Rudeness mars peace message

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Perhaps the most disturbing scene of the afternoon, however, involved the man who pulled down his pants in front of women and children and defecated on a burning U.S. flag. This disgusting act actually elicited cheers from some members of the crowd, but we hope that the emotion it produces in the community is one of revulsion.

I can’t decide what I more pissed about. That someone in their tiny little’s minds thought this was a good idea, That these stupid F**** thought it was a good Idea to do it in Portland. That is California, Seattle or New York Bullshit. I am forth generation Portlander and know a lot people old and young, Right and left that have lives and grew up here. NO ONE I know would even consider such an act. Which leads me to believe these a oregon transplants. And not the intelligent kind. I suppose the more repulsive thing is that I can not even imagine a conservative even considering such an act for any reason. Draw your own conclusions.

I am generally a lover not a fighter, But If that took place in front of my wife and children on a downtown excusion to the flea market. Draw your own conclusions.

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Should I attribute cross burning and lynching to you? Because that's about equivalent to what your insinuating.

I know, you'll play the "imply then deny" game. But we all know why you're posting this, and I think you should be more ashamed than the people you're complaining about.

Jason,

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Should I attribute cross burning and lynching to you? Because that's about equivalent to what your insinuating.

And when was the last time we had a cross burning or a lynching? Have you seen or witnessed personally any in the USA? Yes, I am sure if it happened in Portland NOW, we would be down there with you ,Jason, to protest those acts also.

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...I think you should be more ashamed than the people you're complaining about.

No actually I think you should be ashamed to imply things in your first sentence and trying to deflect criticism of such over the top acts of depravity.

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Should I attribute cross burning and lynching to you? Because that's about equivalent to what your insinuating.

Was the last cross burning and Lynching done in your home town couple days ago?

When was the last lynching or Cross Burning?

Rest easly that my rage does infact swing both ways.

Unless of course we are talking about lynching a pedophile, then that falls into my moral gray area.

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I know, you'll play the "imply then deny" game.

Not this time.
Pretty clear subject

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But we all know why you're posting this, and I think you should be more ashamed than the people you're complaining about.

I guess that would fall into yet another thing we disagree on.

I would have at least expected a P.S. remark from you that the guy is not reflective of the liberal left. So I'll draw my own conclusions on that.

Jason, are you going to defend this?...
From the "We No Longer Question Their Patriotism"

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I would have at least expected a P.S. remark from you that the guy is not reflective of the liberal left. So I'll draw my own conclusions on that.

I only represent Jason, "left" "liberal" "progressive" or whatever are far too restrictive labels to describe me anyway. If there was a law broken, I support prosecution. If not, well, I actually support the freedom you all only give rhetorical hot air to. If Bush can wipe his ass with the Constitution, then protesters can shit on the flag. It's just a piece of cloth. Real patriotism is far more complex and difficult than flying stars and stripes and blowing hot air.

If we wanted to play this game, I'd counter with this:

Peaceful Protesters Threatened And Assaulted By Those Who Claim To Protect Their Freedom Of Speech

I can come up with a counter to every smear you attempt.

But again, we all know what this is. No longer can you justify this occupation, no longer can you even justify right wing ideology, so all you do here now is spend your time smearing the messengers. It's happening on all message boards these days, your marching orders are clear.

Grow up. And start using an independent mind.

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Perhaps the most disturbing scene of the afternoon, however, involved the man who pulled down his pants in front of women and children and defecated on a burning U.S. flag. This disgusting act actually elicited cheers from some members of the crowd, but we hope that the emotion it produces in the community is one of revulsion

Logananthor: I am sorry you and your children had to witnessed that. Foolish stunts like that accomplish noghing excpt calling attention to their own stupidity and distracting from whatever message was being conveyed. In the end, its the stunt that will be remembered and not the issue being demonstrated against.
I am use to the "Women in Black" who protest and pray silently
http://www.womeninblack.net/ Their presence stimulates allot of healthy discussion and even those who diasgree with them walk away respecting their principles.

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I only represent Jason, "left" "liberal" "progressive" or whatever are far too restrictive labels to describe me anyway.

We certainly do not want to be throwing labels around.

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If there was a law broken, I support prosecution.

Public indecent exposure Several health valuations, incitement. Unfortunately for me and you, Portland gets a fairly bad wrap with the protester peeps, So they’ll shut up follow up behind and clean up the mess. Instead of risking yet another harassment lawsuit from ****ing libtards who thrive on this sort of confrontational PR.

Because I wouldn’t have even know there was a peace down town had this story not been written. So be sure to keep an eye out for those conservative march’s with flaming crosses.

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If Bush can wipe his ass with the Constitution, then protesters can shit on the flag.

Did bush physically wipe his ass with the constitution in a public street in front of women and children to a crowd of cheering assmonkeys? or is that the rhetorical Hot Air you were just referring to.

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If we wanted to play this game, I'd counter with this:

Goly, I had no idea this was a game. BUTT threating violance does not trump shitting on a flag in the middle of downtown.

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I can come up with a counter to every smear you attempt.

And still your OK with someone shitting on a flag in the middle of busy downtown .

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But again, we all know what this is. No longer can you justify this occupation, no longer can you even justify right wing ideology, so all you do here now is spend your time searing the messengers. It's happening on all message boards these days, your marching orders are clear.

Grow up. And start using an independent mind.

Wow.. sort of taken back by your rhetorical Hot air. Well if your independent mind says it is OK to publicly shit on the flag in front of women and children to prove some ideological point, That all you then. I personally do don’t think it is alright to publicly shit on the flag in front of women and children to prove some ideological point. Obliviously he must have known he was breaking several laws in publicly shitting on the flag in front of women and children to prove some ideological point , Although very doubtful he would be prosecuted. Where do you draw the line?

Just some more things that make us different I guess, All to make the world go round.

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Logananthor: I am sorry you and your children had to witnessed that

I did not witness that. Most likely I would not be typing this had I witnessed it. I'm pissed it even happened.

I have no problem with protest in general of any sort. This is Portland most likely they're doing it in the rain. Which is even better. But he crossed whatever line in my head that say's it is over the top. Now I don’t care that there was a peace march in Portland I only care that F***** shit on a flag in my home town in front of women and children probably peacefully protesting. But as the video shows, that everyone around this F***** seemed to approve and support such actions. Leading one to conclude certain realities

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Peaceful Protesters Threatened And Assaulted By Those Who Claim To Protect Their Freedom Of Speech

Funny how there are always two sides to it. Well except for shitting on a flag in public from of women and children, i certain would love to the other side of that.

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The anti-American left, led by the usual cast of professional protesters, America-haters, communists and anarchists, planned to hold a huge anti-war protest on the Mall in Washington, D.C., and they planned to use the Vietnam Memorial Wall as their main staging area, all to take place on March 17, 2007. Well, there are a few million honorable veterans of the United States of America's armed forces, and many more patriotic civilians who took a dim view of that plan. An estimated 30,000 of these patriotic Americans gathered in Washington to meet that protest head-on, not through violence, but through a very patriotic and pro-American presence as well as creating a human barrier to any attempt to desecrate our memorials or dishonor the memories of our fallen heroes. The Gathering of Eagles DID NOT ALLOW any desecration of our war memorials to take place.

So a bunch of Vets protecting their fallen brothers from anti war desecration. Yes those bastards...

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These people clearly were not representative of the peaceful protesters or of Portlanders. Their only aim, whether it was politically motivated, paid, or just for the "fun" of it was to upset people, mar the proceedings, and to cause people to turn against each other.

If you blame anybody other than the few people who did it, then you have fallen into their trap. If you focus on their actions rather than on the fact that there are a lot of people who want peace, then you are playing into their hands.

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These people clearly were not representative of the peaceful protesters or of Portlanders.

How do you know, Your in England.

I have no doubt it was a small group, however if you listen to the video you will hear the chanting of support. meaning "it bigger then a breadbox"

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If you blame anybody other than the few people who did it, then you have fallen into their trap.

Which trap would that be? That there are people capable of crapping on the flag in a public protest in front of women and children to prove an ideological point. I guess the trap has sprung.

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If you focus on their actions rather than on the fact that there are a lot of people who want peace, then you are playing into their hands.

I have no doubt the guy crapping on the flag wants peace, I even want peace, anybody who doesn't want peace is seriously mentally ill. Protest till your hearts content, protesting does not bring peace. I have reservations against protesting, except for those bicycle terrorist that block traffic every first Friday at rush hour. But then again our mayor rides with them.

I'm even going to overlook the Burning effigies of US soldiers as over the line. That is first admendment stuff.. Even though I think they are F****** Morons. As I can under the first admendment.

Log,

You seem to be missing the very point of freedom. It doesn't exist for the people we agree with it exists for the people we disagree with.

Do I personally support indecent exposure and defecation as a form of protest? No, I do not. And I would support giving a fine for it. But I support their right to protest, and I support the idea of breaking some laws in protest (and government's right to enforce any existing laws that get broken). That's how protest works -- the protesters break a few minor laws, and sacrifice themselves by going to jail and paying fines for it. It's a tradition as old as America itself. If the law doesn't prosecute, it isn't the protesters fault. Blame the law.

Stop hiding behind women and children with your fake outrage. If you really cared about them, you'd be outraged that your tax dollars and your kids tax dollars are being used to kill and maim scores of women and children. Oh, but their skin isn't white, so they don't matter, right?

You don't care, you just want to smear a sect of people you'd rather use as a scapegoat rather than realize you've been wrong and can no longer support the merits of your politics.

It's all you've done lately. And all you righties have been getting more and more bitter, acting like Nazis to the jews, scapgoating us and projecting your anger upon us. I'm getting quite tired of it, and I'm going to start calling you all out on it. With all due respect, I expect better from you, and I have a high enough opinion of you to demand better.

What's wrong? Why can't you just politely promote the merits of your ideas?

Let's stop this childish scapegoating, let's stop looking for enemies, people to hate, and just be fellow Americans with differing ideas who can intelligently argue the merits thereof.

Geez, now you got me all worked up. I need a joint.

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You seem to be missing the very point of freedom. It doesn't exist for the people we agree with it exists for the people we disagree with.

I have NO problem with that concept. You may be missing that very point also. Or it just doesn't extend to people that think shitting on a flag in public in front of women and children is over then top.

I dont recall advocating nutting the guy. I think the question was "WTF is wrong with you people?"

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Do I personally support indecent exposure and defecation as a form of protest? No, I do not

Well there you go.... you should had opened with that.

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Stop hiding behind women and children with your fake outrage.

I wish it was.

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If you really cared about them, you'd be outraged that your tax dollars and your kids tax dollars are being used to kill and maim scores of women and children. Oh, but their skin isn't white, so they don't matter, right?

damn you whine alot.

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You don't care, you just want to smear a sect of people you'd rather use as a scapegoat rather than realize you've been wrong and can no longer support the merits of your politics.

are you paying attention or are YOU projecting?

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It's all you've done lately. And all you righties have been getting more and more bitter, acting like Nazis to the jews, scapgoating us and projecting your anger upon us. I'm getting quite tired of it, and I'm going to start calling you all out on it. With all due respect, I expect better from you, and I have a high enough opinion of you to demand better.

Can I get you some prozac? I'm not nearly as angry as the left generally is. Call me out whenever you think I'm wrong, I'm a big boy, I can take it.

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What's wrong? Why can't you just politely promote the merits of your ideas?

Exactly.... why cant they politely promote the merits of their ideas.

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Let's stop this childish scapegoating, let's stop looking for enemies, people to hate, and just be fellow Americans with differing ideas who can intelligently argue the merits thereof.

Are we even talking about the same thing?

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Geez, now you got me all worked up. I need a joint.

Pass it over

Log:
This is a pretty disgusting display, but it is only powerful if you allow it to enrage you. Your reaction is exactly what this types want.

It's difficult to ignore them, but that's really the best way to counter them.

Jason:
You're sounding kind of Angry, at least to the all new sensitive PeeWee.

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Geez, now you got me all worked up. I need a joint.

At least some people have their priorities set right.
Now if only those protesters had some instead. Then again maybe they had too much.

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You're sounding kind of Angry, at least to the all new sensitive PeeWee.

I am angry. I own it when that happens.