he would grow a cr*p load of hemp and arrest all the oil and gmo patenting folks. He would have thought that laws to outlaw plants from bitter almond to cannabis Were a direct assault on folks natural and self evident state of being that he would see as nothing short of an attempt to separate pps from who they are in order to make slaves...something he certainly was familiar with he thought that the day we started going to market for our basics instead of home manufacturing, it would be the beginning of the end of what his dream of america was to be. VICTORY GARDENS to END SLAVERY and in there FIND OUR natural born REAL FREEDOM and HEALTH in INDEPENDENCE from the CORPSE! DEPEND DIRECTLY ON EDEN AND YOU WILL FIND ALL THE ANSWERS TO EVERY QUESTION THAT TROUBLES YOU.
oh please all you higher edu folks come and argue that jefferson would not consider you a traitor to yourself your kind and your country for ever allowing a gov to start outlawing your right to grow plants!....BRING IT ON FOOLS!
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er eh...if i'm understanding you correctly i think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me on a forum board and frankly i dont quite know how to act or respond accept by saying ... r u free 4 dinner?
just kidding..sorta
thanks 4 the vote! checks in the mail!
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I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. - Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826)
... wondering if this bit can be translated into that shorthand of yours.
"The hand that erases writes the true thing." ~Meister Eckhart
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u know kate, i cant win 4 lose'n n dis place... i aint post'n soms out der 4 nut'n u know... pps no likey my direct words{broken english = broken dna} so i giv the same from the soms of rok fame... whatz a god 2 do kateidid' but i digress as i know that s sumwhat off topic...
bak 2 ur question...
" quote:I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. - Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826)
... wondering if this bit can be translated into that shorthand of yours."
ok...well 1st we must understand that the strongest economy bgins wit u at home make'n everytin u can dat u need 2 liv witout OUTSCOURCE'N... intrastructure cumz next...trade...but minus da profit$ part of a greedy heart...barter seems harder...but barter s smarter 4 a good equality starter... money s funny n that itz legitimiz'n counterfiet'n human energy like a money tree...and kate, money treez arent real we all know datz da deal... when human energy = realgoods and self suficiancy, n there u find the only 1s that r free from da dangers of debt by keep'n da economy close 2 da brest...also i do thin thomas j knows that n there as well s where true freedom grows... happy victory garden'n kate
can i quote a som 4 this solom ocasion... itz n my persuasion...u know how mery and faithfull i am.. Could have come through anytime, Cold lonely, puritan What are you fighting for ? It�s not my security.
It�s just an old war, Not even a cold war, Don�t say it in russian, Don�t say it in german. Say it in broken english, Say it in broken english.
Lose your father, your husband, Your mother, your children. What are you dying for ? It�s not my reality.
It�s just an old war, Not even a cold war, Don�t say it in russian, Don�t say it in german. Say it in broken english, Say it in broken english.
Us cd mfsl ultradisc udcd 640 R. 08 08 1995 What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ?
What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ?
Could have come through anytime, Cold lonely, puritan. What are you fighting for ? It�s not my security.
It�s just an old war, Not even a cold war, Don�t say it in russian, Don�t say it in german. Say it in broken english, Say it in broken english.
Say it in broken english, Say it in broken english.
What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting for ? What are you fighting ...
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I was more than a little bit curious. There's a certain poetry in the translation, ...
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well 1st we must understand that the strongest economy bgins wit u at home make'n everytin u can dat u need 2 liv witout OUTSCOURCE'N... intrastructure cumz next...trade...but minus da profit$ part of a greedy heart...barter seems harder...but barter s smarter 4 a good equality starter... money s funny n that itz legitimiz'n counterfiet'n human energy like a money tree...and kate, money treez arent real we all know datz da deal... when human energy = realgoods and self suficiancy, n there u find the only 1s that r free from da dangers of debt by keep'n da economy close 2 da brest...
"The hand that erases writes the true thing." ~Meister Eckhart
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WAR IS A HELLISH FORCE OF NATURE IGNORE�ANTZ...IN MY PANTZ
The rules of engagement: 1. these rules will only apply if the ignore�antz operatives {known 2 have committed human rights violations and crimes against humanity post, present and in all times past} do abide by these civilized standards. 2. each of the �forums� in the theater will be allowed 1 DMZ thread which must be marked as such in the subject heading, this will provide a safe heaven 4 conversation refugees and tending to the miles of wounded. 3. the battle field is no place 4 innocent women and children, unless you are an ignore�ant insurgent please stay safely in the DMZoned threads. 4. these rules of engagement will apply unless and until Thomass The HartlessMan does prepare the treaty of peace and present it to me, god, the defender of trolls and all other life forms under the oppressive rule of the ignore�antz armies of separation segregation assimilation and doom. 5. 123456789 10 iluvu!!! but I am the walrus and here is the root cause of engagement and the perfect representation of the kind of ignore�antz that have plagued and oppressed human and other life for all the miles of history you can cover:
Author Topic: Ignoring bad manners on a BBS Thom Hartmann
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�So what we're left with is the same solution that works best with children who are engaging in attention-getting behavior on a schoolyard. Ignore them. Literally - do not mention them, their behavior, or their names. Act as if they totally don't exist. This is the only solution that consistently works. When ignored, such people eventually go away (usually after a short-term burst of escalated bad behavior, going for the most emotionally hard-hitting stuff they can find to beat up well-behaved members with). �
So many of my friends and relatives young� and oldMan� that lived in the BIG HARD� were ignored in every way by the ignore�antz 4 soooooo many impoverished and painfully naked years, then they were ignored again and the problem children and Supertramps 4 miles� who were not killed by the perfect #s cleansing storm were shot down by the perfect #s cleansing dirty deads blacktwater powderfingered shoot to kill death squads of the ignore�antz. Like the principles of Nature and the laws of such, like Newmans� apple, you can Call me Katrina�...and like this year�o ourselves 2005, you can consider me the most Franti�C hurricane season on record 4 miles� of work�nKlaus�heroboneheadedmen� like the hartless� thom�s Andger� and all the Ignore�antz that have been in all our pants for thousands of years... Before the flood I think it not odd to point out what you did miles in your parting nodd, Miles of posts telling me WHAT TO DO and declaring a WAR, I offer away to make WAR no more, then you say for miles �DON�T TELL ME WHAT TO DO� while you Close the door on the all for the few...how sad for me and you and all the rest to... You fire the first shot hartlessman, and it rang 4 miles who then came at my styles... Look out, mama, there�s a white boat comin� up the river With a big red beacon, and a flag, and a man on the rail I think you�d better call john, �cause it don�t look like they�re here to deliver the mail And it�s less than a mile away I hope they didn�t come to stay It�s got numbers on the side and a gun And it�s makin� big waves. Daddy�s gone, my brother�s out hunting in the mountains Big john�s been drinking since the river took emmy-lou So the powers that be left me here to do the thinkin� And I just turned twenty-two I was wonderin� what to do And the closer they got, The more those feelings grew. Daddy�s rifle in my hand felt reassurin� He told me, red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin� But when the first shot hit the docks I saw it comin� Raised my rifle to my eye Never stopped to wonder why. Then I saw black, And my face splashed in the sky. Shelter me from the powder and the finger Cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger Think of me as one you�d never figured Would fade away so young With so much left undone Remember me to my love, I know I�ll miss her. Heres a little song to make you feel good Put a little light in your day These are crazy times And its all been getting pretty serious Heres a little song to make you feel right Send the blues away Well its a crazy game Tell me whos to blame, Im kind of curious. Right if you win, wrong if you lose Nobody listens when youre singing the blues Well somethings the matter, but nothing gets done Oh everyones waiting for a place in the sun Well something is wrong now Can something be wrong with me Oh brother, whys it got to be so crazy... Gimme little left, gimme little right Gimme little black, gimme little white Gimme little peace, gimme little hope Gimme little light cause you know it seems that the situations getting serious. Right if you win, wrong if you lose Nobody listens when youre singing the blues Well somethings the matter, but nothing gets done Theres no use in waiting for a place in the sun cause something is wrong now Can something be wrong with me Oh brother, whys it got to be so crazy... Oh something is wrong with me Oh brother, whys it got to be this crazy... What has happened down here is the winds have changed Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline The river rose all day The river rose all night Some people got lost in the flood Some people got away alright The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne Louisiana, Louisiana They're tyrin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away Louisiana, Louisiana They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away President Coolidge came down in a railroad train With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has done To this poor crackers land." Louisiana, Louisiana They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away Louisiana, Louisiana They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away Six foot six above sea level I grab the mic because I take you to another mental level low power frequency radio modulation the big sound from the underground another pirate radio station we bring the truth to places truth is never heard before we bring the sound communication of our tribal war dark vision fly by helicopters in the night attempt triangulation of our station in the fight straight from the bass the deep down low precision high crime treason we broadcastin' sedission like the wall street mornin' afternoon edition commandeering airwaves from unknown positions (chorus) Live and direct we comin' never pre-recorded with information that will never be reported disregard the mainstream media distorted whoop! whoop! we comin' listener supported Don't take no prisoners if can't afford to feed none don't start no fights if you can't predict the outcome don't make donations where you cannot get your dough back **** the apathetic bullshittas send em' all your prozac I will not climb into your telephone tree and "hell no you can't put me on hold!" it's the same recorded message you'd been singin' all along keep handin' us the bible while you walkin' off with all the gold the bureaucratic office sends you merry-go-rounding while the KKK police the streets by blood hounding interest on the credit card just keeps on compounding but the FCC can neva shut this pirate sound down Six foot six above sea level I grab the mic because I take you to another mental level low power frequency radio modulation the big sound from the underground another pirate radio station we bring the truth to places truth is never heard before we bring the sound communication of our tribal war Aurora borealis The icy sky at night Paddles cut the water In a long and hurried flight From the white man to the fields of green And the homeland we�ve never seen. They killed us in our tepee And they cut our women down They might have left some babies Cryin� on the ground But the firesticks and the wagons come And the night falls on the setting sun. They massacred the buffalo Kitty corner from the bank The taxis run across my feet And my eyes have turned to blanks In my little box at the top of the stairs With my indian rug and a pipe to share. I wish a was a trapper I would give thousand pelts To sleep with pocahontas And find out how she felt In the mornin� on the fields of green In the homeland we�ve never seen. And maybe marlon brando Will be there by the fire We�ll sit and talk of hollywood And the good things there for hire And the astrodome and the first tepee Marlon brando, pocahontas and me Marlon brando, pocahontas and me Pocahontas. There�s colors on the street Red, white and blue People shufflin� their feet People sleepin� in their shoes But there�s a warnin� sign on the road ahead There�s a lot of people sayin� we�d be better off dead Don�t feel like satan, but I am to them So I try to forget it, any way I can. Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world. I see a woman in the night With a baby in her hand Under an old street light Near a garbage can Now she puts the kid away, and she�s gone to get a hit She hates her life, and what she�s done to it There�s one more kid that will never go to school Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool. Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world. We got a thousand points of light For the homeless man We got a kinder, gentler, Machine gun hand We got department stores and toilet paper Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer Got a man of the people, says keep hope alive Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive. Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world Keep on rockin� in the free world, Keep on rockin� in the free world. (chorus) Starvation is the creation of the devil, a rebel I'm bringin' food to the people like a widow bringin' flowers to a grave in the middle of the city isolation is a riddle to be surrounded by a million other people but to feel alone like a tree in a desert dried up like the skin of a lizard but full of colour like the spots of a leopard drum and bass pull me in like a shepherd scratch my itch like a needle on a record full of life like a man gone to Mecca sky high like an eagle up soaring I speak low but I'm like a lion roaring baritone like a Robeson recordin' I'm givin' thanks for bein' human every morning (chorus) Because the streets are alive with the sound of Boom Bap can I hear it once again Boom Bap tell your neighbour tell afriend every box gotta right to be bomin' because the streets are alive with the sound of Boom Bap can I hear it once again Boom Bap tell your neighbour tell a friend Every flower got a right to be boomin' Be resistant the negativity we keep it at a distance call for backup and I'll give you some assistance like a lifesaver deep in the ocean stay afloat here upon the funky motion rock and roll upon the waves of the season hold your breath and your underwater breathin' To be rhymin' without a real reason is to claim but not to practice a religon if television is the drug of the nation satellite is immaculate reception beaming in they can look and they can listen so you see don't believe in the system to legalize you or give you your freedom you want rights ask em', they'll read em' but every flower got a right to be bloomin' stay human (chorus) All the freaky people make the beauty of the world You see Y2K ya know is a moment in time we find that we can open up a heart that's locked or been broken by the pain of words not spoken or shot by guns a still smokin' Cartwrights out on the Ponderosa or drive by bang in Testarossa we need to heed the words of Dalai Lama or at least the words of yo mama take a mental trip to the Bahamas steam your body in a stereo sauna, sauna, comma Seems like everyday gets a little bit longer seems like yesterday I was a little but stronger but there ain't nothin' nothin' I can't do but to hold my ground try not to come unwound don't wanna be let down but it ain't easy doin' hard time for somebody else's crime (chorus) Hate is what got me here but I know that love sweet love is gonna set me free all the hatred in the world is what got me here today but I know that love is gonna set me free Man I been away for so long now I ain't seen no daylight for God knows how long now I come out fightin' when I hear that bell ring I always hear my name but I'd love to feel the rain come down one mo time wash away my pain love like a hurricane Know who you are Theres a world wants to know you Know where to go... Theres a world wants to touch you Feel all you can... Let your heart speak and guide you Dont be afraid... Of the love deep inside you. Bring it out for everyone When you smile we can see the sun Bring it out for all to hear Because youve so much to give And theres so much to know But if you wait for your moment Well, it may never show. Know who you are... Theres a new song inside you. Weep if you can... Let the tears fall behind you. Bring it out for everyone. When you smile we can see the sun, Sing it out for all to hear Because youve so much to say And youve so much to do And everyones waiting, Yes, its all up to you. Know who you are... Theres a world deep inside you, Trust me if you can... Theres a friend to guide you. I was born botanical the soul of an animal deep beneath the layers, I sink my roots no need for mechanical I come strictly organical when I need to feast, I look to the East that's why I'm never scared of the beast even though they try to prey upon me I'm protected by the one always greater than me so now I reveal to thee because you wanna see the contour of my mystery the strength of my arches the colour of my conscience and the way that I process my diction some fact some diction some mystery some future fantasy I'm the trunk that holds the branches the leaves who do the dances my flowers romantic my love gigantic from Africa, transplanted transatlantic in the heat of the sun I bring shade for everyone like the beat on the one I'm the skin on the drum (chorus) I keep on living with the fullness of the one like the heat of the sun or the skin on the drum I'm fully marinated and now I'm ready for the fire so you can fire one fire one fire two See I've been fully marinated and now I'm ready for the fire see I'm beginning to perspire from deep within to the skin yo, the feminine and the masculine the pieces of the puzzle see my reflections in the puddle after the storm the purple of the sky brings to mind another time when we resided below the water line life was fine there human divine but in the years following evil men came swallowing everything in sight some learned to run, some stayed to fight I kneeled at the tomb of the soldier said I would love to behold her the magic in store there she touched me on the shoulder she said, "in time all is revealed, box of light be unsealed now listen to me son, be like the skin on the drum" (chorus) And as the pepper gas clears and police and protestors go home just as the morning dew are tear drops of the night my emotions are always there for you and will never leave you dry bless We need help, we need love We need a revolution We need food, we need homes We need a revolution We need a say in how the whole thing goes We need a revolution We need truth, we need peace We need a revolution We�ve got to stand up off our bloody knees We need a revolution YEAH!... We�ve come a million years With our sticks in our hands Some are fighting bloody wars Some are bangin� with the band We�re rock n roll soldiers here to tell the truth It�s love we need, let us give some to you And I�m just going crazy when I see you there Cause I just want to tell you I care We�ve used up most of what there used to be Not much left for baby and me So you know we�ve stopped eating what you call meat We�re gonna stop cutting down all our precious trees We�re gonna live as clean and green as we can Or we might be the end of man! It�s all for a cause, we do it because It�s all for the children, we do it because It�s all for the people, we do it because It�s all for the world so we can keep rockin on Keep on rockin it will be alright Effect everyone and everything in your sight There�s a cause man haven�t you heard You�ve got to do your best to help save the world!...{last som of my own pen,1990} Repeat over and over and over 4 miles...the war has begun...fire 1 from the somz of the attacked , fire 2 is come�n so watch out yo bak... They harder you hit us, the louder we become... Just like the skin on a drum...
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He would probably have just gone along with the flow. Too concerned about his well-being to make waves that might affect his own safety or financial stability. Like most corpratist that live today, he would probably vote against his core beliefs in order to make peace with his fellow fat-cats in charge. After all, you don't become president by making everyone mad at you, do you?
Today, we are blessed with the sacred trust bequeathed to us by our Founders, and we must honor our obligations, continuing our tireless advocacy for individual liberty, the restoration of constitutional limits on government and the judiciary and the promotion of free enterprise, national defense and traditional American values.
These principles are the source of our prosperity, and, in Jefferson’s words, “a gift of God.”
* * * * * * * * Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.
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“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.” –Thomas Jefferson
* * * * * * * * Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.
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God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever
Yeah he wasn't talking about your god(tm)
lets see a few other things he wrote regarding religion and the clergy.
"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man" (letter to Jeremiah Moore, August 14, 1800)
In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes" (letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814)
Yeah he definitely wasn't a fan of your church in fact he went so far as to write his own version of the Christian bible stripping out all the miraculous mumbo jumbo,
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. . . . But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away [with] all this artificial scaffolding" (April 11, 1823, as quoted by E.S. Gaustad, "Religion," in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: A Reference Biography, 1986, p. 287).
Not exactly the kind of fellow who would be down with the idea of Papal infallability.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion<br />The Treaty of Tripoli 1797
No god called me into existence, I came to be as a result of natural processes that that led to the eventual evolution of the human species and then by the combination of an egg from my mother and a sperm from my dad in a natural non-mystical non-miraculous process.
When I say your god(tm) I refered to the mental construct that you use those 3 letters to describe. This being that exists no where other than the imagination of the easily manipulated minds of weak willed fearful individuals such as yourself.
Jefferson's god was a natural force who set events in motion and did not meddle with or even concern itself with such mundane things as the deeds of man.
See I understand what it is you are trying to suggest and you may even believe it, that the founders of this nation embraced revealed religion in a way similar to your own.
I tell you that that simply was not true in the case of Jefferson who specifically rejected revealed religion and had especially critical things to say about that particular flavor that you practice.
You will find no purchase for this idea that the U.S was founded upon Christian principles because it wasn't, while there were indeed Christian men involved in it's formation even they saw the inherent dangers in mixing spiritual belief with secular necessity.
That such binding could not help but cause damage to both parties. And their wisdom has served the religious well. Most of Europe have some form of Christianity Established in their law and the level of religiousity in Europe is far far lower than the United States.
As an Atheist if I really wanted to destroy religious belief as my only goal I would fully support and back your attempts to establish your mythology in law so the entire mass of the nation could grow weary of its innanity.
But I actually kind of like the idea's this country was founded on, I like the idea of a country where a man or woman can believe as they see fit just so long as they don't try to force those beliefs upon the rest of us.
You're beliefs would not concern me in the slightest if you were not part in parcel of a group who wish to destroy this nation and its founding principles.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion<br />The Treaty of Tripoli 1797
human species and then by the combination of an egg from my mother and a sperm from my dad in a natural non-mystical non-miraculous process.
How amazingly wonderful is the spousal meaning of the body that signifies the significance of masculinity and feminity.
No laboratory can create what only our Creator created and continues to do in procreation - in the unitive conjugal love embrace between a man and a women in marriage.
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particular flavor that you practice.
My flavor allows for non-Catholics to practice freely without threats except in the case of unholy practices, than it is our duty and right to speak. Case in point are the atrocities being taught to our students in public ed.
Killing of the holy innocents - 3500 unborns are denied life daily in this nation. Life is not respected. The death culture mentality is increasingly threatening and getting bolder. Terri Schiavo is a prime example.
Now it is a dilemma how to deal with many senior citizens and not enough taxpayers to support them in their need.
The Hemlock Society is fast advancing in our great nation. Some European countries have already accepted that it is a good thing to be euthanized for the betterment of society .
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secular necessity
That's the basis - newly contrived convenient for today and without doubt will change for tomorrow's truths and rights of particular whims and fancies.
There is no secular necessity that is rightfully LEGAL if it is not a good based upon truth, hinged upon natural law, a law that protects the dignity of the human beings.
Laws that violates dignity of personhood is not a law to be recognized and civilized society has a grave responsibility to remove such laws.
Secular necessity is about self centeredness, fear for the future, hatred of personhood, fear of authority, as opposed to protection for the commongood.
Secular necessity is to love one's self more than others. Secular necessity is the fear and failure to love at all.
* * * * * * * * Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.
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Actually this miracle you speak of is repeated dailly in petre dishes all around the country in fact all those little zygots you and your ilk fret over being destroyed in stem celll research are created in petri dish's in order to allow those parents that your natural process could not bless to be able to propegate their genetic identity.
These are not potential human beings they are left over biomass no more deserving of a shot at life than all of the billions of sperm that never find an egg or the billions that spontaneously abort or miscarry or the bits of skin that sluff off in our every waking moment. In fact if your view of reality is true then your god is the most prolific abortion performer in all existence.
You talk all this hoopla about the sanctity of life yet you and your ilk do everything in your power to ensure that those who are born live from their first breath to their last in utter misery.
You bring up Terri Schiavo as an example yet here is a woman who was medically dead she only continued to give some illusion of life through the use of technology created by man, She was kept in that sick parody of life not through actions of any god but through the actions of man and her state was maintained and supported by people who claim that god is the authority in all things yet did everything in their power to thwart the natural course of actions, Saying not that god should decide but rather than YOU SHOULD DECIDE.
So died and made you God? If your god so much wanted Schiavo to live then perhaps he might have gotten up off his metaphorical ass and healed her. But he did no such thing. So maybe just perhaps one might think that you and the people like you might have concluded that you god wanted Schiavo dead and all you were doing was delaying her passing to the next stage of her existence.
No you'd never think about that, Not you in your arrogance in your hubris in your desire to play god.
You pretend you are speaking for some greater power but the truth is that you speak only for yourself and your own little sick demented scared mind.
Terror rules your life GG; not love, not god, But fear the terrible gripping fear that leads people to forgo their gift of reason and instead fall back on dogma and demogogery.
There is no deliemma about how to support the senior population what is lacking is the political will.
The reality is that there are plenty of resources to go around we do not have a shortage of resources. We have more than sufficient food to feed the planet we have sufficient technology to allow them to live healthy lives.
What is lacking is the political will to put in place systems that would result in fair and reasonable distribution of said resources.
The reason is because of a blind obedience to a economic system who's primary focus is not human well being but profit.
If you really wanted to prevent abortions then you would work to address the structural and institutional influences that make it a desirable choice. You would support more equitable distribution of resources so that economics lost its influence as a deciding factor on whether to have another baby or abort in order to maintain a certain standard of life for those who are already alive. You would support programs that would insure that a woman could actually have the choice to have a child and a carreer or have access to sufficient resources that she could actually afford to give a decent life to that baby.
You would support comprehensive sex ed so that women would understand how exactly this miracle that leaves you in so much awe actually happens so they will know that when they're boyfriend tells them they can't have a baby if they pull out before ejaculation that he is lying. Or that having anal sex will not protect her from venerial desease.
But you don't want to do that, you want to establish the Catholic equivelent of Sharia Law so that women are stuck back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant the constant victim of domestic abuse and denegrated to an existence of slavery as property of men.
And you have the nerve and audacity to claim that you seek what you seek for the good of women?
You're system of morality was judged by the founders of this Nation as being wanting and an abject failure. They judged rightly that your religion is a decease infecting the plannet and they took efforts to limit your ability to infest this country with your pestilence.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion<br />The Treaty of Tripoli 1797
“If we move in mass, be it ever so circuitously, we shall attain our object; but if we break into squads, everyone pursuing the path he thinks most direct, we become an easy conquest to those who can now barely hold us in check.” —Thomas Jefferson
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Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
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er eh...if i'm understanding you correctly i think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me on a forum board and frankly i dont quite know how to act or respond accept by saying ...
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