Personhood consists of body and spirit. How does one 'cut out the spirit'?
How was my comment cutting out the spirit? What I meant is that since we are fundamentally a christian country it has inevitably influenced our culture ie. Christmas, Easter Personally I am an atheist, but I certainly believe in an individual spirit.
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we are fundamentally a christian country it has inevitably influenced our culture ie. Christmas, Easter Personally I am an atheist, but I certainly believe in an individual spirit.
My complaint is that the ACLU and along with the lower courts especially are striving to remove the sensibility of honoring the intentions of the documents handed to us by the founders of this country.
To include "One Nation Under God", in the pledge to the flag, to display the Ten Commandments, to have Christian Bible study groups and gatherings never created a hardship for others. Now we are being squeezed by one world order believing tycoons whose major threat is Christianity. One cannot remove freedoms without FIRST taking away the right to Christian beliefs.
No thug/rogue dictator nation allows Christians to acknowledge their love of God and influence civil law to be hinged to natural law. Natural law is our safe guard for the protection of the common good. Globalists desiring a one world religion are fast removing individuals right to worship freely.
One of the most dangerous places for this indoctrination is in our public schools and also many universities have highly motivated special trained professors with an intentional hatred towards American freedom and Christianity. In order to remove indiviual rights, pursuit of happiness, freedoms, and right to life, Christianity needs to be smeared, tarnished, and history rewritten. I fear, and rightfully so, that many are blinded to these shinanigans.
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Natural law is our safe guard for the protection of the common good. Globalists desiring a one world religion are fast removing individuals right to worship freely.
What is this one world religion GG?
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GG you do realize that the Pledge was written by a socialist in the 20th century and that the Under God bit wasn't added until much later in responce to the red scare.
Do you also realize that In God We Trust was not originally on our currency and it was innitially put on it via subterfuge by congress passing a law giving the authority to create motto's to the secretary of the treasury and appointing someone who would put those 4 words on it completely contrevening the constitutionally ban on eastablishment of religion. That individual could just as easily have put "Satan Rulez" as anything else.
The reality is you have it backwards. It isn't the ACLU and people like me who are trying to undermine the intentions of the founders . It is you and your ilk.
You who are fundamentally opposed to the democratic principles upon which this nation was founded instead embracing an authoritarian ideology.
You are the enemy of goodness and light not its champion. You are the agent of evil in this fight.
Your's is a false god your pope the usuper who claims to speak for the master of all creation as the ultimate authority on all things.
You support a tyrant, you do the bidding of evil and claim to work in the name of the light.
You cry about the loss of potential life in unwanted pregnancies yet close your eyes to all the suffering of the living that your belief system brings about.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion<br />The Treaty of Tripoli 1797
It isn't the ACLU and people like me who are trying to undermine the intentions of the founders . It is you and your ilk.
One thing at a time, Skex. You post too much and I have copied that post. But to begin please tell me first what you perceive is the purpose of the ACLU.
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The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.
Majority power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights, which consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus the three post-Civil War amendments (the 13th, 14th and 15th) and the 19th Amendment (women's suffrage), adopted in 1920.
The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:
Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.
Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
We work also to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including Native Americans and other people of color; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgendered people; women; mental-health patients; prisoners; people with disabilities; and the poor.
If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled.
These folks have defended people from all across the political spectrum and while I may not agree with everything they have done. (I let my membership lapse when they brought a suit in california that was encouraging the installation of electronic voting machines in poor neighborhoods.)
Now I guess you will respond with a pack of lies or the usual inuendo about how it was founded by a bunch of communists that is in some way supposed to undermine their credibility.
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Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion<br />The Treaty of Tripoli 1797
What I meant is that since we are fundamentally a christian country it has inevitably influenced our culture ie. Christmas, Easter
Why does the ACLU fear these names and work so hard to get these holidays removed from the class rooms and market place? California wants to change "Easter Bunny", for instance, to Spring Bunny.
How funny is that!!
Why is Christianity mocked by Hollywood and academia and protected in doing so? Why is pornography so agressively protected. Why is the right to abort human life needed? Why does Congress not pass a law to protect our Flag? Why are National Cancer Institute studies blacked out when they could save lives of many women if they were properly informed of feritility choices? Why do public school students not know their American history nor sing patriotic and traditional Christmas songs any longer? Why are naturally flawed condoms passed out in public schools? Why do our tax dollars support Planned BARONhood? Why are steroids outlawed for male athletes but given freely to very young teens in the form of birthcontrol pills? Why do parents' rights to what their children are being taught in the class room not allowed pass the door of the schools?
Democracy cannot be removed from a country until it removes the right to practice one's Christian beliefs. Remove Christianity and you will witness the demise of the US and if you do not believe that, take a look at Europe and its disappearing cultures because nations are not reproducing themselves.
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Regarding the whole spring bunny vs easter bunny, I am not sure where or why Fox decided to run this non-story, but this takes place in Walnut Creek, CA, I have family there and they have been calling him the spring bunny for years. Oh, oh, I feel the attack on Easter coming a la O'Reilly. No one wants to remove christianity, but it shouldn't be a part of government, anymore than any other religion should be. Afterall this is they way they govern in the Middle East (based on the islamic religion) and I thought we were trying them make us more like us??
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Remove Christianity and you will witness the demise of the US and if you do not believe that, take a look at Europe and its disappearing cultures because nations are not reproducing themselves.
GG. Before uttering your 'take a look at Europe' bollocks. Why don't you come over and take a look yourself? Your comments are ridiculous.
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GG. Before uttering your 'take a look at Europe' bollocks. Why don't you come over and take a look yourself? Your comments are ridiculous.
Europe's Demographic Winter " . .demographic winter that is descending upon that dying continent. Europe, I told them, is almost lost.
Great Britain has already succumbed to the deadly malaise that has gripped postmodern, post-Christian Europe. The birthrate is at historic lows, as is church attendance. Many of the children you see on the streets of London are of Pakistani descent.
.. the red cross of St. George on a field of white -- is discouraged, lest the large and growing population of Muslim immigrants be offended. This is not only multi-culturalism run amok; it is proof positive that the "God-is-dead" types now run the place. To put it another way, St. George may have long ago defeated the dragon, but the wily old serpent has come roaring back in our day.
Russia is on the way to slow extinction. Demographers calculated that by the end of 2075, Russian population will decrease threefold, and on the huge 1/6 of the Earth's soil but some 50-55mln people will remain. Situation in one particular region, Murmansk is catastrophical today already. In Soviet times the demographical statistics were "Top Secret" strategic information. Only in the end of the 50ies it was released into some documents "For Internal Use Only". That is because data such as average length of life, infant birth and death rate, abortion rate, marriage and divorce numbers reflects the true situation in a country. Based on such statistics, experienced specialists can give a long-term prognosis of political, socio-economical and military development for 50-100 years to come.
. . We should celebrate more people, not bemoan population growth,” said Dr. Allan Carlson, founder of the World Congress of Families. “With birth rates plummeting in the industrialized world, America’s population growth is a hopeful sign.”
He’s absolutely right. When societies forget the fact that families are the very basis of civilization -- that they are, in essence, society in a microcosm, reduced to its most fundamental building block -- it’s from that point that they begin a slow but unmistakable decline into helplessness and despair. That’s why the World Congress is sounding the alarm -- most notably at the May 11-13, 2007 “World Congress of Families IV,” to be held in Warsaw, Poland.
It’s billed as “the world’s largest conference of pro-family leaders and grass roots activists.” And that’s exactly what we need -- an unprecedented push from the pro-family forces -- if we’re to have any hope of solving a problem of this magnitude.
For the time being, we’re doing okay, fertility-wise, here in the U.S. Our fertility rate is 2.11 births per woman, right at what demographers consider replacement level. But other parts of the world are in serious trouble. According to the World Congress, the overall fertility rate for Europe is only 1.3. In Italy, it’s 1.2. In Spain, 1.1.
There’s a reason that columnist Mark Steyn, who spoke at The Heritage Foundation in January, calls his latest book “America Alone” -- we’re about the only Western nation not in the throes of what he calls a “death spiral.” Consider Russia, with a fertility rate of 1.2. Britain is also below replacement level, at 1.6 births per woman. So is France, at 1.89 -- and a third of those births are not of the French, but of the new Muslim community that has moved into the country. Plainly put, France will very soon become a country that is not French at all.
It seems ridiculous to have to point out something so obvious, but a society that ceases to reproduce is on the road to extinction.
“How can a declining population maintain a nation’s infrastructure?” Carlson asks. “Who will man Europe’s factories, farms and armies? Who will pay the taxes for essential social services? A birth dearth provides far more challenges than a population explosion.”
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No wonder governments are beginning to take notice -- and take action. Russian President Vladimir Putin, for example, has adopted a policy that offers a $110-monthly stipend to families that have a second child. According to Don Feder, director of communications for the World Congress, “Stay-at-home moms would receive 40 percent of their former salary, and families with two children would get a direct payment of $9,000.” Other countries are offering financial incentives for couples to have more children.
It’s an open question whether this strategy will work, especially when you consider how long we’ve been listening to the selfish, anti-population propaganda of the “population bomb” crowd. Our modern world seems so steeped in narcissism and so averse to welcoming new life that it likely will take more than money to stem the tide.
OK, I'm done for now attempting to share the fact that many nations are in crises. The imbalance of the number of men per the number of females allowed to live is another crises as in China and India. The ratio in China is about 12 or 13 men for every female. What to do with all that man power???
Even the UN (and you know how I feel about the UN) has tried recently to enact laws to prevent abortions by sex selection. They were unsuccessful and they usually are in the matters of protection of the world's people.
Remember when you agreed to the "empty arm syndrome", (I think a first in any matter that you agreed to anything I've posted , I should have marked the date on my calendar), I thought you understood what that meant.
So what does it mean to you?
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Afterall this is they way they govern in the Middle East (based on the islamic religion) and I thought we were trying them make us more like us??
Islamofascism is a self interpreted, without any authority head to determine reasonableness and correct understanding, so called religion. It is a contrived religious belief that demonstrates no love, no sense of responsibility for the commongood which PEACEFUL Muslims oppose.
(So called) Americans (and others) who want to believe that Christianity and Islamofascism are the same are the same silent majority to the death of 3500 babies exterminated in our country daily and almost 50 Million denied the right to life since 1973.
A person can not tolerate the killing of innocent lives and be a Christian. Therefore, there is a continual advancement in the U.S. as the European Union has accomplished in their charter by deleting historical man and Christianity civilization. Our education and legal system, and many politicians are referencing foreign law with EYES SHUT TIGHT to Europes' demise.
A nation without God is an UNcivilized nation. A nation is only as strong as it defends its weakest members.
It's all in connection to the One World Order and One World Religion global warming scheming.
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Nothing. Your quotes mean sod all to me GG if you haven't the real life experience to back it up. As I said. Come over to Europe and have a look around a while and you'll see what its really like.
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Great Britain has already succumbed to the deadly malaise that has gripped postmodern, post-Christian Europe. The birthrate is at historic lows, as is church attendance. Many of the children you see on the streets of London are of Pakistani descent.
So what? Many people that 'founded' the USA were from Asian, European (German, Italian, Irish, British, French etc), descent. Plus of cource the forced imported African peoples and many others. Your nation is inherently multicultural. What is your point?
With regards church attendance in the UK, sure it has dropped but for many people, organised religion just isn't as relevant anymore.
Things change Geeg.
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Nothing. Your quotes mean sod all to me GG if you haven't the real life experience to back it up. As I said. Come over to Europe and have a look around a while and you'll see what its really like.
Someday, hopefully, KennyMac. I have a great desire to travel.
I don't understand how you can deny the experts on population decline. Even the United Nations has warned of the danger. Does that make a difference to you? If I find the link, I'll post it.
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, I should have marked the date on my calendar), I thought you understood what that meant.