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What was his name......


...sorry, couldn't help myself....lol!

HER name was sandy, but thats besides the point.

Koufax?

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HER name was sandy, but thats besides the point.

Sounds.....abrasive.

fisherman

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HER name was sandy, but thats besides the point.

You entered into an intimate association with sandy(s) and did you not feel her sorrows? Do you not know that a female who "gives" sexual favors for payment or freely given without commitment is a female who suffers tremendously? Her whole person hood has been violated previous to you coming along and taking advantage of her poor psychological condition.

Take your eyes off the horizontal hedonistic trappings, fisherman, and take the time to look up and look within yourself for the noble gentleman who is real within you. Know that you are a gift and focus upon your 'wife to be' that wants you totally for herself and not spoiled with harmful escapades and memories. Do it for yourself, your wife and your family to be. You will never be sorry.

fisherman

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the bible is very contradictory

You focus on what you perceive to be contradictory because you do not see the whole of Sacred Scripture is about the Person of Jesus Christ, human and divine, the Savior of us all.

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where in the bible does it say condoms or birthcontrol is immoral or against the law? it doesnt. once again, you have been brainwashed.

You once expressed you had lost interest in knowing. I'll do the best I can since you brought it up again.

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i pity you GG. i really do. im sure jesus does to. right now hes probably telling god, "forgive her father, for she does not know what she do"

Thank you, fisherman, for praying for me. I'm honored, for I know I'm not perfect (but I'm close , welllllll I'm working on it!)

Part of the problem here is the confusion over the role that sex plays in human evolution. The desire for sex ensures that we reproduce our kind. But just reproducing is hardly all there is to surviving as a species. We need to provide for the well-being of our offspring for some period of time while they develop intellectually. THis is best accomplished when both parents are present. (DUH!) THe biggest difference, sexualy, between humans and bonos and the lower apes is that the female is receptive to sex even outside the context of procreation. It helps bond the family, in that it gives the male a much greater motivation to stick around.

It is natural, in this context, that there would be women who will enjoy sex for its own sake, and will especially desire sexual contact with the one particular man with whom she wishes to raise children. (Gives her a reason beyond money to put up with a man's foibles and occassional idiotic, terstosterone-driven behavior.)

FEar of sex and the surrender of any part of one's self-determination to another may be part of the source of the more extreme restricitions on sex imposed under some religious systems. It may be driving your position, as well, GG.

Or perhaps it is abandonment issues. If you can't produce a child, you have less ability to control any man with whom you have a sexual relationship.

You are not like all women, but you expect them to be like you.

The danger of cancer from birth control pills is actually far less than is the danger of physical exhaustion, osteoporosis, ectopic pregnancy, malnutrition, eclampsia, uncontrolled bleeding in childbirth, a variety of infections, violent mood swings and abject poverty with attendant depression and perhaps infanticidal rage among women who are denied birth control options.

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Part of the problem here is the confusion over the role that sex plays in human evolution.

Human sexuality is a gift of person hood to be both unitive and procreative. Sex with a condom is neither one.

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The desire for sex ensures that we reproduce our kind.

Your bet! Life in the womb from the moment of conception is never a rhinoceros or a zebra, but a unique human person with a separate DNA from the mother.

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But just reproducing is hardly all there is to surviving as a species. We need to provide for the well-being of our offspring for some period of time while they develop intellectually.

People with hope will take care of their own if the interferences of those who lack hope will take their hands off. We need to focus on LIFE first; or for what purpose is anything else.

Also responsible parenting. If one is not ready for parenting, or cares not to care for their progeny, than they can use their natural energies for other worthwhile pursuits (or take a 10 mile hike or a good cold shower, that ought to do it).

Maturity is not perverting sexual copulation to a mere contact sport. Consider how demoralizing that is especially to a female.

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THis is best accomplished when both parents are present. (DUH!)

Yes, and giving themselves totally without withholding any portion of their being. How else is one to know if they are loved for themselves and not just to be utilized?

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It is natural, in this context, that there would be women who will enjoy sex for its own sake,

I think you've been watching too many movies. Any female that has sexual relations outside of marriage has a human story that needs to be told. One of the reasons for promiscuity is a forced abortion(s). Ordinarily, men don't like to ask questions, but to take the time to discover the reason for giving her intimacy freely is because she has been greatly harmed. Hollywood does not want to be bothered to reveal how the natural barriers were broken. The total person is not revealed; the broken hearts gets exploited.

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will especially desire sexual contact with the one particular man with whom she wishes to raise children.

There is not a female on this planet who is disappointed that she had not waited until marriage, and now it's time for her to speak out against any education that teaches otherwise. It just amazes me the women who can’t wait to get young girls on the pill and sexually active. Their human stories have got to be most grievous.

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FEar of sex and the surrender of any part of one's self-determination to another

You make it sound so mechanical - like humans are wind up toys. What do you mean by "one's self-determination to another"?? Sounds like wanting to cross the tigres or something. Sounds like just another human endeavor without compassion or any understanding of human nature.

Some fears are healthy restraints for multiple reasons. These fears actually protect 'FREEDOM'. Where is there freedom when one is enslaved by unrestraind sexual escapades? Where is there freedom when one is polluting their body with chemicals that increase risk of STDS, diseases and early death!!!????

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Or perhaps it is abandonment issues. If you can't produce a child, you have less ability to control any man with whom you have a sexual relationship.

We are all called to natural parenting or spiritual parenting and the interconnectedness of both. That never stops.

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You are not like all women,

You're right! I'm a unique unrepeatable gift, as you and all posters in this forum.

leftysargeant

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You are not like all women, but you expect them to be like you.

This is the statement that delayed me from answering your post. How boring it would be if we were all of the same mindset. Who would I grapple issues with??

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The danger of cancer from birth control pills is actually far less than is the danger of physical exhaustion, osteoporosis, ectopic pregnancy, malnutrition, eclampsia, uncontrolled bleeding in childbirth, a variety of infections, violent mood swings and abject poverty with attendant depression and perhaps infanticidal rage among women who are denied birth control options.

Women having been giving the world human life since the beginning of human civilization. Women love enough to risk. We all risk driving our cars, crossing the street, - - -. All life and living has many risks. Certainly food is killing alot of people and/or poor choices are increasing obesity and diseases. Shall we close down the grocery stores?

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Gun toting,

Good for you. I don't own a gun and I believe that it is a real mistake not to use this freedom not yet stolen from Americans.

Woman are dying because the Cancer institutes fail to inform what is considered politically incorrect.


Reproductive Breast Cancer Risks
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Breast Lobule Maturation
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A woman who has a full-term pregnancy decreases her breast cancer risk. A woman who is childless has increased breast cancer risk.

The longer a woman waits before having her first child, the higher her risk because she has a longer "susceptibility window." For example, a woman who gives birth at 18 has a 50-75% lower risk of breast cancer than a woman who waits until she is 30.
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Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.

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Coercive Population Police In China Ignored By Congress

A few days ago in southern China, rural villagers banded together and decided to fight back against their country's coercive population policy.

When Chinese population police showed up at their door, armed with sledge hammers and cattle prods, many families with more than one child refused to pay their "social child-raising fee." In response, the population police forcibly took their property and destroyed their homes with sledge hammers.

Some poor families would have paid the excessive tax, but they simply couldn't afford it. The population police didn't care. One poor farmer saw his home bulldozed before his very eyes after he told officials he couldn't afford to pay the fines. When he went to a local government office to protest, he returned with broken fingers. His neighbors were outraged. And they fought back.

This recent event was just one of many in a long campaign by the Chinese population police to enforce their so-called "voluntary" one-child policy. Unfortunately, after last week, the villagers couldn't take it anymore.

In recent months, women faced mandatory health checks and forced abortions at the hands of government officials. Poor families faced exhorbitant fines that they simply could not afford.

It breaks my heart to learn that these families were compelled to resort to violence just to defend their livelihood from the violent population police. The Chinese government likes to claim their population policies are "voluntary." The broken homes and broken bones of these villagers tell a very different story.

Coercive Population Police attacks just like these are exactly why the U.S. Government doesn't send your taxpayer dollars to the United Nations Office for Population Assistance, or the UNFPA. After Congress and the State Department found the UNFPA working hand in hand with China's Population Police to implement the coercive one-child policy, funds were cut off.

But the new abortion Congress thinks human rights abuses like these are OK. And they are calling for renewed funding of the UNFPA.
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Please do not let these abuses fall beneath the radar. Tell Congress today that U.S. taxpayers will not stand for these types of abuse!

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GG, any U.S. Congress will not interfere in Chinese practices. The corporate bottom line comes first with Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. If you could get that, you'd save yourself a lot of discussion that can change nothing.

You're up against Walmart, etc. Who do you think has the biggest voice in Congress, you or them? How many millions do you donate to their elections? They donate to BOTH parties. They win no matter who you vote for...and Chinese families lose.

The bottom line comes first. Corporate donors will not risk that by allowing their paid for office holders to offend the Chinese. That's the way it is.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

STUDY: WOMEN HAVING ABORTIONS MORE LIKELY TO BE ABUSED BY PARTNER.

Published by researchers at La Trobe University in Australia, the study finds that women who are abused by their partners are more likely to have an abortion of an unexpected pregnancy than to keep the baby. Women having abortions were also more likely to be from lower income families.

The researchers studied 9,683 young Australian women between the ages of 22 and 27. The information came from the Australian Longitudinal Study of Women's Health, which contains health data compiled by the government.

Women who had abortions in their teens or early 20s were more likely to have been abused by a partner than those who carried the pregnancy to term, they found.

The scientists published the results of the study in today's edition [3April07] of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health.

In their article, they wrote, "'Women experiencing violence and abuse can be subject to coercive sex and unprotected intercourse, leading to a higher rate of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies."

Angela Taft and Lyndsey Watson led the study and Taft said that young women appear to have less control over sex or contraception decisions when they're with an abusive partner.

"'You could say that young women don't feel they have the right to say no," she said.

"What can society do about this problem?" Dr. Taft asks. "The take home message is that if we want to reduce the rate of abortion and unwanted pregnancy in Australia, especially among teenagers, we need to reduce violence against women."

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The study backs up the contention made by research in the United States that an inordinate number of women who have abortions do so because they feel pressure or coercion from a husband or boyfriend.

Dr. David Reardon of the Elliot Institute says they are a part of a widespread problem.
Reardon is the co-author of a recent 2006 Medical Science Monitor study of American and Russian women that found that 64 percent of American women who had abortions reported that they felt pressured to abort by others.

His organization, which monitors the effects of abortion on women, has also prepared special research previously showing cases of violence against women who refused to have abortions.

Reardon said that cases of women being pressured, threatened, or subjected to violence if they refuse to abort are not unusual.

"In many of the cases documented for our 'Forced Abortion in America' report, police and witnesses reported that acts of violence and murder took place after the woman refused to abort or because the attacker didn't want the pregnancy," he said.

"Even if a woman isn't physically threatened, she often faces intense pressure, abandonment, lack of support, or emotional blackmail if she doesn't abort," Dr. Reardon explained. "While abortion is often described as a 'choice,' women who've been there tell a very different story."

Reardon said the report underscores the need for legislation requiring abortion businesses and health care providers to screen women for evidence of coercion or pressure to abort and to direct them to people and resources that can help them... link

Free copies of the special report, "Forced Abortion in America," and fact sheets on coerced and forced abortions can be downloaded at http://www.unchoice.info/resources.htm.

Women Decry U.N. Idea of Male Partnership

Respond to World Population Day's Theme
The leader of the World Union of Catholic Women's Organizations says the theme for the U.N. World Population Day, as understood by Ban Ki-moon, promotes the death of innocent children.

Karen Hurley said this in a letter written July 12 to Ban, U.N. secretary-general, in response to his message regarding the July 11 World Day, with the theme "Men as Partners in Maternal Health."

Ban's message for the event focused "attention on the fundamental role of men in supporting women's rights, including their right to sexual and reproductive health."

Hurley wrote in her letter: "While the theme of your message on World Population Day 2007 is admirable, the costs of the partnership described therein are the lives of countless innocent children."

She continued: "Spouses seal their love and commitment through their sexual union which embodies the promises of marriage.

"The use of contraception or sterilization allows one spouse to treat the other more like an object than a person, and ultimately, leads governments to impose laws limiting family size.

"Abortion injures the health and dignity of women at the same time that it ends the life of the unborn child."

Hurley concluded that "a far more compassionate response is to provide support and services for pregnant women and their families, advance women's educational and economic standing in society, and eliminate all forms of violence and discrimination against women, including abortion and infanticide."

The World Union of Catholic Women's Organizations was founded 1910 and is made up of some 100 groups from more than 60 countries.

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U.S. Senate Ignores Coercive Abortion in China, Reverses Pro-Life Funding Policies


Women in China are being forced to have abortions against their will. In response to failures to meet population control goals, local government officials are taking pregnant Chinese women to hospitals against their will and killing their children in the womb.


And the U.S. Senate thinks your tax dollars should support organizations who work with China to implement their coercive "One Child Policy." Contact the Senate today and stand up for Life!

China's Latest Victims: In Their Own Words

National Public Radio recently covered China's forced abortion campaign, reporting the story of victims Wei Linrong and her husband, Liang Yage, a Christian couple whose baby was aborted against their will as part of a widespread population crack-down in rural China.

If you haven't heard the stories, DON'T WAIT FOR OUR SHAMELESS MEDIA TO REPORT ON powerful news that describes the tragically graphic condition of aborted babies.


"Wei Linrong and her husband Liang Yage, were incensed by their treatment, seeing it as little short of murder.

'I'm still thinking about what my child looked like. I think their methods are too cruel. Every time I think about my baby, and how its body was black, my heart really hurts. Such a tiny baby -- it was innocent -- and they killed it, and that makes me very angry.'" -- Liange Yage

"It's Perfectly Normal" is a book meant to teach 10 year old children and sometimes younger about their growing bodies. The truth of matter is it is a book meant to get our kids highly sexualized. Planned parenthood approves of the pornographic book. Are we surprised?? This evil corporation is promoting their business. Teaching abstinence until marriage would put this mafia operation out of business. The author of the book, the illustrator, American Library Association, N E A, and many others - - are walking hand in hand with planned baronhood in demoralizing young minds. This book takes away natural modesty. It is absent of shame in its presentation. What's it going to take to get people sufficiently horrified to protect our kids? The book teaches no scruples, no mastery of natural energies of the body, is absent of love and what is beautiful.

One man wrote this about the book "It's Perfectly Normal:"

PEOPLE FOR THE ETHICAL TREATMENT OF CHILDREN

Dear friends and neighbors,

This letter is hardly "For Christians Only" because the subject goes to the core of every human being. The issue concerns a book, which is in the children's section of many of our libraries, and every time a book is an issue most of us have a natural tendency to defend its right to be. However, every now and then it is recognized that some material ought not be available for all segments of our society, such as children, and animated pictorial material is sometimes given a classification such as an "R" or "PG" which gives parents or other responsible adults the chance to look it over.

To "cut to the chase" then, is that the book many of us find objectionable is entitled "It's Perfectly Normal". If you take a look at it, we think you would agree the title is hardly entitled to this title. A better appellation would be "Titillation for Tots". Why is the manner in which the subject matter is presented objectionable to many? I would say for the same reason we never include pictures within our family albums of our ancestors mating.Wouldn't that be a hoot! (I hate to give people ideas).

Why don't people discard their clothing, even on beaches, whenever they feel like it? Because that which is the norm, or normal, advises them not to do so. Most people would not do so even if they had great physiques and it were legal, because they would experience a sense of shame or embarrassment. Whence this sense of shame? It goes with man's nature and many theologians would agree it's a product of man's fallen human nature. It is undoubtedly a protective device for individuals, for the family, and for society at large. Even in the so called primitive cultures their attire might be scanty but their sexual organs are covered. Thus covering the essentials of one's body is not being prudish, but is certainly prudent.

I think we can understand then that books such as "It's Perfectly Normal" is not truthful and is hardly the norm, because its message is an attempt to bypass parents and those who have a sincere interest in the well being of each child. This book is simply designed to prepare children for abuse. It is also designed to direct the minds of children and early teenagers to think of sex with their peers whether of the opposite sex or same sex. Young minds are also encouraged to think of adults as sex objects and teachers are specifically mentioned as being proper objects for same. Although most teachers would be appalled at what might taking place in such young minds, many others. . . of a predatory mindset. . would be quite thrilled and do what they could to encourage it.

As we think of the latter, all should understand that far more child abuse of this nature, on a percentage basis, involves teachers to a far greater extent than that of Catholic priests. Even in the years of the 70's and 80's when the estimates of priestly abuse were highest less than 1/2% of 1% of all priests were involved, or accused. In addition, priestly abuse largely involved older boys some in their late teens, which, although not excusable, was more of a homosexual nature.

All of this tell us that if we think we think we have safer schools now for children we can put that happy thought to rest if books like these become commonplace. Does your child need to know how to masturbate? Does he or she need pictures? Is this information going to help your daughters and sons master the 3 Rs or is that considered outdated?

Possibly it is outdated. We were advised recently of a family who removed their child from a school because this institution saw no need for the memorization of the times table. Memorization of times tables and poems are ..

More to come

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Pro-Life Group Upset United Nations Bullies Nicaragua on Abortion

-- Pro-life groups are outraged by recent attempts of the United Nations Committee on the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) to intimidate nations that protect the unborn. At its meeting in New York this week, CEDAW Committee members browbeat diplomats from pro-life countries. Honduras, which has a right-to-life provision in its constitution, was practically ordered to legalize abortion. Committee member Heisoo Shin told the Honduran delegation that their government must "create a momentum, a social force that stops the crime that allows a woman to die, to risk unsafe abortion and not to have self-determination." When the Hondurans responded that their government emphasizes preventing early and unwanted pregnancies, Silvia Pimentel, a committee member from Brazil, insisted: "Women have their reasons to seek an abortion, which should be respected." Larry Jacobs, global coordinator of the World Congress of Families, called this hectoring "intolerable." "The CEDAW Treaty - adopted by the General Assembly in 1979 - doesn't even mention the word 'abortion,'" Jacobs noted. "These pressure tactics are based on the personal agendas of committee members. As such, they do not carry the weight of international law." He added: ""Nations that acknowledge the humanity of the unborn child and offer it legal protection should not be subjected to these obscene pressure tactics."

New York, NY (LifeNews.com)

"There are many disputes in our nation about which we can "agree to disagree." Various proposals, programs, and strategies can be debated as we try to figure out how best to secure people's rights. But these legitimate areas of disagreement relate to how to secure people's rights, whereas the abortion controversy is about whether to secure or even recognize those rights at all.

We can agree to disagree whether certain government programs should be allowed, but not whether acts of violence should be allowed. "Agree to disagree" seems like a neutral posture to assume, but it neutralizes what can never be neutral: the right to life itself.

Furthermore, the abortion dispute is not merely about conceptual disagreement. It's about justice. It's about violence, bloodshed, and victims who need to be defended. In the midst of a policy permitting 4000 babies a day to be killed, to "agree to disagree" means to cease to defend the absolute rights of the victim.

We don't fight oppression by "agreeing to disagree" with the oppressor. It is precisely when the oppressor disagrees that we have to intervene to stop the violence. The fact that the oppressor does not recognize the victim as a person does not remove our obligation to the victim. In the face of injustice, we are not simply called to disagree with it, but to stop it."

If you cannot see God in all,
you cannot see God at all.

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If you cannot see God in all,
you cannot see God at all.

Nor can you see the air you breathe to sustain your life.

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GG, the Primary Lesson of psychology, is NOT to try to fit a round peg, into a square hole.

Therefore, please consider changing your handle to a more appropriate, "GG, GG!", ? And, please do not overlook the legal principle of, 'non-compis mentis!", or "What in the world are you talking about?"

Thank you, very much!!