Well that and one's ability to leave, I am sure there are plenty of Americans that would leave if they had the option (in fact I happen to know quite a few who do).
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
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Reprieve says it will be pressing for criminal prosecutions against the CIA agents alleged to have carried out the torture.
Last week it emerged that the CIA destroyed hundreds of hours of videotapes showing the torture of detainees held by the US.
Binyam Mohammed was born in Ethiopia but was given leave to remain in the UK after seeking asylum in 1994. Seven years later, he travelled to Pakistan and Afghanistan where the Americans allege that he underwent training in firearms and explosives. In 2002, he was arrested by Pakistani immigration officials at Karachi airport on his way back to the UK. He says he was then taken to Morocco and tortured for 18 months, including having his penis slashed, before being sent to Guantanamo, where he still remains.
Mr Stafford-Smith added in his letter: "As you know, the only purported basis for the US holding Mr Mohammed is an allegation that he is an ('illegal') enemy combatant. Five-and-a-half years after his initial seizure, he is not currently charged in a military commission, and he has never been offered a fair trial. As you are aware, Mr Mohammed was rendered to Morocco by the CIA and tortured for 18 months in a way that was medieval.
"There can be no rational dispute that this is true. We have the CIA flight records which precisely match Mr Mohammed's version of events. He has nothing to do with Morocco, and he was not taken there by the CIA for a Club Med vacation."
That doesn't match what the corporate slut in the white house said "The United States does not torture"
It is everyones responsibility to bring this system crashing down NOW. Everyone must do their part (within the confines of their own personal conscience). Not to participate in ridding the United States of this power structure is treason and high crimes against the people of the United States. What are you going to do?
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I would say, judging by your lack of patriotic support, that neither of you is suited to live in the USA.
I didn't know torture and murder and destroying our constitution was patriotic. Perhaps, if you want torture so much, you should go live under the Saddam Hussein's regime. Perhaps you should have worked for the Japanese or Hitler or Pol Pot? Word has it, they liked torture too. If you like torture so much, we think you should find your own hell where everyone tortures and murders. I think then you'll finally be happy.
As we've heard, George Washington made SPECIFIC orders NOT to torture the enemy (English Soldiers). And we had the enemy on our soil. One minute you're calling for invasion of Iraq because they torture and followed by your president torturing people.
That's un-american. YOU CAN LEAVE with your blood and torturous way. YOU LEAVE! We're the real Americans because REAL Americans don't torture.
Would also say it's kind of silly to cast oneself or anyone else in such a hyperbolic & jingoistic fashion.
Most every country on earth has things in its history and way of doing things of which it can be proud and most every one has some really shameful history.
Except maybe Bhutan. Can't think of any genocidal acts they've inflicted. There are probably a few others small countries that are relatively blameless.
How often have we heard that we're terrorists for wanting to pull troops out?
I am going out on a limb here... But I would say NEVERZERONADA
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Most every country on earth has things in its history and way of doing things of which it can be proud and most every one has some really shameful history.
Except maybe Bhutan. Can't think of any genocidal acts they've inflicted. There are probably a few others small countries that are relatively blameless.
Not sure I understand you points Brent. Does Bhutan have anything to be proud of? And they have things to be shameful of in their history? And does blameless only mean with respect to other countries and thus internal democides are OK?
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Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell: RR posted: "Does Bhutan have anything to be proud of?"
Obviously a rhetorical question.
I don't think so Brent. I just asked for clarification from you because it seemed a little confusing your points. Maybe you can enlighten me at least as to what Bhutan is special for and how they avoided the problems of Patriotism that so many other countries have fallen into.
When you moving there? I am sure the requirements are less than Canada.
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I never said they've avoided the problem of patriotism.
What is your ability at reading comprehension?
Honestly, Rutherford, you crack me up. Your posts are a never-ending onslaught of unintentional mirth.
I mention an entire country about which it seems you have little or no knowledge, and you respond by asking if there's anything in the entire country to be proud of.
The Lhotshampas say they are victims of ethnic cleansing and accuse the Bhutanese government of torture and genocide.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell: I never said they've avoided the problem of patriotism.
True enough. But since Patriotism is a negative thing and that Bhutan has nothing to shameful of in its history then I wonder if they should be shameful of their patriotism (if they have it).
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What is your ability at reading comprehension?
Fair to middlen. I just wonder about your ability to support your assumptions and to explain yourself.
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Honestly, Rutherford, you crack me up. Your posts are a never-ending onslaught of unintentional mirth.
Glad I can be of service to you. Now if you can answer the questions maybe we can discuss them.
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I mention an entire country about which it seems you have little or no knowledge, and you respond by asking if there's anything in the entire country to be proud of.
Thanks for the laugh!
Certainly, because if they have no patriotism or nothing to be ashamed of then why not explain how you come up with your conclusions. I hear the birds fish may fill us in with some details.
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RR posted: "Certainly, because if they have no patriotism or nothing to be ashamed of then why not explain how you come up with your conclusions/"
This is what I'm talking about: just a few sentences ago you agreed that I did not say Bhutan does not have patriotism, and a few seconds later you insinuate that I said that.
Anyway, it'd be like asking: does the USA have anything to be proud of? A silly question that could only be asked by a patriot.
This has made Bhutan as one of the highest per capita refugee generators in the world. As on March 2001, approximately 98,886 Bhutanese refugees were living in seven refugee camps in eastern Nepal managed by the UNHCR.
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Bhutan as a multi-religious, multi-cultural and multi-linguistic society is self-evident. However, the government argues that "Pluralism is only practical for a larger country where a diversity of customs, traditions and culture enriches that nation. A small country like Bhutan cannot afford the luxury of such diversity which may impede the growth of social harmony and unity among its people". In the name of national integration, the government implemented various racial and discriminatory policies aimed at forceful homogenisation of multi-ethnic society. This 'Drukpanization' policy was designed to annihilate the culture, religion and language of Lhotshampas, Sharchhops and other minority ethnic, religious and linguistic groups.
I am just not OK with your Supporting such evil empire as the Bhutan. They make Cuba and Venezula look inviting
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