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We were talking about staging in this Topic:UN to open investigation into the Jordanian hotel blasts. <br /><br />And I just opened my email from activist@democrats.com associated with http://democrats.com/ <br /><br />And I saw this:<br /> WAR HUMOR<br /><br /> <br /><br />Upon further investigation it says churchsigngenerator.com on the marque.<br /><br />So come on over to ChurchSignGenerator to:<br />
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Choose the design you want to use:<br />(more new designs coming soon someday!)
And:<br />
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New! Now you can get your customized church sign as a refrigerator magnet! Just generate a sign normally and choose how many you want! Only $7.50 per magnet (plus shipping)!
And some choices:<br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />And some more options.

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Good move, Ron. I was thinking, myself, about starting a new thread, to move away from your t�te - � - t�te and have some chat on the subject.

But I was going to use the word, "Framing" to get it started.

Staged puts us right in the middle of lots of assumptions, but framing, gives us room to consider benign possibilities, too.

Like picture frames and framing houses and framing accomplices and framing a photograph and ... well, it's got more going on.

But you beat me to the punch, so "staged" it is. How far can we actually take "staged" though? I'm thinking we actually *have* to back up to "framing" to have a meaningful exchange.


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That is fine with me.
Let the games begin.
Does the title suit with you?
I would love to see staging or framing from both sides or the four corners or in the 3D space.

I actually think that staged is benign, it depends on the context and the way it is spoken. I can imagine that someone can make the phrase "It was a staged rehearsal." to mean more than one meaning.
 
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I don't like the new title, actually, ... I kinda wanted to argue about the title and so on.


"The hand that erases writes the true thing." ~Meister Eckhart
 
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Go back to "Staged" and maybe someone will argue with you, Ron.

lol.


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Sorry, was just having too much fun.
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okay. That's better.

Now, there's a whole lot of staging going on in every one of these threads, don't you think?


"The hand that erases writes the true thing." ~Meister Eckhart
 
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Bush staged his NO address, flew in lighting, backdrop, generators, etc, also staged his photo op, in the hangar in NO, and with the Nat. Guard, and...well to save it..what hasn't he staged? The Chavez riots for recall were staged, Greg Palast, in "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" compares the steet scenes broadcast on US tv, with what was actually happening in the streets, cropped crap on cable vs the turnout crowds for Chavez. Still looking for a record of the openair stream from the feed to bush's ear piece on one of his stage appearances, I think CNN picked it up before the jamming signals were initiated, but it was word for word, except for the mispronunciations, that was improv. for the reality effect.


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Please Douglas, you can do better than that.
I am looking for some good stuff!
Like the above examples.
Or this one.


And here:
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As a publicly owned corporation, Dow is unable, due to share-price concerns, to accept any responsibility for the Bhopal catastrophe caused by our fully owned subsidiary, Union Carbide. As an individual, however, you can help as your conscience dictates: visit Bhopal.net or Bhopal.org.
 
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there is a whole gallery of ads, but then ads have always been staged (think of the marbles in the soup bowl to make the veggies and meat float on top in view, aka stovepiping)I tried to put the image here with the image button but no luck, however they are worth looking at, staged? You decide, BTW, your post kind of stretches a few images, IMO


Blaise Pascal
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Douglas, that is getting closer but still does not show staging. I would say this is a created piece of art more than an event that shows some funny aspects.

Since I was very young when this happened, but I remember one of the presidents went to a beach that was damaged by an oil spill (maybe Santa Barbara) and posed on the portion that was cleaned just for his visit.

Sorry about my picture being so big. If you want I can remove it. No?
 
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I think stretched images discourage participation, and I'm looking for the Dukakis tank picture, and I know you remember Kerry's duck hunting pose.


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Hope that is better Douglas.
And thanks for the good suggestions.

But here looks like a really good faked pictures site.


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Walski combined two photographs taken moments apart to create a more dramatic composition, a practice in violation of the paper's policy.

Walski: "When I saw it, I probably just said, no one is going to know. I don�t know. I�ve tweaked pictures before�taken out a phone pole. It�s not a common practice, but you can do it. I can�t speak for anyone else, but I imagine they�ve done it here and there. This was going overboard�taking pictures and putting them together. I think it�s just that I wanted a better image.
For this:
 
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http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/evening-standard-crowd.htm this one is interesting, and the thread looks better too.


Blaise Pascal
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Very good! Thanks. Big Grin
 
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They could have cropped out the solar panels?
From here.



They could have at least made them barefoot not with her nice dress shoes. Nice shed with the house in the background.
But this does show neglect by the parents to leave the garbage lying around. They at least can shove it under the house or bury it.
 
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These are not staged, but no one sees them, and they should http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover/


Blaise Pascal
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Don't be afraid to show them here!


But I would say they are staged also. These coffins did not mysteriously appear there in neat and orderly files. Or did they?

I think we can all enjoy some JibJab about now:

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ROCK, PAPER, SADDAM
What we really need to see is a Rock, Paper, Scissors cage match between Kim Jong Il and Saddam. Tiger hand beats paper. 'Many Honorable Rocks' beats Tiger hand. And 'Voltron Scissors of the Most Sacred Country' beats just about everything.
Date Added: 11/9/20
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Personally, I only killed, raped and tortured one. The rest was done buy my first son. I would like to add one more. First grade is as much schooling your allowed under my leadership. Yes, there is only one God. I have only one head to cut off. One time I did something nice regretably. Wait,I do know satan personally.
 
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Can I say that I love the twins?!!!?
 
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As a doctor asked me what speed of film I was using, out of the corner of my eye I saw the uterus shake, but no one's hands were near it. It was shaking from within. Suddenly, an entire arm thrust out of the opening, then pulled back until just a little hand was showing. The doctor reached over and lifted the hand, which reacted and squeezed the doctor's finger. As if testing for strength, the doctor shook the tiny fist. Samuel held firm. I took the picture! Wow! It happened so fast that the nurse standing next to me asked, "What happened?"

"The child reached out," I said.

"Oh. They do that all the time," she responded.1

What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was that:

[J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted it gently and tucked it back in.2

(The dubious veracity of the photographer's version of events is highlighted by his appended disclaimer stating that it represents his "opinion of the events as they took place during the surgery for Samuel.")

Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims made about this picture:

"It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from wonder whether it's a fake.

"One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.

More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.

Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.

Not true, Bruner says.

Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.

"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."3

Last updated: 7 May 2003

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Davis, Robert. "Spinal Surgery in Womb Tests Faith, Technology."
USA Today. 13 December 1999 (p. D7).

Davis, Robert and Michelle Healy. "Baby in Gripping Photo Born Healthy on Dec. 2."
USA Today. 13 December 1999 (p. D7).

3. Davis, Robert. "Hand of a Fetus Touched the World."
USA Today. 2 May 2000 (p. D8).

1. Higa, Keith K. "The 'Hand of Hope'."
Breaking the Chain. http://www.lava.net/~higak/chain/other/babysamuel.htm

2. Lore, Diane. "Samuel A. Armas: Reached Out from Womb."
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The Irish Independent. "Holding Hands."
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Blaise Pascal
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Thanks Douglas.
Even though many have used this to justify their position, it still touched me on a very emotional level. That even if the mother and child had no conscienceness you have to feel for the unborn child.
 
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Very much so, I've not put much into the other thread on this issue, but viability was always my line of for/against..and the line has moved substantially as we evolve.


Blaise Pascal
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Pensees

 
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Douglas, yes viability has been used to draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable forms of abortion. But this then is determined more by technology than some innate characteristics of the process of life. If technology becomes advanced and a fertilized egg becomes able to grow and develop outside of a woman, would this change the line?

If technology creates viability, then the line is different in different countries and different socio-economic statuses. This would be similar to saying that live has different values in different societies.

But let's get back to some more staging:

and:


and:
 
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Jordanians march against terror attacks

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) � Thousands of flag-waving Jordanians thronged downtown Amman on Friday in the �March of the Nation,� a noisy, emphatic demonstration against the deadly terror attacks that struck the kingdom last week.

http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?Articl...914&CategoryId=12395

Im sure sunrise would consider this rally staged also.


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I think what these Neocons don't realize is that this administration is framing it's radical and offensive message with the official seal. OUR SEAL. These propagandists in office are more subtle. They hide their propaganda in "fake news reports." They hide it in the State of the Union. It's everywhere. And our not so liberal media goes along with it.

To us, when we turn on the nightly "news," we see the propaganda and our only recourse is to counter it. Since we can't get the attention of this "left-wing media," we have to use the right wing's methods against themselves. Typically, we take something that they endorse and turn it inside out to show the ugly side.

That picture of the Church. Perfect example. Here we have a standard right wing propaganda machine. Churches. And typically, it has something like "Support our Troops and our President"...You've seen them, they walk a thin an veiled line of support for this administration and it's radical policies. They are everywhere. Every city has one. Now isn't it fair that we take that propaganda and turn it on the people that produce it?

Seems fair to me.

One can go through every piece of right wing propaganda and turn it around the same way as the "church sign" was "turned."

And if the right wing is going to use propaganda to take us into wars of choice, we DESERVE the right to oppose that propaganda. If we can use their own tools against them, all the better. If we can find similarities between the propaganda that this administration produces and propaganda produced by tyrants... perfect.

It's fair and perhaps these neocons shouldn't have supported a president that used propaganda to kill so many innocent people.

As far as that picture of Dufus looking like a....like a dufus, don't blame us, the right wing can be thanked for that. He had probably gotten drunk that morning and had a hang-over. When the press, who is around him all the time got wind of it and called him on it, he tried to "run away." Like everything, including Iraq, there was no clear "EXIT STRATEGY."
 
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From your rancor, I'm not sure whether it is best to respond to your remarks. Who are you talking to about neocons? I have only found realists here.
But thanks for your input.
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To us, when we turn on the nightly "news," we see the propaganda and our only recourse is to counter it. Since we can't get the attention of this "left-wing media," we have to use the right wing's methods against themselves. Typically, we take something that they endorse and turn it inside out to show the ugly side.
If we can assume for your argument that the "vast right wing" propaganda machine is creating "fake news reports", then by the above statement, you believe it is justified in lying to the American public in staged propoganda for the left. No? So lying is ok, to justify the lying of others that oppose your view.

Hey standard left wing propaganda machine:

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Turning to the immediate subject at hand, Jackson offered a prayer and noted that contrary to popular myth, "Most poor people are white" he reminded us, "...and they work hard every day." He asked participants to repeat these words over and again: "Negotiate when you can, strike if you must." The voices rose together to reverberate between the walls of the old church.


But maybe you can actually input some nice staging for us Art? As far as sunrise he is busy showcasing this:


And:
 
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