polycarp - It appears that you also have become victim to campus kookery and continuing controversy over the political climate at universities, the thin line dividing education from CHEAP indoctrination. For example academic radicalist, Colorado professor Ward Churchill claimed that the "little Eichmanns" got what they deserved on 9/1l, and that the Twin Towers were toppled by Islamic hijackers seeking to avenge the perceived evils of America. He still teaches his hatred for the U.S. along with and
Even our young students in our outrageous publicly funded government schools are taught to hate and blame America. C'mon, polycarp, can't you see what's going on??
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Google 'terrorism began', than come back and say you're sorry for making such a claim.
Saddam had Iraqi men, women and children put to death in human meat grinders on a daily basis...NO OUTCRY FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR THE ARAB COMMUNITY...
*Saddam had people thrown off of 3 - 4 story buildings, while their relatives were forced to watch...
* Saddam had people's tongues cut out, limbs chopped off, and even beheaded, while their families were forced to watch...
* Saddam's sons, as well as other Administrators and military personnel raped and sodomized Iraqi girls, some as young as 8 years old, on a daily basis...
* Saddam's regime indiscriminately put to death millions of Iraqi citizens on a daily basis, during the term of his brutal 35 year dictatorship, as evidenced by the mass graves recently uncovered in various parts of Iraq...NO OUTCRY FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR THE ARAB COMMUNITY...
* no freedom of elections for over 25 years.
* little boys emasculated and parents forced to watch
No terrorism and things were good before 'shock and awe' you say, polycarp?
and this is what will happend with pelosi jane and "do not support the troops reid",
*Thousands of terrorists would pour into Iraq from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the new Iraqi government would fall overnight and REALLY become a base for world-wide terrorism.
· After they've taken control, these blood-crazy terrorists will slaughter hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who tried to help U.S. forces build a peaceful democracy in their country.
· They will behead the leaders -- our current friends -- on live television or via the world wide web; and the Congressmen who sponsored this contemptible resolution will blame the slaughter on the President -- instead of themselves.
· And after the triumphant terrorists have cleansed the Middle East of all democratic opposition, they will declare unending jihad against America -- the Great Satan -- and will use missiles, poison gas, and biological warfare in an attempt to destroy this country. You want to know what happened to those weapons of mass destruction we never found? Well you'll get them if these Congressmen have their way.
We can't let a handful of cringing, cowardly, hand-wringing Congressmen pave the way for our defeat . . . .
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
terrorism/Islamofascism is the result of repression, of suffering, of injustice directed against a person, a group or a particular people, who lose all that they possess and no longer have anything to regret or to lose.
We have been experiencing attacks since the distressing incident at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, when young Palestinians massacred Israeli athletes. ..What impelled these young men to commit this act was to attract the attention of the world to their cause.
The terrorism through which we live today is the result of an accumulation of events (of which I can list). Terrorist acts flow from distress and from a despair of ever recovering one’s rights. And such is the despair, in some cases, that an individual may be driven to suicide as a means of protest and of drawing attention to his plight.
Religion, on the contrary, offers hope, faith in God, in man and in divine justice, which makes up for the earthly justice that is sometimes deficient.
If you do not pass on that hope, that faith, that charity that the Catholic Church teaches, polycarp, but make it appear that Catholics are fundamentalists along with Islamo extremists than you are hoplessly lost (but of course I do not understand you charism).
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Saddam's regime indiscriminately put to death millions of Iraqi citizens on a daily basis, during the term of his brutal 35 year dictatorship, as evidenced by the mass graves recently uncovered in various parts of Iraq...NO OUTCRY FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR THE ARAB COMMUNITY...
Millions on a daily basis for 35 years?
Mmm.
quote:
And after the triumphant terrorists have cleansed the Middle East of all democratic opposition, they will declare unending jihad against America -- the Great Satan -- and will use missiles, poison gas, and biological warfare in an attempt to destroy this country. You want to know what happened to those weapons of mass destruction we never found? Well you'll get them if these Congressmen have their way.
B o o o o o o o g g g g e e e y y y y m m m m a a a a a n n n n n n n n !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How's life in the panic room Geeg?
I don't think they will need the 'hidden' WMD. Don't you know these Islamofascist have lasers in their eyes and are eight feet tall.
After they've taken control, these blood-crazy terrorists will slaughter hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who tried to help U.S. forces build a peaceful democracy in their country.
· They will behead the leaders -- our current friends -- on live television or via the world wide web; and the Congressmen who sponsored this contemptible resolution will blame the slaughter on the President -- instead of themselves.
· And after the triumphant terrorists have cleansed the Middle East of all democratic opposition, they will declare unending jihad against America -- the Great Satan -- and will use missiles, poison gas, and biological warfare in an attempt to destroy this country. You want to know what happened to those weapons of mass destruction we never found? Well you'll get them if these Congressmen have their way.
We can't let a handful of cringing, cowardly, hand-wringing Congressmen pave the way for our defeat . . . .
And two posts later .....
quote:
If you do not pass on that hope, that faith, that charity that the Catholic Church teaches, polycarp, but make it appear that Catholics are fundamentalists along with Islamo extremists than you are hoplessly lost (but of course I do not understand you charism).
The irony sometimes makes me twitch.
When the world is run by fools it is the duty of intelligence to disobey
Posts: 1723 | Location: Perth, Australia | Registered: 02 August 2001
Google 'terrorism began', than come back and say you're sorry for making such a claim.
Saddam had Iraqi men, women and children put to death in human meat grinders on a daily basis...NO OUTCRY FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR THE ARAB COMMUNITY...
*Saddam had people thrown off of 3 - 4 story buildings, while their relatives were forced to watch...
* Saddam had people's tongues cut out, limbs chopped off, and even beheaded, while their families were forced to watch...
* Saddam's sons, as well as other Administrators and military personnel raped and sodomized Iraqi girls, some as young as 8 years old, on a daily basis...
* Saddam's regime indiscriminately put to death millions of Iraqi citizens on a daily basis, during the term of his brutal 35 year dictatorship, as evidenced by the mass graves recently uncovered in various parts of Iraq...NO OUTCRY FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR THE ARAB COMMUNITY...
* no freedom of elections for over 25 years.
* little boys emasculated and parents forced to watch
No terrorism and things were good before 'shock and awe' you say, polycarp?
and this is what will happend with pelosi jane and "do not support the troops reid",
*Thousands of terrorists would pour into Iraq from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the new Iraqi government would fall overnight and REALLY become a base for world-wide terrorism.
· After they've taken control, these blood-crazy terrorists will slaughter hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who tried to help U.S. forces build a peaceful democracy in their country.
· They will behead the leaders -- our current friends -- on live television or via the world wide web; and the Congressmen who sponsored this contemptible resolution will blame the slaughter on the President -- instead of themselves.
· And after the triumphant terrorists have cleansed the Middle East of all democratic opposition, they will declare unending jihad against America -- the Great Satan -- and will use missiles, poison gas, and biological warfare in an attempt to destroy this country. You want to know what happened to those weapons of mass destruction we never found? Well you'll get them if these Congressmen have their way.
We can't let a handful of cringing, cowardly, hand-wringing Congressmen pave the way for our defeat . . . .
Sure SAddam terrorized his own people. They are being terrorized still, and he isn't there. Who supported Saddam and gave hims arms when convenient? We did.
Who helped overthrow a democractic government in Iran? We did. Now we have do deal with this result.
Who supported the right-wing government in El Salvador that executed a catholic bishop who dared speak for peace in the nation? We did.
Who supported the overthrow of a democratically elected pres. in Guatamala that brought in a reign of terror for Guatamalans? We did.
It's a long list GG.
Al Quadea did not exist in Iraq until we occupied it.
I'm beginning to think you are not catholic at all. You have the wordings of the faith, which can be copied from a book, but you don't have the thinking of the faith which comes from an understanding in the heart.
If you are catholic, be thankful I am not your confessor. Just from what I have seen in your postings would take years of penance to undo. (the catholic concept of "forgiveness" includes making right the wrongs committed when possible. A thief, for instance is forgiven...and has to return what he stole).
Your postings are reflections of neo-con proven lies and talking points and your support of such views is in direct conflict with catholic teaching.
Retired Monk
Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
GG; If you are catholic, you must realize that your views are placing you in the position of "self ex-communication". They contain grievous errors regardings the teachings of Christ and the church.
I don't often quote St. Paul, but I will:
1 Corinthians: 11, 27-29 "anyone who eats the bread or drinks the cup unworthily will be behaving unworthily towards the Body of the Lord.......is eating and drinking his own condemnation". As St. Paul urged, do self-reflection before you receive it.
I strongly suggest you discuss your views on war, bigotry, the poor, universal health care, etc. with your priest before receiving Communion again. Your views are not in communion (community) with the church or the teachings of Jesus.
For non-catholic Christians, and non-believers. The Fundamentalist Right has an increasing, on-going effort to discredit the mainstream churches (not just catholic). One sure-fire way to do this is to wrap oneself in the clothing of a mainstream church and spew nonsense. Mainstream memberships tend to vote Democratic, and support liberal views on most social issues. They were targets of the Fundies in pre-Hitler's Germany, they are current targets in the U.S.A. Fundies goose-step right next to the Neo-cons. Germany did institute a state-based religion, very similar to Fundie beliefs and courses of action in the U.S.A. today.
Germany sent 500,000 catholics to the camps and heaven knows how many Lutherans, Jehova's Witnesses, etc. Jews suffered the most, but weren't the only target.
Regarding the current pope: He had the same choice all catholic youth did. Sign up with Hitler Youth, or watch your family disappear. A large burden to place upon a child, is it not?
I think his interpretations are too rigid, and he can't change the foundational teachings of the church. He certainly doesn't have the charisma John Paul did.
Both lived under the Nazis, John Paul under the Communists, too, Both survived in the ways open to them. John Paul by becoming a priest under penalaty of death...but in his situation, he was able to hide. An "underground church" existed side-by-side with the visible church.
Retired Monk
Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
GG; If you are catholic, you must realize that your views are placing you in the position of "self ex-communication". They contain grievous errors regardings the teachings of Christ and the church.
Even before reading the rest of this post - make no mistake, polycarp, if I am in error I do NOT want to remain in error. If I need correction, I'm humble enough to accept correction.
Please support your position and please support it well.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
I strongly suggest you discuss your views on war, bigotry, the poor, universal health care, etc. with your priest before receiving Communion again. Your views are not in communion (community) with the church or the teachings of Jesus.
Please point to the Dogmas/doctrines that I have violated? Please do not revert to being a 'sola scripturist' in attempting to point out my errors. You'll need more than that. It won't wash.
Are you making a broad assumption that I am not invested in the wellbeing of others?
Please proceed with wisdom for my sake as well as any others interested in you correcting my errors.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Originally posted by polycarp: GG, you have no clue what you are doing. You are too wrapped up in. Talk with your priest. It's not something that can be handled in a blog.
Retired Monk
I guess I misunderstood your intentions to correct my errors. Just who are you polycarp?
What is your charism and why did you choose polycarp for a sign in name?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
The last two paragraphs of that post is your interpretation of history - and I'm not a fundie. What's your point?
not a fundie?
but seriously GG, if you cant see how your view contradict your religion and christianity, then noone here can help you. you harbor so much hate and fear yet you dont even realise. christ as a person taught the value of peace and non aggression. he could have sent legions of angels to protect him from the romans, yet went about in a peaceful fashion.
why do you throw aside his teachings and advocate and justify war and death? jesus approved of neither. even if you are not doing the actual killing, you are still guilty as you justify it.
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
GG: Just one will do: You violate the teachings on "just war". Continuing to mouth the same old lies that have been proven to be lies. You justify death of perhaps hundreds of thousands...based on lies.
In this, Pope John Paul was proven correct. You are still in denial, still supporting unjustifiable deaths, and you can't see it.
Some of the Iraqis that are a victim of this occupation (the war is over) are Christian (yes, Iraq has a Christian population, too). You can't even see that portion of it. You are so wrapped up in an ideology and the half-truths behind it, you deny the teachings of the church that you claim you uphold.
Talk with your priest rather than giving another non-sensical reply. This is something that will take hours, maybe days, maybe years to unravel within yourself. I know it can't be done in a blog.
If you want to maintain your views, then do so without invoking the church...you are causing the church great harm by claiming catholic teaching as a motivation for them, as the motivation behind them. Your views on every social issue have been in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church and to the teachings of Christ.
The deaths of 500,000 catholics in the camps is not interpretation..it is a fact. The establishment of a state-church in Germany...fact, not interpretation.
Retired monk
Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
gg, if your book has any kind of religious agenda or government slanted material, dont bother even posting it for me. i wont read it. but if it truely is a scientific book with value, then go ahead and post
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
The Evidential Power of Beauty: Science and Theology Meet by Thomas Dubay, S.M.
I would hope that polycarp would acknowlege the author - Do you, polycarp?
Fisherman - just some quotes from the first chapter of the two disciplines of science and theology converging to truth:
few of us seem to be aware that the beautiful pack a power not only to fascinate but also to convince a mature and honest mind of solidly grounded truth
science trumps the beautiful, and in the process physicists,microbiologists, and biochemists are discovering new and exciting truths
both the splendid elegances of the divine handiwork in our universe and in finding them powerful indications of truth
you can recognize truth by its beauty and simplicity
all of the most eminent physicists of the 20th century agree that beauty in the primary standard for scientific truth
convergence does not imply that either discipline is attempting to prove propositions of the other - yet each distinct does not mean isolated, having no points of contacts - convergence, no interinfluences
because the God of nature and cosmos is the very same as the God of revelation and theology - -
both science and theology agree on the objectivity of beauty
the purpose of creation is man, destined to be enthralled eternally in triune glory
God made us for ecstasy, "a joy so glorious that it cannot be described" 1 Pet 1:8
satisfied by the beautiful is personal enrichment
"beauty" is the battlefied where God and satan contend with each other for the hearts of men
fisherman - sounds good don't you think???
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
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