At the very "center" of the political spectrum where left meets right you will finf the Liberal on the left and the conservative on the right. I will put forth my own impression of the distiction between these two in a different post, but for now I will reamin on the left.
The Liberal worships freedom and liberty above all other earthly things. These twin conditions for that pointed stone at the top of a great pyramid that is called "justice". For it is justice that must exist to support freedom and liberty in a crowded world. This entire pyramid is sprinkled with something called "compassion". That is a description of the worldview of a liberal insofar as the Liberal is distiguised from the left wing moonbat. When an individual supercedes justice with compassion (s)he has wanderded into the territory of the left wing moonbat. That is the place where the righties screech about maternalism, nurturing, patting on po-po and
otherwise being a mamby pamby touchy feely "liberal". And of course NONE of these characterizations are applicable to a true Liberal. The idea that people identify Ted Kennedy as a "liberal" makes me want to puke.
I am a Liberal.

Just wondering, how you would characterized the Dalai Lama - moonbat, liberal, neither? More importantly, I think, how does "justice" manifest in your own life? In other words, what concrete steps have you taken in the world to ensure its manifestation? (Or is such a concept the sole domain of the public officials you elect, in other words, does your responsibility end once you cast your vote?)

Does Environmental Justice fall under your world view (rubrick) as a legitimate area of concern, or is that another issue for "moonbats" only? What kind of car do you drive? How many hours of volunteer service do you provide for marginal populations per week, year, or decade? Would you characterize your own life as an exemplar of Justice, and if so, please offer some examples of walking the talk. You use the word "liberal" often, yet it is unclear to me what a liberal is, as distinguished from a philosophy that might be disengaged from action; in your view are action, and ideas/political views, mutually exclusive? In other words, can you provide some examples of how you put those values into action in your own life?

The way you frame this issue suggests an underlying cognitive break: in other words is everything in your liberal world view and either/or proposition? The issues, moreover, seem to reflect essentially a black/or white world view. By this I mean the application of labels to define your opponents. Is it really that simple?

Trucker

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The idea that people identify Ted Kennedy as a "liberal" makes me want to puke.

If he is not a 'liberal', than what or how do you perceive him? Do you advocate that he is a supporter of your "Jefferson" quote.

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Originally posted by buteos:
Just wondering, how you would characterized the Dalai Lama - moonbat, liberal, neither?

Trucker: Never met the dude.

More importantly, I think, how does "justice" manifest in your own life?

The Trucker:
People should be able to keep MOST of what they earn. But they should not be allowed to privatize natural resources or political power.
I am a quasi Georgist. Very interested in
http://Capititalism3.com
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In other words, what concrete steps have you taken in the world to ensure its manifestation?

The Trucker:
I do what I can. I talk to lots of people in truckstops and card rooms where typical reichtards abound. I have a web site to which I hope to be able to devote more time. I am attempting to specify an on line incorruptible polling system. I do what I have time to do after working 80 hrs per week.
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(Or is such a concept the sole domain of the public officials you elect, in other words, does your responsibility end once you cast your vote?)

The Trucker:
Bwahahahahahahah!!! My vote at present may or may not even be counted.
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Does Environmental Justice fall under your world view (rubrick) as a legitimate area of concern, or is that another issue for "moonbats" only?

The Trucker:
see http://Capitsalism3.com and http://HenryGeorge.org
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What kind of car do you drive?

Trucker: 1988 Dodge Dynasty (about 300 Miles per mo.)

How many hours of volunteer service do you provide for marginal populations per week, year, or decade?

I am providing some right here and right now.
That is, if you can climb down off that high horse long enough to taka advantage of it.
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Would you characterize your own life as an exemplar of Justice, and if so, please offer some examples of walking the talk. You use the word "liberal" often, yet it is unclear to me what a liberal is, as distinguished from a philosophy that might be disengaged from action; in your view are action, and ideas/political views, mutually exclusive? In other words, can you provide some examples of how you put those values into action in your own life?

The Trucker:
Enough of your self righteous garbage. I have told you what I am trying to do and the sorts of invetments of my time in getting them done.
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The way you frame this issue suggests an underlying cognitive break:

The Trucker:
Only to a self aerving, self righteous person
attemptiong to cast dispersions on those more capable than you seem to be.
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in other words is everything in your liberal world view and either/or proposition?

The Trucker:
I have made my position very clear. You, however, seem to see yourself as the reincarnation of Jesus.
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The issues, moreover, seem to reflect essentially a black/or white world view.

The Trucker:
You finally got something right. As I said: when you supplant justice with compassion you are a MoonBat as opposed to a Liberal. That
is a very clear black/white position.
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By this I mean the application of labels to define your opponents. Is it really that simple?

I believe that progressives nor the vast middle class are well served by left wing MoonBats referring to themselves as Liberals.

BTW: Kennedy did something Liberal today (for a change).

[quote]I do what I can. I talk to lots of people in truckstops and card rooms where typical reichtards abound. I have a web site to which I hope to be able to devote more time. I am attempting to specify an on line incorruptible polling system. I do what I have time to do after working 80 hrs per week.
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No disrespect intended Dude. I am sincerely interested in how embodied action manifests in peoples lives. From my view, when one's values are in alignment with there action, that is authentic power.

The Trucker:
Bwahahahahahahah!!! My vote at present may or may not even be counted.
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Good point. According to everyone on this site my vote has not been counted either. I voted for Nader in the last two presidential elections and before that for Third Party candidates. As far a Ted Kennedy goes, I pretty much agree that he is a hot bag of empty wind and ought to be sitting on his front porch shoting squirrels.

The Trucker:
see http://Capitsalism3.com and http://HenryGeorge.org
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What kind of car do you drive?

Trucker: 1988 Dodge Dynasty (about 300 Miles per mo.)

I am providing some right here and right now.
That is, if you can climb down off that high horse long enough to taka advantage of it.
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Thanks for the tip. Don't own a horse nor a car. I use public transport and my mountain bike. I think that is a good thing given it keeps my old ass in shape.

The Trucker:
Enough of your self righteous garbage. I have told you what I am trying to do and the sorts of invetments of my time in getting them done.
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Ok. Excuse my touching a nerve. No one is saying your not free to do or say what you want.

The Trucker:
Only to a self aerving, self righteous person
attemptiong to cast dispersions on those more capable than you seem to be.
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Thanks. In your opening missive, were you not being a tad self-serving and self-righteous? I was not the one who started a thread trying to characterize a group of people simply because they are different from your world view.

It is more than true that I make characterizations about public officials who say one thing and then do another. It is hardly self-righteous to critique public officials or other public personalities on issues of import to everyone but especially when the talk does not jive with their action.

The Trucker:
I have made my position very clear. You, however, seem to see yourself as the reincarnation of Jesus.
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Hardly. I am not even a Christian. But I do admire what Jesus taught. Wise man who walked the talk.

The Trucker:
You finally got something right. As I said: when you supplant justice with compassion you are a MoonBat as opposed to a Liberal. That
is a very clear black/white position.
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Great. I am still not clear of what either term means from your perspective.


I believe that progressives nor the vast middle class are well served by left wing MoonBats referring to themselves as Liberals.

I never referred to myself as a Liberal, nor a progressive. I do not use labels to define my values, or beliefs because I do not think either term encompasses a totality of creative thought to which I hope to achieve some day.

Don't kill yourself man with those 80 hour weeks. Life is too astonishing for that. All the best.

It is more than true that I make characterizations about public officials who say one thing and then do another. It is hardly self-righteous to critique public officials or other public personalities on issues of import to everyone but especially when the talk does not jive with their action.

The Trucker:
But other than whining about it and wishing it would change what do you do or propose that can actually be accomplished or even measured? Do you have a website or any actual evidence of anything you have ever DONE?

I have made my position very clear. You, however, seem to see yourself as the reincarnation of Jesus.
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Hardly. I am not even a Christian. But I do admire what Jesus taught. Wise man who walked the talk.

The Trucker:
snore....


As I said: when you supplant justice with compassion you are a MoonBat as opposed to a Liberal. That is a very clear black/white position.
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Great. I am still not clear of what either term means from your perspective.

The Trucker:
Then perhaps your only hope is a brain transplant.

I believe that progressives nor the vast middle class are well served by left wing MoonBats referring to themselves as Liberals.

I never referred to myself as a Liberal, nor a progressive. I do not use labels to define my values, or beliefs because I do not think either term encompasses a totality of creative thought to which I hope to achieve some day.

Trucker: You would rather weasel....

Don't kill yourself man with those 80 hour weeks. Life is too astonishing for that. All the best.[/QUOTE]