This is pretty serious stuff, this guy is nuts, and he possesses nuclear weapons. But who cares, he has helped us in the "war on terror", right? So no problem for the US, right?
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
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Pakistan is a powderkeg waiting to explode. The loonie terrorists have found safe haven and as long as that continues, Pakistan will always be unstable and threatening to it's neighbors and our allies.
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Note that the US media calls the Kurdish terrorists who are endeavoring to destabilize Iran, Syria, and Turkey "rebels". If "we" didn't like them, they'd be called "terrorists".
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Only shows you how crazy our policy is. Six months ago,we loved the Kurds and advocated for them every chance we got. 20+ years ago Bin Laden was considered a "freedom fighter" as he drove the evil communists out of Afghanistan. Go Figure
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Originally posted by James Leo: Only shows you how crazy our policy is. Six months ago,we loved the Kurds and advocated for them every chance we got. 20+ years ago Bin Laden was considered a "freedom fighter" as he drove the evil communists out of Afghanistan. Go Figure
It is choosing the lesser of two evils. We do it every 4 years when electing leaders too.
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Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell: You're correct, Rutherford: Britain has a history of double-dealing and imperialism that is rivaled only by the U.S. (in modern times).
Brent, And don't forget the USSR, China, and Cuba...
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Ron, It is pretty pathetic when you have to compare Britain of the 1930's, to the US in 2007?? I think the British learned from their mistakes, besides look at what happened to the British Empire. I guess because we are such a young nation, we would just eventually fall a bit later than some of the others.
Trust me Ron, modern day Britain (with all her faults) is a much better country than the USA, and holds a much brighter future, sad but true (And I speak from experience, not some article I found on the internet!!)
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
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Seriously, we think it is okay to live in a country which chooses the lesser of two evils?
Seriously, every democracy does it to some extent.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ronald Rutherford: Yes, Melissa. Keep repeating it over and over again. Britain is much better than the USA!
I don't need to keep repeating it, but I am slightly bemused at how "interested" most of you cons. here are in my moving back to the UK.
Thanks for all the history on the UK, but I am pretty aware of the history over there, I do know about the Falkland War (in fact my brother-in-law was there), so?
You still have not come up with one single valid point to prove that Britain isn't a much better country than the US at this point in time. Perhaps that will change, I actually hope it does.
There was a time (not too long ago) when I was VERY proud to be an American and all it stood for, but that time is gone, you can believe what you want, but I do know differently.
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Originally posted by Sawdust: Seriously, every democracy does it to some extent.
How could any country have any election if they didn't eventually whittle it down to two candidtes? There has never been nor will thee ever be a candidte that is perfect on all counts.
It is always a choice between the better of the two or three running. Then, you get what you get.
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Yeah, but why do the two choices have to be the lesser of two evils? And no that is not the case, as many European countries have several parties in their government, and it is usually a choice between more than just 2 candidates (that's the system here, not the system everywhere).
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
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Originally posted by meljomur: 1.- but I am slightly bemused at how "interested" most of you cons. here are in my moving back to the UK.
2.- You still have not come up with one single valid point to prove that Britain isn't a much better country than the US at this point in time.
1- It stems from bashing the U.S. and exclaiming how you can't wait to leave. You keep stating that you're leaving this horrible place and some of us would be willing to help expidite your exit from our fine country by buying you a ticket. I'll have a car pick you up in an hour.
2- Thats an easy one. -They talk with that goofy cockney accent and still think Benny Hill is funny. -Inbred royalty (Charles) that that makes Planet Of The Apes seem possible. -Gun control run amok? Yikes!
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Posts: 2404 | Location: Redmond WA | Registered: 04 September 2006
Originally posted by meljomur: Yeah, but why do the two choices have to be the lesser of two evils?
Seems to be the way politics has swung over the last couple hundred years.
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And no that is not the case, as many European countries have several parties in their government, and it is usually a choice between more than just 2 candidates (that's the system here, not the system everywhere).
I was referring to our system in the USA. Other countries systems don't matter much to me.
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BTW, For the 15 millionth time, I do NOT hate the US, I do think it has fallen alot over the last 7 years, as I am sure many people on this site would concur. I think it is sad what has happened here, and since I have been here I have been pretty active in trying to change things for the better.
We are leaving because my husband's new job is there. His office is based in London, and the Seattle- London commute gets old after awhile.
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
Posts: 875 | Location: The Emerald City | Registered: 02 January 2007
Originally posted by meljomur: Yeah, but why do the two choices have to be the lesser of two evils?
Seems to be the way politics has swung over the last couple hundred years.
quote:
And no that is not the case, as many European countries have several parties in their government, and it is usually a choice between more than just 2 candidates (that's the system here, not the system everywhere).
I was referring to our system in the USA. Other countries systems don't matter much to me.
Then why go to war to try to change them?
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
Posts: 875 | Location: The Emerald City | Registered: 02 January 2007
BTW, For the 15 millionth time, I do NOT hate the US, I do think it has fallen alot over the last 7 years, as I am sure many people on this site would concur. I think it is sad what has happened here, and since I have been here I have been pretty active in trying to change things for the better.
I've told you a million times, never exaggerate. Why do you hate America?
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
Originally posted by meljomur: Then why go to war to try to change them?
We went to war to break stuff and kill people. Changing Iraq's political system was done when the Iraqies voted (for the first time) in their new government. How it will work out for them is up to them. If they become a pain in the ass like Saddam was, we might have to castrate them again. Time will tell.
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Posts: 2404 | Location: Redmond WA | Registered: 04 September 2006
Originally posted by meljomur: Then why go to war to try to change them?
We went to war to break stuff and kill people. Changing Iraq's political system was done when the Iraqies voted (for the first time) in their new government. How it will work out for them is up to them. If they become a pain in the ass like Saddam was, we might have to castrate them again. Time will tell.
Actually, the Iraqi's first voted on a Constitution most of them had never even been given the opportunity to read.
I suppose they trusted to U.S. to present them with a "New Deal" that was better than the old deal under Saddam. What they got was a greater reign of terror and more civilian deaths within their own country than even Saddam could create.
If you haven't noticed, we've been trying to castrate the Iraqi people ever since Bush declared victory over them. Perhaps they have a sharper scapel than we do.
We've presented to the world a U.S. that seems to be seen as a paper tiger.
We get rid of one dictator in Iraq, and support another in Pakistan. The U.S. policy is schezophrenic.
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