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Posts: 4624 | Location: UK | Registered: 16 November 2004Report This Post
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Chaos in Pakistan forces Americans to weigh their belief in democracy with concern for security and fear of the unknown.

The government of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan has removed whatever moral legitimacy it had — and it came to power by coup — by shutting down private-sector TV, suspending the constitution, arresting justices of its supreme court and trying to swear in obedient replacements. The American sympathy for democracy and the rule of law puts us on the side of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, 58, who has emerged as the hero of civilized government. Removed from office by Musharraf and placed under house arrest, Chaudhry smuggled out a statement in which he asked the people to stand up for Pakistan's constitution. "Don't be afraid," he said. "God will help us, and the day will come when you'll see the constitution supreme and no dictatorship for a long time."

It is difficult for Americans to relate to such events. Seventy years ago, President Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court, which is one of the things Musharraf is trying to do. But FDR tried to do it in a constitutional way, and when Congress refused, he gave up on it. Another president, Abraham Lincoln, suspended the right of habeas corpus in order to enforce a military draft, and our current president has weakened that right. But what is happening in Pakistan is outside Americans' experience.
Seattle Times (opinion)


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So why wouldn't the US cut the funding to Pakistan? Just because we feel he is the lesser of two evils? I don't believe the US has influence over ANY country anymore, but it seems to me, that you would cut the $10 billion/month "aid" that you provide to a military dictatorship, which suspends it constitution, and throws its supreme court in prison?


"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
 
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As I posted elsewhere (don't know if anyone read it), John Negroponte has been in Islamabad since Sept. 12, for a "long-term strategic dialogue".

Yes, "our" under-Sec. of State has a history of brutalizing opposition that makes the current crackdown in Pak look fairly mild (thusfar).

The ambassador to Honduras during the terrorist war against Nicaragua, who not only coordinated the FDN-Contra operations but also assisted with the death squad organizing and support in El Salvador and Honduras itself.

Would bet Negroponte in Islamabad is not just a coincidence with what is currently happening, which means Bushco support for the crackdown (although, of course, they won't admit that).
 
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I wonder if "may you live in interesting times" is a blessing or a curse.

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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Supporters of Benazir Bhutto clashed with police in front of parliament Wednesday after she urged party activists into the streets to protest emergency rule, deepening the uncertainty engulfing a Pakistan already shaken by rising Islamic militancy.

Seeking to position herself as the only leader able to unite the country to confront Islamic extremism, the former prime minister toughened her rhetoric against President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, but she left open the possibility of resuming talks if he ends the crackdown.

President Bush, meanwhile, told the U.S.-allied general that Pakistan must go through with parliamentary elections that had been planned for January. Bush commented after a senior U.S. official called Musharraf an ``indispensable'' ally in the war against extremist groups.

Thousands of Pakistanis have been jailed or put under house arrest since Musharraf assumed emergency powers Saturday, and Bhutto called on her followers to show their defiance of the clampdown on civil liberties.
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Posts: 6804 | Location: usa | Registered: 09 February 2006Report This Post
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This issue is scattered amongst threads. I'd like to call attention to this link Posted 06 November 2007:

Bush and Musharraf's grand illusion

Subtitle: Democracy for Pakistan was never the deal -- and as Musharraf's latest power grab throws his nation into turmoil, Bush will gladly go along. By Juan Cole

I think this complements what BrentBoz was pointing out, and may offer some suggestions for meljomur's questions.
 
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Thanks for the links, Ren. Haven't had much time to browse.


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LOL

whoever thought liars (I mean lawyers) would be the leading edge of freedom against tyranny?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071108/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_lawyers__struggle

Enraged by President Pervez Musharraf's assault on independent judges, the legal community has eclipsed discredited opposition parties as the torchbearers for democracy.
 
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