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Is chivalry dead? I hope not. Men, take your rightful place and be defenders of women and children, I implore you. It is not too late, or is it?

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If you wonder why we are being overrun with illegal immigrants, why America is hated by Muslim fundamentalists, why we are losing wars with much smaller and weaker adversaries, look no further. It's all because of the feminization of the men of America that has been promoted by the NWO for decades now. The gender the politicians, Hollywood, and the media use as the ideal person has changed from someone who is a strong moral male to a weak and submissive female personality. They portray strong men as ignorant brutish bullies, . .

This is part of their agenda in the takeover of America. A 'mature' adult nowadays is seen as someone who is comfortable talking about their inner conflicts, someone who values personal relationships above goals and morality, someone who isn't afraid to cry. In other words: a mature adult is seen as a woman. This feminization process manifests itself in myriad ways. Consider child discipline. Seventy years ago, doctors agreed that the best way to discipline your child was to punish the little criminal. ("Spare the rod, spoil the child.")

Today, spanking is considered child abuse. You're supposed to talk with your kid. Spanking sends all the wrong messages, we are told, and these attitudes have brought about stupendously horrible consequences. The soaring drug use, crime , and welfare dependency are the result.

This process of femininization manifests itself, though somewhat differently, when you turn on the TV or watch a movie. Throughout the mid-twentieth century, leading men were, as a rule, infallible: think of John Wayne or Ward Cleaver. But no longer. In family comedy, the father figure has metamorphosed from the all-knowing, all-wise Ward Cleaver of Leave it to Beaver to the consistent stupidity of Homer Simpson.

Commercially successful movies now often feature women who are physically aggressive, who dominate or at least upstage the men. In today's cinema, most of the leading women are strong, and most of the leading men are pretty boys.

A transformation of comparable magnitude seems to be under way in the political arena. The feminine way of seeing the world and its problems has becoming the mainstream way. Keeping women voters happy seems to be a high priority for politicians these days, and for good reason, America is now a thoroughly feminized country. In 1992, Bill Clinton won the presidency. Clinton was a communist leaning weak female centered man, and an acknowledged draft evader. George W. Bush has caved in on virtually anything a true conservative cares about to appease the left, and was alleged to have used family influence to obtain a position in the Texas National Guard, in order to avoid service in Vietnam.

Being a feminine man and a draft dodger isn't as bad as it used to be in this new America. To find a masculine president, one has to go back to Ronald Reagan. There was a time that, no matter how flawed the individual was, the vast majority of U.S. presidents, Republican and Democrat, exuded masculinity and manliness. Those days are over. There have been fundamental changes in American culture over the past fifty years, changes that indicate a shift from a male-dominated culture to a feminine and androgynous society. The question is, what's causing this shift?

God's prophet warned that one of the marks of a nation under divine judgment is when "women rule over them." (Isa. 3:12) Today, women must be appeased and catered to. They are the heads of businesses, the heads of churches, and the heads of their homes. In politics, the women's vote is usually the one that turns the election. Women serve on military ships and in military operations. They dictate their children's upbringing (which explains why most of them grow up undisciplined and spoiled, by the way) and have the final word on virtually all family decisions. Such a phenomenon is the sign of a nation in trouble.

Men have abandoned their responsibilities of leadership, and our nation is going down the tubes because of it. In the black community, the vast majority of children are being raised without a father. The white community is not far behind. Furthermore, in those homes where fathers do exist, they are largely detached and provide no real influence. Mom is in charge, and everybody in the household knows it. It was not always this way, however.

There was a time in this nation when rugged men taught their sons the qualities of manhood. Boys grew up learning how to box, how to wrestle, how to play football, etc. Today, America's boys only know how to play girls' games. They have never had their noses bloodied or their butts bruised. "Soccer Moms" have replaced disciplinarian dads. Then again, there was a time when a man's primary interest was not in guzzling a pack of Budweiser and sitting all evening in front of the "boob tube" while ignoring virtually everyone in the house. There was a time when men took their families to church and taught their children the fundamental values of honesty and integrity. Believe it or not, there was a time in America when men took pride in being the spiritual heads of their homes. They actually knew how to balance a checkbook and how to read the Good Book. They were the kind of men that women loved and children respected.


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Funny, all these things are what the Taliban preaches is so evil about "corrupt American culture". Are you sure your extreme right-wing blogger is not a Moslem operative?


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Different planet GG. Different planet .....


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Gees....did you read the "about us" section from that link..

These people are dyed in the wool, conspiracy loving black helicopter believers... Uh Oh!


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Number of Americans killed by foreign terrorists during presidential term of:

Reagan/Bush 1.... ~ 448
Bush 2...... ~ 3,000 in USA, ~ 3,300 in Iraq
Clinton.... ~ 45
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Different planet GG. Different planet


My feet are placed squarely on the ground. I've the courage (by grace only) to speak of the need for men to take their rightful place.
Be all that you were meant to be.

I know you think I am a right-wing - - -- (fill in the blanks), but women and children need the return of the gallantry of men missing so much today.


Men and women are perfectly equal in dignity, and each have the significance of their sexuality. Sadly the genius of the male gender and of the female gender has become misconstrued.

Confuscius said, "Where woman is faithful, no evil can befall. The woman is the root and the man the tree. The tree grows only as high as the root is strong."

"Men are as tall as they are on their knees,"(quote by GG) Smiler


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Why Johnny can't read, write, jump, or run
INTERVIEW BY ALICE CARY
Do you have a son? Is there an important boy in your life?
If so, Christina Hoff Sommers has an important warning. Oddly enough, it's a lousy time to be a boy in America, she explains during a telephone interview from her home in Maryland. While girls are generally applauded and admired, she says, boys are often feared like the plague.
As she writes in the opening of The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men: "As the new millennium begins, the triumphant victory of our women's soccer team has come to symbolize the spirit of American girls. The defining event for boys is the shooting at Columbine High."
During our talk, Sommers notes the myriad programs that try to boost girls' academic and self-esteem skills, the result of feminists decrying the injustices girls have suffered in classrooms over the years. But Sommers argues that it is actually boys who now lag behind girls, not vice versa.
"In fact," she says, "the average 11th-grade boy writes like an eighth-grade girl. He's three years behind in writing and a year-and-a-half behind in reading."
Yes, she knows that boys are slightly ahead in math and science, as a rule. However, there are lots of programs to help girls (and Sommers makes a point to say she's not criticizing those programs). What angers her, though, is that similar programs to help boys are practically non-existent.
"If anything," she explains, "boys are viewed as the privileged beneficiaries of the patriarchal system, but nothing could be farther from the truth, especially with a low-achieving boy."
Many of today's educational strategies deny the types of experiences that help boys learn. "They love competition, hierarchy, and striving for excellence," Sommers says. "If we take that away, you take away all that's important for boys."
For years, feminists have pointed out the plight of under-achieving, low self-esteem girls, such as those depicted in Carol Gilligan's popular book, In a Different Voice. What's more, Sommers argues that a handful of organizations, including the American Association of University Women and the Wellesley Center for Research on Women, have added to the problem by shaping gender policy in our nation's schools. Sommers, who took academic feminists to task in her 1994 book Who Stole Feminism?, says these groups have promoted misleading and incorrect data, an assertion she probes in her book.
The War Against Boys discusses the problem in detail and offers some solutions. For starters, suggests Sommers, boys need their own watchdog group. Nothing ideological, Sommers warns, but simply people "who like boys and understand them." Members might include the YMCA, the Boy Scouts, Boys' Town, Harvard's Alvin F. Poussaint, and Michael Gurian, author of the insightful book, The Wonder of Boys.


Sommers explains that she would also like to see a "major correction in the schools of education in their offerings on gender education." She recommends a new study be required reading: "Trends in Educational Equity of Girls & Women" by the U.S. Department of Education.
"While it's very honest about the areas in which girls need help," she says, "it's the best account of how boys need help too."
Sommers hopes that when teachers across the country hear the phrase "gender equity," they will stop thinking of Carol Gilligan's ideas, and instead think of The War Against Boys, the Department of Education study, or research by Judith Kleinfeld.
Meanwhile, what can parents of boys do to help? Sommers -- a former professor of philosophy and the mother of a teenage son and an older stepson -- offers several recommendations during our chat:
"Be aware that there are many who do not like boys, who view the natural tendencies of boys to be pathological, a defect to be overcome. I don't think there are many teachers like this, but there are going to be some who have taken seriously what they have read. . . . Be prepared to be an advocate for your son and for all the little boys in the class."
"Be aware that you're going to have to make special efforts in teaching boys reading, writing, handwriting, and organization." These skills do not come to most boys as naturally as they come to most girls, Sommers explains. She adds that it's helpful to make sure teachers include stories and books that feature adventure, heroes, and action, all of which are likely to appeal to boys.
"All parents need to realize that boys can behave in all sorts of ways without being mentally unstable. There's a whole repertoire of wild, normal, little boy behavior. The standard play of little boys is rough and tumble, and women -- mothers and teachers -- have never fully understood it and liked it."
In her book she describes a stunned California mother whose son was punished for running during recess, and nearly suspended for jumping over a bench. "Sad to say," Sommers says, "normal youthful male exuberance is becoming unacceptable in more and more schools."
Sommers has had to go to bat for her own son, who once got in "big" trouble during a school field trip for jumping up and swatting a restaurant awning that the class passed on the street. The author stresses the need for gentlemanly, moral behavior, yet she believes the natural tendencies of little boys must be better understood.
Sommers ends The War Against Boys with a stirring call for action: "We have created a lot of problems, both for ourselves and for our children. Now we must resolutely set about solving them. I am confident we can do that."
"American boys, whose very masculinity turns out to be politically incorrect, badly need our support. If you are an optimist, as I am, you believe that good sense and fair play will prevail. If you are a mother of sons, as I am, you know that one of the more agreeable facts of life is that boys will be boys."
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My feet are placed squarely on the ground. I've the courage (by grace only) to speak of the need for men to take their rightful place.
Be all that you were meant to be.



Not sure what men were meant to be GG. But I am 100% certain you will tell us all Wink


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Not sure what men were meant to be GG. But I am 100% certain you will tell us all


I sort of explained that in the Abortion Thread last week. No one responded.
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Should I keep trying? Are men really interested?


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I do not have the link to the 4-year old boy in Wacko, Texas suspended for sexual abuse and harrassment by giving a teacher's aid a hug.

They have toned down the charges against the little boy; however, some feminoziist has made her point. And just exactly what is her point!!

What's her problem about not receiving a hug from a 4 year old little boy and she considers that sexual abuse!!

Am I correct that the ACLU is at it again?


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These people are dyed in the wool, conspiracy loving black helicopter believers...


have you ever been to www.AmericanDecption.com

read 'brain-washing'.

It is not for the feint hearted.


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Should I keep trying? Are men really interested?



No idea Geeg. I can't speak for all men. Personally though I get what you are saying although I don't think that 'preaching' at people works at all. Just my thoughts though. Smiler


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I don't think that 'preaching' at people works at all. Just my thoughts though.


How and why are my postings considered 'preaching'?

Is is just because I have such a different perspective and it delutes the message and rather than discuss the message it is easier to attack the messenger?

I really want to talk about the issues. I am not a sycophant, and I do not want to offend, but reason. Fisherman asked me to leave my faith out of my reasoning. That's like cutting off my right arm or committing harrycarry (sp.!!)

I'm open to correction.


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How and why are my postings considered 'preaching'?


Probably because you have previously mentioned that converting people to your beliefs is what you intend Wink

Don't ask me to find the post where you mentioned this though. I really can't be arsed to look for it. Anyway. No biggie GG. I think you are cool anyway even though we are worlds apart on just about everything Smiler


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What an insult to men...

Generations ago a man wouldn't change a diaper, didn't clean up dinner dishes, alienated women with after dinner discussion on how to create a bigger penis in the world, etc.

I want to set the record straight on what it means to be a REAL MAN ... one that isn't so insecure nor crudely manipulated by women like GG. A real man that is secure with his manhood no matter what he's wearing, how much he's paid working beside a woman or what cultural changes he's selectively accomodated to help his wife, teach his son and honor his daughter.

Great is the man that can wield both a hammer and a dish towel. It says, honey, I don't demean you by groveling beneath me with subordinate fallacies of your work versus manly work. It says, I ate, I partook of the love you put in the meal and I enjoy making time for us and our family by doing a chore that we are responsible for... it sets a good example without blaming worldly issues on your boobs and vagina.

Greater is the man that brings his wife a cup of warm milk or tea when she's nursing the infant in the night. Just because man is without lactating breast doesn't make his heart deficient in the care he may bestow his wife with honor and pride.

Greatest is the man that no matter what station of work his wife chooses from token economy outside the home to untangible guidance in the home to never submit to the moronic outcry of the anti-feminist blamming boobs and vaginas for all the ills of society.

It says more about the insecurity and judgement (once again) of blame that these women spew out of their mouths in the name of archaic days where women were considered less than second class citizens. We've left the days of penis envy or corporate penis climbing. Some of us have evolved into holistic creatures that can embrace differences without condemnation and allow gentlemen the understanding of what it is to be a women with intelligence and honor not some trifling arm charm of yesterday in heels and gurdle on bended knee worshipping her husband in hopes of his care and concern.

In truth the problem with America (assuming you mean U.S. and it's global impact) is the defeminization of many cultures that cherish and honor women, mother, wife and the place in community. Too many penis authorities in the kitchen makes no room for boobs and vaginas.

I'm a proud woman. I'm proud of my husband too because he's not a chauvanistic pig that so many out-dated philosophers agonizing over yester years declare as good ole boys we should turn back to. I'm proud that my husband has experienced a better life by stepping out of the stereotypes and the cultural discomfiture. I'm proud that he sees his son is sensitive not weak and how screwed up society can make men when they are not allowed to feel basic emotions nor have the words to articulate the connection of those emotions.

Perhaps, if GWB had the ability to play with his penis more and his guns less he'd have more endorphins and less testosterone build up. Perhaps, if GWB had a mother that didn't look and act like a man and a father that cared for his wife as a human and not an accessory he'd have better personal relations. Perhaps, if GWB understood his own wife to be more than a mother figure cleaning up his messes he'd be less likely to party so much of puking over his entire life (figuratively speaking.)

I agree there is a type of weakness of femininity in the male persona. It's these Alpha-Male wanna be men that are excused from hard work, laying their life on the line because of some preaching woman espousing their unproven importance and how they deserve entitled second, third and umpteen chances to screw up the rest of the world while still trying to prove their value, their expertise, their importance and their manhood.

The fact of the matter is he's got small hands and poor blood pressure, he's got better brothers and little minded men's dis-ease. And the feminine groupies all too quick to portray such a looser as a leader to follow should all just congregate in a harem with their legs spread and wait in line for another session of being screwed by the gutless wonder. While these women vainly attempt to bring down and back America to the realm of train gang mentality... I firmly, "just say no."

Abstinence... some feminists abstain from marrying or copulating with the chauvanist pig. It helps correct the genetic and conditioned imbalance.
 
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Nice one Trisha. Smiler


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Nice one Trisha. Smiler


You surprised me with the 'Amen' you gave to trishs's post. You are one of the posters that I believe would perceive the newly contrived demoralized dimunitive thinking of what is a person is creating alot of havoc in the world today.

The major war is the "secular war." Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hamas, and others would not be the fast growing threat today if not for secularism.

A gift given to the world is the many writings in the Catholic Church that teach us the dignity of embodiedment of personhood. Every human being born will live forever. Imagine!! The spousal, nuptial meaning of the body is to be understood as sacred, as to be honored and to be protected.

God designed masculinity and femininity for procreation (whether for fertility in spirituality and or physically). The significance of male and female is a loveliness and wonder, to be protected, to be honored.

We are each fearfully and wonderfully made.

The Catholic Church has been the emancipation of woman more than any other beliefs or socialized thinking. No other secularized thinking or even some protestant thinking has protected women more. (that's another topic)

My plea has been for men to take their rightful place. A man who humbles himself, and knows that he is more than carnal flesh or utility will protect women and children. A man who loves his life and the embodiedment of his masculinity will counteract the world's desire for the abolishment of men, protect the significance of the two genders male and female, and will strive for valor, gallantry, will strive for a correct conscience formation.

Our bodies tell us so much:

  • has a language inscribed
  • speaks on behalf of God
  • each person a gift
  • has an object order of being and goodness
  • has a spousal sense and a unitive,procreative, virginal, generative, paternal (spiritual or physical), redemptive existence.
  • in marriage essentally includes the conjugal act
  • its nature and goodness
  • reveals the meaning of being

    We have war between the sexes because many have not come into the full awareness of God who made them, male and female, and the honor and grave responsibility given.


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    Trisha - you have unknowlingly and unwillingly substantiated the point of starting this thread.

    I also began a thread on the 'war on baby girls' in the World Threats and Iraq section that has a link to this topic.

    Christina Hoff Sommers has written a book, "Who Stole Feminism? How Women Betray Other Women".

    Decadence is one of the factors that has stolen women defending women. The female Herods of the day fought for the right to kill their baby in the womb and grieviously neglected to fight for the rights of women with an unplanned pregnancy to help give her baby life. No longer will the medical profession, male or female tell their patients of the dangers and consequences of abortion and contraceptives. Every three minutes another female in the US is disagnosed with breast cancer. One of the easiest prevental ways to prevent breast cancer is abortion, and contraceptives that increase the chances of other types of cancers.

    Recently Maine doctors have approved of another method of permanent sterility for women. Once again women are targeted for a method that will not only do harm to her body but will assuredly provoke psychological consequences.

    When women war against their bodies and their unborn babies, they will war against and target anybody and anything standing in their way. A new slave class of women has been created, the single mother striving to work and raise a family. We've not come along way.

    The class of people most heavily targeted to abort are the black people foistered by the Margaret Sanger legacy and founder of Planned Baronhood. Black babies makeup the highest percentage of all abortions in the US.

    Girl babies are more often aborted than boy babies.

    It is a privilege to being a woman, and a real man will protect that privilege. I feel honored to know men who understand this.


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    College women at Risk for Psychiatric Illness at Politically Correct Campuses
    Dec. 14, 2006 - by Hilary White

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    . . Young women in college in the US and Canada suffer from an epidemic of depression, eating disorders and even self-mutilation and suicidal thoughts and behavior. Campus health professionals, steeped in the politically correct doctrines of sexual “freedom” and feminist theory, fail even to acknowledge the existence of the real cause.

    Dr. Anonymous, who chose to keep her identity secret out of fear of professional reprisal, identifies the damage done to women by the feminist ideology that proposes women are psychologically identical to men and encourages sexual promiscuity – as long as it is made “safe” with a condom.

    ....“I'm discussing a taboo topic here: the dangers of radical social agendas in my profession… Campus counselling centers are whitewashing the painful consequences of casual sex, STDs and abortion. They are promoting the notion that men and women are the same.”

    ..Dr. Anonymous writes that the psychological field is still dominated by an irrational prejudice against religious faith that she calls “Theophobia,” that thwarts efforts to relieve women’s suffering.



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    Tsunami Aid Money Used for Shari'a
    Money sent to the Indonesian province of Aceh to help tsunami survivors is now being used to enforce shari’a law. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

    WHEN people around the world sent millions of pounds to help the stricken Indonesian province of Aceh after the Boxing Day tsunami of 2004, few could have imagined that their money would end up subsidising the lashing of women in public.

    But militant Islamists have since imposed sharia law in Aceh and have cornered Indonesian government funds to organise a moral vigilante force that harasses women and stages frequent displays of humiliation and state-sanctioned violence.

    International aid workers and Indonesian women’s organisations are now expressing dismay that the flow of foreign cash for reconstruction has allowed the government to spend scarce money on a new bureaucracy and religious police to enforce puritan laws, such as the compulsory wearing of headscarves.

    Some say there are more “sharia police” than regular police on the local government payroll and that many of them are aggressive young men.

    “Who are these sharia police?” demanded Nurjannah Ismail, a lecturer at Aceh’s Ar-Raniri University. “They are men who, most of the time, are trying to send the message that their position is higher than women.”


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    We have war between the sexes because many have not come into the full awareness of God who made them, male and female, and the honor and grave responsibility given.


    I don't agree to the 'war between the sexes' stuff. There are enough contrived 'wars between'. I'm not buying any of it. We all are who we all are, male or female capable of growth in every area of our being. Fitting into a 'concept of being' by someone else isn't in my agenda. If you wish to then fine but count me out. I'll be over here being imperfect but me Smiler


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    If you wish to then fine but count me out. I'll be over here being imperfect but me

    No, No, no don't retreat. If not you than who, KennyMac? The ideologue of the gender feminists needs scrutiny. True, women needed changes in the workplace, and protection from abusive husbands. Many formidable corrections have been made, but these female warriors didn't know when to stop. They fell in love with power and control. They've changed places with abusive men.

    Not satisfied with gaining equality, they continue to make exaggerations and obscure sound reasoning in order to gain added rights over men. Check out academia for instance.

    In all this sufferings for ALL have increased. The facts support the misaligning of the roles. It has become a political agenda driven war backed up by media and Hollywood elitists. Untruths need to be exposed. Many are recognizing the lies of these female herods. I need not support this position solely on what the Catholic Church teaches. It is recognized by others also. Even the World Health Organization recently reported the millions of women not living today because of sex selection in the womb and the war against little girl babies. (I started a thread on war against baby girls and it went dead in the water.)

    The world needs sensible thinkers, KennyMac. Don’t let the gender feminists get away with any more ‘smoking guns’. These new feminist have gotten away all too long with the “women’s points of view, hijacking rights and choices”, not defending what truly is the primary importance of the human being, the significance of human sexuality. The culture war effects everybody. One can run, but they cannot hide.

    Frank, honest, forthright appraisals can expose the agenda of divisive influence. I’m amongst many who do not like what feminism has become. We all can do something; none are perfect and never will be. Just look at how inexact and ineffective I am so much of the time. Big Grin We need to make a difference right where we are at. It starts with one -you, me, and then maybe another we speak to. Cool!


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    Feminist teacher recommends that 6th graders read sexually explicit book.

    9 News InvestiGates
    Parent: Baker Middle Teacher Recommends Explicit Book to 6th Graders

    Oct 27, 2006

    It's nothing unusual for a sixth grade class to be assigned a book to read -- usually something like Huck Finn. But a book that a Baker Middle School teacher suggested for her 6th graders is raising eyebrows and tempers. WAFB's Paul Gates investigated, and found a novel filled with sexually explicit scenes -- .

    Roberta Townsend says her 6th grade, 11-year-old daughter came home from Baker Middle with the name and author of a book her social studies teacher suggested the students should read. She says her daughter related the teacher's instructions:

    "She told them the author was James Earl Hardy and that they were behind the times and they needed to get with it and if they were not reading any sexual books that they were not in the know."

    It turns out the book suggested is very sexual in nature and language. B-boy Blues was written by Hardy in 1994. In an interview shortly after the book came out, Hardy was asked about his sex scenes. He said, "You know, I wanted people to get hot reading those sex scenes."

    Townsend ordered the book to find out was in it.

    "When I got the book in my hand I was appalled," says Townsend. "I was shocked; I lost my appetite. This book is explicit sex."

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    School Superintendent Lester Klotz told WAFB 9 News he turned Ms. Townsend's complaint over to the principal at the middle school: "He met with the teacher and advised the teacher that that was not material related to the course she was assigned and therefore should not be introduced to the students as assigned literature."

    Superintendent Klotz says that teacher has assured him such an incident will not happen again. No other action was taken because the teacher did not violate any policy of the system that would require disciplinary action.

    WAFB 9 News asked Klotz, since he had not seen the book, if he would take a look: "I can see and certainly would not want that kind of literature, we would not allow that literature in our library at all. It is very inappropriate for individuals at any age as far as I'm concerned."

    Ms. Townsend remains upset. She says a teacher who believes 6th graders should be encouraged to read such material does not belong in a school system.

    "I don't want her near my kid, anybody else's kid," Townsend says. "Eleven years old, sixth grade, they're not ready."

    Ms. Townsend says she wants parents to know about this incident. We have left a message for the teacher at the school, but we've had no reply.. . .


    Reporter: Paul Gates pgates@wafb.com


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    Kenny, this was written by one of my mentors in graduate school at Pacific School of Religion. I obviously agree with the ideas presented here, all firmly grounded in Christian Theology.

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    Christians Must Challenge American Messianic Nationalism:
    A Call to the Churches
    Ruether, Rosemary Radford
    Carpenter Professor of Feminist Theology

    March 2004

    Religious language is always double edged. It is properly used as prophetic critique that calls for repentance. But it can be twisted into a self-sacralizing rhetoric that associates God with human projects of power. The United States has often fallen into this temptation to use religious language as idolatrous messianic nationalism. When this happens it is the duty of the churches to challenge such language and reveal its opposition to the authentic good news of the gospel. In 1934 the German theologians of the Confessing Church disassociated themselves from a German Christianity that identified Christianity with Aryan nationalism. I believe the Americans churches must make a similar critique of American messianic nationalism today.


    What is American messianic nationalism? This is an ideology rooted in the belief that the United States of America is uniquely an elect nation chosen by God to impose its way of life on the rest of the world by coercive economic means, and even by military force, if it deems necessary. Nations who pursue other ways of economic development than "free market capitalism" can be regarded as enemies, not only of the United States, but of God. This is particularly the case if they seek to mobilize a counter-block of nations against the global hegemony of the United States.
    The ideology that the United States is an elect nation divinely chosen to be a model and mentor to other countries has long been entertained by dominant American culture. During the Cold War the struggle against communism was typically couched as a "war against evil." The conflict between two strategies of economic development, capitalism and communism, was defined as if it were a war against demonic powers in which capitalist countries were the agents of divine goodness.


    This language has returned with new force under the administration of George W. Bush in its "war against terrorism." The language of holy war, "crusade" and the apocalyptic conflict between good and evil, God and Satan, are freely used in its war rhetoric, directed first against the Taliban in Afghanistan and then against Saddam Hussein in Iraq. These wars were depicted as if they were episodes in an apocalyptic drama of good against evil, angels of light against the forces of darkness, God's chosen people against God's enemies. This language of apocalyptic warfare assumes an U.S. mission to the rest of the nations of the world. America in general, and President Bush in particular, are depicted as messianic agents chosen by God to combat evil and to establish good; namely American hegemonic power and its economic, cultural and political "way of life" over the rest of the world.


    This messianic nationalism was expressed in its most blatant form by General William Boykin, an American military leader charged with the hunt against Osama bin Laden. In a speech to his fellow believers Boykin declared that the United States is an object of hatred by other nations because we are uniquely a "Christian nation." He went on to claim that "our spiritual enemy can only be conquered when we confront them in the name of God." (i.e. their spiritual identity is that of Satan). He said that Muslims worship an idol and not the true God. Moreover God has put George W. Bush in office as this time to carry out a world redemptive mission: "We are an army of God raised up for such a time as this."


    In other words, George W. Bush is God's elect messiah put in the White House at this time of final crisis in the conflict between God and Satan to lead God's forces of good against the forces of evil. To defeat U.S. America's enemies and put in place the American "free market" system equals defeating evil and establishing the Reign of God over the earth. Although the Pentagon distanced itself from Boykin's language, they did nothing to counteract it. This language creeps continually into official White House declarations of their identity and role. Neo-conservatives, such as Richard Perle, adopt such language, as in his recent book on "How to win the war against terrorism" which he entitled The End of Evil.


    In her recently released "New Pentagon Papers," former military intelligence officer Karen Kwiatkowski, revealed the fanatical atmosphere that had taken over Pentagon policy intelligence in the months before the Iraq war, suppressing any objective information on the Middle East. She writes, "I saw a dead philosophy - Cold War anti-communism and neo-imperialism - walking the corridors of the Pentagon. It wore the clothing of counterterrorism and spoke the language of a holy war between good and evil. The evil was recognized by the leadership to be resident mainly in the Middle East and articulated by Islamic clerics and radicals. But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans."


    This language of apocalyptic warfare and messianic nationalism is enormously dangerous at a time when the peoples of the earth are becoming increasingly divided by aggressive American power. Many see this as impoverishing the earth, disabling authentic democracy, undermining cultural diversity, destabilizing social integrity and aggravating the gap between rich and poor. The Christian churches should be involved in many kinds of alternative development to this dominant system, together with other groups, religious and secular. But the first responsibility of the Church is to rebuke the blatant misuse of its own religious language.


    I suggest that this "Americanist" messianic nationalist Christianity needs to be critically analyzed and rejected theologically. This denunciation needs to be communicated to American churches of all denominations as a call to conscience. There are four basic heresies involved in this "Americanist" Christianity. They have to do with the nature of God, the nature of the relation of God to human nations, the nature of evil and how evil is overcome or at least lessened in human affairs. I refer to these as "false theological ideas." By "false" I mean that these theological ideas are both idolatrous, pretending that the American nation is uniquely a representative of God, and also conducive to destructive violence, and hence blasphemous when attributed to the will of God.


    1. False Theological Idea One: God chooses one nation above all other nations. In Christian tradition God is a God of all nations. "In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek": (Gal 3:21). Christianity confirmed a development within universalist Judaism that God is the creator of the whole world, loves all peoples and nations equally and chooses no one nation above or to the exclusion of others.


    2. False Theological Idea Two: The United States is God's uniquely chosen nation. Since God is a God of all peoples and loves all peoples equally, God cannot be seen as choosing the United States for some unique mission over other peoples of the world. Although the concept of "election" can be seen as a way in which every person, and every cultural and national community, grapples with their responsibilities before God, this idea cannot be translated into an objective positioning of one nation over others.


    3. False Theological Idea Three: Evil is socially located in the enemies of the United States In Christian teachings all humans are created in the image of God and all have a potential for good and yet all have sinned and fall short of the will of God. Evil exists particularly in the way in which humans violate their relation to one another. To usurp power and monopolize wealth in one person's or group's hands, depriving other people of the bare means of existence, is the basis of evil on earth. To defend injustice as divinely given is blasphemy, attributing evil to the will of God.


    Every person and nation must struggle with how they have helped to construct systems of evil that are impoverishing the earth and the majority of humans and how they have blasphemously sought to defend such evil systems as good and divinely ordained. Although there is undoubtedly responsibility for evils in other peoples and nations, the United States and its citizens must grapple with evil by first asking how they are contributing to it and helping to perpetuate it.


    4. False Theological Idea Four: Evil can be conquered by external coercion, ultimately by military force. Local, national and international societies have limited rights to use coercive force in order to constrain abuse of people and the environment within their jurisdictions. The coercive role of government must include those who use power to abuse others, such as paying below living wages and allowing toxic environments that injure health. The proper role of governments is not limited to police functions of restraining outlaws, but includes the use of the sanctions of the law to encourage justice and fair treatment for all.


    But it must be clear that such coercive means, whether within or between nations, cannot be construed theologically as "overcoming evil." Evil can only be overcome by conversion, which takes place in the hearts of persons in community. Those who monopolize wealth and power to lord it over, impoverish and abuse others must be changed inwardly to recognize their evil doing. This change is a mystery of divine grace that calls us, empowers us to change and opens us to this call and transformation. Conversion means giving up unjust power and privilege, reconstructing one's relation to others, so that the means of life are justly shared. In Jesus' words to the rich ruler, "sell all that you have and distribute to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven" (Luke 18:22).


    Conversion always happens in a social context, not as isolated individuals in no relation to society. Personal conversion is extended in a struggle to change communities. Persuaded by converted mentors, communities recognize that they are using their wealth and power to abuse others and to spiritually impoverish themselves. They decide to change their ways in order to create more just and life giving social relations for all.


    Thus, for example, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can never be ended by the endless cycle of Israeli assassination of Palestinian leaders and Palestinian suicide bombers taking revenge by randomly killing Israelis. Although the international community can play a role in defining and encouraging a more just sharing of the land between Israelis and Palestinians, a real break through to a just sharing of the land can only happen as Israelis and Palestinians become converted from enmity toward each other to seeing each other as fellow human beings with whom they wish to live together as neighbors.


    Apartheid in South Africa was overcome, not by external coercion, although sanctions may have played a positive role, but ultimately when whites and blacks were converted to one another and determined that they must live together as equal fellow citizens of one national community. Although all "evil" has hardly been overcome in South Africa, the end of apartheid has lessened one aspect of the evil of racist monopolizing of political power by whites. This has laid the basis for new efforts to create a more just sharing of resources between white and blacks.


    Conversion is the only way evil is "overcome." Military violence generally worsens evil, imposing one unjust system in place of another. Non-violent coercion and social reforms may constrain social evils. But coercion never actually "overcomes" evil. This only happens when people are converted from enmity and abuse of others to love of one's neighbor as oneself


    American Christians need to come together through local, regional and national networks and church bodies to repudiate Americanist Christianity and to call on all American Christians to distance themselves from its false theological claims. Only in this way can we hope, with other Americans, to forge a new national and international policy that will lessen the evil the United States is doing in the world and the enmity that this is causing. Only in this way can Americans hope to reestablish their country as a nation among other nations that, together with other peoples of the world, might actually lessen the evils of social injustice and environmental degradation and create a beginning of a sustainable future for humanity.
     
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    Ruether, Rosemary Radford
    Carpenter Professor of Feminist Theology

    You're cementing my case. Outrageous - depth of her radical gender feminist self.


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    No, No, no don't retreat. If not you than who, KennyMac?


    Smiler I'm guessing YOU GG.

    I choose not to, for reasons I don't honestly think you'd understand.

    You could read buteos article though if you wish a flavour of it. Wink


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    I'm guessing YOU GG.


    I'm trying to find the info I have on
    Rosemary Radford. She's been known quite sometime as devisive as a militant feminist. She makes it appear that she knows scripture but uses it to attack Christianity and US Contituional freedom.

    She has not a clue that woman complements man, just as man complements woman. The genius of woman Pope John Paul II has spoken so much about she avoids like a plague. She's one dangerous lady who has sold her soul to the demoralizing of Christianity and religious freedom for all. She is a leader of women's right to abort their children. Doesn't that tell you alot about where her heart is?

    She does not speak for the majority of Americans and ignites the blame America first crowd. She actually hates Christianity, and fears what it teaches and that is that all people everywhere have a right to live in freedom.

    Consider why the US has more immigration than any other nation. Because it HATES? Of course not. Why are immigrants not gravitating towards Cuba, Venzuaela, Mexico?? We are not a perfect nation, none are, but the US has had the welcoming mat out for most who want asylum or a new begining or freedom. Now we are being overtaken and used. Our immigration policies are not enforced and crime has increased tremendously. Many immigrants want the US to change to their language, recreating their former environments. They have no respect for who and what Amercia is.

    With women like Radford who has lost commonsense of what is good and what is evil, who needs enemies.


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    You could read buteos article though if you wish a flavour of it.

    Isn't it strange that Radford delicately left out that Palestians are being paid to strap on bombs and kill Israeli people?

    Isn't it strange that she might have forgotten to mention that women are brutalized by Islamofascism and daily they are threatening to remove, to wipe out, to annihilate Israel, and then overtake the US. Strange how she has overlooked some minor details as 'infidels will be slaves or dead'. The lady is imbecilic.


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    The insightful words of GG:
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    Isn't it strange that Radford delicately left out that Palestians are being paid to strap on bombs and kill Israeli people?


    From Radford's article:
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    Thus, for example, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can never be ended by the endless cycle of Israeli assassination of Palestinian leaders and Palestinian suicide bombers taking revenge by randomly killing Israelis.


    Kenny, how you doing? I am looking to do some volunteer work in Uganda next year. Maybe I will see you there.
     
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    Kenny, how you doing? I am looking to do some volunteer work in Uganda next year. Maybe I will see you there.



    I'm fine bro. Hope you are doing well too. Smiler

    Yeah. I heard you were looking to do some voluntary stuff in Uganda. Nice one. You'll love it and yeah ... would be great if I could see you there. Wink

    GG.

    Point I'm making here is that I'm not taking up this fight because I don't see it as a fight. I am blessed to have some amazing females in my life from child to grandmother, friends and lovers, sisters and mothers and I am thankful for them all. They have my love, gratitude and deep respect. Loving them as best I can is what I'm doing. Fighting doesn't come into it.


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    From Radford's article:

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    Thus, for example, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can never be ended by the endless cycle of Israeli assassination of Palestinian leaders and Palestinian suicide bombers taking revenge by randomly killing Israelis.



    She has it backwards, buteos, Israeli people are defending their country from Palestinian attacks.


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    Point I'm making here is that I'm not taking up this fight because I don't see it as a fight. I am blessed to have some amazing females in my life from child to grandmother, friends and lovers, sisters and mothers and I am thankful for them all. They have my love, gratitude and deep respect. Loving them as best I can is what I'm doing. Fighting doesn't come into it.


    Sounds picture perfect, KennyMac. I commend you, truly. peace dove


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    Isn't it strange that Radford delicately left out that Palestians are being paid to strap on bombs and kill Israeli people?


    Those are your words, are they not?

    Radford left out no such thing in her article, you just did not read it. Then offered a lie on top of another lie, by changing the subject. I thought Catholics are suppose to tell the truth. Or do you just mimick any thing Ratzinger tells you people to do?

    I personally have no problem with your ideology nor your religious beliefs. It is a good thing to critique what you disagree with, that is what we are doing here. But it might help your position if you actually read what it is you are arguing against.
     
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    I thought Catholics are suppose to tell the truth.


    Seriously, what does Catholicism have to do with the truth? Catholics, like every other person on this planet, tell the truth as they see it.

    I wonder if any religion, any political party or any politician even knows what Truth truly means. If they do, they sure as hell won't tell anyone Wink

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    Usha, nothing as far as I know. Having come out of the tradition myself, I was taught to reflect on my life and my sins and in the confessional font - not only show contritness, but to embody it. Does anyone here suppose that is what GG is doing?

    I've been to Palestine and this Common Dream article accurately tells what is happening there. I deplore all the deaths on both sides.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1219-23.htm
     
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    Usha, nothing as far as I know. Having come out of the tradition myself, I was taught to reflect on my life and my sins and in the confessional font - not only show contritness, but to embody it. Does anyone here suppose that is what GG is doing?


    Chris I understand what you're saying, I really do. My mother's family are Catholics.

    I truly believe GG is showing people the truth as she sees it. And nothing anyone says, will even remotely make her see things in another way. Her ideas seem to in many ways contradict my ideas of womanhood, humanhood and a universal being-hood. However I've also remembered not to be offended when someone speaks their truth. Yet to remember Who I Am, despite of it. We will know our true selves in relation to something else.

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    I've been to Palestine and this Common Dream article accurately tells what is happening there. I deplore all the deaths on both sides.


    As do I. However, it will not stop, there will not be a solution in the Middle East or anywhere, unless people stop wanting to be right and start being heroes. And break free from the political and religious system that took them hostage.
     
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    ...THE COLLABORATION OF MEN AND WOMEN
    IN THE CHURCH AND IN THE WORLD


    1. The Church, expert in humanity, has a perennial interest in whatever concerns men and women. In recent times, much reflection has been given to the question of the dignity of women and to women's rights and duties in the different areas of civil society and the Church.

    Having contributed to a deeper understanding of this fundamental question, in particular through the teaching of John Paul II,1 the Church is called today to address certain
    currents of thought which are often at variance with the authentic advancement of women.

    2. Recent years have seen new approaches to women's issues. A first tendency is to emphasize strongly conditions of subordination in order to give rise to antagonism: women, in order to be themselves, must make themselves the adversaries of men. Faced with the abuse of power, the answer for women is to seek power. This process leads to opposition between men and women, in which the identity and role of one are emphasized to the disadvantage of the other, leading to harmful confusion regarding the human person, which has its most immediate and lethal effects in the structure of the family.

    ...physical difference, termed sex, is minimized, while the purely cultural element, termed gender, is emphasized to the maximum and held to be primary. The obscuring of the difference or duality of the sexes has enormous consequences on a variety of levels. This theory of the human person, intended to promote prospects for equality of women through liberation from biological determinism,....

    17. . . The witness of women's lives must be received with respect and appreciation, as revealing those values without which humanity would be closed in self-sufficiency,


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    Many women today want to destroy Western Civilization. Women's values dominate the media and primary and secondary education. Since the 50's these disgruntled femininists want freedom from "male oppressors".

    With mind boggling, factional endless disputes, these new femininists believe human nature is formed and shaped by indoctrination and coercion. They posit that male and female are blank slates at birth. Female gender wreckers have frighten many to conform to political correctness.

    Capitalism is rooted in an evil patriarchal conspiracy, and draft dodgers get more of their respect than veterans and war heros.

    It is not only fish, alligators, and panthers that have been discovered as having abnormally low male hormone levels and abnormally high female hormone levels. The male humans are experiencing a rapid decline in fertility and sperm count in mostly industrialized nations and urbanized areas.

    Fewer men than women are graduating college and more women than men are climbing the corporate ladder. Is there a correlation between men succeeding in education and employment and wildlife's imbalance of hormones and the endocrine phenomenon of declining sperm count?


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    Many women today want to destroy Western Civilization. Women's values dominate the media and primary and secondary education. Since the 50's these disgruntled femininists want freedom from "male oppressors".


    GG, are you one of those women? Smiler


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    It's even worse than GG imagines. Genetic scientists have discovered that males are going extinct.

    This is happening because of the biology of male Y chromosomes compared to female X chromosomes. Male chromosomes are isolated inside a cell and never combine with other chromosomes. At the beginning of chromosomal evolution, some 300 million years ago, there were some 1400 Y chromosomes but that number has shrunk to 75 for human males today. As these male chromosomes unwind they gradually get corrupted due to cosmic rays decaying, etc. When the strand has been corrupted there is no recovery, it is doomed to eventual extinction because it cannot repair itself by recombining with another strand.

    Males possessing the most degenerate Y chromosome have been shown to be aggressive and desperate creatures, as though they understand their own extinction and are trying to make up for it by spreading their sperm farther and wider than their rivals. Descendants of Ghengis Khan for example, show more degenerate chromosomes than males not descended from Ghengis Khan. It seems that as the Y chromosome degenerates the human race will be subject to increasing sociopathic and destructive male behavior.

    For more information read this page: Adam's Curse: A Future without Men


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    Many women today want to destroy Western Civilization. Women's values dominate the media and primary and secondary education. Since the 50's these disgruntled femininists want freedom from "male oppressors".


    GG, are you one of those women? Smiler

    No, quite the contrary. Can't you tell??

    The natural wholesomeness and goodness of masculinity and femininity is being smeared with desires to make the obvious unrecognizable.

    Male and female are significantly different and the goodness of persons is inclusive in the goodness of recognizing these marvelous differences.


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    GG, are you one of those women?

    "No, quite the contrary. Can't you tell??"


    you are one of those people in general who wish to destroy all civilization in an attempt to force your ideals onto others. you would rather the earth be destroyed than to have things run differently from how you see it.

    let me guess, are you also blaming this madeup "feminization of america" on birth control pills, just like you blamed them for female fish? get real GG. statements like the one you made above is the reason why i ignored you and will continue to do so. you NEVER have anything constructive to offer any discussions, insteading relying only on YOUR moral supremecy to deciede what is right or wrong. you offer very little , if nothing at all, intelligent to say about the actual topics at hand. so once again, you will be continued to be on my ignore list and i wont give you the time of day, as i think your posts are worthless.


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    let me guess, are you also blaming this madeup "feminization of america" on birth control pills, just like you blamed them for female fish? get real GG

    I consulted briefly with a former researcher and science professor at UMO and one who still does expeditiens to the Antartica about this environmental coverup.

    His advise to me was if they will not recognize the MANY studies that connect breast cancer to abortion, the ABC Link, and the connection of birth control to breast cancer and other cancers, give it up.

    (The research of the feminization of male fish in the Washington DC area water and in Michigan appear to be compromised; therefore, I will drop it.)


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    (The research of the feminization of male fish in the Washington DC area water and in Michigan appear to be compromised; therefore, I will drop it.)



    actually the links you supplied in regards to the mutating fish occured in california, as well as the flawed study in canada. i knew right away it was compromised and not a real scientific study. i also know that your feminization of america study is also flawed and pointless.

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    "I consulted briefly with a former researcher and science professor at UMO and one who still does expeditiens to the Antartica about this environmental coverup.

    His advise to me was if they will not recognize the MANY studies that connect breast cancer to abortion, the ABC Link, and the connection of birth control to breast cancer and other cancers, give it up. "


    ok GG, please answer me these questions then (in order to prove your point).

    1)what was the name of the researcher/professor?

    2)please supply impartial SCIENTIFIC links for the MANY studies you mention. im really curious how you are able to magically connect abortion to breast cancer. i look forward to disputing it and destroying the very fabric of these so called studies. one way or another i will be able to prove the studies flawed (unless you cant supply links to the studies, in which case you made a prefabricated lie)


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    BRING BACK DADDY

    Is that not what is behind the driving force of gang members - fathers not at home with the family? Is that a commonality with gang members - the absent dad?

    Illegitimate births continue to increase. Women and children suffer when men shirk their spousal and fatherly responsibilities.

    "Fatherless in American", by David Flankenhorn

    The current state of fatherhood is by far the more important tragerdy than profits of big business and the practice of some impurities in capitalism. Doesn't it make sense that a man is only as responsible to his professional life and he is to his family first? If he shirks his responsibility to his wife and/or mother of his children and his sons and daughters, will that same man not be reckless in corporate duties? Won't that same man disregard coworkers' and employees' dignity?

    America, the world needs more heroism, needs more heroic virtuous men.

    "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."


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    1.what was the name of the researcher/professor?

    2)please supply impartial SCIENTIFIC links for the MANY studies you mention. im really curious how you are able to magically connect abortion to breast cancer.


    I forgot about this. Are you still interested or am I on the bottom of your shoes?


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    GG, you know what? After seeing how much you glorify maleness and despise womanhood I have concluded you are a frustrated transsexual. I have seen this adaptation a lot, rather than admit they were born the wrong gender a person castigates themselves and becomes a crusader for the opposite side. Actually my mother is that way. She spent her whole life trying to prove how manly she was, and as a result her children turned out maladjusted. She would have been so much better of to be a lesbian rather than inflict her manly cruelty on her helpless children.

    Most of it boils down to the lust for power. Males are just plain more powerful, and females often equate weakness with femaleness, which is exactly what males want. It doesn't really have that much to do with sex or gender. As you obsess over male power on these boards I get the distinct impression you wish you were male. You may not know it but that is how people perceive you.


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    GG, you know what? After seeing how much you glorify maleness and despise womanhood


    Gnarlodious, I am very proud to be a woman. Since I have been studying "Theology of the Body", "Love and Responsibility", "Man and Woman He Created Them", and more, I have so much more appreciation for the distinctions, definitions, and differences of male and female.

    It is a privilege to be a woman. I'm not threatened by men taking their rightful place. Who could better understand that than a female?

    I also know and see first hand the sufferings of men who allow themselves not to be all that they were meant to be. It's not a pretty sight at all. I know the sufferering of women and children because men shirk their responsibilities and are too often just used.

    When a woman has to try to be both to their children, everybody in society suffers.

    Of course, there is not perfection just because a man and woman stay in a marriage. We've made it so easy for the man to take off and BIG DADDY government to enslave the female and her children into poverty all too often.

    I'm doing such an injustice to this topic.

    Once again and probably more than ever in my life, I marvel at the wonder, the awe and the sacrifices of the female who carries a child for 9 months, her willingness to othercenteredness and bring the man home for his own well being. Studies have proven marriage is better for one's health and over all well being, not to mention what it does for the safety and betterment of children. If the family unit is strong, it adds strength to society. Break down the family and the nation will be lost.

    I'm truly overwhelmed at how you or others perceive me.


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    I'm truly overwhelmed at how you or others perceive me.


    Yet you come back so that you can feel "overwhelmed" by other's perceptions of 'you'. Quite telling actually, since it is evident your issue isn't so much about feminization as much as it's about dominance of one sex over the other(masochism comes to mind)....


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    Yet you come back so that you can feel "overwhelmed" by other's perceptions of 'you'.


    Where is this being discussed? Yes, I'm amazed and very naive obviously. Am I to run away because of being misunderstood? It's worth the risk, stepnwlf, because I believe the topic to be a tragerdy to our nation and all civilization.

    All I can think of is the song which I have been unable to find is, "I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar!" Big Grin


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    Yet you come back so that you can feel "overwhelmed" by other's perceptions of 'you'.


    Where is this being discussed?


    Why actually you brought it up yourself...look up thread. And what is "tragic" is the need for a man to "domineer" over you as a woman. It's sad you feel you need to live in a social caste like that, but you are free to do so and there are places around the globe where some cultures would agree with you, however this is America and women are FREE to compete and work alongside other men.

    Maybe the competition with other men frightens you? Maybe competing and working with other women who wish to compete frightens you more? Whatever the reason, your insistance that women be secondary to men smacks of low-self esteem and narrowminded oppressiveness. Such a narrow perception of what you think the WHOLE WORLD should follow is extremely hard to misunderstand. Those who wish to live in oppression are usually too lazy, scared or beaten down to CHOSE for themselves.

    The "the topic to be a tragerdy";THE FEMINIZATION OF AMERICA, as you put it, is a convenient strawman especially for those who want others to earn the bacon for them. There's another descriptive word for that...


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    "tragic" is the need for a man to "domineer"


    I might have said 'tragic', but I never said 'domineer'! Why would you falsify my point?

    I'm appealing for men to be all they were meant to be by the very nature of their manhood. Now just remove all those arguments of cave man style stuff. A real man's strenth is not in the his biceps but in his sense of responsibilities towards protection of women and children. I've not touched upon 'the work place and women competing' and for that I can give you plenty. That's not my point and you are distracting from what is manliness and what is fatherhood.


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    Those who wish to live in oppression are usually too lazy, scared or beaten down to CHOSE for themselves.

    cry

    I trying to appreciate your perception of my postings in this thread. Make no mistake, stphnwlf, men and women are perfectly equal in dignity. But women have made men believe they are arbitrary or irrelevant. The wrong kind of 'strength' has been absolutized and modesty, chastity, service to family, self sacrifice are considered signs of weaknesses. Infidelities get a pass, honeymoon before the marriage, serial marriages, and Hollywood's twistedness that sex outside of marriage is very romatic and no consequences.

    Women no longer expect men to be honorable and support their subhuman behaviors. Consciences have become darkened and thwarted (we can thank PPH in their influence in public school class rooms for alot of it.)

    Women have not become more liberated!The rights and freedoms they have fought for have gone over the edge and are now in many ways a detriment. Ask a forty year old professional single female who recognizes her lack of fulfillment and greatly desires to have a child after years of thwarting her fertility. Ask her about her dissapointments in failure to conceive. It's not a pretty picture. Be ready to cry, stpnwlf.

    I appeal to men to dare to love enough to make a difference. Why have values become topsy turvy. The strength of a woman is valuable to a man, but feminine strength is not exterior accomplishments but in moral power. When a woman loves her true femininity she truly loves, and her influence is great indeed.

    Please, I did not say she wants to be bare foot and pregnant. Too often women are employed because of greed and not necessity. Let's get back to the distinct nature of manhood and womanhood and let's not cloud the definitions.


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    "Man must reconcile himself to his natural greatness...he must not forget that he is a person"

    Pope John Paul II, "Love and Responsibility" excerpts, page 1


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    I went to a computer group meeting last night here in Boulder. I was surprised that it is quite a lot different from the meeting I go to in Santa Fe. The Boulder version is headed by four men, who unfortunately do a lot of egotistical non-interactive stuff in front of the audience. They seem to think they are the stars of the show and the attendees are there for them to entertain, who happen to be mostly men. There is no interest in guests, unless thay are celebrities. To put it in the shortest descriptive terms, the meeting was boring and an exercize in self-aggrandizement.

    By contrast, the Santa Fe meeting is very interactive, with group participation in question-and-answer sessions. The main presentation allows anyone to show their cool computer projects to the audience. Guests are requested to give an introduction to themselves. In short, an interesting and informative meeting. The Santa Fe group has more women in it than men, and now I can see why. There isn't a majority of men there to scare them away. In addition, the Santa Fe men are more feminized than the Boulder men (horrors!).

    So this is a microcosm of two leadership styles. Males competing and females cooperating. For the males, communication is a one-way channel but with females, communication goes both ways. The moral of the story, I would say, is that imbalance is what ruins the experience. The balance between male and female is upset because females are so easily scared away by dominant males. This is exactly why schoolchildren learn better when the genders are separated.

    The solution to this quandary is true democracy. Where both genders are equally represented they tend to temper the extremes.


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    Sorry GG,

    but your own dishonesty is just incredible. The mental gymnastics you go through to prove your point of view is strange. It's called denial....

    You really are in no position to define what the "liberation" of women is since your view is so oppressive. Your insistence that there needs to be a role for sexes is narrow-minded and oppressive to women and men who know themselves better than you and do not subscribe to your views. When you claim to know the "Nature" of men and women and what each should be in society, you are literally lying to yourself and other people around you. If you were correct about the "Nature" of sex roles in society, we would all see in society what you deem as "natural", yet we don't. (well maybe in "Leave It To Beaver" - fiction)

    I bet you you don't consider homosexuality as being "natural" too, just as you do with the roles of heterosexual men and women in society. See GG... it is the natural progression you see in a free society....a mixed bag, a diversity if you will... if it were not such a "free society" you would see sex roles more aligned with your thinking; narrow and oppressive to those who are born with different imperitives in life.

    Just because you feel strong about your role as a women in a society you believe in, yet does NOT EXIST, does not mean others should feel the same and do as you would. What you see as being "natural" really is "forced", and a fantasy. You have it backwards, GG. I am only too glad you are sooooo wrong. Thank GOD for FREEDOM from fools such as you!


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    Your insistence that there needs to be a role for sexes is narrow-minded and oppressive to women and men who know themselves better than you and do not subscribe to your views.

    Volumes have been written to explain the goodness of masculinity and femininity and their distinctiveness. Volumes could be written in response to your post and actually being challenged is a good thing.

    This will not do justice to respond to you but let me say that the way a person conducts their life speaks louder in what they believe to be true more than what they speak or write. To the best of my ability I not just talk it but I walk it as imperfectly as that may be often times.

    Briefly to refute that you may think I intend that women are to be secondary to men is wrong. I believe that men and women are equal in dignity.

    Sacrificially my daughter received a very expensive high school education in a private school class room size on the average of 7, and received her teaching degree at a university. Unfortunately I was unable to convince my son to do the same and get out of the deplorable/steal away your kids from parents/ public schools. My daughter went back to the same private school to teach and prepared herself to replace the headmaster's position. She did not get the job, but I had alot of respect for her desire towards that achievement. As a mother and married to a man well in his own business pursuits, it would have been difficult if she had gotten the position.

    Today the fruit of her education greatly supports her husband/their enterprises. She works along side of him (not without struggles) and my son in law is totally devoted to my daughter.(That's so rewarding to me.) But Oh how I wish my grandsons had a stay at home Mum (which, BTW, I was not). They like so many children today lack good discipline that only a mother can give at a young age and later the needed father's influence will be greater. Not only quality but quantity of time is lacking. But that's another discussion.
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    I bet you you don't consider homosexuality as being "natural" too,


    I'm not going to debate this issue with you. You already know what the Catholic Church teaches and I'm not a cafeteria Catholic. We are all precious in God's eyes and I've see upfront the struggles of lesbianism and homosexuals whom I do not think either are a lesser worth than myself. None of us are without sin and I'm not casting the first stone.


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    Today is World Marriage Day and this seemed appropriate:

    "The detachment from the spousal meaning of the body brings with it a conflict with its dignity as a person: an authentic conflict of conscience." Man and Women He Created them, - - A Theology of The Body, page 286


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    Great song:

    "Thick as a Brick"

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    "She mistakenly believes she works for God..."


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    stpnwlf - Are you and AJ brothers?

    Obviously you have an aversion towards the topic, but do you know why?


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    Yes GG...my aversion to the topic is your ignorance and I just enjoy punching holes through it. What's yours again? Oh that's right, you are scared and confused of the World around you. The "Feminists" are gonna get ya, GG. They are gonna make you work for a living. LOL....

    Also, I'm afraid I am not the brother of AJ.


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    Originally posted by stepnw1f:
    Yes GG...my aversion to the topic is your ignorance and I just enjoy punching holes through it. What's yours again? Oh that's right, you are scared and confused of the World around you. The "Feminists" are gonna get ya, GG. They are gonna make you work for a living. LOL....

    Also, I'm afraid I am not the brother of AJ.


    You are poking holes you say, yet I do not notice substantiation of your position?

    BTW, I work for a living.


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    There was one Kia car ad in Canada that could an uproar and has been set to run after 9 pm.

    Women and feminists considered it demeaning to women and women cops in general.

    Come on, men are constantly portrayed as dumb and knobs in commercials, get a life.

    Here is that ad, you decide what the fuss is about: Kia ad


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    Hey, if being dumb as a doorknob is what it takes to get some action...


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    ...yet I do not notice substantiation of your position?


    and you have...substance? LOL...

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    Come on, men are constantly portrayed as dumb and knobs in commercials, get a life.


    Awwwww.... be a man and grow a thicker skin. Lol...


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    stepnwlf - Coming to your area next month


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    A better song for you, GG, than either the Helen Reddy, or the Jethro Tull song is from Divinyls, about subjugation,.... to religion? to ideology? to mythological culture or society? "I Touch Myself"
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    I love myself
    I want you to love me
    When I'm feelin' down
    I want you above me
    I search myself
    I want you to find me
    I forget myself
    I want you to remind me

    Chorus:
    I don't want anybody else
    When I think about you
    I touch myself
    I don't want anybody else
    Oh no, oh no, oh no

    You're the one who makes me happy honey
    You're the sun who makes me shine
    When you're around I'm always laughing
    I want to make you mine

    I close my eyes
    And see you before me
    Think I would die
    If you were to ignore me
    A fool could see
    Just how much I adore you
    I get down on my knees
    I'd do anything for you

    Chorus

    I love myself
    I want you to love me
    When I'm feelin' down
    I want you above me
    I search myself
    I want you to find me
    I forget myself
    I want you to remind me

    Chorus

    I want you
    I don't want anybody else
    And when I think about you
    I touch myself
    Ooh, oooh, oooooh, aaaaaah

    Chorus





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    I'm not making personal observations about you.
    You need to ask yourself why you mock me?


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    Not mocking you, you opened the door to identifying yourself with a song, Stepnwolf thought another song more fitting, I posted the one I thought more appropos, it covers obsession, submission, subjugation, if you're not obsessed with your doctrines, dogma, then I'm reading your posts wrong. I did an exercise a while back linking songs to personalities on this board, yours was the easiest. I don't care if you assign a song to me.


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    if you're not obsessed with your doctrines, dogma,


    Jesus Christ is in Whom I follow. Who is it in whom you follow, douglaslee. You bow and kneel to whom??


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    I did an exercise a while back linking songs to personalities on this board, yours was the easiest.



    I prefer this one by Louis Armstrong:

    I see trees of green........ red roses too
    I see em bloom..... for me and for you
    And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world.

    I see skies of blue..... clouds of white
    Bright blessed days....dark sacred nights
    And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world.

    The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
    Are also on the faces.....of people ..going by
    I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
    Theyre really sayin......i love you.

    I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
    Theyll learn much more.....than Ill never know
    And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world

    (instrumental break)

    The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
    Are there on the faces.....of people ..going by
    I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
    Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I ....love....you).

    I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
    *spoken*(you know their gonna learn
    A whole lot more than Ill never know)
    And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
    Yes I think to myself .......what a wonderful world.

    ++++++++++++++
    This song stirs alot of emotion.


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    it covers obsession, submission, subjugation, if you're not obsessed with your doctrines, dogma,


    You criticize what you obviously do not understand.

    quote:
    Dwight Eisenhower who said that, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed."

    When we do not defend the weakest, the sickest, our elders, and the smallest - we will not respect any and ALL human life. The blood of the holocaust of abortion has many UNacknowledged consequences.

    Wisdom is denied to those in authority who will not defend those who "cannot speak for themselves nor cannot defend themselves".

    Humanist/modernist think themselves as gods and goddesses.


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    esus Christ is in Whom I follow. Who is it in whom you follow, douglaslee. You bow and kneel to whom??
    which is exactly why this refrain was written for you
    quote:
    I don't want anybody else
    When I think about you
    I touch myself
    I don't want anybody else
    Oh no, oh no, oh no

    You're the one who makes me happy honey
    You're the sun who makes me shine
    When you're around I'm always laughing
    I want to make you mine

    I close my eyes
    And see you before me
    Think I would die
    If you were to ignore me
    A fool could see
    Just how much I adore you
    I get down on my knees
    I'd do anything for you


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    which is exactly why this refrain was written for you


    We are not only body that will one day die, but we also have a soul and a spirit that will live for all eternity either in heaven or in hell.

    Where you goin'?


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    COLLABORATION OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE CHURCH TODAY

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    As the Holy Father has written with regard to this text from Genesis, “...woman is another ‘I' in a common humanity. From the very beginning they appear as a 'unity of the two', and this signifies that the original solitude is overcome, the solitude in which man does not find ‘a helper fit for him' (Gn 2:20). Is it only a question here of a ‘helper' in activity, in ‘subduing the earth' (cf. Gn 1:28)? Certainly it is a matter of a life's companion with whom, as a wife, the man can unite himself, becoming with her ‘one flesh' and for this reason leaving ‘his father and his mother'(cf. Gn 2:24)”.6

    This vital difference is oriented toward communion and was lived in peace, expressed by their nakedness: “And the man and his wife were both naked, yet they felt no shame” (Gn 2:25). In this way, the human body, marked with the sign of masculinity or femininity, “includes right from the beginning the nuptial attribute, that is, the capacity of expressing love, that love in which the person becomes a gift and – by means of this gift – fulfils the meaning of his being and his existence”.7 Continuing his commentary on these verses of Genesis, the Holy Father writes: “In this peculiarity, the body is the expression of the spirit and is called, in the mystery of creation, to exist in the communion of persons in the image of God”.8
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    We are not only body that will one day die, but we also have a soul and a spirit that will live for all eternity either in heaven or in hell.

    Where you goin'?



    Hell redefined


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