if you dislike teen sex, take it up with God and neurobiologists.
Teen sex is causing cancer. But then, why should that bother you?
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Feed the hungry, tend the sick, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, provide drink to the thirsty, visit the imprisoned (including those tortured without trial). Simple.
You forgot to mention the "unborn". Are their lives a threat to you? Do they not have a right to live?
Show me the scripture quote, and I'll post it. Sure the unborn have a right to live. And you can't legislate making it illegal to have an abortion in the privacy of one's home own. No way to enforce that, is there?
We can, however, legislate that everyone receives necessary maternity care so the child is more likely to be born alive and healthy enough to remain alive.
Now, if you aren't willing to pool your resources so that 1/3 of the nation isn't ill fed, ill-housed, and ill-clothed, (to paraphrase Roosevelt), then tear the book of Matthew out of your bible. No problem. Then you can continue to support spending the majority of our tax money on building things to blow people up rather than on saving peoples lives and having lives of dignity as becomes any human being.
If you want a society that has huge and growing wealth disparities, then save your money. It ALWAYS leads fo a financial collapse that is sometimes accompanied by violent revolution. I'd prefer to avoid that sort of thing.
I'd suggest you read a bit of economiocs, sociology and past histories of the collapse of great civilizations in addition to your right-wing hogwash. Re-read the Book of Matthew while you're at it.
Then tell the Dems and Republicans to both jump off a cliff. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum both support the same basic policies with very little difference between them. Their constituency is the "Corporate State". Give up the illusion that the majority of the people in this country are relevant to either of them.
Retired Monk "Ideology is a disease"
Posts: 3412 | Location: denver co | Registered: 17 April 2007
Teen sex is causing cancer. But then, why should that bother you?
Proof please. And by 'proof' is meant, in this context, hard scientific data.
Hard science showing that sex before the age of 18 causes cancer, but after 18 suddenly turns to 'safe'.
The empirical evidence is easily accessible and multiple sexual partners is never safe at any age. In fact one British Medical research has proven that only one sexual encounter with someone "shedding" can be just as dangerous as multiple partners.
Think about this - having sex with someone is having sex with every one they have had sex with. If a person has had sex with 12 different people they have had sex with 4095 people. That is a shocking reality.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer are not allowed in most public schools anymore - Because the word 'God' is mentioned... A kid in Arizona wrote the attached school prayer:
Now I sit me down in school, Where praying is against the rule. For this great nation under God, Finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow, Becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise, Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall, Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state.
We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.
We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd.
It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make, Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Teen sex is causing cancer. But then, why should that bother you?
Proof please. And by 'proof' is meant, in this context, hard scientific data.
Hard science showing that sex before the age of 18 causes cancer, but after 18 suddenly turns to 'safe'.
The empirical evidence is easily accessible and multiple sexual partners is never safe at any age. In fact one British Medical research has proven that only one sexual encounter with someone "shedding" can be just as dangerous as multiple partners.
Think about this - having sex with someone is having sex with every one they have had sex with. If a person has had sex with 12 different people they have had sex with 4095 people. That is a shocking reality.
I asked for proof, you didn't provide it (incidentally, 12 times 12 does NOT equal 4095).
Typical ultra-right wing propaganda tactic: pose something as fact, and when asked to back up. lie about it, and change subject.
GG, I asked you the following question:
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Proof please. And by 'proof' is meant, in this context, hard scientific data.
Hard science showing that sex before the age of 18 causes cancer, but after 18 suddenly turns to 'safe'.
Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007
"I was debating an ACLU attorney at Christmas on an NPR station. I pulled out a Xerox copy of The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States and said to her: "Until you answer this book, the ACLU can't make a case against America's Christian founding." She was shocked when she saw it. She asked where I had gotten it. The only thing that gave her relief was the fact that the book was not in print. But now it is.
"Be afraid ACLU. Be very afraid. Morris packs The Christian Life and Character with page after page of original source material making the case that America was founded as a Christian nation. The evidence is unanswerable and irrefutable. This 1000-page book will astound you and send enemies of Christianity into shock. Keep in mind that it was published in 1864 and has been out of print for more than a century. It has been newly typeset using a very readable font and added subheads. A new Foreword written by my long-time friend Dr. Archie Jones describes the background of the book and provides a brief biography of the author."—Gary DeMar
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
typical GG. when asked a question, dodges the subject at hand (because she knows she will lose), and brings up a totally new topic.
ahhh, i see shes bringing up her annual war on xmas rhetoric again. time to go out in the back and chop me down a nice evolution tree. im gonna have it decorated with conflicting bible quotes. the holidays are festive times.
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
[IMG] http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BlackAIDS/SexExpoChart.gif[/IMG] "When you have sex with someone, you are having sex with everyone they have had sex with for the last 10 years, and everyone they and their partners have had sex with for the last 10 years."
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
This year alone, 2 to 4 million of those infected with STDs will be teenagers Every day, 8,000 teens will become infected with a new STD 1 out of every 4 sexually active teens is living with an STD at this moment
Teenagers today are five times more likely to have herpes than they were in the 1970s 50% of all high school students have had sex by the time they graduate and between 12-20% have had 4 or more sexual partners In a national survey, 1 in 5 teens reported that oral sex is safe sex If a girl starts having sex before the age of 16, there’s a 58% chance that she’ll have more than five partners Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) is 5 times more common than all viral STDs combined and there are at least 30 strains of sexually transmitted HPV Studies show that 46% of teenage girls contract HPV at their first sexual intercourse HPV is directly linked to 99.7% of all cervical cancers 61% of young people between 13 and 19 infected with HIV are women 1 in five Americans over the age of 11 has genital herpes 62-91% of people with herpes — including teenagers — don’t realize they have it 15-20% of all boys will be infected with the herpes virus by the time they reach 18 85% of all people who test positive for herpes can shed the virus despite having no signs of clinical infection 4 out of 5 teenagers in a survey of 66 didn’t know that most people who get an STD never develop symptoms
In a recent report sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, they concluded that male latex condoms could reduce the transmission of HIV/AIDS but that there is not enough evidence to determine that they are effective in reducing the risk of most other sexually transmitted diseases
In a study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association, it was concluded that using condoms didn’t help men reduce their risk of getting Herpes at all 40% of the 3 million affected with Chlamydia each year are teenagers If left untreated, Chlamydia will cause Pelvic Inflammatory Disease in 20 to 40% of cases Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID) is the leading cause of hospitalization for females between the ages of 15 and 55 Teenagers make up 10% of the population but acquire 25% of all STDs Nationwide, gonorrhea rates are highest among girls between the ages of 15-19 The cells covering a teenage girl’s cervix are physiologically different from the cells lining a 25 or 30-year-old woman’s cervix, and therefore are far more susceptible to STDs
These are 2002 or 2004 stats. Dr. Meeker has updated this information. Needless to say they are still rising. Some say it is not just an epidemic but pandemic. ________________________________________
However, all you have shown by this is that bad protection may eventually lead to cancer. Not directly, but indirectly.
However, your statement was that "Teen sex is causing cancer.". So what you will have to do now is unequivocally proof the direct connection between teen sex, not unprotected sex, but teen sex, and cancer.
Care to try again? (Third attempt.) You have two options, only two: admit that your initial claim was nonsense, of back it up with hard science.
Good luck.
Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007
I understand your resistance because for ONE thing, the media fails to report what they know to be true for many reasons. Keep this fact in mind: a sexualized society is an easy take-over controlled society.
Every third girl has the human papilloma virus (HPV). HPV causes 99.7% of cervical cancer cases that kills over 5000 women each year. One out of ten has chlamydia. Even if we pulled out the healthy kids, the stadium would remain nearly full.
Consider these statistics:
* Almost half of all students in grades nine through twelve have had sex.
* Half of all girls are likely to be infected with an STD during their first sexual experience.
* Nearly one in four sexually active teens have an STD.
* Teens will contract nearly one in four of the 15 million new cases of STDs this year.
* Teens make up 10% of the population, but they contract up to 25% of all STDs.
* Herpes (specifically herpes simplex type 2 or "genital herpes") has skyrocketed 500% among white teenagers in the last 20 years.
* One in five children above age twelve tests positive for herpes type 2.
* One in ten teenage girls has Chlamydia; half of all new Chlamydia cases each year are diagnosed in girls 15 to 19 years old.
It gets worse. The Journal of the American Medical Association reported in a February 2002 editorial that the number of people with asymptomatic STDs (diseases with no outward symptoms like lesions or warts) probably exceeds those whose diseases are diagnosed. This means that the epidemic may be twice as large as we think.
The STD epidemic is a catastrophe. Millions of teens have been hurt. Millions more are threatened. Diseases are tearing into the bodies of our children in ways that will cause irreparable harm or possibly death.
The crisis exists because society has jettisoned the moral standards that direct sexual behavior. The shift began with the "sexual revolution" in the Sixties when the effects of unbridled promiscuity were largely unknown. (Only two known STDs existed thirty years ago, and both were treatable with penicillin.) As society adopted the values of the Sixties, the moral culture changed. Promiscuity ruled the day, and STDs spread like wildfire.
Big media is a big culprit because it targets teens with the message that sex has no risks. They have sexualized almost every corner of the youth culture. They relentlessly sell promiscuity, but make no mention of the harm that the promiscuity causes. They care for your child's wallet, but not for his welfare. Greed drives their moral recklessness.
There are things that parents can do. Several years ago the Search Institute, a Minneapolis-based think tank that studies the moral lives of children, isolated three factors in the lives of teens who successfully navigated the minefield of teen culture. The teens who developed sound morality and avoided non-marital sex and other enticements of the teen culture had three things working for them: 1) a relationship with a stable adult (parents); 2) friends who shared the same moral values; and 3) a religious grounding. Parents must cultivate this kind of environment.
Be alert to misrepresentations of the risks associated with sexual activity such as the "safe sex" campaign. Safe sex is a myth. Condoms can reduce the incidence of fluid borne STDs, but have no affect on diseases spread by skin-to-skin contact such as herpes. Even the reduction of fluid borne diseases is much less than most people think. Gonorrhea for example, is spread 50% of the time even when a condom is correctly used. Birth control pills can prevent pregnancy, but they are powerless against every kind of STD.
Note too that most organizations that promote safe sex are those that market promiscuity or profit from its consequences. Moral responsibility is not part the MTV, Abercrombie and Fitch, Cosmo Girl or Planned Parenthood corporate culture, for example. Safe sex campaigns give an appearance of moral respectability, but they avoid real moral accountability.
Meeker writes that her two-decade practice with teens has taught her that most teens have a deep-seated desire to protect their virginity. Religious clergy who work with teens report the same thing, and it is the reason many teens experience deep anguish after their first sexual encounter. They sense that something important has been lost. This desire for sexual purity needs to be cultivated and affirmed.
Teens are desperate for moral guidance. Those who know right from wrong must provide the moral clarity that our teens both crave and need.
Our youth have been sold a bill of goods regarding sexuality, and they are paying the penalty, big time. How shamefaced we all should be. How does one apologize to a teen who has contracted an STD and will be sick for the rest of their life, might not be able to marry and be a parent, - - will be contagious, therefore ostracized. Also, who's going to pay for the medical costs?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Teen sexual activity carries with it numerous risks. You've probably heard of sexually transmitted diseases – but do you realize just how dangerous and common some STDs can be? This year alone, 3.8 million STDs will be contracted by teens in America. This is 10,000 teens per day (or one teen every 8 seconds)! Most people who acquire an STD in the United States are under the age of 25.
In addition, about 2,500 teen girls become pregnant each day in America. Beyond the physical aspects of teen sexual activity, there are many emotional effects of sexual activity outside of a committed, loving marriage. A recent study shows a link between sexual activity and depression in teens. As many teens have learned, there is no condom to protect the heart.
So far you are arguing for better protection for our children, and unless you are trying to say that NOT having sex at all is the best protection, which it isn’t because if it were, all our children would be safe, which, if we are to believe you, which I don’t, they are not, your argument is FOR better sex education.
If you DON’T mean to argue this, which is what I assume, given your right wing extremist streak, you have no choice but to actually argue your initial assertion, which was:
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Teen sex is causing cancer.
So, once more:
Care to try again? You have two options, only two: admit that your initial claim was nonsense, or back it up with hard science.
Good luck.
Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007
Care to try again? You have two options, only two: admit that your initial claim was nonsense, or back it up with hard science.
Good luck.
I've given you some very credible evidences. You have not made any attempt to prove that STDs do not put youth at high risk of cancer.
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So far you are arguing for better protection for our children, and unless you are trying to say that NOT having sex at all is the best protection,
Teaching and exposing youth to sexaul activities is totally for controlling, demoralizing, and derailing their future. It is hazadous to their health. Sex IS NOT FOR YOUTH. The porn industry and planned baron hood industry make alot of money sexualizing youth. They know no boundaries and are increasingly aggressive.
The only safe sex is one life long partner in marriage.
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your argument is FOR better sex education.
My argument is to teach youth that "no" to sex outside of marriage protects the essence of their personhood, protects their dignity, their right to life, and to develop virtuous character and their incredible potential. Uncontrolled passions harms youth's development.
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extremist streak
My "streak" is to protect and speak against the exploitation of youth. What's yours?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
You have provided me with a shower of onbliquely related quotations and links, but NONE of those directly connect teen sex to cancer, as you did in your initial assertion.
So, once more:
Care to try again? You have two options, only two: admit that your initial claim was nonsense, or back it up with hard science.
Good luck.
Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007
A recent study shows a link between sexual activity and depression in teens. As many teens have learned, there is no condom to protect the heart.
GG, i disproved that study in an earlier post. i proved that there was no connection between sex and depression, as the amount of depression seperating sexual and non sexual teens were minimal.
loki, ive been down this road with GG before. you cant reason or debate someone who lives in an alternate reality. even her own children have issues with her because of this (as her admittance in a post long ago). people like her (GG is a she, not a he) are "cancers" to society.
along my short time here, i have heard it all from this fundamentalist: *birth control pills are causing fish to mutate *condoms cause cancer *there is a war on christman *is ok to kill brown people because their religion teaches hate and death *christianity, despite being the center of crusades, inquistions, and systematic extermination of other groups, is a peaceful religion. *sex causes depression *birth control pills cause cancer *the catholic church, despite signing a treaty with the nazis in 1933, were saviors to the jewish people during ww2.
there are many more, too many to list. but i disproved her every time and her only responce was to change the topic.
looking back at the list, it also appears that GG thinks almost everything causes cancer.
i wonder if christianity, or religion in general, is a cancerigen?
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
loki, ive been down this road with GG before. you cant reason or debate someone who lives in an alternate reality.
Oh yes, I know. You can't debate the clinically insane. But it's kinda fun watching him spin everything to his advantage, without being troubled by that pesky little thing we like to call 'logic'.
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I wonder if christianity, or religion in general, is a cancerigen?
Oh, it is: Jesus died of cancer, didn't you get the memo?
Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007
The New Catholic Manliness It is a source of no small irony that, even as radical feminists within and without the Church have railed for two generations against patriarchy and phallocentrism, it can be quite plausibly said that the post-conciliar Church in this country has, for all intents and purposes, been run by women.
America is feminized, and teen sex is rampant, I guess I just grew up in the wrong times, must be a great time to be a teenage boy, but my nephews don't seem to be any different
Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pensees
Posts: 2917 | Location: Sverige | Registered: 21 June 2005
I'm giving to you what the experts who study the STDs - viruses, bacteriae and strains, are telling us and are blacked out by mainstream dinosaur media.
I've not walked on the moon, but I know some have. I'm once again attempting to stay on thread topic.
Why you avoiding the STD epidemic with out youth?
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Considering the epidemic of STDs, the only defense is a monogamous marital relationship. No one said it was "safe" after 18.
Samuel Adams wrote, "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote...that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country."
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Samuel Adams wrote, "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote...that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country."
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
I am curious, who do you support in the Presidential race? It would be interesting to note if you support a candidate who believes all of your views.
Alan Keyes is the candidate of my choice. I would really like to see a black man of his caliber as President of the U.S. "Racial"* divisions need to be put to rest as humanely possible. We are all Americans and need to start acting as one no matter the nationality, heritage, color or creed. Organizations who want our sovereignty destroyed need to be exposed, tarred and feathered. We shall not tolerate those organizations that hate what has made America the greatest, the strongest, the most benevolent nation on the face on the earth - in a very short period. We need politicians that are proud of the legacy handed on to us by the early fathers of this nation and not twist and subvert it to underhanded take-over regimes. We know who they are. It is only shoulder to shoulder that they will know we will not stand for their practices nor make special accommodations.
We are the nation that will keep the rest of the world "safe." Of course we don't do every thing perfectly correct (Get that straight in your mind!) and that is why we have a ‘system‘ for checks and balances that do work.
If ever Americans need to show courage it is now. More than ever Americans are overly satiated with distractions and filled with complacency while the enemies in our midst chisel at our freedoms. History shows that many countries were conquered by enemies within. Compromises and capitulations are not options. The only way we will stay an invigorated strong America is to honor what has made this country great - a moral and free people. There will be no peace without understanding that it is Christianity that transformed civilization and it is America’s foundation. Elected officials need to remember and be faithful to the pillars of American freedom. There are already blatant viable forms of overlaying our Constitution. Capitulation for power is dangerous to the well being, not only for U.S. citizens but for the safety of the world human population.
Academe has become infected with indoctrinated professors and SIECUS curriculum. The American Library Association as well has contrived policies that are a direct affront to our Constitution. As educators, ALA policies had no intention of collaborating with parental time-honored wholesome family values. Pornography and obscenity materials are easily accessible and protected by the A.L.A. for ALL ages. A.L.A. has been working since the '70s to relax the pornography and drug laws. The porn, drug and abortion indusries are controlling and destroying masses of people. The so-called educators are maneuvering politically to change our nation. Did you know the National Education Association has adopted The Declaration of Human rights according to European Law? Citizens’ taxes are being used by the NEA to destroy America within our schools and within our libraries. We need to deal with it. We have fast moved from the ‘50s N E A handbook of requirements that included memorization of the Old and New Testament passages, the Ten Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer and many patriotic songs and symbols were in the class rooms. Our ‘common mind’ of freedom was from the pillars of America: Judeo-Christian values, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. These have made us distinct from any other government in the world, past or present. These distinctions protect: Sacredness of Life, Free Speech and Freedom of Religion, no taxation without representation, all people are created equal (read the book “Infidel” if you don’t get what I mean). . . . .
We need to impeach traitorous judges ruling from the bench who are mocking our Constitution by removing citizens’ rights. We need law enforcers to enforce the law and not interpret it. We need a man or woman strong enough who will not compromise human life from conception to grave, and not fall for the guises of ‘global warming’ - the new world’s religion, and the major threatening aggressions of shari‘ah law.
Listen to the words of the presidential candidates. If they use “mandate, mandatory, requiring, (blaming large companies), individuals must, more and total government controlling, they are a "sell out" candidate. Other indications are the ridiculous blaming of incandescent light bulbs for global warming, becoming carbon neutral and binding agreements to reduce emissions goals for America, taking away tax subsidies to oil companies, forcing the pharmaceuticals to compete, telling insurance companies how to handle their business, and establishing a 21st century global marketplace are additional threats of destruction to our nation.
We’ve got our work cut out for us and it’s time that Americans blow up (for the most part) their television sets, get uncomfortable, roll up their sleeves, get informed of the haters of America and root them out, expect media to report news not interpret and withhold it, and all start making a difference according to each person‘s capacity.
Once again, it is not wise to forget that in less than 260 years 300 million people became the most powerful innovative, the greatest, most advanced movement for good in the history of human civilization. The inherent desire for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness made this possible. Do not even entertain a candidate who does not include with sincerity the concept of “freedom” but instead has replaced it with mandate, a direct threat to our nation’s life spirit. All living in America must accept the legitimacy of our American system. Yes, in my opinion Alan Keys is the man who will not sell his soul nor the soul of America to traitors, to the powerfully mandated jihad, and the elitists of one-world-order regimes. The next presidential election is crucial.
* See "Lynching is for Amateurs" - Klu Klux Klan lynchings by KKK amatures can't compete · The Klan, Sanger & Planed Parenthood ...http://www.klannedparenthood.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
The Republican Leadership of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives:
RE: Rosa Parks Was Thrown Off The Bus Too!
I ‘ve read about your treatment of Christine Lutz and her children, who were thrown off one of your buses because Mrs. Lutz was reading the Bible to her children. I have read the explanation by your spokesperson, Joan Hunter, who said: "Anyone who is loud will be asked to be quiet. That is a standard policy across [the] country in the transit industry. It doesn't matter what is said, the 'T' has a policy of no loud or abusive behavior."
Ms. Hunter's "explanation" is almost as egregious as the initial offense of throwing Lutz and her children off the bus. I find it hard to believe that Lutz was screaming scripture at the top of her lungs and even if that were the case, then why was Lutz not asked to be "quiet" per your policy as stated by Hunter? Why was she thrown off the bus? And since when is reading the Bible "abusive?"
Your company's explanation is both clumsy and insulting and you owe an apology to the Lutzes and to every Christian in America. You have insulted millions of Americans who reject the idea that religion can never be mentioned in the public arena -- which is surely one interpretation of your driver’s unconscionable behavior.
However, what is most insulting is the lack of outrage from our political leaders. In 1955, Rosa Parks was thrown off of a bus for being Black and not giving up her seat to a White passenger. Back then, our elected leaders mounted the bully pulpit to condemn this action, and rightfully so!
There has been a great deal of confusion regarding a situation that occurred on a T bus and I would like to take this opportunity, to give you a more complete picture of what actually happened.
On Saturday, Dec. 29, on Route 6, a T bus operator reported that a woman was reading in a very loud voice. It is against The T’s bus policy for passengers to be loud or disruptive while riding the bus. Such bus rules, as no loud or disruptive behavior, are a common practice within the public transportation industry to help ensure a calm and safe atmosphere and respect for all passengers. They are posted clearly at the front of the bus.
After the passenger declined to lower her voice, the operator called the supervisor to assist. The supervisor met the bus and explained to the passenger that it was the loudness of her reading that was against the T’s policy. The lady would not lower her very loud voice and so the Supervisor transported her to her destination and allowed her to read as loud as she wished.
It was not what she was reading, it was the very loud and disruptive volume. She was asked to lower her voice, but refused. Other passengers on the bus were looking to the driver for proper enforcement of the rules.
This driver acted in a very courteous and professional manner to properly deal with the situation. The T, as a public transit authority, has no policy against reading any type of material on the bus. Only when behavior of a passenger reaches an extreme volume, such as in this case, is a supervisor called.
Originally posted by Sue N: I wonder if she was disrupting other Christians who were silently praying or thinking about the Bible as they were on their way to church?
It's for certain she's not an Imam or the ACLU would be suing the transit company. We know the ACLU will not defend a Christian lady's right to read her bible in a public setting and we know the ACLU will not at least investigate that her rights were not violated.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Okay, just for the sake of discussion, let us accept that Roman Catholicism is the "one true church".
I'm jumping discussions, but it was from Everson v. Board of Education, 1947 Supreme Court Decision that provoked a protestant and other Americans to United for the Separation of Church and State. Protestants and other enligtened progressive Americans feared the takeover of America by Catholics. They feared the conservative complex of Catholics who maintained it was against the Ten Commandments to use contraceptives, to divorce, to abort a child in the womb and railed against many anti-scientific ideas.
The fear of the Catholic Church was wrapped in the subtext of "sexual mores" and William Reich's sex-pol works and other sexual revolutionaries. The absence of chastity is the evaporation of God from consciences. Sexual liberation is the driving force against the Catholic Church and protestant groups are simply a front.
'Blessed be the pill' and advancement towards the demise of Christian marriage is the protestant revolt against the explicit nature of personhood. Unashamed rationalized adultery is defiance against time-honored traditional family values.
A society is only as strong as the family unit. The weakening of that most formidable unit is for certain a destruction of a nation.
* * * * * * * * Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.
Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
The Byron Union school district in California has decided that its public schools should set aside days and assignments where all students choose a Muslim name, recite passages from the Koran, and periodically give up certain comforts as “forms of fasting” that correspond to Ramadan. Has the ACLU brought this school district to court as it has hundreds of times when schools simply mention something involving Christianity or when a student reads her own Bible on her own time at recess or when a student chooses a religious theme for an essay topic? The ACLU has been silent. To the ACLU, the non-invasive, mere presence of anything Christian in school is far more “dangerous” than the actual, coerced undertaking of Islamic religious activities and beliefs in America's public schools.
* * * * * * * * Without traditional regular moral principles that may be consulted confidently, justice cannot long endure anywhere.
Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
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