'Nazi' row sinks German TV star The German television network NDR has sacked a prominent talk show host after she praised the family model promoted by the Nazis. NDR said Eva Herman, 48, was fired after confirming quotes printed by the newspaper Bild am Sonntag.
She said "values like the family, children and motherhood, which were promoted in the Third Reich too, were later scrapped by the 68ers".
She was referring to the radicalism that swept the West in the 1960s.
She made the remarks at the launch of her latest book on Friday, called The Eve Principle - For A New Femininity.
NDR's programme director, Volker Herres, issued a statement saying that "Herman's authorial activities are, in our view, no longer compatible with her role as a television moderator and talk show host".
Herman had previously appeared as a newsreader on the Tagesschau bulletin, but stood down last year before the publication of The Eve Principle to protect the neutrality of the programme.
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
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Looks and sounds like the German equivilent of Ann Coulter. In the end, it always seems like justice somehow prevails. Unlike liberal misdeeds, which have to be uncovered through multi-million dollar investigations (ala Ken Starr) the conservatives have a penchant for going hog wild, until they finally are the means of their own undoing.
"These things which man purports to admire-the noble, the brilliant, the splendid-these are the very things he cannot tolerate when he finds them."-----Mark Clifton
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To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
A true believer for sure..
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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
I wonder if God spoke to him too, like he does to W? There are a lot of quotes here Jesus and Me, by Adolph
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
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Adolph Hitler did study for the priesthood and the Nazis had "with God on our side" engraved on their belt buckles. Also Hitler started his campaign to clean up the decedance of Berlin with its sleezy nightblubs and homosexual bars and prostitution.Does that not sound familar? Remember its not Religion but the abuse of Religion we are speaking about.
"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."
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She said "values like the family, children and motherhood, which were promoted in the Third Reich
Heard something like that before in Nellie McClung's "In Times Like These" written in 1915 - but not sure how much of it was putting down the Opposition or how much was fact:
According to the theories of the world, the gentle sons of gentle mothers will respect and reverence all womankind everywhere. Yet we know that in the invasion of Belgium, the German soldiers made a shield of Belgian women and children in front of their army; no child was too young, no woman too old, to escape their cruelty; no mother's prayers, no child's appeal could stay their fury! These of Belgium, their nearest neighbor, leaving behind them smoking trails of ruin, black as their own hard hearts!
What, then, is the matter with the theory? Nothing, except that there is nothing in it - it will not work. Women who set a low value on themselves make life hard for all women. The German woman's ways have been ways of pleasantness, but her paths have not been paths of peace; and now, women everywhere are thinking of her rather bitterly. Her peaceful, humble, patient ways have suddenly ceased to appear virtuous in our eyes and we see now, it is not so much a woman's duty to bring children into the world, as to see what sort of world she is bringing them into, and what their contribution will be to it.
On a related topic, have you heard about the Hebrew Neo-Nazis?
Originally posted by Vaudree: Women who set a low value on themselves make life hard for all women. ~ it is not so much a woman's duty to bring children into the world, as to see what sort of world she is bringing them into, and what their contribution will be to it.
Vaudree, that is a brilliant observation. Firstly, I am reminded that the worst perpetrators of abuse to little Moslem girls are their mothers. It is the mothers who insist on female genital mutilation and that females continue to be oppressed.
Secondly, It is widely known that females are the civilizing force of society, that without their demands the males would degenerate into sort of a collective bachelor pad society. This effect is dramatized in old western movies as illustrated by the problem of males spitting and then the females walking through the spit in long dresses.
As for the Israeli Hitler admirers, I was impressed that the offenders actually hid their faces in shame. That already is a sign of some moral consciousness. If that had happened here in the US they would have been smug and grinning. Also, the remark that education had failed to teach the immigrants proper values is a good sign. For some reason Americans never blame poor education for society's failures. It's always the family that has failed.
-- The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark
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Right wing religion always supports tyrants as long as their religion isn't suppresed. Control fanatics seem to like being controlled. Give lip service to their religion, and all is well. If someone doesn't agree with them, they just have to go or comply. Simple.
Tha Nazi's supported the same forced standards most Fundie U.S. Christians support. Everything else is irrelevant. The Pinocchio sitting in the White House is a national hero.
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Vaudree, that is a brilliant observation. Firstly, I am reminded that the worst perpetrators of abuse to little Moslem girls are their mothers.
First of all, it is not my observation, it is Nellie McClung's in 1915 and, while she believed it, she was using an old debate trick. You see these were the values also of Canadian women and her major opponent was Premier Rodmond Roblin who once said that "nice women don't want the vote."
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Roblin was more conservative on social issues. He is often remembered today for his opposition to women's suffrage, and for clashing with Nellie McClung on the issue. McClung made Roblin appear foolish in her famous "parliament of women", parodying the premier's patronizing comments on traditional gender roles. Roblin also resisted demands to enact a labour code to protect workers, and was sometimes reluctant to enforce the province's existing legislation.
To counter this, Nellie McClung associated the view of womanhood Roblin was promoting with the mothers of the enemy. Remember that Canadians would be more aware of the atrocities committed by the German soldiers than those committed by Canadian soldiers.
As far as the Muslim mother being the worst enemy of their daughters ... First of all there are all kinds of Muslim women ranging from those believing in the phallocentric excesses of Patriarchy to those with strong feminist leanings. I presume you are talking about the former - those who promote the system that keeps them and their daughters oppressed.
You heard the phrase that what you do to others you first do to yourself? Admit that there are some Muslim women who try to make their daughters lives "better" by making them more desirable to men. Likewise, when Anna Nicole Smith was trying to cut down what her daughter ate it was because she saw her daughter's future being tied to how appealing she was to men and chubbiness as a disadvantage for women.
Secondly, It is widely known that females are the civilizing force of society, that without their demands the males would degenerate into sort of a collective bachelor pad society.
Saw a repeat of the Gene Simmons (from KISS) interview on The Hour yesterday and he would agree with you fully.
Also, the remark that education had failed to teach the immigrants proper values is a good sign. For some reason Americans never blame poor education for society's failures.
I don't think that you know what lurks behind that seemingly harmless statement. The "proper values" when brought up in France or Quebec etc means immigrants giving up their own values and adopting the values of the society. This pro-assimilation stance is behind kicking little girls out of soccer games for wearing a hijab! This little girl was playing with her non-Muslim friends and non-Muslim coach who saw her as a their friend and teammate who was picked on unfairly:
Five young teams from across Canada walked out of a Quebec soccer tournament Sunday because a young Muslim girl was ejected for wearing a hijab.
Calling the rule banning the headscarf worn by Muslim women racist, four other teams followed Asmahan Mansour's team, the Nepean Selects from Ottawa, after she was thrown out for running afoul of a Quebec Soccer Association rule. ...
"I automatically went back to the referee: 'Are you sure this is what you wanna do?'" said Louis Maneiro, the Selects' head coach. When nothing changed, he said, "I just decided that there's no way that I would allow our team to continue, and the girls backed up Asi very strongly."
Asi's teammates supported the move. "I felt disgraced, I was crushed, I couldn't see Asi like that," said Lisa Furano.
"It's just a piece of material, it can't do any harm," added Alicia Stainton.
The Selects left the tournament in good spirits. But they say they won't come back until the rule changes.
Note how Quebec Premier Jean Charest insists that one must choose between being Muslim and playing soccer - being Muslim and participating in Quebec society. That being Muslim is not proper decorum:
Ontario's soccer association disagrees with Quebec's soccer association — and Quebec's premier — about banning head scarves from the game.
Unlike Quebec soccer referees who ejected an 11-year-old Ottawa girl from a Laval, Que., tournament on Sunday because she was wearing a hijab, or Muslim head scarf, Ontario soccer officials allow religious headgear, said Guy Bradbury, CEO of the Ontario Soccer Association.
"It has to be secured — safely tucked in and secured," he said. "We've evaluated this particular case … and we're comfortable with our position."
Quebec Liberal Leader Jean Charest spoke out in favour of the Quebec soccer headscarf ban Monday, a day after Asmahan Mansour, a player for the Nepean U12 Hotspurs, was kicked out of the Quebec tournament for wearing her head scarf.
"One of the practices of soccer is not only the sport itself on the field, but also the behaviour of the players, and how they are expected to behave towards each other, and the rules around how they are dressed," the premier said Monday while campaigning for the Quebec provincial election.
Assimilation doesn't mean giving up one's identity completely. France is worse, they actually make little girls choose between going to school and wearing their hijabs. For a comparison, think of how you would feel if someone told you that the only way they would let your daughter attend school was if she were to attend topless!
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Tha Nazi's supported the same forced standards most Fundie U.S. Christians support.
That is true. I am starting to think that there are social conservative and social gospel variants of all religions - sometimes the variations manifest themselves in denominations and sometimes differ between parishes of the same religion.
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(Emily) Murphy became the first woman police magistrate in the entire British Empire.
This appointment led to an even more significant chapter in Murphy's eventual life. Although the new magistrate was welcomed by some of her colleagues in the courts, others challenged her position on the grounds that a woman is not a "person" under the British North America Act of 1867. This argument coincided with a similar one that had been mounted in opposition to the idea of appointing a woman to the Canadian Senate. Murphy fumed at the injustice - the status of women should not be dependent upon an outdated and outmoded law! The law itself had to be changed, and she vowed to do it.
For twelve years Murphy led the fight to have women declared legal "persons" in Canada. When petitions from various women's organizations failed to open the Senate to women, Murphy turned to the law. She found a section of the Supreme Court Act that allowed any five interested persons the right to petition the government for a ruling on a constitutional point.
Murphy lost no time in enlisting the help of four other Alberta reformers. Her first choice was her friend, Nellie McClung, a tireless worker for human rights, a suffragist, and a former Member of the Alberta Legislature. Next, there was Louise McKinney, ex-M.L.A. and crusader against the evils of alcohol and cigarettes. The third petitioner was Montréal-born Henrietta Edwards, a vigorous campaigner for women's rights with an unsurpassed knowledge of the laws pertaining to women and children. Irene Parlby, Murphy's fourth choice, had entered politics with a desire to improve the lives of the rural women of Alberta. A Minister without Portfolio in the Alberta Legislature, Parlby's participation signified the support of the Government of Alberta.
The Persons Case, as it is called, reached the Supreme Court of Canada in March 1928. The court ruled against women, but Emily Murphy would not rest there. She carried the case to the Privy Council in Britain, which, in its celebrated ruling of October 18, 1929, declared that women were indeed legal "persons" under the B.N.A. Act.
Note that Nellie McClung moved to Alberta from Manitoba after her Pharmacist husband Wesley was transferred. Wesley was the son of a Suffragette and very supportive of his wife's activities.
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