to me, very carefully so I can understand, the difference between the student who murdered 32 people at Virginia Tech and the sponsors of LD 1309 in the Maine State Legislature?
This bill will forcibly take money from Maine citizens to pay abortionists to kill the next generation of "poor" people in Maine. Please don't tell me LD 1309 promotes "freedom of choice." The student was exercising his "freedom of choice." What's the difference? If I'm told the student was a madman, I'll ask "What makes the sponsors of LD 1309 sane, then, when they have the same goal, mass murder?
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Don't blame me, don't blame the progressives and don't you dare blame the Feminists
I hope these kinds of issues provokes your senses, and I most definitely do lay this at the feet of the party known as the progressives, and I absolutely DIScredit the Feminists who btw, include men. Many men have been overpowered by Feminaziism and willingly (so it appears) to participate in their dangerous ideologies.
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I wouldn't mind a bit if the current Chinese Gov.'t collapsed, but that would give you a problem....
Without the loans made to us by the Chinese "Communist" Gov't., the u.S. would have difficulty maintaining its armies in Iraq, let alone the continued functioning of other governments Depts....like the FDA that is supposed to protect us from poisen food stuffs coming from....China.
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I wouldn't mind a bit if the current Chinese Gov.'t collapsed, but that would give you a problem....
Without the loans made to us by the Chinese "Communist" Gov't., the u.S. would have difficulty maintaining its armies in Iraq, let alone the continued functioning of other governments Depts....like the FDA that is supposed to protect us from poisen food stuffs coming from....China.
polycarp, is it not the vocation of all to be defenders of all life and all the living and non living?
Are we not responsible to be supportive of representatives who will enact laws for the protection of the human person?
Are we not responsible to elect only those representatives who will enact laws that maintain the principle, the subject and the end of all social institutions to be focused on improvement and safety of personhood?
Are not each person according to gifts given to be actively engaged in personal betterment and its interdependence with the improvement of society? (CCC1881, GS25)
Have you acquiesced to removing all traditional thinking?
What is, is not in cement, and I think of a 2 Chron. 7:14 prayer to change hearts so that we might be moved to cause nations to be flourishing and not collapsing.
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As the Bush Administration Withdraws Funds to the UN Population Fund Claiming It Funds Forced Abortion in China, a Look at Coercive Welfare Laws, Forced Sterilization and Forced Foster Care Here in the US
One of the president's first actions was to stop our tax dollars funding the UNFPA, the UN organization that "works to ensure universal access to reproductive health, including family planning and sexual health to all".
What the proponents of UNFPA really intend is to deny food and medicine to the populations who do not acquiesce to abortions and to sterilizations to both men and women. Unbeknown to many women, they are are sterilized after an abortion. UNFPA shelves are filled to the brim with abortion appliances amd sterilization equipment. Families beg for penacilin and other medical supplies, but are denied or the organization has a very poor supply. Don't be fooled by UNFPA's rhetoric. They are a dangerous organization and Americans have a grave responsibility to stop any future funding.
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Thankfully, Somebody (a little dog I inherited) didn't get any of it.
I see no innocence but a test of resiliency.
See how the British (and the U.S. and the U.N.) caved into Iranians taking some British soldiers as hostages and then Iranians 'returning these soldiers as a gift!' and expecting respect because they did not rape the British daughter.
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I wouldn't mind a bit if the current Chinese Gov.'t collapsed, but that would give you a problem....
Without the loans made to us by the Chinese "Communist" Gov't., the u.S. would have difficulty maintaining its armies in Iraq, let alone the continued functioning of other governments Depts....like the FDA that is supposed to protect us from poisen food stuffs coming from....China.
quote:
I wouldn't mind a bit if the current Chinese Gov.'t collapsed, but that would give you a problem....
Without the loans made to us by the Chinese "Communist" Gov't., the u.S. would have difficulty maintaining its armies in Iraq, let alone the continued functioning of other governments Depts....like the FDA that is supposed to protect us from poisen food stuffs coming from....China.
polycarp, is it not the vocation of all to be defenders of all life and all the living and non living?
Are we not responsible to be supportive of representatives who will enact laws for the protection of the human person?
Are we not responsible to elect only those representatives who will enact laws that maintain the principle, the subject and the end of all social institutions to be focused on improvement and safety of personhood?
Are not each person according to gifts given to be actively engaged in personal betterment and its interdependence with the improvement of society? (CCC1881, GS25)
Have you acquiesced to removing all traditional thinking?
What is, is not in cement, and I think of a 2 Chron. 7:14 prayer to change hearts so that we might be moved to cause nations to be flourishing and not collapsing.
Are not the 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians part of that "all life" you are talking about?
Or the boy in Colo. who died because his family couldn't get an infected tooth pulled?
You are either for ALL life, or you wallow in hypocracy.
I don't approve of abortion. I do approve of providing for social conditions that may lower the abortion rate. To focus on protecting the "unborn", and support killing the born, either directly or indirectly makes no sense.
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To focus on protecting the "unborn", and support killing the born, either directly or indirectly makes no sense.
It is obvious that if we will not defend life from conception we will not defend the living.
Abortion is always wrong; war is sometimes necessary in order not to incur more people dying. No "civilized" humanbeing supports killing the born. Citizens of all nations have inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Violations of human rights must be stopped.
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Or the boy in Colo. who died because his family couldn't get an infected tooth pulled?
Who are the senators & representatives of the state of Colorado, and what are they and other citizens doing to make "true progress", a recognizable difference that does not inflict harm on others?
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Or the boy in Colo. who died because his family couldn't get an infected tooth pulled?
Who are the senators & representatives of the state of Colorado, and what are they and other citizens doing to make "true progress", a recognizable difference that does not inflict harm on others?
Colo. is a conservative state. Colorado has been 50th among all states for even childhood immunizations. Thanks to Democratic control of the legislature, this year it has risen to 16th. Conservative constitutional amendments have ham-strung the state legislature. This is about as good as it gets.
More kids are doing do die because of their parents finances. That is the way it is. Using "conservative thought", there is nothing that can be done except let the kid pull himself up by his bootstraps, work hard, and make wise investments....if he doesn't die first. So, GG what is your solution? How do you stop the next kid from dying tomorrow? One that has already been born.
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Originally posted by BrentBozo: you know, polycarp- that might be the fastest way to end this occupation- wait for the collapse of the Chinese authoritarian-capitalist antireligious government
Actually, if China puts a call on its loans, we'll collapse first.
There is an alterntive to that.... When the U.S. can't raise enough in taxes to pay the interest on the loans that we continue to acrue.
We are living on borrowed money, and borrowed time.
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So, GG what is your solution? How do you stop the next kid from dying tomorrow? One that has already been born.
Stop believing that the liberal democrats want to fix anything? If many as you should, they will lose their power. Creating dependencies has created the imbalances and was never intended to help any one up by their boot straps but to keep them stuck in a rotting system.
Big Daddy government is no grand daddy at all, but is actually crippling our nation. You support that very system that will not give a helping hand, that very system that believes killing from conception and beyond is the answer to economic woes. Creating dependency programs takes away the dignity of people. Without an opportunity to work for what is being given, people on these so called entitlement programs lose their ability and ambition to change all too often. (I know that is not true for all.) Too often social workers, IMO, create the need for their own jobs. Too often clients are put on psycotrophic drugs that removes ambition. (and stirs up Columbines
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