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i wonder who she can be refering to? hmmmmm.......i havent a clue!!

Do I have permission to address the gentleman from the most southernly eastern state in the US?

(from just a northern rule abiding citizen)

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this evil manifests its self in every person to some degree, including you and i GG. i, often lose my temper. you force your morals onto others. but yet, as you pointed out, there is also good in everyone to some degree also.

I'm most aware of my human failings, fisherman, but that does not mean I'm to stay stuck in them. As for forcing, how is that possible when I am 3000 miles away from your existence. There is good in everyone to some degree, but we are not to be mesmerized by it but to continue the good work begun in each of us and bring it to completion. None can boast of their existence but can only humble themselves in gratitude for it.

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you also forgot to mention the evil or inhumane human potential that exists in every human in some level. this evil exploits, admires corporate greed, welcomes poverty and despair, becomes gleefull at the slaughter of innocents, the destruction of civilization.

Inhumane potential is endless. Daily we need to scrutinize ourselves as to how we participated in the death culture that is forcing itself upon us.

There is a "BIG STICK" that wants to beat the US political establishment. This underlying force wants to create chaos, dismantle economic, political, social, and cultural institutions. Engendered strife intends to wear down the people so that they will except a Chavas, a Castro, a Hilter, or any dictator that will promise order and tranquility again.

You say I impose,but think about the many years the US has been a melting pot of peoples from many nations allowing "freedom of religion" that is now being trampled upon. In order to achieve a 'tight controlling ruling class' of the world, traditions and Christianity must be removed. Traditions and Christianity stand inf opposition. Mockery of Christian morality is widespread. The ACLU is one of those agencies being used intent upon mocking our Constitution and using traitorous judges to smear wholesomeness of character and break apart the most important group in society - the family. Even our public education system is intent upon separating parents from their children and indoctrinating students to a dangerous order. Do you have any idea what I am talking about??

You do not dig deep enough, fisherman, for who's behind the turmoils in Congress and the world, the many disruptions and distractions that attack goodness.

"I'm most aware of my human failings, fisherman, but that does not mean I'm to stay stuck in them. As for forcing, how is that possible when I am 3000 miles away from your existence. There is good in everyone to some degree, but we are not to be mesmerized by it but to continue the good work begun in each of us and bring it to completion. None can boast of their existence but can only humble themselves in gratitude for it."


so, you admit you have failings but in a way, you are sort of denying that you attempt to force your religious morals and agenda onto everyone. at least you made the step and admitted you have a problem. now you just have another 11 steps to go before you are cured.

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"Inhumane potential is endless. Daily we need to scrutinize ourselves as to how we participated in the death culture that is forcing itself upon us."

you mean just as you try to force your religious moral culture onto others on this site?

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"There is a "BIG STICK" that wants to beat the US political establishment. This underlying force wants to create chaos, dismantle economic, political, social, and cultural institutions. Engendered strife intends to wear down the people so that they will except a Chavas, a Castro, a Hilter, or any dictator that will promise order and tranquility again."

but didnt bush promise order and tranquility when he became president in 2000? didnt he also claim to be a 'compassionate' conservative? (as if there is such a thing) didnt he also make the claim that he wanted to unite the nation?

perhaps this "big stick" you are refering to is within our own government. it certainly makes sense. by putting america at risk constantly, bush and his cronies have only increases the fear factor that apparently runs the lives of many americans, including yours GG.

you are fearful of many things and you play into the scene bush created just like a puppet. you are afraid of terrorists, you are afraid of christianity 'disappearing', you are fearful of other religions that you cant possibly compehend, and you are fearful of overall change.

because you have given into this fear tactic time and time again, you can be sure that the bush administration will call onto you whenever they raise the terror alert level, claim that a lack of morals are destroying america, or anyone of their other false alarms that you so greedily and easily take in.

you talk badly about people like chavez and castro, but let me ask you this...when was the last time cuba was involved in a pre emptive war? when was the last time chavez allowed his nations oil companies to make record profits despite the fact that his people cannot afford it? when was the last time that castro allowed the citizens of cuba to be denied medical care?

bush has invaded nations that posed no threat to us, allowed oil companies to make record profits while normal americans have to choose between gas, food, and medicine. he has also weakened the amount of medical attention americans recieve. so whos really the hitler here?

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"You say I impose,but think about the many years the US has been a melting pot of peoples from many nations allowing "freedom of religion" that is now being trampled upon. In order to achieve a 'tight controlling ruling class' of the world, traditions and Christianity must be removed. Traditions and Christianity stand inf opposition. Mockery of Christian morality is widespread"

GG, you are swimming in the deep end once again (nothing new there). you claim that freedom of religion is being removed. its not being removed, and if it is, it is by christians themselves. christians (like yourself GG) are the hypocritical ones who are suppressing free religious expression in this nation. you attempt to force out other religions that you dont understand and then try to act as if you are the victims. get real! who do you think you are trying to fool?

with one hand you claim religious intolerance in this nation, and with your other hand, you would gladly sweep religions like islam and hinduism out the door. with one hand, you claim that a war on christmas was declared, but with your other hand, you happily declare war on islam and all its fundimentals. it seems to me like you are the one trampling onto others freedoms GG.

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"The ACLU is one of those agencies being used intent upon mocking our Constitution and using traitorous judges to smear wholesomeness of character and break apart the most important group in society - the family. Even our public education system is intent upon separating parents from their children and indoctrinating students to a dangerous order. Do you have any idea what I am talking about??"

(sigh). well, here you go once again, just proving my point that you give into any type of fear that comes along. you are afraid of the aclu (even though they protected your buddy rush limbaurg), you are afraid of legally appointed judges because they rule diffently than you would, you are afraid of the public school system even though you probably have never attended such a system. it seems to me that you are afraid of anything new and what you cant understand. you remind me of the dumbasses of the past that thought if they sailed into uncharted waters, they would sail off the face of the planet.

you also speak of an education system that "is intent upon separating parents from their children and indoctrinating students to a dangerous order." are you refering to the catholic cult schools that you probably attended? they use brainwashing techniques, as well as anti social behavior modification to mold their students into mindless zombies not able to think for themself. oh!! im a catholic!! i must listen to everything the pope says!! duhhhh!!! i must follow unconditionally, even if it means death! duhh!! i cant think for myself, instead relying on the church to supply all my answers. GG, you are nothing more than a puppet to people like the pope and bush. and you know what? they love you for it.

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"You do not dig deep enough, fisherman, for who's behind the turmoils in Congress and the world, the many disruptions and distractions that attack goodness"

sometimes the answers are right in front of us, but we are blinded to the obvious. in this instance the problem is simple. bush. once bush is gone, things will get back to normal. bush is the one who has divided america. bush is the one who has allowed corporate greed to flourish the last 6 yrs, he is the one who started illegal wars which will have no end, he is the one that started most of the messes which torment the world today.

i may not dig deep enough, but you skirt the obvious GG. and in this case, digging is not required. the truth is so plain and easy to see, except those (like you) who have succumbed to the constant fear tactics used by this administration.

speaking of fear tactics, the administration is now creating a virus alert level. apparently, their color coded alert thing has lost its usefulness (esp when it was abused and used for political purposes in the first place).theres something else for you to worry about GG. and like a puppet allowing a hand to control it, im sure you will follow lock step into this new fear tactic that the bush administration will use to exert control over its dwindling amount of followers.

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you mean just as you try to force your religious moral culture onto others on this site?

Just attemtting to reason that it is humanities' natural goodness to defend life and that it takes alot in conniving and twisting to convince to do otherwise.

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didnt he also make the claim that he wanted to unite the nation?

How uniting is it to exploit and use illegal workers to make millions of dollars as in Pelosi?

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increases the fear factor that apparently runs the lives of many americans,

It's called common sense awareness of Islamofascism and extreme Muslims that want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth, kill Pope Benedict the XVI, takeover the US and the British, and snuff out the lives of all infidels.

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you are afraid of christianity

Christianity will never disappear. However, the United States as we know it could very well be be lost.

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claim that a lack of morals are destroying america,

It is. That is due to the planning of those who yield the underlying secretive powers you are afraid to face into.

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when was the last time cuba was involved in a pre emptive war? when was the last time chavez allowed his nations oil companies to make record profits despite the fact that his people cannot afford it? when was the last time that castro allowed the citizens of cuba to be denied medical care?

When was the last time someone risked their lives desiring to live in Cuba? How many thousands of people have died desiring to live in freedom in America wanting to get away from the Communist dictator and hater of humanity? When was there ever a 'free election' for the dictator thug? What has happened to the young boy whom storm troopers ordered by Reno forced him back to Cuba? Is he still alive and if so will he ever be normal. What kind of reindoctrination and drugging has he had to undergo to be rehabilitated to live back in horror?

The Catholic (so he thinks) governor of Maine in December 2005 went to Cuba with his pals. Not one source of controlled media in Maine covered the story. None would have known if it had not been for the bravery of certain individuals to disclose this 'friendly' trip. What do you suppose the media was covering up and why? After all a governor's life and his expenditures are for his constituents to be knowledgeable about.

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bush has invaded nations that posed no threat to us

the major movers of the Democrat party are on record stating the major threat Suddam was to the world's safety. hillary is attempting to cover it over in her campaigning and the informationless media is giving her a pass not asking the hard questions.

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allowed oil companies to make record profits

China is building a new oil refinery every 3 days and this country has not built one for 17 years because of the greenies who are being USED as pawns in the takeover and the demise of the US.

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while normal americans have to choose between gas, food, and medicine. he has also weakened the amount of medical attention americans recieve. so whos really the hitler here?

Hillary and bill had 8 years to improve health care and they did "negative - ziltch" about improving lives except to force more imposed sterilizations, abortions, and coverup the dangers of cancers, (ABC link) and other consequences, such as suicide in relation to these procedures.

I don't hear you being bothered about the hundreds of deaths DAILY in large American cities. I don't hear you being bothered about the increased school shootings as Columbine, increased drugs brought into the US and guards sentenced to extreme length of prison time doing their job to prevent them from crossing over the borders. I don't hear you being bothered over mean personal vanity, increased materialism, the horrors of pornography, the slime given out by Hollywood elists, the dumbing down of American public schools, the breaking up of families, and many other methods of formless subhuman activities.

I attended public schools, fisherman and I have alot of knowledge about its demoralizing techniques used on our kids today. I wish so much you could understand what's going on daily in class rooms.

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allowed oil companies to make record profits

Our infrastructure is based on oil and we use alot of it. Why are we dependent upon foreign oil is the question you should be asking?

Create the problem and blame another for the problem is a ploy. It's all about power and control. And you fisherman, are willing to sell the soul of the US to the highest bidder.

well i hope you enjoyed wasting all that time typing GG because i didnt even bother to read your reply. well done!!

frankly, i really dont care what you have to say in response because you take every liberal action out of proportion and attempt to justify every sick, perverted conservative act. so essentially we are both speaking to deaf audiences. at least i know that im working for the better of the world.

you only wish to sell out america. you already sold your soul to satan (pope benidict) and are in the process to mortgaging it to the bush cronies to help pay for his illegal wars.

not once in the 4-5 months that i have been a member have you offered anything worth mentioning. you are a lost cause as far as im concerned and eventually, your kind will take the same path as the dinosaurs-extinction.

face it, noone likes or enjoys a judgemental religious radical who belongs to a cult run by a member of hitlers youth army. maybe you are the reason that deniport doesnt come on anymore. you create more hate and bigotry than you claim to stop or prevent.

OK, fisherman, if you find it comfortable to just speak to the choir.

its not about speaking to the choir. i would just rather not talk to a nutcase.


sawdust and i have plenty of disagreements but we are always civil. you know why? because he attempts to REASON with others. he doesnt just clip parts of religious slanted articles onto threads and expect ppl to respect him. he supplies data and facts, not religious morals, which frankly, i could care less about, esp you catholic cult views. so in that regard, you are wasting your time GG.

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It's all about power and control. And you fisherman, are willing to sell the soul of the US to the highest bidder.

It was sold to the Federal Reserve a century ago. Keep up .

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It's all about power and control. And you fisherman, are willing to sell the soul of the US to the highest bidder.

It was sold to the Federal Reserve a century ago. Keep up .

yes, Yes!, KennyMac. Henry Ford was quoted as stating that, "it is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution."

Money functions as a faith, as a religion. It is mysterious and requires universal social consent for worthless pieces of paper and plastic to take on a value.

Hey, fisherman, my 8 year old grandson asked me today what my favorite animal was and I responded after careful thinking that it was a rhinoceros (sp.??) He told me that means I have its power. So there you have it; don't mess with me because "I've got the power."

don't you just love our incredible public school system that teaches about ANIMAL POWER, in stead of striving for impeccable human character? It just warms my heart

I asked my 5 year old grandson what the sign language is for 'love' and he couldn't remember, but he remembered RECYCLing. I continually get over joyed with the formation of these little peoples' minds (and if you believe this I have a bridge to sell!).

hey GG, i dont really care. once again you are wasting your breath talking to someone who will never agree with anything you say.

you talk how your 5 yr old grandson couldnt remember the sign language for "love" but was able to remember recycling. good for him!! pretty intelligent for a 5 yr old. most 5 yr olds cant even say recycling.

heres a question: if you believe that the catholic cult school system is so grand and our public schools are so messed up, why are they in public schools? could it because your very own son/duaghter doesnt share your viewpoints? or maybe is it the fact that catholic (or any private school) is too expensive for normal americans to afford?

there certainly must be a good reason why they are in public schools and not in the brainwashing schools of the catholic system.

btw, i went to catholic school for 9 yrs and its not any better than public schools. in fact, if anything, it is worse because catholic cult schools (ill call them CCS from now on) dont teach the meaning of individualatity or the art of socializing. instead they teach 'morals' like conformity, sexual pevertion (hands on training by the priests), and to think not outside the box. this leads to brainwashed, dumbed down, anti social people at later ages. fortunitely, i have not been effected in such a way, unlike many other out there.

"I continually get over joyed with the formation of these little peoples' minds (and if you believe this I have a bridge to sell!)."

GG, i never believe a word you say anyways, so what makes you think im going to start now? another wasted effort. but i know a bunch of conservative who might be intersted. apparently, they believe everything that is told to them (as long as it is by another conservative). maybe they will be interested in your 'bridge'.

so fisherman, whose drum beat are you following?

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there certainly must be a good reason why they are in public schools and not in the brainwashing schools of the catholic system.

There are Catholic Schools that are very good; however, none exists in liberal Maine, but anything is better than the public schools. Mother earth worshipping is already understood by my 8 yr. old grandson and his desire to be a vegetarian.

Do you know what 'loving with an open palm' means, fisherman? Think about it. I've learned to love my family that way.

They've gone they way of the church of secularism and you have no idea how difficult it is to see their sufferings, and they do not know why they suffer. I admire my son-in-law, the father of my grand children for many reasons. We had a difficult beginning, but now we have a very good relationship and I am in gratitude for it. One thing I've asked of him in regards to my grandchildren is that they would be Baptized. Being a grandmother is so much more difficult than being a mother, but I would not trade the joy they bring inspite of the anxiousness of knowing that daily in school and in the media (especially the older with electronics) the deceitful purposeful intentions of stealing children's hearts and smearing their minds with trash. "Be careful little minds what you see" is a song by Steve Green, and I fear they have already seen too much, too fast, too soon. My grandsons drive me to my knees. (good place,eh - - )

Government intervention in families' lives is not good (there are exceptions, of course). Parents heap gifts upon their children thinking that is loving them and will not enforce the meaning of "NO". Children are confused because they have no boundaries or consequences for wrong behavior. (Sounds like our border policies, don't ya think?)

So as a female when I plead with men to take their rightful place, I really mean it fisherman. If you truly want respect, admiration, stability, freedom - "be all that you were meant to be", stop listening to the ways of worldliness that will surely disappoint you. The world is in desparate need of men who defend goodness and valor. It saves lives.

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So as a female when I plead with men to take their rightful place, I really mean it fisherman. If you truly want respect, admiration, stability, freedom - "be all that you were meant to be", stop listening to the ways of worldliness that will surely disappoint you. The world is in desparate need of men who defend goodness and valor. It saves lives

i am already admired and respected GG. i dont wish nor have i asked for your respect. respect from you means nothing to me, as seeing how you respect a mass murderer in george bush. yes, he is just as responsible for all the innocents deaths in iraq as saddam was. i cannot respect or want respect from someone who admires and worships a mass murderer like bush.


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"There are Catholic Schools that are very good; however, none exists in liberal Maine"

another lie by GG. apparently, you still dont know how to do research. you would rather tell an outright lie and blame it on "liberals" than actually find out the truth. so who told you there were no catholic schools in maine? a conservative? a church cult member? either way, once again i caught you in an outright lie which you tried to blame on liberals.

so tell me GG, why the need to constantly lie, decieve, and distort the truth? if you are going to lie about something as simple as a school, why should anyone believe you about anything else you say here? everything you spew is a lie only intended to promote your radical cult agenda. once again i caught you in the act. i will continue to expose you for the fraud that you are GG as long as you continue to spew your outright lies.

catholic schools in maine

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"Being a grandmother is so much more difficult than being a mother, but I would not trade the joy they bring inspite of the anxiousness of knowing that daily in school and in the media (especially the older with electronics) the deceitful purposeful intentions of stealing children's hearts and smearing their minds with trash"

how is being a grandmother MUCH more difficult than being a mother? are your children still living with you? do you have to care for children on an everyday basis? i think not. another lie told by the mistress of falsehoods.

and perhaps its not the public schools smearing the childrens minds with trash, but rather people like you. if you are going to lie about something like schools on a blog site, what kind of radical conservative fantasies are you attempting to teach your grandkids?

i say BRAVO to your daughter and son inlaw for not joining the catholic cult and putting their children in a normal, non radical environment like a public school.

and i will continue to expose you as the judas/ bush/ liar/ deciever (pick your favorite) that you are.

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I admire my son-in-law, the father of my grand children for many reasons. We had a difficult beginning

gee, i wonder why!! who fault could it possibly have been? if you talk to strangers like me with lies, it really makes me wonder how you treat your own family. i would have disowned you a long time ago if you were in my family. you would have been known as "crazy cult grandma joan".

apparently, the words of advise i gave before xmas did not take effect. if anything, you choose to totally disregard my advise and my olive branch i offered, instead reverting back to the GG of old. but thats ok, i figured as much from a cult follower.


oh btw, i did some research on the catholic cult, mainly the vatican, and found some startling facts:

the vatican is the worlds smallest nation, along with the smallest national population. yet it had a GNP of over 250 million in 2004. how is this possible? through donations to the catholic church. the church even accepts credit cards now. cost of donation:10 dollars. cost of another donation:25 dollars. selling your soul to a satanic cult: priceless!

Vatican City was created in 1929 by the Lateran Treaty, which was signed dictator Benito Mussolini. sure seems like the catholic church in general likes to sign treaties with ruthless dictators like hitler and mussolini.

it is ruled by the Pope, basically a non-hereditary, elected monarch who rules with absolute authority (he’s the legislative, executive and judiciary all rolled into one) - indeed, the Pope is the only absolute monarch in Europe. an absolute monarch is the exact same thing as a dictator. this means that the pope is on par with the likes of hitler, castro, saddam, stalin, and other historical madmen.

The Vatican City is guarded by the smallest and oldest regular army in the world, the Swiss Guard. It was originally made up of Swiss mercenaries in 1506, all of which are Catholic unmarried male Swiss citizens. most of the Swiss Guards carry pistols and submachine-guns.
i sure find it interesting that a church (esp one that declares itself peaceful) has a need for such killing weapons. also strange is the need for mercenaries to protect the pope. maybe the catholic church isnt the peaceful organization it claims to be.

Listen Mike, In regards to Catholic schools I said GOOD Catholic schools are not known in Maine. Of course we have them and once again they better then the dumbing down education in the public arena.

As for the structure of the Catholic Church, you totally misunderstand.

You rail against the fact Pope Benedict XVI has a protection of guards. Have you not heard that Islamofascists have threatened his life?

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what kind of radical conservative fantasies are you attempting to teach your grandkids?

For instance, "How to be a Gentleman". Yes, we practice it. Last summer my older grandson asked me why evil continues to exist? I won't give you the context of what caused him to ask that question, but I have to tell you that these formative years are amazingly wonderful.

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how is being a grandmother MUCH more difficult than being a mother?

I observe their parents losing the battle of responsible parenting. My grandchildren like so many children of this day do not respect "NO". They just don't believe its possible that they should not have their way.

Enough about my personal life. Once again you trash what you fail to understand. I don't remember you offering an 'olive branch', Mike.

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gee, i wonder why!! who fault could it possibly have been? if you talk to strangers like me with lies, it really makes me wonder how you treat your own family. i would have disowned you a long time ago if you were in my family. you would have been known as "crazy cult grandma joan".

To ask prospective spouses of my children to treat them properly is not easy and yes, it gets misunderstood because it is not popular to do so. I risk being called whatever, but I risk it because I love my family and want what is best for them. Popularity and being accepted on just any terms has lost its grip on me. And you know somethin' else Mike, I don't fit in to their new chosen world. You think I cannot see the sufferings, dissapointments and heartaches. You're wrong. Alot gets shared with me and I've learned not to answer a question not asked.

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observe their parents losing the battle of responsible parenting. My grandchildren like so many children of this day do not respect "NO". They just don't believe its possible that they should not have their way.

Enough about my personal life. Once again you trash what you fail to understand. I don't remember you offering an 'olive branch', Mike.

i do agree with you that alot of parents seek the 'easy way' of parenting and are afraid to tell their children NO. i was raised to respect my parents, because if i didnt, i would get a beating. now, i dont condone beating a child, but boundries must be set and adhered to. its a shame that alot of parents let their children walk all over them like that.

as for trashing what i dont understand, isnt that exactly what you do on a daily basis here? you constantly bash liberals, or anyone who doesnt support your war president, despie the fact that you dont understand the basis behind it. you also fear what you dont understand. you constantly bash islam as a whole when it is only a SMALL MINORITY of the religion that is at the root of the evil. thats like bashing all catholics because of several dozen peverted priests. i know its wrong, but its easier than attempting to understand the catholic religiion as a whole. see my point im trying to make?

as for the olive branch, i did offer it. its in a thread somewhere. if you did not bother to read my post, i cannot be blamed for that.

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"You rail against the fact Pope Benedict XVI has a protection of guards. Have you not heard that Islamofascists have threatened his life?"

what about before he was threatened? and the mercenaries have been in place since the 16th century, so its not something they just added recently. once again, it begs to ask this question: what use does a religion, which claims to be peaceful, have with an army of mercenaries with pistols and machineguns?

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as for trashing what i dont understand, isnt that exactly what you do on a daily basis here? you constantly bash liberals, or anyone who doesnt support your war president, despie the fact that you dont understand the basis behind it.

I understand this, fisherman, that you are shamefully invested in defeat of American troops in Iraq. Your party will not survive with victory. Victory is not in your party's platform. You fail to see the threat of terrorism. What's it going to take, another 9-11 on American soil? Many in your party understood the threat of terrorism and are ON RECORD stating the fact.

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you constantly bash liberals,

Not bashing, but attempting to reason respectfully.

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despie the fact that you dont understand the basis behind it.

Ask hillary, bill, kerry, kennedy and others in your party that once had the courage to speak in defense of this nation in regards to the threat of terrorism. They understood its reality and now because they want the power they are back peddling.

Americans are not pariahs. Our American troops understand totally WHY THEY VOLUNTEERED TO SERVICE. They understand so well, that the re-enlistment rate is very HIGH! I'm very proud of our American military. If the war against terrorism was not controlled by political hacks, LIVES OF AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD BE SAVED!!

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you constantly bash islam

Please tell me, fisherman, because I perceive you to have intelligence (I really do), what part of Sharia Law resonates with you? How fast and how soon do you want Sharia Law to takeover the US?

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whole when it is only a SMALL MINORITY of the religion that is at the root of the evil.

The difference is that Catholics are not hiding it under the rug. I am embarrassed for these shameful actions and do not run and hide when someone speaks of it. The marjority of peaceful Muslims are silent, therefore, irrelevant!!

Their silence allows the killings, rapes, murders, strapping on of bombs to women and children, beheadings and more to continue. They are considered infidels as you and I.

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but its easier than attempting to understand the catholic religiion as a whole. see my point im trying to make?

My dear fisherman, if you understood the Catholic religion as a whole you would know that it has some within who deliberately intend to do harm and trash what the Catholic Church teaches. They hate/despise the goodness that the Catholic Church teaches. In their mind, evil must prevail and they are dragging many down with them. A case in point is that every one of the priests caught in sexual relationships have also been supporters of birthcontrol and abortion. They never once spoke against these subhuman sinful activities.

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i do agree with you that alot of parents seek the 'easy way' of parenting and are afraid to tell their children NO.

Thank you for understanding. It means alot because I fear for my grandsons.