[/QUOTE]Joseph was the foster father of Jesus. (It would be good if you would read about the man Joseph, husband of Mary). Jesus is the eternal begotten Son of the Father, the second Person of the Godhead. Jesus came to us in a human form; He was fully Divine and fully human a mystery to be sure.[/QUOTE]
Joseph did not exist. He is an invention. And the rest is fiction.
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There are a whole bunch of Suns of God all born on Dec. 25th of a virgin whose name starts with an M, like Mary, Maya etc. Most were lecturing by the age of 12 in their respective temples, were baptized at the age of 30 and began their ministry. Each had 12 disciples, where either crucified or killed and arose on the 3rd day. It was all directly related to the equinox. They were called Suns of God; Light of the World; King of Kings; The Alpha and the Omega. The Sun, without which nothing grows, was considered God by the ancients. Every morning God was reborn and every night he died to be resurrected the next morning. As the summer waned and the days became shorter and the crops died, The Sun went South. BUT on December 22nd, the SUN would perceivably stop moving south and remain still for THREE days. It had "died". Then on December 25th it would rise and move back North and the days would lengthen. The star in the constellation that would be visible was called SIRIUS and the three stars in the Orion's belt were referred to as the three wise man who followed that star to the place where the SunGod would arise. That is what the ancients believed. The number 12, like the disciples, refers to the Zodiaz. The cross of the Zodiac which we see behind the head of Jesus on all old prints is an old pagan symbol. We are in the age of pisces, (fish)So the fish is a pagan symbol. The end of that age (eon) will be in 2150. That is when the age of Aquarius will begin. Jesus said in Math 28:20 "I will be with you even to the end of the worldeon (age)"
Yes, thanks Gerry, I will look at that.
I've always had the idea that there wasn't actually a person named Jesus. These writers of the bible, we now know, were not, necessarily "one person" as the names, "Mark, Matthew, Luke and John suggest. Communities of literate people joined together, at different times and places to create these renditions. After the sacking of the temple in 70 CE, the diaspora made people realize that they should really get it all written down. Consequently, they took the oral traditions and put them to "paper."
The 12 tribes of Israel...Twelve disciples. In other words, the twelve disciples were not actually people but communities. Kane and Able....Cities in conflict...not individual people.
Allegory.
We use allegory to make our own lives more meaningful and simply more exciting. If you personalize the story by expressing the epic in human terms, people, young people, can then relate to the story.
Imagine how differently our history would have been had Constantine not enfolded Christianity into the Roman Empire. By chance, the immense power of the vast Roman Empire, determined the our religious tradition.
We could easily have had a Hellenistic or Egyptian or any number of Pagan traditions. All were perfectly in line for the Roman rule. And here we are, 1700 years later talking about Christianity as though it was the foregone conclusion of those ancient people. What a joke. If not Christianity, people like GGod could be swearing allegiance to Allah or Zeus or any number of other gods in that Pantheon of Gods.
Pure Chance. Of course, as we all know, it's the most brutal of victors that determine the path and, of course, Christianity is the byproduct of that particular brutal Emperor Constantine that bases it's lineage on. At the very opening of this religion, it established itself through eliminating it's opponents. From a religion or rather from a movement designed to defend the weakest amongst us, it was soon transformed into a religion of bullies who designed the religion to fit their needs...The Empire needed an allegory equal and up to the demands of that empire. It was designed for the rich and powerful not the poor and weak. And they're STILL using it that way.
Let me know what you think will you? Perhaps it explains why there are no historic accounts that mention a Jesus. One would assume that a man of miracles would merit mentioning No?
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Joseph did not exist. He is an invention. And the rest is fiction.
Your opinion? Jewish people wrote of their existence and they also wrote of the need for the cover up of the "empty tomb" on the third day.
These are NOT actual events but mythology. The whole region dealt/lived on mythology. All of which turn out to have quite similar premises. That is how the ancients believed. They were simple people. The ten commandments come from Egypts many centuries before Moses. There is nothing original here. The golden calf was Taurus during the age of Taurus. It is all directly related to the Zodiac.
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Let me know what you think will you? Perhaps it explains why there are no historic accounts that mention a Jesus. One would assume that a man of miracles would merit mentioning No?
Let me know what you think will you? Perhaps it explains why there are no historic accounts that mention a Jesus. One would assume that a man of miracles would merit mentioning No?
You should probably double check your link.
"Zeitgeist" didn't work for you? It is a 2 hour video that starts with the mythology of the Bible; goes into 9/11 and a number of other myths we currently live in. I just started it. Mine works fine.
PS The music/flashes in the beginning is annoying, once you're past that its facinating.
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Just wait till Hillary starts spying on all those right wing groups. Watch them call "time-out."
Watch them suddenly worry about their constitutional rights once it's actually THEM who is at risk of being sent to the Cuban gulag.
I will love that moment. The problem is that we don't play that way. We're actually grown ups in office. We like to believe in that quaint document called the constitution and the bill of rights. We think laws and a president that actually enforces not destroys the laws is something to admire.
No, when we get in office, we'll play nice and try not to offend the "ever-moving" right wing as it moves even further to the right.
Originally posted by BrentBoz-Hell: Before the Industrial Revolution (that is, before the widespread use of fossil fuels for energy to power machinery), the carrying capacity of the earth was about one billion people. People could not provide for greater than that number, without machinery to take on the burden of labor.
We now have something over 6.5 billion humans on earth.
I am not concerned about decreased fertility amongst humans, at this point.
When will you begin being concerned about warring against women and families Brent? When it's too late and it just might already be too late. Countries with population implotion cannot find ways to get women to have babies. The culture is so ingrained with self centeredness. And a real threat to human civilization is the growing population of Muslims who are having children:
People who support a president that drops bombs on innocent people and tortures shouldn't complain about other countries.
By the way, did you know that the 4 cartoon characters being hanged in your image above are homosexuals? Are you sure you want to condemn Iran...you have so much in common.
Remember those British prisoners taken off their boats? THEY WERE NOT TORTURED. But we torture Iranian prisoners.
Did you know that 73% of the Iranian people think favorably of America? Yet, here you are ready to drop bombs on them and kill the very people that like us.
Perhaps, instead of listening to the propaganda, you should take a moment and actually walk a mile in their shoes. You know, follow the teachings of Jesus and actually practice compassion? And no, dropping bombs on them is not compassion. We know you got to have your "shock and awe" We know you lust for blood between your teeth and dead burning bodies. We know you want to KILL!KILL!KILL but you must resist.
And when shock and Awe no longer works, when torture only damages your prestige, when spending a trillion dollars to drop those bombs on children no longer satisfies, you can always rely on "final solutions..." It's tested and a sure way to satisfy those desires.
If EVERYTHING fails...Armageddon!!! Isn't that REALLY what you're after?
Of course, hating and dropping bombs is just so much fun.
I find it ironic that a fundamentalist Christian who promotes the Christian taliban would have the nerve to complain about fundamentalist Muslims.
You just love to hate yourself, don't you. In your twisted fundaMENTALIST way you sit there and pretend that we like the oppression of women?
It was the liberals that fought for womens rights. Do you not recall that it was your Christian fanatics here in America that kept the vote from women for so long?
You keep thinking it's !!!THEM!!! that's a danger to feminism but really it's !!!YOU!!!and your fundaMENTALIST religious doctrine that threatens freedom.
A few months ago you were FREAKIN OUT about a children's book about sexuality that was available in your local school. Sounds like something a fundaMENTAList Muslim would be freaking out about.
You don't see the similarities, do you. You really don't see the similarities between your own fears and solutions for sexuality and solutions for unorthodox sexual activity in the Middle East?
Of course you don't. Just like you don't see the problem with your own President (a torturer) who called for war on Iraq because the leader there is torturing his citizens. Of course our torturing is good and their torturing is bad?
On today's program, Thom made 'mince meat' out of a blogger who could not deny that for the interests of U.S.security, he would impose the ancient, strict, Islamic Sharia Law on the United States.
I believe Thom had uncovered the bare skeleton of an ideology which explains all of GG's (YOUR) inconsistent behavior, and also all those hyper-testoterotic illusions called 'men', who have sacrificed virtues en masse, to be aggressive, and violent, and to play with psychaitry/craziness by avoiding being like various stereotypical crepes-like Son of Sam, Jack The Ripper, and Scrooge!! ...and I don't necessarily mean French Pastries either...
These ideologues would 'slay' American's, with our mythical, worst enemies 'pitard'!
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To the chagrin of the defeatist party, the surge is working. Our American military are heros. No thanks to the cut and run, raise the white flag, defund the troops indoctrinated- hate America crowd that should be embarrassed. Of course they have not the sense to recognize whom their twisted thinking serves.
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And a real threat to human civilization is the growing population of Muslims who are having children:
so in other words, you view every able to produce muslim to be a threat? isnt that like saying every catholic is a child pedophile?
sounds to me like you are wishing for the extermination or genocide of an entire race, which is exactly what the catholics tried to do to the jews in ww2.
------------------------------------------ debating conservatives is easy. so easy, even a caveman can do it!
"if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck lot easier, just so long as im the dictator" -GWB Dec 18,2002
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No, fisherman. Only He who was born to die for redemption of the world will show us how to combat the greatest threat to human civilization.
HAPPY BLESSED NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE
"There are two forms of submission. One is to bend our heads as a sign that we renounce our wills to follow God’s will alone. Another is to raise our heads to defend the will of God against those who want to impose something contrary to it."
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See what "Imbecilic Indoctrinated U professors" are up to:
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...Tehran’s Mehr News Agency recently reported that a group of Columbia University professors, including faculty deans, are preparing a trip to Iran, but not to promote free speech. Instead, they’re going to present an official apology to Iran’s President, Mahmud Ahmadinejad, for the way he was treated by Columbia President Lee Bollinger when he visited the university last September.
It’s hard to see how their apology can be “official” without the sanction of Columbia’s chief official, and it’s even harder to see what Bollinger did that was so offensive as to give these professors the idea that they must travel halfway around the world in order to make amends.
Bollinger, of course, shocked the nation and the world when he called Ahmadinejad a “petty and cruel dictator,” criticized human rights abuses within Iran, and asked the Iranian President a series of pointed questions, including: “Why have women, members of the Baha’i faith, homosexuals, and so many of our academic colleagues become targets of persecution in your country?” and “Why do you support well-documented terrorist organizations that continue to strike at peace and democracy in the Middle East, destroying lives and civil society in the region?” He even confronted Ahmadinejad about Iran’s nuclear program, asking him: “Why does your country continue to refuse to adhere to international standards for nuclear weapons verification in defiance of agreements that you have made with the UN nuclear agency? And why have you chosen to make the people of your country vulnerable to the effects of international economic sanctions and threaten to engulf the world with nuclear annihilation?”
Was Bollinger exaggerating the evil of the Iranian mullahcracy? Hardly. Amnesty International noted in its 2007 report on Iran that the “human rights situation” there has “deteriorated, with civil society facing increasing restrictions on fundamental freedoms of expression and association. Scores of political prisoners, including prisoners of conscience, continued to serve prison sentences imposed following unfair trials in previous years. Thousands more arrests were made in 2006, mostly during or following demonstrations. Human rights defenders, including journalists, students and lawyers, were among those detained arbitrarily without access to family or legal representation. Torture, especially during periods of pre-trial detention, remained commonplace. At least 177 people were executed, at least four of whom were under 18 at the time of the alleged offence, including one who was under 18 at the time of execution. Two people were reportedly stoned to death. Sentences of flogging, amputation and eye-gouging continued to be passed. The true numbers of those executed or subjected to corporal punishment were probably considerably higher than those reported.”
Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad’s belligerent statements, some bordering on the genocidal, are well known. He has boasted that “the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come,” and has praised the jihad terrorist organization Hizballah. During Israel’s incursion against Hizballah in Lebanon in 2006, the Iranian President declared: “Today, Hizbullah in Lebanon is the standard-bearer of the resistance of all the monotheistic peoples, of the seekers of justice, and of the free people. Hassan Nasrallah is shouting the loud cry of the vigilant human consciences. Today, Hizbullah stands tall as the representative of all the peoples, all the vigilant consciences, all the monotheistic people, all the seekers of justice, and all free people of the world, against the rule of hegemony. Until now, with the help of Allah, [Hizbullah] is winning, and, Allah willing, it will reach the ultimate victory in the near future.”
That “ultimate victory” would be the total destruction of Israel: “The Islamic umma (community),” he has affirmed, “will not allow its historic enemy [Israel] to live in its heartland.” Israel’s end is near, he said: “There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world.” He has declared that “the Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive.”
His genocidal statements have gone beyond Israel. At the “World Without Zionism” conference held in Tehran in October 2005, as the crowd chanted “death to Israel, death to America, death to England,” the Iranian President again recalled Khomeini’s words: “Once, his eminency Imam [Ruhollah] Khomeini stated that the illegal regime of the Pahlavis must go, and it happened. Then he said the Soviet empire would disappear, and it happened. He also said that this evil man Saddam [Hussein] must be punished, and we see that he is under trial in his country. His eminency also said that the occupation regime of Qods [Jerusalem, or Israel] must be wiped off from the map of the world, and with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”
Also, Ahmadinejad has threatened Iran’s foes with nuclear action: “Today, the Iranian people is the owner of nuclear technology. Those who want to talk with our people should know what people they are talking to. If some believe they can keep talking to the Iranian people in the language of threats and aggressiveness, they should know that they are making a bitter mistake. If they have not realized this by now, they soon will, but then it will be too late. Then they will realize that they are facing a vigilant, proud people.”
Would the Columbia professors like to see a world in which America and Israel had been blasted to nuclear ruin? Do they approve of restrictions on freedom of speech and freedom of the press, of the violent persecutions of minorities, of torture and stonings?
At Columbia in September, Bollinger concluded by challenging Ahmadinejad: “Frankly, and in all candor, Mr. President, I doubt that you will have the intellectual courage to answer these questions. But your avoiding them will in itself be meaningful to us. I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mindset that characterizes so much of what you say and do.” Now, a delegation of Columbia professors is determined to do all it can to confirm Iran’s President in that fanatical, unreflective, inflexible mindset – and the sufferings of the Iranian people be damned.
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