I accept your posting from the Catachism (official teachings of interpretation, etc.) what has that to do with anything I have said?
I appreciate your postings, polycarp, but your postings appear unaccepting of the total deposit of faith promulgated by the Roman Pontiff and the bishops' authority and coninuous succession. Catholics acknowledge that Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Magisterium cannot be separated.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
good grief GG, do you pass judgement on EVERYONE? apparently now you find fault with a monk. as for whoever said this:
"They come to learn and practice Zen Buddhist methods of purifying the mind"
i also find that fishing is very relaxing and even enlightening at times. i always see something new when i go fishing and thats something i look forward to.
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
i also find that fishing is very relaxing and even enlightening at times. i always see something new when i go fishing and thats something i look forward to.
I know what you mean. I've spent endless hours packing through the high Sierra seeking that next river, stream or high mountian lake to fly fish. It's one of the ways I still use to practice my "hunter" skills (in the ADD sense of the term) without doing harm to other sentient beings.
Its about bringing the mind to that state of one pointedness. Samadhi, The only place where things happen is in the moment.
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Samadhi (Sanskrit: समाधि, lit. "establish, make firm") is a Hindu and Buddhist term that describes a non-dualistic state of consciousness in which the consciousness of the experiencing subject becomes one with the experienced object,[1] and in which the mind becomes still (one-pointed or concentrated)[2] though the person remains conscious. Sahaj samadhi is the effortless and continual state of perfection of a satguru.[3] It varies from technical terms used to describe the higher levels of concentrated meditation, or dhyana (alt. "jhana"), in Yogic schools, and is considered a precursor for enlightenment, or Nirvana, in Buddhism. It is the eighth and final limb of the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, and comprises the pinnacle of achievements in Samyama, the three-tiered practice of meditation including also dharana and dhyana.
In my experience, the religion that gg speaks of here has a tendency to remove me from consciousness (the sacred moment, the Now, samadhi). I'm not saying it is good or bad but it does not suit me.
"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
Posts: 795 | Location: western slope, northern sierra | Registered: 18 April 2003
Again, Mattewer 25: 36 to the end. No stipulation for baptism given by Jesus Himself, yet heaven is promised.. But there are stipulations that wil separate you from Him. Read it.
How is that, that I will be separated from Him, polycarp? What is your point specifically?
None perform all in your referenced scriptures. I have life because God wills that I live and to perform these things He has asked me to do that is not given to you or any other. None perform them all for none have the capacity to do it all. These talents I have are for my refinement and improvement of societal living. But first I must be faithful in my BEING before the actitivities of social works. Mother Teresa spent time in prayer each morning before she went to the streets to peel human flesh off side walks.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Plant apple seeds, you get apple trees. The fruit is the result of the seeds we plant.
If you want to know your past, look at what's happening to you. If you'd like a glimpse of your future observe what you are doing. Natural law of Karma.
"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
Posts: 795 | Location: western slope, northern sierra | Registered: 18 April 2003
Being a Catholic avails nothing. Catholicism is merely a dressed up religion. And you do not share in the death and blood of Christ. Our works mean nothing toward salvation (Eph 2:8-9). Jesus did it all himself completely and voluntarily. He totally alone paid the price for our sins. He made the way to bridge that gap between mankind and God. You are the beneficiary of that love toward us. Jesus died does not mean that everyone automatically is saved. You have the choice to accept or reject his sacrifice on your behalf. Whosoever believes, in his heart, is saved (John 3:15-18). Is it not fitting that those who reject should live by their decision? The Pharisees got their wish. They said, "We will not have this man to rule over us." They didn't want Jesus to rule over them, then, when they die, they must go somewhere else and since they rejected the light they are cast into outer darkness. And that's for eternity. Jesus dying on the cross does nothing for anyone if they don't act upon that. You believe it with the heart. You don't receive him through some ritual. Baptism and partaking of the Lord's Supper are merely outward signs that you have previously accepted Christ as your Savour. Their is no other name given by which you can be saved. If there were another way, then Jesus need not to have died.
GG Show me in the Bible where it speaks of the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood. Religious sounding phrases are a means used to sidetrack the real discussion into meaningless trivial disputes.
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"Love thy neighbor as thyself. On THIS hangs all the law and the prophets" - Christ
Yes, all the law hangs on that, but, the law does not save anyone. It condemns you. It proves you guilty. Don't guilty people have to make recompense? Don't they need a savour? Why did Christ die? Did he need to?
Matt P.
Posts: 166 | Location: Ohio | Registered: 12 January 2006
GG, did you hear how the bishop of the venice archdioces banned and outlawed yoga for all parishoners, saying it will "give them unholy thoughts"? seems like the church is responding to the yoga classes pretty irrationally.
1)there is no proof yoga corrupts people, esp their soul.
2)once again, as in the past, the catholic church is slow to agree about the medical and health benifits which may result from extensive yoga.
3)by issueing the decree and giving in to the ultraconservatives in the diocese, they are reproclaiming their authoritian rule. it is a society where secrecy and not willing to give up their power reigns.
i mean, if you think about it, the church is making a huge fuss out of some senior citizens taking yoga classes.
and if i could plant a tree, it would be an orange tree/bush.
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
Posts: 1614 | Location: ft myers florida area | Registered: 23 September 2006
fisherman - I'm quite acquainted with yoga, but I'm not willing to extend discussion to why the Catholic priest banned yoga. Maybe another time. Maybe another thread. I was once involved in alot of new age practices and was entertained by karma and reincarnation. It would take alot of time and discussion because I see from the postings that I would up against many who are involved in these practices.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Help for the children, April 19, 2007 Reviewer: Keisha, Location: Philadelphia
As you know the city of Philadelphia and state of Pennsylvania is at the top of the list with the most murders commit for 2007. The ones that are committing these murders are teenagers and young adults. Yes taking GOD out of the schools was the start of violence in the school district all over the United States. This CD is the best thing that anybody could have made. It's the truth and a change needs to take place in all schools.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
GG Show me in the Bible where it speaks of the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood. Religious sounding phrases are a means used to sidetrack the real discussion into meaningless trivial disputes.
".."the Doctrine that Baptism of Water may be replaced by the Baptism of desire or by Baptism of Blood is not, as is some times supposed, a recent development of doctrine, it is taught for instance by St. Gregory Nazianzen in a sermon preached in 381,. . .
Matt, it is written that the world itself could not possibly contain the books that would be written that Jesus taught - John 21:25.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
good grief GG, do you pass judgement on EVERYONE? apparently now you find fault with a monk
Polycarp posted somewhere about my forseeable disapproval of birth control. It appears that he approves of these high powered steriodial drugs that cause a great deal of harm and increase the chances of cancer in a female's body.
Bill king got very upset with me (I could tell he wanted to use a much stronger punch!), when I posted we need to ask forgiveness of our black brothers and sisters. Well likewise, we need to ask forgiveness from the many teens taught to get on the pill as quickly as possible.
Commonsense - anything done UNnaturally to the body creates havoc to the body.
Some facts:
Shameless government handouts and lax regulations have funded the NON profit planned baronhood
with $3.6 BILLION since 1967
received $265 MILLION annually from tax payers' hard earned UNWILLING dollars
has current assets in excess of a half-BILLION dollars
pays its NON-PROFIT organization's president close to $500,000 a year and we get THIS!!
"The Nazi Spin
In the Nazi death camps the victims were labeled "useless eaters," "human ballast", "a mentally dead person," etc. Genetic counselors and physicians who referred for extermination were called, "protectors of the family." Those sentenced to die were "life unworthy of life." The killing was advocated for the "health of the people," being described as "purely a healing treatment" and a "healing work". The bodies of the murdered Auschwitz inmates were referred to as "garbage." Jews were repeatedly referred to as a "disease," for which extermination was the "cure" or "final solution.. . . . . . " ___________________ See how the Nazi regime wrote the script to sell abortion to the American people and the world!
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
GG Why do we need the Catholic Church to tell us what God says or has said? We already have God's word - The Bible.
So, I see you agree that Baptism of Desire is not in the Bible. Your religion made it up. How many other things have they made up?
And about all those priests who molested young boys, if your church was as spiritual as it claims and was being led by God they would have had enough sense to turn them over for judgment. What else have they hid? Your church was more interested in protecting its image and financial status then protecting children. Now it must pay the piper. It is growing smaller and smaller and rightly so. The Catholic Church has NEVER been the representative of God.
Matt P.
Posts: 166 | Location: Ohio | Registered: 12 January 2006
I've not gone into polycarp's thread in regards to Europeans living in poverty, (I'm stretched to the limit, aren't you glad )
and without getting into the morals of the issues, the base cause is the demise, the below replacement birthrates of the nations population is having a major effect on their economies. The most valuable asset of a nation are its people. Turn on the people - as in extermination - and that nation will implode. Germany survived its holocaust because of the American's generosity in rebuilding - as American's rebuilt Japan. Japan is experiencing econimic difficulties and many in the U.S. believe ILLEGALS will bail us out of ENTITLEMENT programs' deficits OR gaining power control by creating more stay-stuck entitlement programs.
(Do you know of any other nation that gains victory in war than rebuilds the nation again as the Americans do??? Please don't give me that blame America "doctrination U" nazi islamofascism's appeasement and surrender speech.). . . .to anybody
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
GG Why do we need the Catholic Church to tell us what God says or has said? We already have God's word - The Bible.
I'm sharing with you what the Catholic Church teaches. I can probably refute all that you say by Sacred Scripture you take out of context.
There is NO place in scripture that states "by Bible ONLY" shall you know the total revelations of Jesus Christ the most perfect reflection of God the Father on earth.
I gave you one of the reasons in the last paragraph in the book of St. John.
St. Paul also tells Timothy to hang on to Traditions - "T", which is quite different than traditions with small "t.
The sexual exploitations by priests in the Catholic Church are a great embarrassment to me and MANY Catholics. Do you think you are the first one to attack me with this. And BTW, the sexual exploitations were not done for the most part with young boys. There is a major cover up going on in this issue.
Yes, God is cleaning house in the Catholic Church; so be it if the numbers are smaller. Do you know that the seminaries and religious organizations teaching "according to the heart of the Church: (Ex Corde Ecclasiae) are filled to the brim and needing more living and teaching space.
The youth are convicted with Truth - the youth respond amazingly when they hear truth. At John Paull II's youth rallies, they would cry when they heard him speak truth and asked why had they not heard these things before. JP II's generation is striving towards giving back to human civilization what the locust have stolen. I cry when I remember them singing,
"John Paul II, WE LOVE YOU!!"
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
Originally posted by KennyMac: Don't you think that the environmental and cultural effects play a part?
Glorification and acceptance of violence in movies, games, TV, music perhaps?
Thriving gang and gun culture?
Dissasociation with our young?
Disillusionment of our young?
Or simply because we don't hammer the ten comandments into them?
God help us yes, everyone of these, KennyMac. But I don't know of ANYBODY who's hammered the Ten Commandments. These are the values of this nation to accept or reject. If one chooses to reject they pay the consequences of violating a civil law. Civil laws are to be hinged upon moral/eternal/natural law.
Now we have civil laws that violate the Ten Commandments and believing it to be a more humanistic approach. When a law is separated from natural law humanbeings will turn on one another and fail in charity. Special rights will be awarded to some groups at the expense of other segments of people. There will never be enough rights to protect all with based upon humanism.
It's time we revisit and rethink "values" that protect families. If our families are not strong; if our families are broken, the society, state and nation fall apart. In Maine I believe I am correct in stating that more than 50% of families live without their father. It's a major tragerdy to break the family. Children suffer, and mothers have n impossible job expected to handle it all. Gangs break out - discipline is a major issue at home as well as the public class rooms - - -- and as you've named some of the end results of lack of nurturing by BOTH parents.
We have a media culture hell bent on stealing kids from good values. Rap, smut words, pornography and just alot of silly games and entertainment that steal their minds from classical readings and traditional thinking. The ploy to 'dump down' is having a disasterous effect upon our great nation.
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Posts: 6275 | Location: Maine | Registered: 31 December 2005
I can probably refute all that you say by Sacred Scripture you take out of context.
Really? All? Name those Scriptures I have taken out of context. Here are some of the things I said. The thief on the cross went to paradise with the lord. You can refute that by Sacred Scriture? Well let's see it. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but, have everlasting life. Let's see you refute that. There is no other name given under Heaven by which man can be saved. Do you disagree with that? Jesus confronted the religious leaders in his day. Matt 23:2-5 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Mose's seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men..." Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matt 23:25 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess." Also here is what Paul said about tradition in Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT AFTER CHRIST.
Matt P.
Posts: 166 | Location: Ohio | Registered: 12 January 2006
JP II's generation is striving towards giving back to human civilization what the locust have stolen. I cry when I remember them singing,
by locusts do you mean your generation GG? because if my generation (im only 28 afterall) it attempting to salvage this earth, its the locusts like bush, cheney, and self rightous catholics who are prohibiting that.
-------------- "I'm sharing with you what the Catholic Church teaches. I can probably refute all that you say by Sacred Scripture you take out of context."
and i can certainly refute every catholic mumbo jumbo you spew. and
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