Journalists dole out cash to politicians

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Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

What's your point Loganthor? A whole boatload of people turned during the last elections, Republicans made their bed and now must lie in it. Individual journalists are free to support whatever causes they want; their bosses, the guys who own the shows, the channels, the papers and magazines lean more right than anything.

Conservatives, for the past few years, periodically try this "media bias" outrage/slant "OMG they're a bunch of libs, they're gonna present the wrong truth, watch out people, they will warp your mind!". Apparently propaganda is acceptable if it comes from Faux News or the White House? People need to be intelligent consumers of the "news" just like anything else. Journalist may have a liberal bias, they are humans afterall; but the "media" does not have a liberal bias.... it's bias is pure green, the color of money.

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What's your point Loganthor?

Why do I always have to have a point? Lots of people cut paste without comment. It is a slow news day.

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There's a longstanding tradition that journalists don't cheer in the press box. They have opinions, like anyone else, but they are expected to keep those opinions out of their work. Because appearing to be fair is part of being fair, most mainstream news organizations discourage marching for causes, displaying political bumper stickers or giving cash to candidates.

wouldn't you agree?

Lisa,

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A whole boatload of people turned during the last elections, Republicans made their bed and now must lie in it. Individual journalists are free to support whatever causes they want; their bosses, the guys who own the shows, the channels, the papers and magazines lean more right than anything.

Do you have any proof that a "whole boatload of people turned"? Yes many voted for Dems this time, but was it a turn or did independents simply switch the lever the other way?

Do you have proof that the "bosses" and "owners" lean more to the right?

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Journalist may have a liberal bias, they are humans afterall; but the "media" does not have a liberal bias.... it's bias is pure green, the color of money.

So you think Journalist do their craft simply for money? You don't think there is a strong desire for fame or celebrity status that runs through journalism?

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Journalist may have a liberal bias, they are humans afterall

I didn't see that before, Did Lisa just imply Conservatives were inhuman? Say it is not so.

It's not that you have to have a point, it's that you already do have a point that for some reason you are not coming right out and stating it. Coy, and not like you at all.

It's not a matter of me agreeing or disagreeing; it is what it is. People, even journalist, priests, rabbi's, teachers, etc... are free to have their personal views, and that's OK with me provided they aren't breaking any laws. Individual journalists working for media outlets aren't given free reign on what is or is not reported anymore. Consumers must be responsible for their own choices. Personal responsibility and all that jazz.

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Apparently propaganda is acceptable if it comes from Faux News or the White House?

Is this your bias showing through Lisa?

The last elections prove that a whole lot of people turned away from the Republican party, whether they were Independents, Republicans or Democrats doesn't matter. They turned away from a failed/failing policy.

The question isn't what motivates individual journalists. News media, especially the big names, are all about ratings. Ratings are all about money. It's very simple. Infotainment sells.

I realize Fox news drives the liberal media and liberal leaners to foam at the mouth, but I keep hearing how they report propaganda.

Anyone care to show some of this?

I watch some Fox news stuff along with several other programs, and they all show simular "news".
I was watching a bit of Kieth Olbermen last night and he was ranting about Bill O'reily. It was pretty boring listening to him attempt to discredit his rival talking head. Lame really.

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Did Lisa just imply Conservatives were inhuman?

Loganthor, the correct verbiage is "infer"; as in "did Lisa just infer that Conservatives were inhuman". The answer of course is: no, Lisa stated that journalist were humans. Whatever you wish to read into that is on you.

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Is this your bias showing through Lisa?

Yes Ronald, obviously I do not consider Fox News or the White House to be unbiased sources. However, since I don't expect it from them, I'm rarely disappointed. Although, I am surprised that Loganthor recently inferred it was A-OK with him that the administration manipulate scientific reports or suppress scientific discoveries in order to boost their particular agenda and yet he's peeved about supposed media bias amongst individual journalists.

Well, for what it's worth, I don't expect to get an unbiased report from Olberman either. But the fact that Olberman is preceded by Chris Matthews Hrdball and followed by Scarborough Country, the overall "media bias" is far from liberal.

And Slab.
Strangely Keith finds that Bill is consistently the "Worst Person in the World". Above a person that disconnects another patients life support system.

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It's not that you have to have a point, it's that you already do have a point that for some reason you are not coming right out and stating it. Coy, and not like you at all.

As I said, slow news day, they story wasn't a huge shock that needed fiery rhetoric, it only reinforced what I already suspected. I did enjoy the point it made about fairness and the appearance of fairness.

Some Might consider me a loon. (i know, big shock) But not even I take the time and energy to part with my hard earned money to give to a politician. In my view, that puts them slight further out on the spectrum then I.

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Loganthor, the correct verbiage is "infer"; as in "did Lisa just infer that Conservatives were inhuman". The answer of course is: no, Lisa stated that journalist were humans. Whatever you wish to read into that is on you.

Thanks, On multiple levels

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But not even I take the time and energy to part with my hard earned money to give to a politician.

Well, they are gonna get their money some way or another, and it does affect you in how that happens.

Personally, I'd rather that politicians were strictly limited to receiving money directly from the electorate, as in the voting public. No lobbyists, no corporate sponsors. In that way they might remember who it is that hired them.

Notice that the presidential candidates haven't touched the issue of publicly financed campaigns. Methinks they don't want to get the special interest money off their backs?

Lisa, I don't watch Fox News (don't get it). But honestly, no matter who is in the White House, I would rather get their message directly rather than be filtered by the Media.
I erased an earlier post that talked about the advantages of places like CSPAN. I can see Kennedy bloviating.

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Well, for what it's worth, I don't expect to get an unbiased report from Olberman either. But the fact that Olberman is preceded by Chris Matthews Hrdball and followed by Scarborough Country, the overall "media bias" is far from liberal.

Actually this supports what we say, because if MSNBC is to the right of CNN and it still has a Keith and Chris Matthews is a liberal. He has admitted it already. Anyway I can't stand his interview process. He asks three questions before getting one answer back. And then hogs the time in his diatribes but allows little time for the guests to answer in a complete manner. It is especially bad when he has more than one guest and tries to get them to compete for air time.

Scarborough Country may be from a Republican but he has not hesitated to dogpile on the President. And coming off Keith he placates to whatever stuff Keith has dreamed up-including his X number of days since Mission Accomplished.

I would not call Chris Matthews a "liberal", but then again I'm not as concerned about that as y'all seem to be. C-span is good, unfiltered play... but not a good choice for everyone as it's not always "stimulating". There is probably some bias everywhere, so that's why I think that people must be intelligent consumers. Get "news" from a variety of sources. If you only tune in to one place, you are probably being fed Pablum.

Yes, Lisa. I think we can agree on a lot of what you said.
I still wonder about your use of Faux News. When we label something like that we no longer have to think for ourselves. I think that many organizations are just as biased and propagandize more than Fox like Pacifica, Air America and Democracy Now, but I fail to see a reason to give them cute names.

Maybe you see Chris as not liberal but I surely do not see him as conservative as he has even implied.

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Originally posted by LisaP:

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Did Lisa just imply Conservatives were inhuman?

Loganthor, the correct verbiage is "infer"; as in "did Lisa just infer that Conservatives were inhuman". The answer of course is: no, Lisa stated that journalist were humans. Whatever you wish to read into that is on you.

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Is this your bias showing through Lisa?

Yes Ronald, obviously I do not consider Fox News or the White House to be unbiased sources. However, since I don't expect it from them, I'm rarely disappointed. Although, I am surprised that Loganthor recently inferred it was A-OK with him that the administration manipulate scientific reports or suppress scientific discoveries in order to boost their particular agenda and yet he's peeved about supposed media bias amongst individual journalists.

We're gonna get into a grammatical debate here...

Oops, that's not quite it Lisa. The writer/speaker implies, and the reader/listener then infers. Log was jokingly saying that he "inferred" that you "implied" that conservatives are not human. But who really cares here.

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Originally posted by LisaP:

Loganthor, the correct verbiage is "infer"; as in "did Lisa just infer that Conservatives were inhuman".

HAAAA!!!!!!!


Loganthor........OWNED!

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Originally posted by Ronald Rutherford:
And Slab.
Strangely Keith finds that Bill is consistently the "Worst Person in the World". Above a person that disconnects another patients life support system.

Olberman does that and exposes his pettyness.
His jealousy of O'reilly and the need to slam him works in reverse.

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Originally posted by Loganthor:
Journalists dole out cash to politicians

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Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

Big Money vs. Grassroots: The fight for the Heart of the Democratic Party here

"In fact, there are ominous signs that a Democratic Congress would cause another song to start ringing in American's ears: The Who's 'Won't Get Fooled Again,' with its harrowing line: 'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.'"

"Many working class swing voters are still suspicious of a Democratic Party that promised not to sell them out, and then supported President Clinton's alliance with big business to pass economically destabilizing 'free trade' deals. But that doesn't seem to matter to the beltways Democratic elites."


What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream here

"You look at the media, or at any institution you want to understand. You ask questions about its internal institutional structure. You want to know something about their setting in the broader society. How they relate to other systems of power and authority?"

"The elite media set a framework within which others operate."

"Well, one, because the press is owned by wealthy people who only want certain things to reach the public. The other thing he says is that when you go through the elite education system, when you go through the proper schools in Oxford, you learn there are certain things it's not proper to say and there are certain thoughts that are not proper to have."


**It's not too surprising that people who spend alot of their work time 'informing' themselves favor the lesser evil of the two major political parties. But that doesn't negate the fact that big-money sets the agenda of the huge media conglomerates.

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