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Good move, Ron. I was thinking, myself, about starting a new thread, to move away from your t�te - � - t�te and have some chat on the subject.
But I was going to use the word, "Framing" to get it started.
Staged puts us right in the middle of lots of assumptions, but framing, gives us room to consider benign possibilities, too.
Like picture frames and framing houses and framing accomplices and framing a photograph and ... well, it's got more going on.
But you beat me to the punch, so "staged" it is. How far can we actually take "staged" though? I'm thinking we actually *have* to back up to "framing" to have a meaningful exchange.
"The hand that erases writes the true thing." ~Meister Eckhart
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That is fine with me. Let the games begin. Does the title suit with you? I would love to see staging or framing from both sides or the four corners or in the 3D space.
I actually think that staged is benign, it depends on the context and the way it is spoken. I can imagine that someone can make the phrase "It was a staged rehearsal." to mean more than one meaning.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Bush staged his NO address, flew in lighting, backdrop, generators, etc, also staged his photo op, in the hangar in NO, and with the Nat. Guard, and...well to save it..what hasn't he staged? The Chavez riots for recall were staged, Greg Palast, in "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" compares the steet scenes broadcast on US tv, with what was actually happening in the streets, cropped crap on cable vs the turnout crowds for Chavez. Still looking for a record of the openair stream from the feed to bush's ear piece on one of his stage appearances, I think CNN picked it up before the jamming signals were initiated, but it was word for word, except for the mispronunciations, that was improv. for the reality effect.
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
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Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
there is a whole gallery of ads, but then ads have always been staged (think of the marbles in the soup bowl to make the veggies and meat float on top in view, aka stovepiping)I tried to put the image here with the image button but no luck, however they are worth looking at, staged? You decide, BTW, your post kind of stretches a few images, IMO
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
Douglas, that is getting closer but still does not show staging. I would say this is a created piece of art more than an event that shows some funny aspects.
Since I was very young when this happened, but I remember one of the presidents went to a beach that was damaged by an oil spill (maybe Santa Barbara) and posed on the portion that was cleaned just for his visit.
Sorry about my picture being so big. If you want I can remove it. No?
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Walski combined two photographs taken moments apart to create a more dramatic composition, a practice in violation of the paper's policy.
Walski: "When I saw it, I probably just said, no one is going to know. I don�t know. I�ve tweaked pictures before�taken out a phone pole. It�s not a common practice, but you can do it. I can�t speak for anyone else, but I imagine they�ve done it here and there. This was going overboard�taking pictures and putting them together. I think it�s just that I wanted a better image.
For this:
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
They could have cropped out the solar panels? From here.
They could have at least made them barefoot not with her nice dress shoes. Nice shed with the house in the background. But this does show neglect by the parents to leave the garbage lying around. They at least can shove it under the house or bury it.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
ROCK, PAPER, SADDAM What we really need to see is a Rock, Paper, Scissors cage match between Kim Jong Il and Saddam. Tiger hand beats paper. 'Many Honorable Rocks' beats Tiger hand. And 'Voltron Scissors of the Most Sacred Country' beats just about everything. Date Added: 11/9/20
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Personally, I only killed, raped and tortured one. The rest was done buy my first son. I would like to add one more. First grade is as much schooling your allowed under my leadership. Yes, there is only one God. I have only one head to cut off. One time I did something nice regretably. Wait,I do know satan personally.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
As a doctor asked me what speed of film I was using, out of the corner of my eye I saw the uterus shake, but no one's hands were near it. It was shaking from within. Suddenly, an entire arm thrust out of the opening, then pulled back until just a little hand was showing. The doctor reached over and lifted the hand, which reacted and squeezed the doctor's finger. As if testing for strength, the doctor shook the tiny fist. Samuel held firm. I took the picture! Wow! It happened so fast that the nurse standing next to me asked, "What happened?"
"The child reached out," I said.
"Oh. They do that all the time," she responded.1
What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was that:
[J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted it gently and tucked it back in.2
(The dubious veracity of the photographer's version of events is highlighted by his appended disclaimer stating that it represents his "opinion of the events as they took place during the surgery for Samuel.")
Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims made about this picture:
"It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from wonder whether it's a fake.
"One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
Not true, Bruner says.
Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."3
Thanks Douglas. Even though many have used this to justify their position, it still touched me on a very emotional level. That even if the mother and child had no conscienceness you have to feel for the unborn child.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Very much so, I've not put much into the other thread on this issue, but viability was always my line of for/against..and the line has moved substantially as we evolve.
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
Douglas, yes viability has been used to draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable forms of abortion. But this then is determined more by technology than some innate characteristics of the process of life. If technology becomes advanced and a fertilized egg becomes able to grow and develop outside of a woman, would this change the line?
If technology creates viability, then the line is different in different countries and different socio-economic statuses. This would be similar to saying that live has different values in different societies.
AMMAN, Jordan (AP) � Thousands of flag-waving Jordanians thronged downtown Amman on Friday in the �March of the Nation,� a noisy, emphatic demonstration against the deadly terror attacks that struck the kingdom last week.
I think what these Neocons don't realize is that this administration is framing it's radical and offensive message with the official seal. OUR SEAL. These propagandists in office are more subtle. They hide their propaganda in "fake news reports." They hide it in the State of the Union. It's everywhere. And our not so liberal media goes along with it.
To us, when we turn on the nightly "news," we see the propaganda and our only recourse is to counter it. Since we can't get the attention of this "left-wing media," we have to use the right wing's methods against themselves. Typically, we take something that they endorse and turn it inside out to show the ugly side.
That picture of the Church. Perfect example. Here we have a standard right wing propaganda machine. Churches. And typically, it has something like "Support our Troops and our President"...You've seen them, they walk a thin an veiled line of support for this administration and it's radical policies. They are everywhere. Every city has one. Now isn't it fair that we take that propaganda and turn it on the people that produce it?
Seems fair to me.
One can go through every piece of right wing propaganda and turn it around the same way as the "church sign" was "turned."
And if the right wing is going to use propaganda to take us into wars of choice, we DESERVE the right to oppose that propaganda. If we can use their own tools against them, all the better. If we can find similarities between the propaganda that this administration produces and propaganda produced by tyrants... perfect.
It's fair and perhaps these neocons shouldn't have supported a president that used propaganda to kill so many innocent people.
As far as that picture of Dufus looking like a....like a dufus, don't blame us, the right wing can be thanked for that. He had probably gotten drunk that morning and had a hang-over. When the press, who is around him all the time got wind of it and called him on it, he tried to "run away." Like everything, including Iraq, there was no clear "EXIT STRATEGY."
From your rancor, I'm not sure whether it is best to respond to your remarks. Who are you talking to about neocons? I have only found realists here. But thanks for your input.
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To us, when we turn on the nightly "news," we see the propaganda and our only recourse is to counter it. Since we can't get the attention of this "left-wing media," we have to use the right wing's methods against themselves. Typically, we take something that they endorse and turn it inside out to show the ugly side.
If we can assume for your argument that the "vast right wing" propaganda machine is creating "fake news reports", then by the above statement, you believe it is justified in lying to the American public in staged propoganda for the left. No? So lying is ok, to justify the lying of others that oppose your view.
Hey standard left wing propaganda machine:
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Turning to the immediate subject at hand, Jackson offered a prayer and noted that contrary to popular myth, "Most poor people are white" he reminded us, "...and they work hard every day." He asked participants to repeat these words over and again: "Negotiate when you can, strike if you must." The voices rose together to reverberate between the walls of the old church.
But maybe you can actually input some nice staging for us Art? As far as sunrise he is busy showcasing this:
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Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Did you guys notice the incredulous pronouncements? "Us?" "Our President?" "We are above lying."
Of course they are incredulous. Since the fool in office has been thumbing his nose at the rest of the world, these Neocons forgot how to read.
They didn't notice that the Rendon group and how well funded they were. They didn't bother noticing how this war was being SOLD to them. When does a war have to be sold? If a war is really needed, you don't have to hire a PR firm to do your dirty work.
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"The Rendon Group came to us and said, 'We have a contract to kind of do anti-Saddam propaganda on behalf of the Iraqi opposition.' What we didn't know -- what the Rendon Group didn't tell us -- was in fact it was the CIA that had hired them to do this work."
"In the form of Mushroom Clouds?" Was that being "honest?"
Before we can win the great battle of ideas, we must debunk the right's political discourse, a veritable code of encrypted language that twists common usage to deceive the public for the Republicans' purposes. The key to their linguistic strategy is to use words that sound moderate to us but mean something completely different to them. Their tactics range from the childish use of antonyms ("clean" = "dirty") to the pseudo-academic use of prefixes ("neo" is a favorite) to the pernicious and very expensive rebranding of traditional labels ("liberal" as an insult).
We decided we needed to break the code by building a Republican dictionary. Skewer their deceptions with the fine-tipped sword of satire. Lies melt away in the face of mockery.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
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Can't even stand up for your own staging!!!
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
I guess I don't really get the point of this thread. It seems as though the neocons are particuarily ignorant of the sort of propaganda that was and is being done in the name of taking us and keeping us in an illegal war of choice.
They obviously don't read the critical press. IF they had, they would see how damaging this administration has been with it's own propaganda. And just because it's got the official seal of the presidency, doesn't mean it is right to falsify the evidence.
Imagine if our court system used the same techniques as these lying scum in the white house? If you applied the same rules that this white house uses, you'd torture witnesses until they gave you the information you wanted and then you would convict base on those "facts." And then to make their case "air-tight," they would pay off a PR agency to get people to lie to officials and to the mass media.
How about that poor 19 year old white girl that was captured and then "rescued? Remember Jessica Lynch?
The Pentagon released a stunning video to the media of the mission to recover her. As it turns out it was a staged mission designed to be fed to the media. The pentagon said she had been stabbed, shot, tortured. None of it turned out to be true. In fact, she had wounds that are typical of a road accident.
It's war propaganda and Jessica was dropped as the their precious "war hero" as soon as she started talking and telling what really happened.
Alluminum tubes claims? "Can ONLY be used for processing uranium" is what this administration claim when if fact, the alluminum tubes, as it turned out, cannot be used unless you first take the alluminum off? Rumsfeld and Chenny and all the rest still used these LIES even though they knew them to be false. The only thing that didn't stop them is that fact that 99% of the people didn't know this little nugget.
Lie after Lie after lie. Day in day out. They are relentless and they will not stop. The media, instead of waiting on their every word, should be laughing at them and demanding the truth be told.
Probably the one about changing their underwear that day. You know the one when you tell your mom that yes I have clean underwear to avoid having to take clothes out of the dryer.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
I was enjoying the thread till that idiot reich winger risingtide butted in. Hey rise why don't you post your propaganda on the Rush Limpballs web site where you could be a star.
Defending the country against it's government is a requirment for every patriotic citizen.
Posts: 252 | Location: joplin,mo | Registered: 20 April 2005
I am sure you saw above the "War has never solved anything".
As far as this one:
I am outraged that we would let a tyrant kill millions of his own people and these protesters did not speak out. I am outraged that Madeline Albright can say we should not have gone to "War", but kept up our containment of Saddam. I guess it is not a war as long as you have no casualties on your side. I guess Clintonites have amnesia of the 8 year war on the people of Iraq with no "exit" strategy.
Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005
Rutherford: [is that] getting closer but still does not show staging[?]. I would say this is a created piece of art more than an event that shows some funny aspects.
whatever that means.
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i particurlarly like this post off Slacker
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Slacker: Jordanians march against terror attacks
AMMAN, Jordan (AP) � Thousands of flag-waving Jordanians thronged downtown Amman on Friday in the �March of the Nation,� a noisy, emphatic demonstration against the deadly terror attacks that struck the kingdom last week.
But this should be funny for whatever side you favor...
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�I had the opportunity to do something that I�ve always wanted to do, but I passed it up in fear of �liberal spit�,� she said. �I had this incredible urge to roll down the window as we passed the anti-war, pro-homo protesters and yell �Get a job!� But the spit factor was too high. They were foaming at the mouth when they were just trying to talk to us. We discovered that when large groups of liberals are confronted with the Truth Truck, the windshield becomes a spit shield.�
�The Bush protesters rented a totally ineffective billboard truck. It was laughable. One side had a picture of Bush and [CO Congresswoman] Marilyn [Musgrave] and it said, �Marilyn�s Mentor�. The other side said, �Stop gay marriage so Osama won�t get away�. Most people downtown didn�t get what they were trying to say, and not even their own people responded to the message. Our Truth Truck, on the other hand, got all kinds of response,� said Scott. web page
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