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This was on BBC for 3 weeks in October. It's the best summary in one place I've seen so far of what's *really* going on in America and around the world, and why, and because of whom.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

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It should come with some sort of warning ...
 
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Hi Thom,

Yeah. We caught this series over here and it was a top piece of work. It's funny .... since the ex (and generally popular) Director General of the BBC Greg Dike was 'forced' to resign following the results of the Hutton enquiry (Iraq war), the BBC has been fighting back against the Blair/Bush stance. It and Channel 4 have aired some pretty enlightening stuff.

Watch out for that evil terrorist network though. They are everywhere!!! <g>

K.


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Here's a good critique of the series. I found it on ZNet.


Nightmare Fear

......... by David Edwards November 20, 2004
......... and David Cromwell
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the public alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." (H.L. Mencken, 1923)

Introduction - Pyrrhic Applause

"Every so often a programme comes along that makes watching television not only a duty but a pleasure." So wrote Guardian TV critic Rupert Smith of the BBC2 series The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis. Smith's conclusion: "Documentary of the year, without a shadow of a doubt." (October 21, 2004) Writing in the same paper, Madeleine Bunting described the series as "hugely important". (October 25)

In the Times, David Chater observed: "If Curtis is even half right, The Power of Nightmares is not just the programme of the week, it is the documentary series of the year." (The Times, October 30) Chater's conclusion: "Unmissable". (The Times, October 23)

"Unmissable", agreed Kathryn Flett in The Observer (October 31, 2004) "Simply unmissable", was Thomas Sutcliffe's verdict in The Independent (October 21). For the Financial Times it was "a brilliant television essay". (Robert Shrimsley, October 22) The Evening Standard considered it "seriously brilliant". (Jim Shelley, October 26)

The adulation was all but unrelenting. We wonder if Adam Curtis felt just a little uneasy. Noam Chomsky once remarked:

"If you are not offending people who ought to be offended, you're doing something wrong." (http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/www/pubs/gater/spring95/apr27/chom.htm)

Curtis, who wrote and directed the series, summed up his thesis at the start of each programme:

"In the past, politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this. But their power and authority came from the optimistic visions they offered to their people. Those dreams failed. And today, people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life. But now, they have discovered a new role that restores their power and authority. Instead of delivering dreams, politicians now promise to protect us from nightmares. They say that they will rescue us from dreadful dangers that we cannot see and do not understand. And the greatest danger of all is international terrorism... But much of this threat is a fantasy, which has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians." (Curtis, 'The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear', BBC2, 3-part series broadcast on October 20, 27 & November 3, 2004)

This was a superficially interesting analysis of our current predicament. But Curtis was careful not to identify exactly when politicians' power ceased to come "from the optimistic visions they offered to their people". In fact, however fraudulently, politicians do still offer optimistic visions: improved public services, enhanced employment opportunities, greater equality of opportunity and justice, and so on. And our society is still deeply in love with the idea and promise of 'progress', as exemplified by the IT and telecoms revolutions. Many people's sense of the 'manifest destiny' of the human race is such that they believe high-tech wizardry will somehow avert even the threat posed by climate change and other horrors.

The idea that past dreams "have failed" so that people "have lost faith in ideologies" is Blairite nonsense. In reality, corporate globalisation has sought to crush meaningful politics - dismissed as "ideological politics" - regardless of the wishes of the public. Opinion polls and global mass protest movements show that vast numbers of people are frustrated that politicians are little more than "managers of public life", in fact servants of corporate power. The greatest, much-reviled, political coup of recent times involved Tony Blair's demolition of British party politics, by which the Labour Party was transformed into a Tory Party with a smiley face also serving big business.

Modern mainstream political discourse in Britain has been largely reduced to a meditation on the ancient Zen koan: "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" The sound was silence last year, for example, after 2 million anti-war protestors marched in London only to be ignored by the two leading parties, which were seamlessly united in supporting a breathtakingly cynical war.

The Story Begins When?!

With regard to the series' main theme, Curtis declared: "The story begins in the summer of 1949" when Sayyed Qutb, an Egyptian living in Colorado, came to a grim judgement on the United States:

"American society was not going forwards; it was taking people backwards. They were becoming isolated beings, driven by primitive animal forces. Such creatures, Qutb believed, could corrode the very bonds that held society together. And he became determined that night to prevent this culture of selfish individualism taking over his own country."

At the same time, in Chicago, Curtis informed us, "there was another man who shared the same fears about the destructive force of individualism in America." This was philosopher Leo Strauss, who believed that the liberal idea of individual freedom "threatened to tear apart the shared values which held society together."

Just as Qutb came to inspire al Qaeda, so Strauss came to inspire America's neoconservatives, Curtis argued:

"The neoconservatives were idealists. Their aim was to try and stop the social disintegration they believed liberal freedoms had unleashed. They wanted to find a way of uniting the people by giving them a shared purpose."

In response, they would target the Soviet Union in a mythical battle of Good against Evil: "And by doing this, they believed that they would not only give new meaning and purpose to people's lives, but they would spread the good of democracy around the world."

You have to admire Curtis's filmmaking nous. This version of international politics was +guaranteed+ to appeal to critics' liberal and artistic sensibilities. The idea that al Qaeda and the neocons closely mirror each other - with similar ideals, similar goals, and a similar need to demonise each other as terrible threats - is wonderfully ironic. It was certain to generate a delighted 'You couldn't make it up!' response from journalists. Alas, in fact, Curtis largely +did+ make it up.

The series also contained the 'subversive' suggestion that politicians exploit non-existent threats to manipulate the public. This is obvious to anyone who has heard of "dodgy dossiers", who noted pre-war attempts to link al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein, who witnessed the rash of pre-war terror alerts in Britain last year, and who knows anything about earlier Red Scares. But it is deemed a dangerously radical idea by liberal journalists who delight in believing that they are, if anything, +too+ willing to embrace radical ideas. By contrast, +genuinely+ dangerous ideas - ideas that threaten to have journalists labelled 'crusading' and 'committed' - are dismissed without a thought and never discussed.

Curtis's message was mixed with suitably 'balancing' naivety - the neoconservatives "were idealists" who "would spread the good of democracy around the world", they were intent on using American power "aggressively as a force for good". The neocons, then, are bad apples, but well-meaning bad apples. And a focus on bad apples - Nixon, Clinton, Murdoch, Maxwell - is fine from the point of view of a propaganda system which, above all, fears exposure of institutional violence and corruption: the fact that party politics is a corporate sham, that the corporate media is a sham, that the Western promotion of human rights and democracy abroad is designed to camouflage the violent control and exploitation of defenceless people.

Above all, the series was isolated from meaningful political and economic context - key words like 'business' and 'corporation' were barely mentioned. This left the public in the dark about the real interests and goals shaping modern politics, economics and international affairs.

As a result, the series sailed through the filters of the liberal propaganda system to be greeted with rapturous applause. The BBC is thus able to claim to have lived up to perennial liberal hopes that it is a genuinely independent and subversive medium both able and willing to challenge established power.

But let's take a look at just how much Curtis left out of his analysis.

'Bludgeoning' The Public With The 'Communist Menace'

As discussed, Curtis located key goals of modern US foreign policy in the beliefs of a group of myth-making "idealists" who were said to be motivated by a perceived need to counter the destructive impacts of "selfish individualism". Taking this seriously is no mean task. It requires that we ignore much political and economic reality, much recent history, and that we blindly accept state-corporate propaganda at face value.

In the real world, by the end of 1945, with the other Great Powers devastated by war, the United States had become the world's premier economic and military power. It was a state of affairs US leaders were naturally keen to entrench. George Kennan, head of the State Department Policy Planning Staff, wrote in 1948:

"We have 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction." (Kennan, PPS 23, http://www.firethistime.org/georgekennanpps23.htm)

Maintaining this preferential "pattern of relationships" would require the ruthless and costly flexing of financial and military muscle. And, as ever, some justification other than the need to fatten corporate bank accounts would have to be provided for public consumption. US Secretary of State Dean Acheson warned that it would be necessary "to bludgeon the mass mind of 'top government' with the Communist threat in order to gain approval for the planned programs of rearmament and intervention." (Chomsky, Deterring Democracy, Vintage, 1992, p.90)

In fact, of course, such bludgeoning would have to be directed at the entire population, if it was to be convinced of the righteousness of massive military budgets funding violent intervention. The Australian social scientist Alex Carey explained how this could best be done:

"A society or culture which is disposed to view the world in Manichean terms [i.e. good versus evil] will be more vulnerable to control by propaganda. Conversely, a society where propaganda is extensively employed as a means of social control will tend to retain a Manichean world-view, a world-view dominated by symbols and visions of the Sacred and the Satanic." (Alex Carey, Taking The Risk Out Of Democracy, UNSW Press, 1995, p.15)

The postwar assault on public opinion that followed was itself a version of earlier, business-driven propaganda campaigns. These focused on "identification of the traditional American free-enterprise system with social harmony, freedom, democracy, the family, the church, and patriotism; and identification of all government regulation of the affairs of business, and all liberals who supported such 'interference', with communism and subversion." (Carey, ibid, p.27)

Notice that this did indeed involve an attack on "selfish individualism" as a threat to the moral fabric of American society, as Curtis claims. But this was a concocted rhetorical cover for the real goal - business control of domestic society and foreign resources for the maximisation of power and profit - and was not, in itself, a genuine or motivating concern. To believe otherwise is simply to be deceived.

Noam Chomsky comments:

"Woodrow Wilson's Red Scare was the earliest and most extreme resort to state power in twentieth-century America to suppress labour, political dissidence, and independent thought." (Chomsky, Necessary Illusions, Pluto Press, 1991, p.185)

"Selfish individualism" was not the problem. Carey fills in some of the detail:

"During 1918 business's most effective weapon for the ensuing confrontation with the unions was public apprehension about the threat to American society and institutions from 'un-American' sentiment and 'un-American' radicalism among the foreign-born... In January 1920 the Great Steel Strike collapsed, with disastrous consequences for the entire labour movement. It had predictably been represented by government and business interests as a Bolshevist revolutionary challenge to American society by un-American foreign-born workers. [...] Thereafter the business leaders of the Americanisation movement could permit a level of public indifference, for they had gained control over the presidency as well as public opinion and had begun the long process of closing the American mind to critical thought." (Carey, op.cit., pp.62-63)

This closing of the American mind continued through the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. In a December 1948 speech, for example, J. Warren Kinsmann, chairman of the National Association of Manufacturers' Public Relations Advisory Committee and vice president of Du Pont, reminded businessmen that "in the everlasting battle for the minds of men" the tools of public relations were the only weapons "powerful enough to arouse public opinion sufficiently to check the steady, insidious and current drift toward Socialism." (Quoted, Elizabeth Fones-Wolf, Selling Free Enterprise, University of Illinois Press, 1992, p.52)

But the demonising of foreign enemies did not begin with anti-communism. In 1816, echoing Curtis on al Qaeda, Thomas Jefferson wrote that Great Britain "hated and despised us beyond every earthly object." Britain was not just the enemy of the United States, but was "truly hostis humani generis," an enemy of the entire human race, in classic al Qaeda style. John Adams wrote that Britons were, "Taught from the cradles to scorn, insult and abuse" Americans, such that "Britain will never be our friend till we are her master." (Quoted, Noam Chomsky, Year 501, Verso, 1993, p.25)

Similar propaganda has been used to demonise the menacing Spaniard, the Hun, the native Indian, international drug traffickers, single mothers - whoever happens to be the latest target for vilification. It is a very old and obvious theme of state propaganda, not a relatively recent neocon development, as Curtis claims.

Manufacturing The Myth Of 'America'

American elites have long sought to manufacture and promote a shared myth of 'America' based on "symbols by which Americans defined their dream and pictured social reality." (Carey, op.cit., p.75)

Adam Curtis alluded to this myth-making, but he portrayed it as a process initiated and pursued by neoconservatives from the 1940s onwards, inspired by the teachings of Leo Strauss.

There was no hint that these myths were small elements of a vast programme of social engineering carried out by US governments, both Democrat and Republican, and by powerful business associations, from the first days of the 20th century and earlier.

Indeed Curtis had nothing to say about the key issue of business control of American society - the words 'corporate', 'corporation' and 'business' were not mentioned in the series. The neocons were depicted as fanatical ideologues, with literally zero mention of their roots in the business community. In April 2001, the Guardian's Julian Borger reported:

"In the Bush administration, business is the only voice... This is as close as it is possible to get in a democracy to a government of business, by business and for business." (Borger, 'All the president's businessmen', The Guardian, April 27, 2001)

Robert Reich, Clinton's former labour secretary added: "There's no longer any countervailing power in Washington. Business is in complete control of the machinery of government." (Ibid)

The reality that the neocon project is profit-driven rather than ideology-driven makes a nonsense of the idea that it aims to "spread the good of democracy around the world". As the US historian Sidney Lens noted recently:

"Even a cursory look suggests that American policy has been motivated not by lofty regard for the needs of other peoples but by America's own desire for land, commerce, markets, spheres of influence, investments, as well as strategic impregnability to protect such prerogatives. The primary focus has not been moral, but imperial." (Lens, 'The Forging of the American Empire', Pluto Press, London, 2003, p.14)

Curtis, by contrast, uncritically accepted neocon rhetoric. On the election of Reagan as president in 1980, Curtis said:

"The neoconservatives believed that they now had the chance to implement their vision of America's revolutionary destiny, to use the country's power aggressively as a force for good in an epic battle to defeat the Soviet Union. It was a vision that they shared with millions of their new religious allies." ('The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear. Part 1: "Baby, it's cold outside"', BBC2, October 20, 2004)

Curtis reiterated the point: "A small group in the Reagan White House saw... a way of achieving their vision of transforming the world." They would "bring down the Soviet Union and help spread democracy around the world. It was called the Reagan Doctrine." (Part 2, 'The Phantom Victory', October 27, 2004)

This is deeply misleading. In her seminal account of the business brainwashing of America from 1945-1960, Selling Free Enterprise, Elizabeth Fones-Wolf wrote:

"All this effort helped create a major political shift that would culminate in the election of Ronald Reagan, the subsequent tax cuts benefiting the wealthy, the elimination of regulation, and the severe cutbacks in social services." (Selling Free Enterprise - The Business Assault on Labour and Liberalism, 1945-60, University of Illinois Press, 1994, p.289)

Directly contradicting Curtis' thesis, Fones-Wolf noted that "the business community laid the ideological and institutional foundations for the nation's movement +toward+ a more individualistic ethos." (Ibid, p.289, our emphasis)

But there was nothing new in the neocon propaganda campaign:

"Indeed, perhaps Ronald Reagan best symbolises the continuity. Beginning in 1954, the future president of the United States spent eight years in the employment of General Electric, hosting a television programme and speaking to employee and local civic group audiences as part of the company's public relations and economic education programme. During that time, Reagan fine-tuned a message that he would repeat in the late seventies, warning of the threat that labour and the state pose to our 'free economy'."(Ibid)

Demolishing Democracy

Similarly, the Reaganite neocons (many still in power, now, as part of the Bush cabal) engaged in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people in Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere. The concern was not to spread but to restrict democracy to protect US control of human and natural resources. Robert Pastor, director of Latin American and Caribbean Affairs on the National Security Council through the Carter years, explained:

"The United States... wanted Nicaraguans to act independently, except when doing so would affect US interests adversely." (Quoted, Noam Chomsky, 'Deterring Democracy', Hill And Wang, 1992, p.261)

The cover story for US intervention throughout the postwar period, until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989, was indeed the 'Soviet threat'. But as Harvard academic Samuel Huntington advised government planners in 1981:

"You may have to sell [US intervention] in such a way as to create the misimpression that it is the Soviet Union that you are fighting. That is what the United States has done ever since the Truman Doctrine [of 1947]". (Ibid, p.90)

The real enemy was independent nationalism, the risk that Third World resources might fall out of US control. To select at random, a US State Department official warned prior to the 1954 US coup in Guatemala:

"Guatemala has become an increasing threat to the stability of Honduras and El Salvador. Its agrarian reform is a powerful propaganda weapon; its broad social program of aiding the workers and peasants in a victorious struggle against the upper classes and large foreign enterprises has a strong appeal to the populations of Central American neighbors where similar conditions prevail." (Quoted, Piero Gleijeses, Shattered Hope: The Guatemalan Revolution and the United States, Princeton University Press, 1991, p.365)

The CIA told the White House in April 1964:

"Cuba's experiment with almost total state socialism is being watched closely by other nations in the hemisphere, and any appearance of success there could have an extensive impact on the statist trend elsewhere in the area." (Quoted, Walter LaFeber, Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America, New York: Norton, 1993, p.157)

Curtis ignored this documented historical reality. This is particularly significant as we know that Curtis +is+ aware of it. Two years ago, Media Lens challenged him following the broadcast of his BBC TV series, The Century of the Self, which purported to chart the rise of propaganda in the 20th century. In this series Curtis argued:

"Politicians and planners came to believe that Freud was right to suggest that hidden deep within all human beings were dangerous and irrational desires and fears. They were convinced that it was the unleashing of these instincts that had lead to the barbarism of Nazi Germany. To stop it ever happening again, they set out to find ways to control the hidden enemy within the human mind." (The Century of the Self - The Engineering of Consent, BBC2, March 24, 2002)

We suggested to Curtis that the real fear of politicians and planners was the existence of dangerous +rational+ desires and fears - popular desires for equity, justice and functioning democracy; popular fears that unbridled capitalism and militarism would once again lead to horrors on the scale of the two world wars. We asked him: "Do you really believe that big business was fundamentally motivated to avoid a repetition of the barbarism of Nazi Germany?" (Media Lens to Curtis, June 5, 2002)

We also asked Curtis why he had given detailed attention to Guatemalan history in that series, while failing to mention US responsibility for the 150,000 civilians killed as a result of its attack on Guatemala. On June 19, 2002, Curtis responded:

"I never said 'big business was motivated to avoid a repetition of the barbarism of nazi Germany'. I very clearly separated the early, na�ve reaction of politicians and social planners to psychological evidence and the lobbying of ambitious psychologists, from the cynical and corrupt use of those ideas by big business and later cold-war politicians which then followed."

Curtis continued: "I explicitly used the Guatemala story as an example of that form of corruption."

Remarkably, of this "cynical and corrupt use" of ideas by big business there was not one word in The Power Of Nightmares.

Understanding Bin Laden - Motives Behind September 11

As part of his idea of parallels linking Islamic jihadists and the US neocons, Curtis argued that both are motivated by a fear and hatred of "selfish individualism":

"The attacks on America had been planned by a small group that had come together around bin Laden in the late 90s. What united them was an idea: an extreme interpretation of Islamism developed by Ayman Zawahiri." (Part 3, 'The Shadows in the Cave', November 3, 2004)

Inspired by Sayyed Qutb, Zawahiri, who was bin Laden's mentor, came to believe that "the infection of [Western] selfish individualism had gone so deep into people's minds that they were now as corrupted as their leaders... It wasn't just leaders like Sadat who were no longer real Muslims, it was the people themselves. And Zawahiri believed that this meant that they too could legitimately be killed. But such killing, Zawahiri believed, would have a noble purpose, because of the fear and the terror that it would create in the minds of ordinary Muslims. It would shock them into seeing reality in a different way. They would then see the truth." (Part 1, 'Baby It's Cold Outside', October 20, 2004)

But in interviews, Osama bin Laden has clearly listed three political grievances as primary motives for the September 11, 2001 attacks: the oppression of Palestinians, the devastating effect of US-UK sanctions and war on Iraqi civilians, and US military bases in Saudi Arabia. The Independent's Robert Fisk wrote in 2001:

"Why do we always play politics on the hoof, making quick-fix promises to vulnerable allies of convenience after years of accepting, even creating, the injustices of the Middle East and South-west Asia? How soon before we decide - and not before time - to lift sanctions against Iraq, and allow tens of thousands of Iraqi children to live instead of die? Or promise (in return for the overthrow of Saddam) to withdraw our forces from the Arabian peninsula? After all - say this not too loudly - if we promised and fulfilled all that, every one of Osama bin Laden's demands will have been met." (Fisk, 'Promises, Promises', The Independent, October 17, 2001)

To ignore these serious political grievances and to focus instead on a fanatical hatred of Western "selfish individualism" is absurd.

In reality, the idea that the neocons and al Qaeda "shared the same fears" is a satisfyingly ironic fiction rooted in selective inattention to the facts. Both, in reality, are highly motivated by pragmatic concerns to do with the wielding and abuse of power.

Curtis's thesis is not entirely without merit. As he says, "much of this threat [of Islamic terrorism] is a fantasy, which has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It's a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services, and the international media."

The 'threat' of al Qaeda clearly has been overblown by western politicians and a compliant media.

But the manufactured 'threat' of international terrorism is a fiction that distracts from a far more important truth: that Western governments are by far the most powerful and, in terms of numbers killed, most deadly agents of terrorism. This unpalatable truth was not even acknowledged by Curtis. Indeed it is hard to imagine that such a genuinely heretical and honest point could ever be made in a major BBC series.

In Hope Of Another "Crisis Of Democracy"

Curtis also claimed that, like the jihadists, the neocons despised the "selfish individualism" of the 1960s, and the 'threat' to American morals it represented. But in reality this was a rhetorical cover for an attack on a different, very real enemy - the rise of civil rights, anti-war, environmental, feminist and other grassroots movements.

A 1975 study on the "governability of democracies" by the influential Trilateral Commission warned of an "excess of democracy" in the United States that was contributing to "the reduction of governmental authority" at home and a consequent "decline in the influence of democracy abroad." This general "crisis of democracy" resulted from the efforts of previously marginalised sectors of the population attempting to involve themselves in the political process. The study urged more "moderation in democracy" to overcome the crisis. (Quoted, Noam Chomsky, Necessary Illusions, Pluto Press, 1991, pp.2-3)

A top secret US Defense Department memorandum in March 1968 had earlier warned that escalating the war in Vietnam ran "great risks of provoking a domestic crisis of unprecedented proportions", including "increased defiance of the draft and growing unrest in the cities". These threats were very much on the minds of military planners as they decided whether to massively escalate the assault on Vietnam, or back off, after the Tet offensive. This naturally represented an intolerable interference in policy from the point of elites. (The Pentagon Papers, Vol. IV, p. 564, Senator Gravel Edition, Beacon, 1972)

The danger for the state is always that the public will see through the Machiavellian intrigues of political power, and refuse to acquiesce any longer in state-sponsored slaughter and corporate exploitation of the planet. Once again, the targeted enemy was not "selfish individualism" but cooperative altruism that threatened to precisely +challenge+ selfish vested interests.

By portraying the manipulation of fear as a recent development of neocon politicians, and by blanking the institutional realities of modern politics, The Power Of Nightmares contributed to the media deluge obstructing the re-emergence of another "crisis of democracy".

Conclusion

In his 2002 series, The Century Of The Self, Curtis claimed that politicians and planners had "set out to find ways to control the hidden enemy within the human mind" to ensure that "the unleashing of these instincts that had lead to the barbarism of Nazi Germany" could never surface again. In The Power Of Nightmares, Curtis spins more tall tales, claiming that the neocons are intent on using America's power aggressively "as a force for good" in order to "help spread democracy around the world."

The well-documented reality, of which Curtis is himself aware - that US leaders have long projected massive economic and military force in a conscious attempt to maximise profits and power, often regardless of the untold cost in human suffering - was nowhere to be seen.

Is it really such a surprise that Curtis's work is so well-received by the elite corporate media?

SUGGESTED ACTION

The goal of Media Lens is to promote rationality, compassion and respect for others. In writing letters to journalists, we strongly urge readers to maintain a polite, non-aggressive and non-abusive tone.

Write to Adam Curtis, the writer and director of 'The Power of Nightmares':

Ask him why failed to address the promotion of fear and nightmares by +all+ US and UK governments in the past century. Why did he not locate the roots of neocon policies in business control of domestic and foreign societies for profit? Why did he almost entirely overlook the effects of this profit-drive in mass slaughters in Latin America and the Third World more generally? Is this very real "politics of fear" not central to an understanding of international affairs in the 20th and 21st centuries?

Email: adam.curtis@bbc.co.uk

Write to Roly Keating, Head of BBC2: Email: roly.keating@bbc.co.uk

Write to the BBC's commissioning editors, at: Email: http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/

You can also leave messages at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nightmares

Write to Jana Bennet, head of BBC Television Email: jana.bennett@bbc.co.uk

Please also send all emails to us at Media Lens: Email: editor@medialens.org

Visit the Media Lens website: http://www.medialens.org


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Hi Usha,

I'm fine babes, how are you Smiler

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Yup good critique and I agree with the points re: that it isn't just a neocon agenda or indeed a recent agenda and the failure to mention corporate power and it's infiltration of domestic and national politics in the series was a wasted opportunity. I guess that's the 'biggie' that ironically enough people are 'Fearful' of looking at. Time we did though.

K.


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I'm just fine Kenny... Big kiss to you!

 
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Usha. Big Kiss to you too babes. Big Grin


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Ref 'The Power of Nightmares'(nothing to do with kissing)

Yep, gently does it, you dont want to scare people do you.
 
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Talk about excellent timing. I admit it could just be coincidence but...

'Security services foil 9/11 attack in UK' -- The disclosure comes as the Government prepares to unveil a series of tough law-and-order Bills in this morning's Queen's Speech


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There is now ample video, photographic and other evidence that the 911 events were orchestrated by the US government.

The following press release was sent to more than 4,000 reporters prior to the recent election...

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The 9/11 Conspiracy is not a Theory anymore

How reasonable is it to label something a �conspiracy theory� without having first investigated the evidence to determine its validity? No one has the right to pass judgment before hearing the case.

Don�t swallow without question the �official story�. Consider the following shocking and revealing findings about 9/11:

CONTENTS:

1. Introductory Statements

2. Unanswered Questions about 9/11

3. Prominent Individuals Speak Out

4. Closing Statements

5. Resources: Websites / Movies / Books

1. Introductory Statements

There is overwhelming well-documented evidence from numerous and credible sources�websites, books, videos, renowned individuals in high office, etc.�that point to the probability of a masterfully orchestrated 9/11 conspiracy planned and executed by the U.S. government. Why? To rally public support for its agendas, i.e. the war on terrorism, interests in oil, etc.

A Zogby poll found 49.7% of New York residents�the figure in Canada is 63% and in Europe, even higher�believe that the Bush administration was complicit in the events of 9/11, either by having foreknowledge and �letting it happen� or by actually orchestrating the event.

SEE: www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841

With the nation in the throes of war and the upcoming presidential election, it seems that the most pivotal event in recent history�9/11�is not getting the attention it deserves. Millions of individuals, driven by concern and hungry for accurate information, are flocking to the Internet and alternative media for answers the mainstream journalists are not delivering.

People expect more from the media than what they have been getting. The American public deserves to know the truth. Reporting the news is a moral obligation to uphold the journalist�s code of ethics, and must not be driven by job security, a paycheck or a popularity contest for ratings. It is a journalist�s duty to investigate the truth behind 9/11 and deliver it fairly, honestly and courageously.

A journalist who neglects to investigate the evidence and to report the truth consigns himself to living with the guilt of being complicit in the crime.

Deeper investigation into the truth behind 9/11 may cause you to re-evaluate your core beliefs about our government and its motivations.
All of the questions raised here are based on evidence brought forth in videos, photographs, eyewitness accounts, and declarations made by credible individuals, including government insiders. This information is available to anyone who cares to dig deeper. See the list of resources�websites, films and publications�listed at the end of this email for details.

If you are unable to provide reasonable explanations for the following questions, then you need to investigate the evidence of the resources here provided before you can credit yourself with an opinion.

2. Startling questions about what really happened on 9/11 that are still unanswered:

� What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given to our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?

� Why was Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator�who has first hand knowledge of advance warnings�publicly silenced with a gag order by Attorney General Ashcroft?
� If the government claims that it had no prior knowledge of the attack, how did they also immediately come to the conclusion that Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden were responsible for the attack without even a thorough examination of the scene and the rubble?

� Why was the Bin Laden family whisked away out of the country shortly after the attack while all other airplanes were grounded?

� Why did standard FAA and NORAD operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airlines simultaneously fail that day, even though they had activated in 67 instances during the previous year?

� What bizarre coincidence can account for that fact that NORAD and NRO were conducting several war games the morning of 9/11, war games consisting of simulated responses to a scenario in which hijacked planes were crashed into buildings?

� Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history?

� Building 7 was the third skyscraper to collapse into rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, small fires leveled this building. But, not one steel-framed high-rise building in history has ever collapsed due to fire. The collapse, with attendant melted steel, exhibited all the characteristics of a controlled demolition, according to leading demolition experts. Silverstein, said on TV that he decided to �pull� (demolish) Building 7 that afternoon. Such a demolition would have had to be planned in advance, as a demolition of such magnitude and complexity cannot be evaluated, designed, equipped and executed in a mere few hours. Such an undertaking requires weeks of preparation.

� Why did President Bush publicly declare in a Florida town hall meeting several months after the attack that he saw the first plane strike the towers on television that morning, when such footage was not available until it was publicly televised the following day, 9/12? And why, knowing of the attack, he proceeded to enter the classroom of preschoolers to read them a story about a pet goat? In his own words, he explained that the reason for not taking action for the emergency was because he was �whisked off, and didn�t have time.� And then, after being told about the attack of a second plane, Mr. Bush still neglected to respond, continuing to read to the children. Later, he tried to explain away his behavior by claiming that he didn�t want to alarm the children. Why hadn�t he politely excused himself, and then, make a few phone calls? Should we expect anything less from the President of the United Stated in an emergency of such magnitude?

� Upon being told that the second tower had been hit, why did Bush not consider himself�and the school�a potential next target, and leave the school immediately? Why was there no fighter-plane escort when he finally did leave?
� Why were the extensive missile and air defenses around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

� If a 757 plane purportedly crashed into the Pentagon, how is it possible that firemen who arrived at the scene found that the roof and side of the building were still intact, except for a hole that was 18 feet in diameter (much narrower than the 125-ft. wingspan of a commercial airplane). If the jet fuel was capable of melting steel girders, why, when the roof collapsed, were rooms immediately adjacent to the walls that had been sheared nearly untouched. For example, photos and video footage show a computer on one floor, an open book, and wooden stool on another�all undamaged by fire.

3. Many government insiders and other prominent people are speaking out regarding surfacing 9/11 information:

Stanley Hilton, Senator Bob Dole�s former chief of staff, has filed a $7 billion lawsuit on behalf of the victims of 9/11 that exposes what actually happened behind the scenes, based on interviews with dozens of military officers and eyewitnesses. He says he has proof that George W. Bush ordered the 9/11 destruction.

SEE: www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204hilton.htm

www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/130904hiltontranscript.ntm

Attorney Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit against the Bush administration officials on behalf of Ellen Mariani, whose husband died on 9/11. It alleges �prior knowledge of 9/11, knowingly failing to act, prevent or warn of 9/11, and ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 9/11 . . .� and names Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, and others.
Investigative author Michael Ruppert, speaking of his book Crossing the Rubicon says, �I will name Richard Cheney as prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and establish that . . . on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications System which was superceding any orders being issued by the NMCC or the White House Situation Room. I will establish conclusively that, by presidential order, Richard Cheney was put in direct command and control of all war game and field exercise training . . . this extended to all of the conflicting and overlapping NORAD drills on 9/11.�

David Ray Griffin, distinguished professor of philosophy of religion at Claremont School of Theology, has authored The New Pearl Harbor, which eviscerates the official story about 9/11.
Andreas Von Buelow, former Defense Minister of Germany, alleges in his book that the CIA was involved in perpetrating 9/11.

Jim Marrs� expos� book, Inside Job, summarizes evidence and points to the conspiring parties.

Whistleblowers from diverse quarters are coming forth to provide even more evidence. These go further than Richard Clarke, former counter-terrorism czar, in their accusations of wrongdoing. They include Lt. Col. Steve Butler, former vice-chancellor at the Navy�s Monterey Defense Language Institute, who told the press he believed Bush knew about the impending attacks. And Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old Fire Engineering magazine, wrote that the official investigation into the collapse of the towers by fire was a �half-baked farce�.

Ray McGovern, a former CIA agent and a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, told an audience �to say that no one could prevent 9/11 was a bold-faced lie. It let the president and those responsible off the hook.�

4. Closing statements:

This story is of vital interest to the American public. All citizens�especially media professionals of conscience�have a moral obligation to join this search for truth, no matter where it leads. Our national security and our democracy demand nothing less from us.
It�s time to let the world know about what�s really going on. We must, as citizens, join collectively and mobilize to blow the whistle on the administration�s lies and deceptions. Spread the word to family and friends, reporters, bloggers, web lists, and online news sites. If enough people do this in the week before the election, the result will be a powerful national catharsis that opens the way for a new and healthier government.

� Awareness is good, but, by itself, won't get things done.

� Educating oneself, gaining knowledge and acquiring information takes it a step further.

� Caring about the situation and wanting it to change are admirable sentiments.

� But, only by taking action can we expect to effect change.

Truth is the point. Without truth there can be neither choice nor democracy. And without democracy there can be neither peace nor justice. Those who have sought peace and justice must now fight first for truth.

�If you just give people the Truth, the Republic will be safe�

� Abraham Lincoln

5. Resources:

Websites:

Where to start:

�www.911inquiry.org

www.911truth.org

www.911dossier.co.uk

www.septembereleventh.org

www.911visibilityproject.org

www.communitycurrency.org/911.html

www.whatreallyhappened.com

Others:

�http://911research.wtc7.net/

www.truth-now.com

www.911citizenswatch.org

www.911commission.gov

www.911independentcommission.org

www.911nationalnetwork.org

www.911pi.com

www.911sharethetruth.com

www.911-strike.com

www.flight93crash.com

www.insidejob-911.com

www.ny911truth.org

www.wtc7.net

www.michaelmoore.com

www.gnn.tv (news, to order 911 videos, etc.)

Movies:

Where to start:

Perspective on 9/11
by Ken Jenkins

The Great Conspiracy
Barrie Zwicker

Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear & the Selling of American Empire
SEE: www.hijackingcatastrophe.org

Fahrenheit 9/11
Michael Moore

Others:

The Truth and Lies of 9/11

The Great Deception - War on Terrorism
Barrie Zwicker

Painful Deception

America Addicted to War

Aftermath - Unanswered Questions from 9/11

9/11 in Plane Site
a Power Hour Production produced by Dave vonKleist

Invisible Ballots�A Temptation for Electronic Voting Fraud

Governments are installing computerized voting systems with no paper record to verify accuracy. Elections will be controlled by companies that do not allow voters to inspect their software. If vote counting becomes privatized, there may be no way to get it back.

SEE: www.invisibleballots.com

Unconstitutional�The War on Our Civil Liberties

Unconstitutional gives the real story behind the USA PATRIOT Act and other administration policies and the gut wrenching stories behind those affected�from law-abiding store clerks to United States Olympians unable to travel. It'll remind you of what America used to stand for and what it seems we're falling from now. In short, this one-hour film will affirm why you're angry and give you a tool to help others join your ranks.

SEE: www.unconstitutionalthemovie.org

Bush�s Brain�How Carl Rove Made Bush Presidential

BUSH'S BRAIN is not about being a Republican or a Democrat. It�s about living in a nation where the power may be in the hands of people with questionable intentions. It�s an absorbing documentary, a portrait of media in need of answers and a country in need of more questions.

SEE: www.bushsbrain.com

The Fog of War�MacNamara

Cover-up
Peter Lance

The War on Freedom

The New Pearl Harbor
David Ray Griffin

Iraq - One Year Later

Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq War:

The documentary film which clearly and powerfully shows how the Bush administration mislead the American public into this failed war on Iraq.

International 9/11 Inquiry

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Dawn Gable

What I�ve Learned About U.S. Foreign Policy�The War Against the Third World
Frank Dorrel

Orwell Rolls in His Grave
directed by Robert Kane Pappas

Corporation

Control Room

Outfoxed

Bush's Brain

Yes Men

Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry
A beautiful and inspiring portrait of Kerry and Vietnam
Check out the trailer online at: www.goingupriver.com/trailer_main.html

Books:

Where to start:

Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil
Michael Ruppert


The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11
David Ray Griffin
(Olive Branch Press, 2004)

Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies
Jim Marrs
(Origin Press, 2004)

The 911 Commission Report�Omissions and Distortions
David Ray Griffin

Others:


Against All Enemies�Inside America�s War on Terror
Richard A. Clarke

The Problem with the Media
Robert McChesney

The Great Unravelling
Paul Krugman

Body of Secrets�Anatomy of the Ultra-Conservative National Security Agency
James Banford

Bush in Babylon

Exception to the Rulers
Amy Goodman

9/11, Open Your Eyes
David Icke

Anatomy of an Inside Job
Jim Morris

War and Globalization�The Truth Behind Sept. 11

9/11 Great Crimes�A Greater Cover-up
Jim Hoffman & Don Paul

America as Empire
Jim Garrison, president, State of the World Forum


All change change starts with ourselves!
 
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Odd how the Straussians preach the spread of Democracy when they don't really believe in the process of Democracy.

They believe that only the most intelligent "elite" should be in control of society. That elite of course would be the wealthiest individuals, since in their thinking, the smartest are the wealthiest.

In reality, both Neo Con and corporate interests are one in the same.

The Neo Con's desire for society to be committed to a singular "noble" cause is in fact nothing more than a tool of manipulation that ultimately serves corporate/business goal of government and society as a whole.

Neo Con and business interests are really seamlessly woven together pulling in the same direction.


Life goes on within you and without you.
 
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Sorry, that sentace should have read...

....ultimately serves corporate/business goal of "controlling" government and society as a whole.


Life goes on within you and without you.
 
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thom, a couple of months ago i asked my brother in law to enlighten me about the new world order he's been trying to tell people about for the last 18 years (as long as I've known him). I never really understood what he was explaining until a week ago he sent me this link. ->
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
He said "read the whole thing, use the additional links." and
"Print the first page then click on the "New World Order" link in the first paragraph and print that page and if you have time click on the NWO "Timeline" link at the bottom of that page"

What is the New World Order:
http://www.threeworldwars.com/nwo.htm
(I printed everything and read it all (a horror) over 2 days)
what surprised me was i found it believable
I called L. and told him I could believe it and he was stunned, as he's been talking about this forever, warning family... and we always discounted everything.
All I'd witnessed, learned over the last four years, suddenly meshes with what L sent me to read.
And the years since reagan- the rise of this neocon entity, now solidly IN POWER, without conscience at all about not having won ethically, persons with an ever-increasing lack of democratic attitudes. I noticed they hold only contempt for most of humanity in general, including the majority of Americans!...as if the old and poor, unfortunates, uneducated, are sub-human and of no worth.
Iraq makes no sense. The inhumanity..... It's insanity.

I still hear Norquist in that post election broadcast with Bill Moyers on NOW ... He was referring to his tax plans, "no taxes, ....The entitlements they drain from the system" (as if all moneys that exist anywhere in American government are THEIR MONEYS)...... we will defund entitlements, defund the remaining opponents"
He speaks as if life exists ONLY for the purpose of stock investments, and that EVERYONE can SAVE funds for their living from cradle to grave. No logic.
that someone with no work or making 6.00 an hour can possibly save anything in a medical savings account, particularly when the drug and medical system is set up to bankrupt the best wage earners in a heartbeat... charges of 40,000. a procedure, or 600.00 an office visit. Or a million if a hospital stay warrants the works. Uninsured? SAVE!!! Medical savings accounts!!

Then I realize... they'll just let those without the means DIE. It's what they want... depopulate the earth.

There was just NO HUMANITY in their plans or ideas or beliefs anywhere....Even the US Constitution was being trashed before my eyes as they proclaimed their NEW DAY, the beginning of the last stage of their long effort- had arrived. And how GOD was in the Constitution when we settled this land (which "SOMEONES" of OUR RACE stole from the native Americans) and we will put him back in the government..
the neocons I saw on Cspan following election day, Nov 3 or maybe it was the 4th, BLEW MY MIND.
BLEW ME OVER! I was raving to my best friend on the phone. She lives out of state and after she arrived home afterwork I held the phone to the VCR so she could hear with her own ears what Gingrich was relating.

Did anyone see this incredible gathering on Cspan a day or two after Nov 2? I tell you, they did not even care to hide their plans for THEIR reign of power they said would last 40-50 years. Democracy WAS NOT IN THE PICTURE AT ALL. Interspersed in the Dogma was this UNREAL injection of a hateful twisted Christianity to boot. They weren't even hiding it. A fear tactic I figured out quickly- a tool. No way could all these mere mortal fallible creatures of ill begotten wealth be true believers in jesus christ. No way. Tools, methods to their madness.
There was no pretense even of separation of church and state. I felt once again like this was the twilight zone, not earth, not america, not democracy. nightmare upon waking.
it was obvious to me they believed they actually won the election (I figured the one-two-or very few in the white house actually knew otherwise, and would never risk a single unnecessary soul outside of those who pulled it off knowing......)
And even if al knew, they would still feel no guilt, for they REALLY beleive they can do no wrong and the route to the goal matters not, all that matters is getting there. That old "winning is everything,... the only thing".... is huge with neocons. Geez, in Bush's Brain, KR quotes that to a political opponent he took out.

The new power in Washington was every bit as bold, arrogant and heartless as Germany's first Nazi's.
I thought how Clinton noted in one of his interviews when his book was released-- he was talking about his winning the presidency the first time- He said they were livid, angry, that he interrupted them by winning the office .. they acted as if "he wasn't human, didn't exist, and how dare he come and interrupt their plans."

This is how I saw them on Cspan that day. Something is missing, some basic human compassion.

that's what's really frightening, that's where I sense evil, not in the eyes of their proclaimed "enemies".. but in the eyes of these focused demons among us.
(not to deny those responsible for 9-11 were evil- for they were, evil like I never saw. But Iraq was not responsible for 9-11 and the slaughter over there is ....well, need I detail?

Norquist, Newt Gingrich, even the mocking sarcastic neocon woman who spoke that day- They were absolutely inhuman, Nazi's I was calling them. Did they have mothers and fathers? Where were any values for fellow man?
And such hypocrites. Norquist has this tax free something because it is no profit, yet it's rolling in dough & he's able to bestow 450,000.00 a pop on some candidate's effort, Muslim if I recall too... He's been working with Muslims in the mideast for decades... In prep for what is to follow?

They BELIEVE MONEY'S they garner by "political trading of favors" - are really earned moneys and really theirs. Screwy twisted values. And I'm not a jealous peon...newt said something about doing away with this class war of haves and have nots...
i just have an old fashioned work ethic. One really labors for income. I'm sorry, but I don't see much labor in the neocon jawboning I witness these days.

They spoke of the Reagan years, Stage One of a four or five stage plan, Newt related..,
He detailed their long hard effort, the rise of conservatism, rise of christianity, many things converging... He spoke of the Christian TV preachers as if they were some sort of legal and credible segment of this government who would be welcomed and worshipped and allowed to force their zealot beliefs on America as a whole now.
They care not what the original intent of the constitution is- He was rewriting it to be "the letter of the law"- Antoinne Scalia actually said this as well. On Nov 24 I printed an article on nj.com (star ledger I think it was) wherein he stated that "a religion neutral government does not fit with an america that reflects a belief in God in everything from it's money to it's military" GEEZ again! Supreme court justice BELIGERANTLY trashing separation of church and state! I must be going nuts. And he says this at a synogogue of all places!
Big trouble when they feel they can break the laws in our face.

The New World Order said there will be a war between christianity and Islam... 300 yrs of sep of church and state and now .... see why i find myself considering the possibility?

The neocons I saw on Cspan in a be-draped hotel dining room were celebrating their good fortune with lies about all facets of their wins. Talking about their "moral values" ... for the life of me I didn't hear anything regarding values from their mouths that made any sense. Newt spoke of a school in texas (I think or Az) "where bad kids were downstairs all running around unruly... and good calm behaved kids upstairs got "points" they could "spend" on a field trip to disney world, and the bad kids upstairs got punished with not going on this trip. He specifically said "It's VERY IMPORTANT" that the bad kids who did not get the points must NOT go on this trip. They must see only good behavior is rewarded."
WHOA, I yelled at the TV screen... is he for real??? NAZI!!! How could he even let the world see this insanity I wondered!
THEN, he mentioned this "program" (or whatever he called it) was being incorporated in schools all over the country.
This was no normal thing-- it was like Germans expected in the 1940's- total control of people, a stifling of individuality..... stepford kids, they want stepford people and stepford kids.

They spoke of how abysmally Kerry/Edwards failed,- none of it was true. They repeated the same lies they propagandized in the thousands of campaign ads that aired every twelve minutes for months. It was so incredible. Too impossible to be true... but if they do obtain such power, I knew from history, it was all too possible.
I knew americans watching this celebration of these stepford people on cspan that day had to be flipping out as I was. It was so shocking I made sure I taped it when it aired later that day. I had to document it.. it was unbelievable.
I think having seen them rejoice with their bizaare plans being broadcast live ........had me considering the very real possibility of the equally bizaarre stuff I was reading about albert pike, the new world order and those who followed, believed........ was actually possible.

America itself had been hijacked, this I knew...

I never forget the first thing I learned about George bush that turned my blood cold. And it's the same thing I saw in this elitist group of neocons.........
Bush was asked right after he announced he would run for pres. in 1999, .... if he was sure all those death row inmates he had signed orders to be executed, were guilty.
His cock-sure quip of a reply was "yeah, I'm sure, they were found guilty, and tell ya somthin I don't lose any sleep at night." (Or "I sleep comfortable too"... can't recall the exact words, but one can probably google it)
My next thought was "we are in big trouble" if this one wins."

Well,
we are in trouble. But then, we already know this.

the most horrific part of the new world order info for me were two words...

I looked for the outcome -aftermath of of WWIII- ..."there would be survivors" it said.
and they would be.....