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Originally posted by Loganthor:
Like that WTO confrence meeting a couple years ago wasn't a gift from heaven for seattle's glass industry. Dont be blaming us for your over coffee'd crazy people, I sure they were bused down here for the event.

Troublemakin, '63 VW microbus drivin, dreadlock wearin, scraggly beard growing, bispeckled, tie dye garmented, birkenstalk clad, damned Oregonians.
I asked the cops if I could assist with the shooting of the dirtbags with rubber bullets, but they said that may lead to too many head shots. Damn.
Window breaking vandals that burn dumpsters in the street and generally make a mess need dispatching from my fair city like a dog with rabies.

I'll wave when I drive through next week BTW.

PeeWee, yes, I have always had the impression that this is an adult forum. Now that it being transformed into a "Premium" site then it is more likely to be in that direction.

I believe that we have seen enough adult content pictures to at least get a hard R rating.

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Window breaking vandals that burn dumpsters in the street and generally make a mess need dispatching from my fair city like a dog with rabies.

Ever heard the term agents provocateurs?

All too frequently, peaceful protesters are infiltrated by FBI, CIA, and city undercovers who instigate illegal behavior, often by committing it themselves, especially getting in staged tangles with their uniformed brethren, in hopes of drawing in real protesters out of "solidarity".

Google COINTELPRO and stop being so ignorant. That goes for you, too, peaceful protesters: don't be fooled and lured into illegal and low-brow activity. Don't let them take you in (pun intended)

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Troublemakin, '63 VW microbus drivin, dreadlock wearin, scraggly beard growing, bispeckled, tie dye garmented, birkenstalk clad, damned Oregonians.

You had me going right up to Oregonian, I was sure they were Washingtonians. But your claiming the Washingtonians are that bad, then it MUST be the Californians causing all the problems. They are much more prone to rioting for no good cause then just about any another state in the Union. So if your comfortable with that. We'll blame the Californian for causing everyone's problems.

I doubt your get much of a fight from anyone on that. Even if they do live in California.

Ask any good Washintonian about Califonians.

They can't drive.
They buy up too much property and want to build condos.
They bitch about the rain.
There are far too many of them.

I pick on Oregonians because they are primarily tree sittin Bagwahn worshippers. Sorry, but you guys earned that fame on yer own!

The silly response about "agents provocateurs" is beyond a conspiricy theory. It's a goofy theory.
Those chucklehead vandals couldn't hold a job if their life depended on it. That is one reason I refuse to believe they were from this state. No one here is that stupid.....they gotta be from Portland or ....Pluto.

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Ask any good Washintonian about Califonians.

They can't drive.
They buy up too much property and want to build condos.
They bitch about the rain.
There are far too many of them.

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I pick on Oregonians because they are primarily tree sittin Bagwahn worshippers. Sorry, but you guys earned that fame on yer own!

I'll give you that one. We even have more convicted terrorist then anywhere in the country. Terrorist love Nike and Columbia Sports Wear.

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The silly response about "agents provocateurs" is beyond a conspiricy theory. It's a goofy theory.

When I saw the video, I was thinking to myself he looks like a CIA agent.

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a conspiricy theory

That's conspiracy, from con- "with", and spirare, "to breath"

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you guys are cracking me up. How am I associating the entire progressive movement to the actions of the few. I am not even associating the the entire protester movement to the actions of the few. I asking WTF is wrong with the few.

By giving the discussion the title "WTF is wrong with you people??????", you are clearly associating the members of Thom's board with such behaviour. If you don't mean to be inflammatory, please take more care not to be. And if you intend to be, please don't. There are far too many inportant issues facing us all as it is.

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you are clearly associating the members of Thom's board with such behaviour.

If I am, there are currently 13257 memebers on this board. If any of those find this behavior acceptable, justifiable or prehaps something they may themselves wish to engage in. then that is the YOU I refer. If you are not one of the listed and do in fact find this type of protesting to, for lack of a better word, disgusting. Please do not Infer I am referring to YOU.

Better?

Please do not pick on me TOO much? there inflamatory stuff everywhere on this board. But you are the boss lady, I bow to your wisdom

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No. There are lots of women around here, but I'm a feminist... I think they should have to put up with the same offensive stuff us men do.

I agree. I was just challenging Log form his perspective of wanting to protect woman and children from offensive content -- but clearly exposing them to it here (women anyway).

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As for the kids, that's a diffent story. Honestly, how many kids do you think are here?

Probably none. But many of us here have kids, and we spend a good amount of time on the board. My son is frequently looking over my shoulder wondering why I'm so passionately typing while turning red!

But he's 15, and can teach us all a lesson in offensive content! That's public schools and hip hop for ya!

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School vouchers works for me for a nice trial run.

I assume you for them? where I am against them?

I'll start a new thread. We'll start with vouchers, but let it evolve into other subjects.

I think it would be interesting to invite others to join in supporting the opposite of what they'd normally do.

Look for the thread!

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Please do not Infer I am referring to YOU.

There's a really simple solution: change the thread title by eliminating the word YOU. Then it would read

WTF is wrong with people?

or you could substitute THOSE or THEM for YOU and it would read

WTF is wrong with them people?

And then no one here would interpret it personally, and all of US could talk about what a loser that guy was.

Another thing I don't understand, but don't really want to, is how come if he was taking a poop on a burning flag he didn't burn his butt?

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Please do not Infer I am referring to YOU.

If imply then deny. Then we'll infer 'till you defer.

Jason, you people just don't know when to quit.

Good points, Lisa

Maybe I am totally out of the loop. When I think of the Pacific North West, I think of fresh berries, local wines and wild caught salmon. Protests are king of on the back burner. I have heard some nasty stuff about the Seattle Anarchists. Are they still around. And it was other progressives, not conservatives who can't stand them.

James Leo,

The Seattle protests seemed extreme to me when I read about them at the time, but the more I learn about free trade agreements, the message the protesters were trying to convey is the message of our children's future.

I don't have a clear view of all "progressives" or "conservatives" for that matter, and I don't think it much matters who the protestor is by someone's caricature, but what message that protestor is trying to convey.

James Leo,

The Seattle protests seemed extreme to me when I read about them at the time, but the more I learn about free trade agreements, the message the protesters were trying to convey is the message of our children's future.
Kate: I am opposed to the NAFTA agreements as anyone. So is one of my musical heroes Billy Bragg:
www.billybragg.co.uk
But trashing McDonalds or harassing minimum wage employees accomplishes nothing! We need to organize and build up a consenus There are folks like Senator Bernie Saunders of Vermont who are trying to call attention to the fallacies of NAFTA. The agreement has never been evaluated. Its total impact never objectively studied. But violence and stupid publicity stunts that call attention to themselves call attention to nothing!

Okay, James. So, in the spirit of this thread, perhaps the conversation needs to focus on the message and "appropriate" forms of protest to convey that message. And, it's difficult to evaluate what is "appropriate", without the comparison point to some extreme behavior. However, the trouble with such an analysis, as illustrated in this thread, is the flies (the rabble, the informed public, the people who think like you, the people who think like "you people", the people who think in terms of "you people", etc. and so forth) get all focused on the reiteration of the same isolated incident, to miss talking about the point of the protest in the first place.

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But trashing McDonalds or harassing minimum wage employees accomplishes nothing!

I beg to differ. I'm opposed to using violence. I wouldn't have and will not engage in it as a form of protest.

But in the context of that one, it worked. Remember, at the time it happened America was drinking the Free Trade Kool-aide. That event first compelled us to question it. We talked about it because of that event. Protest is often less about sticking it to the Man, and more about advertising. Shock value is what advertises the best.

Now, I personally believe that a more creative and peaceful plan could have had the same impact -- but I wasn't involved. At least they did something while I was drinking my expensive glass of wine.

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There's a really simple solution: change the thread title by eliminating the word YOU. Then it would read

While a good Idea, I am not a big fan of changing thread titles. I've my bed, I must lay in it.

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Another thing I don't understand, but don't really want to, is how come if he was taking a poop on a burning flag he didn't burn his butt?

I wondered that very thing. Plus it would seem counter productive to the Burning part of the flag.

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And then no one here would interpret it personally, and all of US could talk about what a loser that guy was.

Yes he is a loser, Took Jason awhile to come around to saying that, could have been my inflammatory thread title, But read the Portland tribune Talkback section is it was interesting to see the two sides battle it out. Those who were obviously disgusted by it, (mostly military) and then those who defended the action as a form of protest.

Rarely did you see a Bush hater/Antiwar protester claim the guy was a complete loser and not reflective of the protest movement. Even had people going as far as saying he was a Bush operative.

Kate: Think of it this way: We have this entire thread (two pages long and growing) discussing what this individual did. In the entire two pages, little attention has been devoted to the war, NAFTA, Injustice, Fair Trade etc; just this tasteless incident. Does this convey my point.
Ghandi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. spent allot of time on this issue. I have no quotes off the top of my head to post. But, I will. Please think about it.