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Air America Radio Cruise, February 23 - March 1, 2008.

I heard this advertised during Friday's show. As well as Thom, speakers include Jon Elliott, Mark Green, Richard Greene, Paul Krugman, Lionel, Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, and Cenk Uygur.

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Sue N.

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Gnarlodious

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Sounds expensive.

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Sounds expensive.

Cruises can be a pretty good bang for the buck.
The California to Cabo to PV is a great cruise.
I suggest springing for a deck stateroom at least. About $1,000 per person.
If you can swing a suite, even better.
The budget staterooms make you wish you'd spent the extra money.

The week before this event, I'll be in SoCal at Catalina Island. I'll wave to you guys as you drift by.

Sue, are you going?

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Sawdust

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I have two questions. How much is the cruise and do you have to wear Birkenstocks?

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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--Kate

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I have two questions. How much is the cruise... ?

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plus air fare and San Diego Hampton Inn before and after the cruise.

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and do you have to wear Birkenstocks?

Only at ports of call in Mexico. You must wear leather boat shoes in San Diego.

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Ender Wiggin

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Cruise with Thom

A Thom-cruise.

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meljomur

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Okay, I can't believe I am the only one here that feels that cruise ships are horrible, unnecessary polluters.

I know California and Washington state have pretty strict laws for the waste disposal from the ships, when they dock in their ports. However I am curious as to if these same principles are enacted in Mexico?

Sue, you are pretty knowledgeable about the environment, what is your take on cruise ships and how much they pollute?

"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!

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A Thom-cruise.

No, I'm not going.

I've not really come across cruises in my environmental studies. I know that transporting goods by sea is generally considered better than by air. Obviusly cruise ships can be bad polluters, but you have to compare their per capita pollution with the per capita pollution that people would be creating if they stayed at home or did something else. I don't like the idea of any ships in environmentally sensitive areas.

The home page tells you how passengers can offset their carbon emissions. There is also a lengthy FAQ about the environment.

Sue N.

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Loki

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Obviusly cruise ships can be bad polluters, but you have to compare their per capita pollution with the per capita pollution that people would be creating if they stayed at home or did something else.

Sue, from you OWN source:

Offsetting your carbon footprint takes decades

There's no excuse for this, none. And there's no excuse for the autor of The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight to participate in this. What happened? Did he 'move on', or something?

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PeeWee Returns

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Okay, I can't believe I am the only one here that feels that cruise ships are horrible, unnecessary polluters.

Nope:
How about black soot from diesel engines
and offshore raw sewage dumping.

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I'd go if they have daily clay pidgeon shooting off the back.
Those were the good 'ol days.

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misterfact@yahoo.com

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Having worked on a few PRINCESS cruise ships as a musician, let me tell you what I saw (and smelled) on their ships:

1. Smell of sewer gas every 3 or four days throughout the ship- due to poor maintainance (cleaning) of the drain system (showers, toilets, sinks..)

2. Combustables (lint, paper, etc.) behind the washers and dryers in the laundry rooms (passenger and crew)

3. NO DRAIN in the laundry rooms. Poor maintainace of water hoses in washers resulted in 5" on water flooding laundry rooms on two occassions!

4. loose wood deckboards on upper exposed decks. Poor, cheap caulking of deck drains.

5. Overflowing toilets. No plungers in crew and passenger toilets. (I guess they thought it was too great an expense and that passengers would steal them off the ship!!!)

6. Food generally had no flavor. Every morning all you would see outside of passenger doors in the mornings in the hallways was FULL plates of food from food service the previous night.

BEFORE GETTING ON, OR BOOKING ANY CRUISE SHIP-ASK TO INSPECT THE CREW QUARTERS !

A ship is no more sanitary or safe than the conditions found in the CREW QUARTERS!

misterfact@yahoo.com

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I have to admit, cruises have never appealed to me. I was even offered a free one earlier this year and turned it down. I can only point at information in the public domain; I can't speak for Thom.

As for carbon offsetting, true it takes time for the trees to grow - but what if a scheme is buying up mature forests so they won't be chopped down? I'd want to know more about a scheme before judging it.

Sue N.

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ChrisDeGetmon

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Nice to see Hartmann and all the so called progressives are walking their talk.

Note paragraph five identifying Holland Cruise lines among others who are the most egregious.

That is the trouble with celebrity and power, after a while, everything becomes a compromise.

Wake up!

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That's from 2001. What has happened since?

Sue N.

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--Kate

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Morning, Sue-

I found this, from earlier this year:

Common Dreams - May 2007

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/rén

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Ships are designed so that they can discharge their effluents into the sea. What are the possible solutions to such an endless possibility, open to the arbitrary decisions of the captain of a ship, who is traditionally considered to have the powers of a king over his little kingdom at sea?

The assumption has always been that the sea can consume our wastes.

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polycarp

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Ships are designed so that they can discharge their effluents into the sea. What are the possible solutions to such an endless possibility, open to the arbitrary decisions of the captain of a ship, who is traditionally considered to have the powers of a king over his little kingdom at sea?

The assumption has always been that the sea can consume our wastes.

Well, I guess the oceans are expected to consume a lot of our wastes.

"A vast swath of the Pacific, twice the size of Texas, is full of a plastic stew that is entering the food chain. Scientists say these toxins are causing obesity, infertility...and worse."
http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/health-fitnes...astic_are_we_2.shtml

I can't afford a ship cruise to anywhere. I can barely afford an auto cruise to the supermarket. If the dollar keeps plunging, I'll be taking a walking cruise to the supermarket.

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ChrisDeGetmon

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Hey, guys, she is not interested in truth; her purpose here is to act as head body gurad for Hartmann.

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--Kate

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C'mon Chris. It was an honest question, and drew some honest answers.

Who knew that a pleasure cruise to Mexico would reap such rewards.

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Loki

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That's from 2001. What has happened since?

Oh, well that's easy: since then, they found a way for cruise ships to be environment friendly.

As I said:

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There's no excuse for this, none. And there's no excuse for the autor of The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight to participate in this. What happened? Did he 'move on', or something?

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If the environmental claims made on the cruise site are not true, or the steps they make are insufficient, then I'm sorry Air America chose to offer a cruise and that Thom is going along. But it is his choice. We all make compromises all the time. I don't expect him to be perfect or to never compromise; he is a human, and one who has done a great deal of good in his life, IMO. Beating him up is not going to help him to do more good.

Sue N.

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Hand wringers expect Thom to skip a cruise down Mexico way because they don't like ships?
Maybe Thom doesn't choose to live like a rabbit hiding in the bushes.

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ChrisDeGetmon

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We all make compromises all the time. I don't expect him to be perfect or to never compromise; he is a human, and one who has done a great deal of good in his life, IMO. Beating him up is not going to help him to do more good.

Yes, I can see Hartmann makes compromises all the time and this is especially true in his political ideology. Shilling Edwards campaign is one of those necessary compromises you are referring to. The interesting juxtaposition is that while he does so, he is also bashing corporations along with Rupert Murdock on a recent show; all the while neglecting a significant fact: i.e., that Edwards accepted 800,000 from a company owned by Murdock for a book deal. The issue is not perfection but integrity. If you had any, you might understand what I am talking about.

Carry on with your bullshit.

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I'll go on the cruise IF they let me drive the boat.

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Loki

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The issue is not perfection but integrity. If you had any, you might understand what I am talking about.

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Listen to Thom riff on Thomas Jefferson and slavery on Tuesday's show, or read the section "Myth: 'The Founders wrote slavery into the Constitution' in "What Would Jefferson Do?", Chapter 5. Have you given up your slaves? "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone". John 8:7.

Sue N.

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Loki

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