when bush starts the speech, i plan on writing about it as he is talking. i plan on catching him very quickly with his mistruths and war propaganda.
i believe he will state that we will commence a slow pullout starting next year. by doing this, he is only attempting to booster the GOP numbers at the 2008 elections. by claiming "we won", he can also claim that the republican strategy worked.
it will be interesting on how he proclaims the 'benchmarks' and 'accomplishments' made in iraq, while being silent about the mistakes that were/are being made.
im looking forward to this speech because i know it gonna be so full of $hit, much like his annual state of the union addresses. in fact, i was writing about his last one as he was speaking.
its interesting to go back, see what he said then, and see what reality is now. back in jan, he proposed a balanced budget. lol thats laughable. he said the economy was strong. that was obviously a lie, with the construction, housing, and manufacturing industries down.
about the only thing that was true then and will be true at tonights speech, is cheneys frown.
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i plan on catching him very quickly with his mistruths and war propaganda.
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im looking forward to this speech because i know it gonna be so full of $hit
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
Well the only way I can listen to his speeches, is if I am also playing a drinking game.
Drink once whenever he says, 'stay the course' Drink 2x whenever he mentions, September 11 Drink 3X when he says, 'we gotta fight over there, or they will follow us over here'
I am sure there are lots of other statements we could add, which are repeated at every one of these speeches, but seriously I can ONLY watch this man speak when I have a large glass of red wine in hand!!
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
Posts: 875 | Location: The Emerald City | Registered: 02 January 2007
So Bush will be reading off the dirty roll of toilet paper again?
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it will be interesting on how he proclaims the 'benchmarks' and 'accomplishments' made in iraq,
If you are withdrawing troops out of Iraq because of "benchmarks" rather than "mistakes" then you may be able to convince voters that you are not actually cutting and running.
There have already been leaks as to the Bush's throne speech tonight. He is going to slowly bring troops home with every victory in Iraq. How do we know that the US has had a victory in Iraq - more troops are coming home!
Bush is bringing the troop levels back to those at the beginning of the year.
I predict that Bush will say something alluding to the Sidney Declaration and "emission intensity". He will also use the phrase "ungoverned spaces". I predict that Bush has other work planned for the troops he won't be sending to Iraq, and that we will get hints as to where their new deployment will be in Bush's throne speech.
Bush will be using words/phrases like "free enterprise" and "markets to grow and prosperity to flow" and "enduring presence."
U.S. President George W. Bush is expected to announce a slow and limited withdrawal of American forces from Iraq in a prime-time television address Thursday night.
Bush's address from the Oval Office, expected to last 18 minutes, will expand on recommendations made by the top American general in Iraq earlier this week, who said U.S. forces could be reduced to pre-surge levels by next summer.
"The more successful we are, the more American troops can return home," Bush will say, according to released excerpts of his speech. ...
Bush is expected to cite progress in Iraq, but also acknowledge that few of the 18 benchmarks that Congress and the White House set to measure progress have been met.
U.S. President George Bush is expected to announce his intention to bring home extra troops sent to Iraq by next year, if conditions allow -- a move widely seen as a bid to buy time from politicians and the public to achieve some level of success in Iraq.
Bush is expected to make the pitch during a speech scheduled for 9 p.m. ET Thursday from the Oval Office, then follow it up Friday with remarks from a Virginia marine base, and with the release of an Iraq status report. ...
Despite that, Bush ordered an additional 21,500 additional troops to Iraq in January, followed up by another 8,000 soon after in an attempt to bring stability to the war-torn nation.
Bush's Oval Office announcement is expected to lay out a plan to phase out those surge troops, leaving about 135,000 still in Iraq.
"I think he's planning to get out of office without having to pull all of our troops out of Iraq and then the strategy will be to blame the democrats for what follows. It's a very cynical political strategy," Wilson said.
Also that the Mad Cow crisis is over (30 days after announcement all beef products from Canada will be allowed in the States) - which makes me wonder what we are giving in exchange for that privilege. There may be hints in the speech, but this is one prediction I am not sure of.
Posts: 771 | Location: Winnipeg | Registered: 06 September 2001
I plan to watch Gordan Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares on the BBC instead. I can't stand that lying S.O.B. Men are dying and the fact that he can still justify and there are those folks who still believe it sickens me. The fact that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid don't have the spine to confront him it gets worse and worse and worse.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
It is your rational objectiveness that draws me to you. Your dedication to unbiased analyses through crystal clear lens of reason is an inspiration to everyone. I love how to restain yourself from jumping to conclusions.
no logan, im only going by past speeches by the president. we have heard him say mission accomplished, bring them on, the insurgency is in its last push, the iranians are supplying the iraqi 'terrorists'.
we have heard his excuses on wiretapping, torture, indefinite detention of prisoners, and his stances on immigration, fiscal responsibility , and his reasoning or reason of the month, for invading and continueing to occupy iraq.
he has refered to the war on terror as a "crusade", refering it to a religious war. he refered to australians as "austrians", mangles the english language on a constant basis, and sometimes say things that make no sense.
in other words, you dont know what to expect with him.
btw, when are you joining the anti war crowd logan? your time is up if you dont remember, here is your quote:
Posted 09 December 2005 23:31
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I am going out on a limb and tell you what I THINK Bush will be doing to finish up in Iraq. Elections this month. Troop draw down in the summer, primarily the National Guard. Keep scaling back until summer of 07. We will always have a small fight force in Iraq. The same as in South Korea, Bosnia, Germany and Japan. Funny, kind of looks like Murtha�s plan without Bush actually putting it in writing. As I said before; � I believe the democrats are trying to get out in front of something that is already in the works, so they can that credit for it.� It is the only plan that makes sense. Therefore, if we still have 150,000 troops in Iraq by summer of 07, I will come back here and join the ranks of the antiwar crowd. But since we have hit every other benchmark that was set, I have confidence that this will go down in history as a great pivotal event and Bush being a Great President.
still think iraq will go down as a great pivital event? do you honestly believe bush will be rated as a great president?
im going to post more in an hour, when the speech comes on.
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Also that the Mad Cow crisis is over (30 days after announcement all beef products from Canada will be allowed in the States) - which makes me wonder what we are giving in exchange for that privilege. There may be hints in the speech, but this is one prediction I am not sure of.
Have you ever been to the Vermont Quebec border. There is no point just open fields. Cross one cow a couple of feet and she becomes Canadian. The Montana Alberta border is even bigger and more remote. Farmers and ranchers have been trading cattle and bulls for years. The Sioux have a shared both countries within their tribal border.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
btw, when are you joining the anti war crowd logan? your time is up if you dont remember, here is your quote:
My time is running out, it is not currently UP. I am still waiting for Petraus Report to hit the web so I can read it. I read plenty of stories from other people on what he said, but I am more curious on what he actually said.
Dont worry, you are on the mind constantly these days.
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Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005
My time is running out, it is not currently UP. I am still waiting for Petraus Report to hit the web so I can read it. I read plenty of stories from other people on what he said, but I am more curious on what he actually said.
I personally think the most important moment was when he was asked by Virginia Senator John Warner "Is what we are doing in Iraq making us safer?" General Petraus response was "I don't know" I think Petraus is a good man (as all of our military folks officers and non officers) To use them for political purposes is disposable and no free thinking American should tolerate that. I am sure there are those who can make excuses. Hell they made excuses from everything from lynching to Hitler. Nothing surprises me anymore. God help this country
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
lol well the speech is starting and the first thing i notice is the title of the speech, iraq:moving forward.
its ironic, since that slogan is exactly the opposite of "stay the course".
here he is
hes says iraq is fighting for its survival. he is tying a safe iraq to a secure america. now hes talking about the surge.
he says conditions in iraq is improving and the surge is working. hes talking how his success in iraq has allowed him to bring troops home. sounds like "cut and run", as the conservatives call it, to me.
now hes talking about alquida in iraq. he just mentioned that young sunnis who were once insurgents are now joining the iraqi military. thats nice. let them have control of iraqs weapons (which we are supplying). thats smart.
hes talking about the general living conditions of the residents of iraq. well, overall, less people have water and electric than before the invasion.
once again he is making an alquida/ iraq connection, hence a 911/ iraq connection. hes now talking about iraqi unity. iraq has been divided by sectarian violence for centuries!! what the hell is he thinking?!?
he said they have killed over 1400 enemy "terrorists" every month since january. i wonder how many of those 'terrorists' were actually innocent civilians?
hes going to reduce the force in iraq by 5700 troops by xmas. ya, thats not going to happen. hes talking about troops shifting responsibility to the iraqis. didnt he say that 2 or 3 years ago?
listen to this crap!!! the more successful we are, the more troops will come home! what kind of stunt is he trying to pull?!?! hes now claiming we are successful in iraq and can now start pulling troops out.
nows hes preaching that both sides can come together (war and anti war).
he says a free iraq will be a partner in the war on terror. but isnt iraq free now? did they not have 3 elections?
hes claiming that if we are forced out of iraq, then iraq will go into chaos, children will have more dangerous world, terrorists will be embolden, says americans must agree to counter iran.
lol hes asking congress to come together for a middle east policy. what a load of crap. hes off his mind!!
hes saying the fate of democracy in the entire world is determined by iraq.
hes talking about an email recieved by a family of a killed soldier. nice that he was able to pick out a positive letter out of the millions of negative ones.
he says its never too late to support our troops in a war we can win.
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Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
ok i was typing fast during that speech, so now i have more time to write about what i just heard.
by way of is speech, he is attempting to misguide people into thinking that we are bringing troops home because of 'victories' whereas it is just another term for 'retreat'. we needed to pull out, retreat, and get out of there a longg time ago.
by convincing other that we really are 'winning' he can point to a republican strategy that helped the war on terror. perhaps this will fool a few hundred people, but im certainly not buying.
i really dont understand why he keeps on playing the alquida-iraq connection. alquida was non existant in iraq before our invasion. and their presence isnt even that strong in there now. most violence comes from sectarian violence, not terrorist activity.
i was also stunned by his quote that " a free iraq will be a strong partner in the war on terror". is this the same iraq that already has had 3 democratic elections? isnt that free? is it also the same iraq we are supplying arms to and training and the exact same iraq that bush says "young sunnis who were once insergents are now joining the iraqi military"? isnt that the same thing that happened with osama? we trained, armed, and then it came to bite us in the ass?
we should have never gone in there, let alone stay for years.
bush also called americans to come into agreement to "counter iran", as if he is planning an attack of sorts. perhaps this "victory pullout" is just a cover for a surge in iran.
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perhaps "moving forward" really is moving fowards, especially if it means moving troops back home.
the title is also supposed to (i guess) strike images of victory and accomplishments. even hitler, while germany was being bombed by the allies, kept on shouting about the german advances throughout europe.
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Why is Bush mentioning Iran specifically? Is that were the 5,700 U.S. troops going to be deployed next?
What about the American troops in Afghanistan?
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he says conditions in iraq is improving and the surge is working. hes talking how his success in iraq has allowed him to bring troops home. sounds like "cut and run", as the conservatives call it, to me.
Vaudree said: If you are withdrawing troops out of Iraq because of "benchmarks" rather than "mistakes" then you may be able to convince voters that you are not actually cutting and running.
There have already been leaks as to the Bush's throne speech tonight. He is going to slowly bring troops home with every victory in Iraq. How do we know that the US has had a victory in Iraq - more troops are coming home!
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hes going to reduce the force in iraq by 5700 troops by xmas. ya, thats not going to happen.
Wasn't that the amount the Democrat guy Jack Reed said that Bush increased troops 9 months ago by?
Vaudree said: Bush is bringing the troop levels back to those at the beginning of the year.
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Farmers and ranchers have been trading cattle and bulls for years.
That was cut back a bit when a former American in Alberta ended up with a Mad Cow. It has been lifted except for older cows. Since the consequence of finding a mad cow on one's property is killing the entire herd, I think they have been a bit queazy. Also, banning Canadian Beef allows American beef to corner the American market.
Native territories which straddle borders don't count - that is not fair!
Why is Bush mentioning Iran specifically? Is that were the 5,700 U.S. troops going to be deployed next?
Well if he sends them to Iran, it would be on a suicide mission, since Iran has an organized army of a million.
All I can say is I watched it (with my wine, although kind of sad playing a drinking game alone, as my husband is presently in London). The only redeeming factor is that I watched it on MSNBC, and I think I FINALLY saw a glimmer of criticism by the MSM of the president. Even that Chris Matthews was very critical of his speech.
I don't watch MSM news very often, but I hope this shift of coverage, is a sign of changes.
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
Posts: 875 | Location: The Emerald City | Registered: 02 January 2007
Well, I watched Burn Notice on USA network. If anyone wants a synopsis let me know. I see Mike still doesn't like Bush.
Does anyone else think it's weird that in the middle of a war, the generals have to go before congress and describe troop deployments on national television? Would Eisenhaur or Patton put up with that? We are screwed. Peace only follows victory.
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Posts: 8264 | Location: Fl | Registered: 05 July 2001
You see, my brother's wife was told this last weekend that her son (in the reserves) is being recalled back for a 4th tour. She is not a happy camper, he was injured in the last tour. I think her definition of victory would be getting her son out of that mess over there and back home with his family.
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That was cut back a bit when a former American in Alberta ended up with a Mad Cow. It has been lifted except for older cows. Since the consequence of finding a mad cow on one's property is killing the entire herd, I think they have been a bit queazy. Also, banning Canadian Beef allows American beef to corner the American market.
I did not make myself clear. I am talking about breeding stock. cattle migrate across the border everyday. Theres a bar in Vermont that actually crosses the Quebec border. Tax time must be a real hoot.
Native territories which straddle borders don't count - that is not fair!
Tell that to Buffy St. Marie and the Sioux Nation.
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
Does anyone else think it's weird that in the middle of a war, the generals have to go before congress and describe troop deployments on national television? Would Eisenhaur or Patton put up with that? We are screwed. Peace only follows victory
Thank you Sawdust: I thinks its wrong that our military be used for political purposes. Its the job of the military to carry out orders and set strategy. Its the job of the president to make his case to the American people.
But I too ask What is Victory? If this is a civil war as many now see it, Isn't it up to the Iraqi people to settle their regional/tribal conflicts and build a nation? Should the US military be used to keep these fractions from killing each other? If that is true, isn't this a job for peace keepers and not soldiers?
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
You kill people and break things until the other side cries uncle.
We will be in Iraq until the other side quits or we transfer the violence to armed Iraqis. Even at that, we will continue to support them. Mark my words.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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You kill people and break things until the other side cries uncle.
The Sunni, the Shia are we taking sides now? And what about the Kurds? Recently, the Turks moved a significant force to the Kurdish border. Nothing happened but suppose there is a Kurdish rebellion within Turkey and the Turks cross the border for real? Will we be involved in that as well?
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Posts: 1944 | Location: Beautiful New Paltz, NY | Registered: 04 July 2006
I thinks its wrong that our military be used for political purposes. Its the job of the military to carry out orders and set strategy. Its the job of the president to make his case to the American people.
I agree a hundred percent. There are people in Washington complaining that Petraus delivered the Bush report. Well, no shit. Bush is the Commander in Chief and they are all working on the same side with goals set by the administration. It's fair do criticize the administration but it's not either fair or productive to criticize the military who take their marching orders from the President.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
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The Sunni, the Shia are we taking sides now? And what about the Kurds? Recently, the Turks moved a significant force to the Kurdish border. Nothing happened but suppose there is a Kurdish rebellion within Turkey and the Turks cross the border for real? Will we be involved in that as well?
It's a mess isn't it.
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Senator Jack Reed gave the Democratic response, and the contrast with Bush’s speech was striking to those who paid careful attention. Bush addressed the situation in Iraq with detail and nuance. He described varying situations on the ground in different, specific regions of the country, spoke of particular movements and individuals, and showed
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, and his reasoning or reason of the month, for invading and continueing to occupy iraq.
if you dont remember, here is your quote:
