speaking of quotes GG, i have done research into your signature and after many hours searching the web, i have yet to find one time where the pope actually said that. care to supply proof or a link that the pope did indeed say that, or did you just make that up also and just attribute it to him?
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speaking of quotes GG, i have done research into your signature and after many hours searching the web, i have yet to find one time where the pope actually said that. care to supply proof or a link that the pope did indeed say that, or did you just make that up also and just attribute it to him?
It is on the first page of the 32 page Document "Love & Responsibility".
John Paul II on Love & Responsibility , which includes a range of excerpts from the Pope's philosophical, literary, official, and personal writings on love . . . .
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GG: More on the distortion of Thomas Jefferson's quote:
You have some sins to take care of before you offer up more distortions about a lie regarding Jefferson's words.
And I repeat:
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GG:You proof to me your source is correct, Jason. I have faith and trust in my source and I am in great suspect of whom you are quoting.
My sources are the Library of Congress (the official record) and Yale University. You have not provided any sources at all for your lying quotes. Your deceit is disappointing given that you're a devout Christian. But that sin will be between you and God.
Until you address this, I will continue to ask you to. And until you do, none of what you say has any credibility because you've proven you're now capible of lying -- and that is the ultimate insult to us here.
When you come clean, I am prepared to forgive you.
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GG's false Jefferson quote: "The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state, but that wall is a one directional wall; it keeps the government from running the church, but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in government."
Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States January 1, 1802 in an address to the Danbury Baptists.
This is a false quote, GG. And now that you've been informed, it is your moral duty to apologize and retract, lest you commit the sin of deceit.
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
As you can see, not only didn't he describe it as a one way wall (which would render the metaphor ridiculous as there is no such thing as a one way wall and Jefferson was smarter than that) what he does describe is indeed the need to keep government out of church and church out of government.
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GG's false Washingtion quote: "Do not let anyone claim the tribute of American patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics."
George Washington from his Farewell Address to the Nation.
Another false quote, GG. While his address is way too long to repost, here is the link. That quote is no where in his farewell address.
Washington does address the need to be moral and that religion plays a vital role in that. But no where does even hint that public policy and/or law should be based on a particular religious doctrine.
Here is the portion of his speech I think the above misquote was trying to rewrite.
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Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
actually GG, u DID alter the popes quote. here is the actual quote:
----------- To understand why, we need to return to where we began: “Man must reconcile himself to his natural greatness.” The Church insists that we revere that most precious part of ourselves: our ability to bring new life, new love into this world. As the Pope emphatically declares, “any attempt to diminish human beings by...denying the central social importance of maternity and paternity is incompatible with the natural development of man.”
The Church does not demand that families have as many children as possible. The Church advocates, instead, “responsible parenthood” through the practice of Natural Family Planning — which relies on awareness of the wife’s fertility cycle and self-possession on the part of the couple. Couples who practice NFP — which is highly effective using modern methods — report not only a deeper appreciation for the mystery of life but also an enriched married and family life -------------
NOWHERE DOES THE PHRASE "he must not forget that he is a person." appear in there. the quote you have did appear on the first page of the document but nowhere else in it.
so you are now resorting to altering the quotes of a pope . you are disgraceful GG. you have no conscience at all and a disgrace to actual catholics who are not hell bent on promoting their own agenda. you are worthless of an intelligent debate, as you even abuse and alter the quotes of your church leader.
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so you are now resorting to altering the quotes of a pope . you are disgraceful GG. you have no conscience at all and a disgrace to actual catholics who are not hell bent on promoting their own agenda. you are worthless of an intelligent debate, as you even abuse and alter the quotes of your church leader.
The quote is on the first page of the document.
"Man must reconcile himself to his natural greatness...he must not forget that he is a person."
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The Church does not demand that families have as many children as possible.
I have stated 'responsible parenting'. Why would you infer differently?
Conjugal loving, is with the mind of procreation. "Love must be affirmative...if love is to flourish".
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NFP
Are you aware of Natural Family Planning and its benefits; one is that it does not involve a withholding a portion of a person. In other words, to love another is to love the total person including their fertility.
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NOWHERE DOES THE PHRASE "he must not forget that he is a person." appear in there. the quote you have did appear on the first page of the document but nowhere else in it.
This is the excerpts of the book, "Love & Responsibility". I could not have created that statement.
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as you even abuse and alter the quotes of your church leader.
C'mon, fisherman. You're really stretching to fault me.
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GG since you love misquoting and altering quotes, i have reinstated your infamous quote on wanting to destroy. enjoy
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you should be the one begging for forgiveness GG
Not me but the ACLU should be tarred and feathered.
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Congress shall make no law restricting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". this states simply that christians CANNOT restrict other religions.
And it does not restrict others but gives them freedom. Currently we are experiencing a shutting down of that freedom by hereticals.
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there are no losers, only winners. perhaps you should be forced to listen to a nice jewish ceramony
Just mailed a 'Batmisvah' card today to a friend's granddaughter. Don't forget, my Father was a Jewish carpenter. (Do you know what I mean?)
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we are absolved from your religious rules. to us, they have no meaning at all
Who gave you exemption from the Ten Commandments?
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because we are not religious fanatics like you GG. you are truely a world threat and should be dealt with accordingly
REALLY!! Your persuasion is not to be dealt with? The world is to go silent?
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our 'reality' protects alot more than yuor fantasy laws ever will
Special rights to one group violates and is deadly for another group.
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how many ppl have condoms killed?
Naturally flawed condoms give a false sense of protection and they do not prevent the spread of STDs.
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only vote how they are told to vote by party leaders or by the religious leaders. sounds to me like they dont know how to think for themselves. sounds like a dependancy of party votes to me!
We decide with calm, faith and reason.
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until you fix the above quotes by jefferson and washington, as well as the quote you altered in the fish thread, my signature wont change!
You've charge the wrong person with error.
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yes it is, however the way is is labeled means it is also included somewhere in the speech, which it isnt. so you are just spreading falsehoods. ------------------ "This is the excerpts of the book, "Love & Responsibility". I could not have created that statement"
but can you also find where else beside page one that phrase is located? i didnt think so -------------------
" C'mon, fisherman. You're really stretching to fault me"
no im not. PJP even stated that the iraq war doesnt fall under the catholic ideal of 'just war' yet you continue to advocate it. that is an abuse of the teachings of your leader. ------------------ "Not me but the ACLU should be tarred and feathered"
funny how neo cons such as yourself werent crying foul when the ACLU protect Rush Limbaurg and is drug filled exploits. ------------------
"And it does not restrict others but gives them freedom. Currently we are experiencing a shutting down of that freedom by hereticals"
if it gives other religions freedom, then where is the islamic star hanging all over the place, instead of crosses? where is the star of david or hanhakah candles instead of christmas trees in town squares? what about the recent development of 6 muslims arrested at the minniapolis airport because they said their evening prayers? they were not allowed to fly only because they said prayers. yet, somehow, i feel you will justify the action of the police in one way or another. the only ones trying to kill these rights are ppl such as yourself GG. dont you remember the quote you made about a week ago when u stated that any muslim voted into office will fail to uphold the american way of life? sounds a little bit racial and biased to me. -----------------
"Just mailed a 'Batmisvah' card today to a friend's granddaughter. Don't forget, my Father was a Jewish carpenter. (Do you know what I mean?)"
who are you trying to fool, you damn anti semitic? you are no differnt than catholic follower Mel Gibson, only wishing to put down the jews at any moment you can. you even mock their religious culture by send a "batmisvah" card. how would you like it if someone sent you a 'piss-mas' card? or how about instead of a lent card, they send you a 'lint' card, full of nice bellybutton lint instead of ashes? -----------------------
"Who gave you exemption from the Ten Commandments"
are you? you seem to break quite a few of them. thou shall not kill also means not supporting the killing of innocents, which you do on a reg basis. by not condemning the killing of innocents in unjust wars, you are only empowering the ones doign the killing, making it just as if you pulled the trigger yourself. you have also broken the worship false idols, as you pray to mary and statues. you also compare yuorself to "angels in disguise" and "moses, begging to let your people go". you are FAR from either of those 2 examples. if anything, you are closer to an antichrist than an actual human. you have good company with yuor friends lucifer, bush, and cheney. ------------------------
"REALLY!! Your persuasion is not to be dealt with? The world is to go silent"
my persuasion doesnt involve religious fanaticism like your does.
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"Special rights to one group violates and is deadly for another group"
its not special rights if it makes it equal for all. the right winged christians have attempted to keep a religious monopoly in this nation for too long, and im glad a muslim was elected by our election process to a post in the US house of representatives. i know that is burning ppl like you up GG, but its the best thing for democracy. -----------------------
"Naturally flawed condoms give a false sense of protection and they do not prevent the spread of STDs."
they dont give a false sense of security. it even says on the package that it is not for use to stop the spread of stds, as well as saying its not 100% effective in stopping pregnacy. just because you couldnt use your condom right doesnt mean they are flawed. ------------------------------ "We decide with calm, faith and reason"
so your party calmly decieded to invade another nation. reason? your party has no reason at all. they dont know how to handle iraq. the current president has less IQ than a chimp. faith? you mean thou shall not kill? or thou shal not covet thy neighbors pages (like foley did) ? who are you trying to kid? lol antifacist and AJ have listed HUNDREDS of times ppl in the catholic religion have sinned. so if your party votes by faith, it must mean you are all part of a satanic cult. ---------------------------
"You've charge the wrong person with error"
no ive checked the facts. AJ is right. you altered quotes by both washington AND jefferson. you, GG , are not an american!! you are no worse than terrorist scum. you dont want whats best for america, only for your minority group of catholic anti semitic sinners who wish to surpress equal rights and religious freedoms for everyone else.
now dont you wish i was studying more?
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Shots rang out as President John F. Kennedy was assassinated November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas. The youngest President ever elected, he was the youngest to die, barely serving 1,000 days. The 46-year-old Kennedy was on his way to the Dallas Trade Mart. The speech he prepared, but never gave, stated: "We in this country, in this generation, are-by destiny rather than choice-the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of peace on earth, goodwill toward men. That must always be our goal-and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago, 'Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.'" Just three weeks after his Inauguration, February 9, 1961, President Kennedy told a Breakfast for International Christian Leadership: "Every President of the United States has placed special reliance upon his faith in God...The guiding principle and prayer of this Nation has been, is now, and shall ever be 'In God We Trust.'"
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dont you remember the quote you made about a week ago when u stated that any muslim voted into office will fail to uphold the american way of life? sounds a little bit racial and biased to me.
Once again you are misquoting me.
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ACLU: AMERICAN CHRISTIAN LOATHERS UNION Posted By: Professor on 9/11/2006 2:12:05 PM in ACLU "The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has been called the “most dangerous organization in America.” And rightly so.
The ACLU is a secular organization that exploits the law to impose their anti-God agenda. Its lawyers litigate lawsuits that aim to take away our Constitutional right to freedom of religion. The ACLU wants to erase any mention of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob found in public places. They have fought to remove "One nation, under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, they want to erase "In God we trust" from our currency and rid the country of all religious displays such as the Ten Commandments, Christian holiday displays and state mottos. They do this under the guise of the so-called wall of separation of church and state, or what has come to be known as the establishment-clause of the First Amendment. What is the ACLU's position on church-state separation? There shall be no mention of God on public property. Period.
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fisherman quote: dont you remember the quote you made about a week ago when u stated that any muslim voted into office will fail to uphold the american way of life? sounds a little bit racial and biased to me.
Once again you are misquoting me
really? then what do you call this quote you made on the 12th of november? (in this same thread):
"There is no such thing as a Muslim who can support American freedom"
what a short memory you have GG. do you also deny altering a quote that appeared in the fish thread?
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do you deny ever making that quote about muslims? because guess what! we have one in elected office right now. so you automatically stereotyped him as a person who cannot support american freedom or values. such is the thinking ways of a racist and a bigot, which apparently you are GG.
and do you still deny altering a quote in the fish thread? want to look stupid yet again? i can make it happen. just say the words "i did no such thing" and ill prove you wrong once more.
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well since you seem to be for a loss of words, i will prove you altered yet another quote. heres what YOU wrote on nov 8th:
"Scientists have suspected for years that estrogen from humans is at least partially to blame for strange animal oddities - . . .and thought to disrupt animals' endocrine systems"
--- and heres the ACTUAL article quote. notice the words in red. those are the ones you conviently left out. so dont give me that crap that you dont alter quotes. that seems to be the only thing your good at:
"Scientists have suspected for years that estrogen from humans is at least partially to blame for strange animal sexual oddities - such as hermaphrodites, which have both male and female characteristics - but other hormones and common chemicals also are thought to disrupt animals' endocrine systems. As a result, scientists have had a difficult time finding a direct cause-and-effect example in the wild. Kidd's study shows that link"
so how are you going to attempt to deny this one? so now that i proved you wrong once again, would you like me to prove your stupidity once again by showing your quote of jefferson, along with the REAL one thats not altered? i have time.
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GG:You proof to me your source is correct, Jason. I have faith and trust in my source and I am in great suspect of whom you are quoting.
My sources are the Library of Congress (the official record) and Yale University. You have not provided any sources at all for your lying quotes. Your deceit is disappointing given that you're a devout Christian. But that sin will be between you and God.
Until you address this, I will continue to ask you to. And until you do, none of what you say has any credibility because you've proven you're now capible of lying -- and that is the ultimate insult to us here.
When you come clean, I am prepared to forgive you.
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GG's false Jefferson quote: "The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state, but that wall is a one directional wall; it keeps the government from running the church, but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in government."
Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States January 1, 1802 in an address to the Danbury Baptists.
This is a false quote, GG. And now that you've been informed, it is your moral duty to apologize and retract, lest you commit the sin of deceit.
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
As you can see, not only didn't he describe it as a one way wall (which would render the metaphor ridiculous as there is no such thing as a one way wall and Jefferson was smarter than that) what he does describe is indeed the need to keep government out of church and church out of government.
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GG's false Washingtion quote: "Do not let anyone claim the tribute of American patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics."
George Washington from his Farewell Address to the Nation.
Another false quote, GG. While his address is way too long to repost, here is the link. That quote is no where in his farewell address.
Washington does address the need to be moral and that religion plays a vital role in that. But no where does even hint that public policy and/or law should be based on a particular religious doctrine.
Here is the portion of his speech I think the above misquote was trying to rewrite.
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Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
Jason. As a Catholic I believe the the Church has been infiltrated by some who want to tear it down from within. To differentiate what the Catholic Church teaches and from the actions of those within who are demoralizing it is a major challenge.
I think you need to admit that same kind of infiltration is within the US in order to subvert other social institutions like schools, mass media, and government - focused upon controlling the world.
You say I should apologize. I think we have some MAJOR issues that we need to look at. We have an organization within that is so far been successful in hyjacking the founders of this nation's intention of the US documents' protections and intentions. The 'ACLU' scares individuals and organizations into believing they are committing a crime by including references to God. These same individuals and organizations are not as well funded as these trial ACLU attorneys and they cave in, not because they believe them, but because they have not not the financial backing.
The ACLU wants to replace "freedom of religion" to "freedom from religion". The documents do not state 'a particular religion', but the freedom to practice one's religious beliefs.
speaking of quotes GG, i have done research into your signature and after many hours searching the web, i have yet to find one time where the pope actually said that. care to supply proof or a link that the pope did indeed say that, or did you just make that up also and just attribute it to him?
The book, "Love & Responsibility", by Harol Wojtyla, and "Theology of the Body", by JPIIsummarizes that statement. For Instance:
pg.22 Love and Resp. - . . man has the ability to reason, he is a rational being, which cannot be said of any other entity in the visible world, for in none of them doe we find any trace of conceptual thinking.
pg. 239 - sexual intercourse in marriage takes place at the level of a union of loving persons only if they do not deliberately exclude the possibility of procreation and parenthood. When the idea that I may become a father - I may become a mother is totally rejected in the mind and will of husband and wife nothing is left of the marital relationship - except mere sexual enjoyment. One person becomes an object of use for another person, is incompatible with the personalistic norm.
Man is endowed with reason not primarily to'calculate' the max. of pleasure - - but to seek knowledge of objective truth - - he must live in a manner worthy of what he is - to live justly.
Other random thoughts of the nature of persons:
inwardness/inner ethical dimension of personhood
cosmic/anthropological dimension of the dignity of persons
betrothel love, the conjugal life and loving relationships of man and woman
self mastery
sacramental/theological personalistic revelation of the body
vocation of personhood to be a witness and interpretation of the eternal plan of love.
Does this help at all?
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As a Catholic I believe the the Church has been infiltrated by some who want to tear it down from within. To differentiate what the Catholic Church teaches and from the actions of those within who are demoralizing it is a major challenge.
I think you need to admit that same kind of infiltration is within the US in order to subvert other social institutions like schools, mass media, and government - focused upon controlling the world.
You say I should apologize. I think we have some MAJOR issues that we need to look at.
This is simply you're usual way of obfuscating the debate every time you have been shown to be wrong and in this case lying. You run around the issue after trying to put in false quotes and then even had the nerve, the gall to question the documents themselves as false.
Instead of facing the fact that your nutcase conservative sources lied to you, almost every quote you have from these sources is an outright lie and when confronted with that you claim everyone else is wrong. But yet you never look beyond your narrow little world for any answers you only try and convince everyone that the entire outside world is thouroughly dishonest, out to harm you individually and only the people who have you brainwashed are reliable or true.
You are so thouroughly wrong, you pass off fantasy as truth and mostly everyone except Fisherman, Art Junky and now Jason avoid the hassle of trying to correct any thing you writr out of the way you refuse to expand your world. Thank god for these gentlemen who are intent on getting to the truth or you would just post your lies without confrontation to your blind following of religious fanatics and right wingnuts. I personally despise conflict but more than even that, I abhor dishonesty and fiction passed off as absolute truth you are human and have no more edge on "the truth" than any one else here.
We are all students stuck on this earth together to learn from each other, but not one of us has the truth not even your Nazi Youth member Pope Benedict, and the edicts he condemns the world with.
You are in no position to tell anyone here how wrong their beliefs or ideas are especially when every one of your back up sources are lies from lying groups who have people like you under their mind control to advance a dangerous and distorted agenda, skewed enough to make people, who need leaders to tell them what to do, believe it soundsd like absolute truth. These conservative scam artists laugh at your gullibility, your readiness to blindly follow without any question, and not ever to even consider evidence to the contrary of what fits in the narrow little world the force you to follow.
You still owe Jason an apology, and no one could give two shakes about whether or not your catholic church is being "infiltrated" from insiders who want to tear it down, go fight these catholics instead of us.
You have proven that you have no integrity or honesty here and aren't these qualities important to catholics? You are just so intent on insulting the ideas that are important to most people here, that you forsake any semblance of morality to do it.
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C'mon, fisherman. You're really stretching to fault me.
