On the 24 August show, Tim in Arizona asked why, since corporations are persons, they don't register for the draft when they are 18. Thom said,

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Things like that, and can corporations get married? And well, yes, actually they can, as a corporate merger. Well, can they have polygamous marriages? Can they have multiple partners? Apparently yes... That and a whole variety of things point out the absolute absurdity of corporate personhood. You know, a corporation can live forever, but it's a person? Come on, gimme a break! Corporations can own other corporations? I thought slavery was illegal. I thought persons can't own persons.

Can you think of any other interesting diifferences between persons and corporations?

Certainly, they can't vote or shower...

There doesn't seem to be a limit on their size, either. And they don't pay estate tax.

This was a disgusting blog. Then, I recalled how during pregnancy, baby stocks can split two for one, from the market!! That is, if you're lucky enough to hold a valid certificate...(I couldn't resist the investment)

You'd think that with Texas being so keen on the death penalty, they would be applying it to corporations too.

As if it couldn't get any more gruesome...
Aged corporations are roughtly shackled. They are publically degraded, and called names and people propose prices for detached parts, like heads, but not uniformly! Then, under extreme torture, these 'cadavers' are rendered unconscious! A hooded Bush appointed judge chops them up, like a surgeon into morsels, and they are fancied and purchased piece by piece and people...become consumers!! Bush Corporations' corporus parts will typically be sold for inflationary prices at private auctions. This stems from a Powerful Respect for the Bush Crime Family. I am a neck man. STOP.

When Bell was broken up into baby Bells, didn't they thrive? Wouldn't it be great if we could do that as humans?

SueN. Yes, the breakup of the Baby Bells was a political stunt, actally designed to fail some, within parameters. Now its very confusing! And No. I've seen 'Frankenstein, the Movie'. And the best part is that Mel Brooks makes it very, very funny. Character, scene, and plot! What part do you like?

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Originally posted by Sue N:
There doesn't seem to be a limit on their size, either. And they don't pay estate tax.

What are you saying there is a law that says humans can't be what ever size they want. I mean if you want to be so big that they need to use a forklift to the Hospital then I say size does not seem to be a limiting factor.

Since they do not inherit any estates then why would they pay. Of course non-profits do not pay the taxes, so I guess you are directing it at non-profits.

But seriously these discussions of personification of inanimate objects by Thom is nothing more than a fetish by him.

Rutherford, if you grow so large you can cover most of the "civilized world", I don't think a fork lift will be of any use to get you into a hospital.

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Hi Goodbusines. I've not seen the movie.

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What are you saying there is a law that says humans can't be what ever size they want. I mean if you want to be so big that they need to use a forklift to the Hospital then I say size does not seem to be a limiting factor.

There are natural laws limiting our size.

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Since they do not inherit any estates then why would they pay. Of course non-profits do not pay the taxes, so I guess you are directing it at non-profits.

What happens when a company is wound up? If corporations are persons, then they ought to "die" and estate tax should be paid.

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But seriously these discussions of personification of inanimate objects by Thom is nothing more than a fetish by him.

Thom is pointing out that the courts have, amazingly, rules that corporations are persons, and just how ridiculous this is, particularly since they claim personhood when it benefits them and deny it when it doesn't.

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There are natural laws limiting our size.

Maybe, but there seems to be natural laws limiting corporations also.

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What happens when a company is wound up? If corporations are persons, then they ought to "die" and estate tax should be paid.

Wound up? I still need my toothpaste. And luckily we do not believe in euthanasia. So why should they be subjected to worse than human conditions?

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Thom is pointing out that the courts have, amazingly, rules that corporations are persons, and just how ridiculous this is, particularly since they claim personhood when it benefits them and deny it when it doesn't.

Well when the shareholders need to be represented in court then yes they need the privileges of having one voice in the courts. A partner gets to represent his business interests, why should a million shareholders not have someone representing their interests also?

If you want you could present an example.

Corporations might be like cell phones, or computers. Resolved that: scietists have ascribed the average desk-top computer with the intelligence of a housefly, and
Resolved: Republicans worship Corporation, the Living Money God, and
Resolved: given the powers vested in me, I now pronounce them one and the same, intelligence-wise! Witnesses. August 30,2007
With any questions, please dial:
1-800-SEE-IFYOU-CANGETTHROUGHSUCKER

There are a number of examples here, which is one of several excerpts from Thom's book Unequal Protection that are listed on this page.

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Originally posted by Ronald Rutherford:

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There are natural laws limiting our size.

Maybe, but there seems to be natural laws limiting corporations also.

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What happens when a company is wound up? If corporations are persons, then they ought to "die" and estate tax should be paid.

Wound up? I still need my toothpaste. And luckily we do not believe in euthanasia. So why should they be subjected to worse than human conditions?

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Thom is pointing out that the courts have, amazingly, rules that corporations are persons, and just how ridiculous this is, particularly since they claim personhood when it benefits them and deny it when it doesn't.

Well when the shareholders need to be represented in court then yes they need the privileges of having one voice in the courts. A partner gets to represent his business interests, why should a million shareholders not have someone representing their interests also?

If you want you could present an example.

When it comes to the political arena, the shareholders have the ability to represent their interests as individuals and the interests of their company. Giving corporations this ability, with their overwhelming resources to influence legislation is a twisting of the democratic process.

Extending the right for their day in court re: violations of law, infringement of contracts and patents, etc. is not quite the same thing as interpretations of "personhood staus" given by the courts. Corporations are not equal to living beings. This doesn't preclude them from having representation in contractural obligations or violations of law...and should be limited to this.

Rutherford, we may not have euthanasia, and we do have capital punishment. Equal application under the law seems reasonable if they are to be considered as persons. Buy your toothpaste for a corporation that doesn't receive the death penalty when there is equal application of law. A life sentence might do. A prohibition from interacting within society. Same thing.

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"Ideology is a disease"

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Can you think of any other interesting diifferences between persons and corporations?

Not even all persons are equal in the United States - male persons must register for the Selective Service - female persons and corporations can't register. I'm still looking for an example of a right that a corporation has that a woman doesn't have.

Go to CommunityCounts.us and click on ANSWER above the several video questions related to corporate personhood - perhaps if enough people vote we might be able to get at least one candidate to say the phrase "corporate personhood".

Hmm, I wonder what gender corporations are? Male, I suspect.

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Originally posted by Mike Pryslak:

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Can you think of any other interesting diifferences between persons and corporations?

Not even all persons are equal in the United States - male persons must register for the Selective Service - female persons and corporations can't register. I'm still looking for an example of a right that a corporation has that a woman doesn't have.

Go to CommunityCounts.us and click on ANSWER above the several video questions related to corporate personhood - perhaps if enough people vote we might be able to get at least one candidate to say the phrase "corporate personhood".

I can't think of one. But I do know of a right that a woman has that a corporation doesn't. A woman can get a free flu shot when she hits Medicare age. A corporation can't. I think this equal rights violation should be rectified if they have equal personhood.

All corporations of qualifiying age should be given a free flu shot.

If they don't receive their measles and polio vaccines by age 7, apply public health laws and quarantine them for the good of the community (unless, of course, they appeal on religious grounds).

Sue, corporations are hermaphodite. And like all good Republicans, don't engage in sex....they multliply by aquisition and purchase of ready-made families.

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"Ideology is a disease"

I wholeheartedly agree with you Polycarp!
Only with the release of "Bride of Frankenstein" a whole new sinister corporation was created! (Exclusively a marketing thang!)
Now, if behind every good man is a good woman, or if as I believe, there's all good women, and me, then we must look at our simularities i.e. that we're all made of each other!

Why aren't all corporations under the legal age of majority treated as such? Aren't they supposed to be in school?

Now, age IS a factor concerning forms A6.2 through B-12. Other questions are routinely referred to the Human Services Department and forms Z-16 Honesty, or Form X-Actly-97 Fairness.
Questions can also be addressed directly to: Director, Former Gang Member, Billy Joel, regarding tenderness, truthfulness issues. Or, dial, 1-800-IM-2-OLD4THIS

"Generally when a human person changes citizenship, they are also required to change their residence-they have to move to and participate in the country where they are a citizen. But Bermuda and most other tax havens have no such requirement. All you need do is be a corporate person instead of a human person, pay some fees (it cost Ingersoll-Rand $27,653), and, as Ingersoll-Rand's Chief Financial Officer told the New York Times, "We just pay a service organization" to be a mail drop for the company.
Ironically, the Bush administration justified rounding up human people and holding them incommunicado in jails without normal due process after September 11 because as noncitizens, they lacked the full protections of citizens under the U. S. Constitution. Similarly, if you or I were to open a post office box in Bermuda and then claim that we no longer had to pay U. S. income taxes, we could go to jail."

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Paine, looks to me as though corporations are treated as "superior" persons.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"