Tolerance, the newly contrived virtue of the day, (which is not scriptual), has no tolerance for Christianity, most of all Catholic Christians.
JoAn, I don't care a whit about what is scriptural, your arguments have no effect on me. I view them as childish and paranoid not one bit reasoned or truthful IMHO. So it isn't worth the debate. If Christians feel so "untolerated" maybe showing some tolerance towards others would bring some their way, Everything in life is a two way street when you don't play fair don't expect fairness in return. remember when you consider responding I don't care what your religion has to say about any of my comments. Christianity isto me d
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Now say you are sorry for misleading and accepting wrong information
sorry , my info is correct. its your braincells that have mutated, killing the thinking process ones. my info is backed by science. yours is backed by religion. sorry, but science trumps religion at every point. you lose again.
"Women need you to stand and protect not continually heap more strive upon them."
but you are not even a woman. nor do you stand for the rights of one. i will stand to protect ppl like denise, but you can rot in hell for all i care.
"Things being posted here are getting more bizzare and indecipherable IMHO!"
the only things bizzare are your postings GG. my catholic mass post is 100% correct. your church is nothing but a satanic cult in the guise of organized religion. shame on you, you devil worshiper!
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sorry , my info is correct. its your braincells that have mutated, killing the thinking process ones. my info is backed by science.
Faith, reason & science are not to be in contradition. Science in and of itself does determine morality. It is up to the disposition of humanbeings to determine what is to be socially acceptable based upon its root to natural law. Just because we can do it does not give one license to perform it.
Dr. Joel Brind writer of the referenced link that explains the increase of cancers of women taking birth control pills is a professor of biology & endocrinology at Baruch College, NY.
Dr. Brind has been studying the abortion-breast cancer link since 1982. He is a Yale graduate with degrees in biology, chemistry and endocrinology from New York University.
He can be contacted.
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i will stand to protect ppl like denise, but you can rot in hell for all i care.
I'm glad you will protect denise.
What happened on your test?
Why can't you stay on topic and stop attacking me? Someday I will be gone, fisherman without even a good bye. Right now I think these social issues are worth the risk.
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"Why can't you stay on topic and stop attacking me?"
lol you are joking right? you, GG , are the one who cant stay on topic. the last half a page of this thread proves that.
i asked about any cases where thr ACLJ has fought to protect the rigts of a non christian. you not only failed to supply a single one, but also changed the topic to other right winged christian orginazations. why dodge the question and attempt to distract by changing the question.
i commented about how you were squarely defeated in the fish thread pertaining to the mutation of fish. you then changed the topic to birth control pills causing cancer. why the change in topic? if my info was so incorrect in regards to the mutating fish, why not stay on that topic and try to debate it? simple, you werent able to win.
----------- "Someday I will be gone, fisherman without even a good bye"
one can only pray it will be soon. and the fact that you recieve no good bye is of noones fault but your own.
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i asked about any cases where thr ACLJ has fought to protect the rigts of a non christian. you not only failed to supply a single one,
Rights for non-christians existed until the ACLU and cohorts came along to remove Judeo-Christianity public expressions and displays. Christianity does not impose, threaten or sue others who oppose its teachings for it defends freedom of will.
The ACLJ and other organizations exist to protect you and all American citizens to worship freely, or to rail against others' beliefs as you spend so much time doing.
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once again, you are attempting to change the topic. so i will once again ask, provide ONE instance where the ACLJ has fought for the rights of non christians.
"Christianity does not impose, threaten or sue others who oppose its teachings for it defends freedom of will"
really? but according to the article you just posted in the world threat thread, you believe it is wrong for someone to swear an oath to the koran, despite that it is THEIR religious book. so radical christians like you are IMPOSING your will and religious beliefs onto others, including a legally elected representitive of congress. how is that defending freedom of will?
the ACLJ only protects the rights of a select group and not americans as a whole. the ACLU protects everyones rights, whether they are liberal, conservative, athiest, or even catholic radicals like yourself.
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Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
provide ONE instance where the ACLJ has fought for the rights of non christians.
There is no need to fix what is not broken.
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you believe it is wrong for someone to swear an oath to the koran, despite that it is THEIR religious book.
It is not the book American use and it is not the upon which even Jewish and non Christians have for several hundred years sworn an oath upon.
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so radical christians like you are IMPOSING your will and religious beliefs onto others, including a legally elected representitive of congress. how is that defending freedom of will?
Because you know perfectly well he is hell bent upon Islamotizing the United States of America.
You mock the flag, you mock our American documents and most of all you are the radical that mocks our troops currently willing to die to protect freedom. You mock ALL VETERANS!! The US military has not and still does not serve for a take-over of radical islamofascists in the US. Are you so blinded!!
Have you heard of Ahmadinejad's letter to US citizens?
The Koran does not separate Church and State. One must live under Sharia Law - NO EXCEPTIONS!! And you who hates religious references. Look whom you are defending??!!
More later on the letter.
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“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.’
“Let us with caution indulge that morality can be obtained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail with the exclusion of religious principles.”
When I read stuff like this, I think of the Taliban... the only difference is the religion that is being forced upon everyone in this country. Why can't people learn to live with others religious folks non-religious folks and cultures? This is what makes America such a great Nation. The idea that you can practice whatever faith you want, or not believe in a faith at all. Why are some religious folks determined to force ALL tax payers to support their religion? Do they not see the danger in this?
That's why there is a seperation of CHURCH and STATE..... so that one religion doesn't dictate what all others can and cannot believe in in this "free" country of ours.
There is a purpose to my art, I just haven't figured out that purpose yet.
once again you skirt the issue. so i will ask again, provide ONE instance where the ACLJ has fought for the rights of non christians. why do you constantly change the topic? perhaps it is because you CANT answer the question without resorting to another lie.
--------- "It is not the book American use and it is not the upon which even Jewish and non Christians have for several hundred years sworn an oath upon."
please give an instance of someone who is a non christian making an oath on the bible. dont include jews, since they believe in the old testiment part of the bible. can you name any athiests or non christians that have sworn an oath on the bible? i await another lie to spew from your mouth. --------
"Because you know perfectly well he is hell bent upon Islamotizing the United States of America."
so somehow you are magically able to read his thoughts and his mind and determine what he is set to do, even though he has yet to be sworn in? pretty judgemental dont you think? doesnt the bible say that only god can judge? so right now you are opposing your very own doctrine which you are attempting to force apon others. ----------
"You mock the flag, you mock our American documents and most of all you are the radical that mocks our troops currently willing to die to protect freedom. You mock ALL VETERANS!! The US military has not and still does not serve for a take-over of radical islamofascists in the US. Are you so blinded!!"
i dont mock the flag. i , unlike you, hold the american constitution with full regard. i am trying to protect and defend its rights and freedoms it gives, not take them away like you are. as for mocking the troops, can you name ONE instant when i did? please enlighten us. but i CAN give an example when YOU mocked our troops and essentially called them idiots. you asid, when argueing with denise, that our troops were stupid because of the state of public education. so whos the ones whos really mocking our troops and veterans? and the US military fights and supports ALL americans, despite their religious views, political views, race, or sex. you are the radical. you think that a SINGLE muslim who has been DEMOCRATICLY elected by american voters in a valid election is a takeover? get real, mrs AMERICAN CATHOLICBAN. you are no differnt than the taliban terrorists you despise. so i would say that you are the one blinded to reality GG.
---------- "Have you heard of Ahmadinejad's letter to US citizens?"
yes, and he called regular americans "noble". he is only against flawed american foreign policy that was enacted by an idiotic moron like GW bush. ----------
"The Koran does not separate Church and State. One must live under Sharia Law - NO EXCEPTIONS!! And you who hates religious references. Look whom you are defending??!"
apparently, you dont seperate church and state either. so whats the differnce? according to your daily rants, one must also live under YOUR catholic and christian rules and laws also. if they dont, you brand them as terrorists, unamerican, and destroyers of the constitution.
i dont hate religion. i am actually a born again christian and i take my faith seriously. however, i know that God doesnt belong in politics and politics dont belong in the church. i also know that radicals like yourself who say they are christians really are not. you dont possess ANY of the qualities that true christians have. you are judgemental, quick to cast stones, ignorant, unwise and uninformed to actual happenings in the world, and essentially living a very draconian lifestyle that is not unlike those of the Al quida and taliban followers.
so what do you have to say now , you catholicban cult follower?
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Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
The First Amendment is complete in its entire text regarding religion:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . "
First First Amendment simply prevents federal from establishing a national state church.
It was was Alex de Toucqueville in 1840 who observed and prophesied that in our country political questions become judicial questions (and we have all too often observed the jaitorous decisions imposed on US citizens), for they have time and time again masterfully and mysteriously rewritten the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.
Separation of church/God and state and wall of separation are now being used erroneouly but successfully.
A major botch of judicial authority was with the Everson v Board of Education in 1947 and we have been on a continuing judicial downnhill slide. Anti-religious and anti-American sentiments are being foistered upon U S citizens by special appointed judges. ACLU connives and tries cases with these judges who wil rule in favor of that which is infringing upon 'freedom', that which will prevent religious Judeo Christian belief practices and displays.
Do you not see the hand writing on the wall of forcing Americans to become world citizens??
The Founding Fathers believed in the promotion of religion. They wanted to avoid a state church or any other favoring of one Christian denomination over another (one religion over another). No favoritism and NO compulsion - nothing more!
It is the 20th century Supreme court that embellished the wall of separation lie. They failed to defend the First Amendment but rather "reinterpreted" it. The following is forbidden thanks to the hostile actions of the ACLU:
school prayer
school vouchers
display of anything remotely religious on public property
equal funding of books, bricks or equipment to ALL schools
equal grants to educate about dangers of abortion, birth control pills, chastity, assisted suicide
Replacements of the above:
data bank on each US student
passing out naturally flawed latex
sex ed weaved into all public school classes
invasive questionnaires that purposely intend to get students thinking about involvements in sexual activity
the intentional removal of natural modesty most offense to females
advice of guidance counselors to teens without informing parents
school officials assisting a teen girls to get birth control pills* or abortions without informing parents (N. Pelosie has consistently voted against parental notification.)
references to Christmas and Easter break references are now winter and spring breaks
4 out of 10 children are born out of wedlock
more teen suicide, alcohol and drug consumption
increased teen shootings
major increase of HIV/Aids/stds
increased infertility
dumbing down of education and lowering of expectation
NEA adoption of United Nations Declaration of Human Rights July 2006, Orlando, Fl.
Human wills are being shattered with change agent principals and teachers in the indoctrination of a monopoly in education. Get them while they are young. Public schools teach very little American history and purposely blame the US for all major wars and upheavels in the world.
There is an internal imploding infection within our nation.
*World Health Organization has stated that contraceptives are carcinogenic. The NCI has blacked out this important piece of information since 2003!
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
fisherman - I think your brain cells have become putrified from too much exposure to sea air. You better hope there is reversal of the failure of synapses of the brain to operate in a cohesive amiable manner.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Do you think the extremism and mind controlled postings are reaching levels of hysteria and psychosis here? Things being posted here are getting more bizzare and indecipherable IMHO!
Yup. seems there are boogeymen everywhere. wierd huh?
When the world is run by fools it is the duty of intelligence to disobey
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JOHN LENNON: Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said: "Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple. Today we are more famous than Him.” (1966) Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.
TANCREDO NEVES (President of Brazil): During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then died.
THE MAN WHO BUILT THE TITANIC: After the construction of the Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it." The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.
MARILYN MONROE: She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: "I don't need your Jesus." A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.
Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive.
JESUS!!!
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Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive.
Looking at the finger pointing at the moon
When the world is run by fools it is the duty of intelligence to disobey
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Why can't people learn to live with others religious folks non-religious folks and cultures?
A good question to be directed at the ACLU? That organization has connivingly stirred the controversy. Christianity does not impose and is a direct protection for all to profess their convictions. Remove the rights to express Christian beliefs and you remove US citizen's freedoms. There is a direct link. Have you not seen or been in touch with the consequences of removing the Ten Commandments and school prayer??
Do you not get the root causes and intentions? A nation cannot and cares not to become 'globalist' if Christianity is allowed to exist. Are you aware that the European Charter refuses to include any references to its nations roots of Christianity. Talk about revisionist's destruction!!
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
"Christianity does not impose and is a direct protection for all to profess their convictions"
does not impose? but that is what you do on a daily basis here GG. your words are nothing nut crap , as they have no true behind them. you say one thing, but od the exact opposite instead.
so i guess in your understanding, direct protection for all to profess their convictions only applies if the person is a christian and not some other religion. mean what you say and say what you mean GG. actions speak louder than words and right now, your actions brand you as a catholifacist. --------- " Remove the rights to express Christian beliefs and you remove US citizen's freedoms"
your statement SHOULD read 'remove the rights to express ANY RELIGIOUS beliefs and you remove us citizens freedoms. why should us freedoms only be associated with christianity? do not muslims, jews, athiests, hindus, and buddists live in the us? isnt their right to express THEIR religious beliefs just as important and legal as yours?
by saying that only christians beliefs pertain to free religious expression means everything i have been saying about you all this time is true. that you are nothing but an ignorant catholifacist who wants to curtail all other religions. --------- "Have you not seen or been in touch with the consequences of removing the Ten Commandments and school prayer??"
what consenquences? the only ones i have heard are from nutcases like yourself, which i may add, holds absolutely NO merit at all.
btw, since you are so fond of having religious themes in our government offices, then im sure you wouldnt mind passages of the koran posted in public areas. im sure you wouldnt also mind hearing the 3 daily prayers that muslims say. after all, we cant exclude prayer from our schools. if you are opposed to hearing such prayers of seeing part of the koran, then you should be equally opposed to christian prayers and passages in public. if not, then once again , you have proven your ignorance and hypocracy. ----------- "Do you not get the root causes and intentions? A nation cannot and cares not to become 'globalist' if Christianity is allowed to exist."
hmmm, lets see if thats true. right now christians are the majority religion in america. GW wishes to impose us ldeals onto the globe in the form of war and santions. so that means that the united states, despite being a christian majority nation, is attempting to become globalistic and empirialistic. proven wrong once again GG. --------- "Are you aware that the European Charter refuses to include any references to its nations roots of Christianity. Talk about revisionist's destruction!!"
no, the europeans just wish to not revisit the catholic induced crusades, the inquisitions, canon law, the catholic-nazi pacts, and all the other roman catholic crimes against humanity. they also realize that religion holds no place in politics and vice versa. smart people. they just dont want to copy the follies of the american government of the last 6 years.
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Yup. seems there are boogeymen everywhere. wierd huh?