he united states is just as influental. many innocent iraqis have also called for peace but have died in retailiation because of our presence there.
The Iraqis fear that the US military will leave their country. The drive-by media refuses to tell it like it is - the building up of the infrastructure, the abililty to vote three times in one year inspite of stressful condidtions, the many improvements, - - -. Are you aware of the extreme hardships the Iraqis lived under dictator-takover regime of Suddam?
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ACTUALLY stated. can you now see why the muslims hate us more than ever?
Your memory fails you if you do not remember radical Muslims were killing Americans before 9/11.
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to bush, we are fighting a holy war
Your words, not his!
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and by being treated generously, if you mean no access to legal representation, no charges filed against them, being detained indefinitly with little possible hope for a fair trial, being deprived sleep, put into extreme temperature controlled rooms, then yes, you are correct.
No, I mean they have more comforts than they have ever had in their lives. Only their freedom has been denied for very good reasons.
How would you extract information from enemy combatants who desire to kill you and your family, wipe Israel of the face of the earth and force conversion to Islam at the point of a gun until no infidels breathe live?
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1. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The majority of the culprits in the 911 attack were from Saudi Arabia. Why no military action there?
2. No WMD were found. If any were, then it would be ALL over the news not just in the US. Blair also lost his entire credibility as PM with this one. British Intelligence screwed up and there have been numerous investigations as to this. Plus of course if they had any WMD the west would have sold them.
3. For many years before that the US and other western nations have plundered, plotted and fought over the resources in the middle east. Many civilians have died as a result. Not forgetting of course that the US once fully supported and armed Saddam Hussein under Bush's father.
4. 'Islamofacists' another hawkism in this stupid war, do not desire to take over the US. Utter nonsense. They simply want their countries back and the 'infidel' out.
While you are praying for wisdom. Be open to recognising your own hate and your own 'evil'.
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The Iraqis fear that the US military will leave their country. The drive-by media refuses to tell it like it is - the building up of the infrastructure, the abililty to vote three times in one year inspite of stressful condidtions, the many improvements
if you really believe that first sentence then you are living in a fanatasy world just like bush is. a recent poll of IRAQIS said that 6 out of every 10 or 60% want US SOLDIERS DEAD!! they want us to LEAVE their nation, not stay longer. the iraqis no longer see us as liberators but occupiers. the media is showing whats really going on in iraq- over 100 iraqi civilians dieing EVERY day, an AVERAGE OF 3 AMERICAN TROOPS DIEING EVERY DAY, and no end in sight to secular violence. how you see diffently is beyond me. (and most other americans i might add). the infrastructure that is building now is only because it was DESTROYED DURING OUR BOMBING CAMPAIGNS. the iraqi people had electric , water, and other basic needs when saddam was in power and we destroyed that infrastructure during the shock and awe stage of the war.
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quote: to bush, we are fighting a holy war
Your words, not his!
if this is true, then WHY did bush invoke god when talking about the invasion of iraq? what happened to separation of church and state?
GG you are living in some sort of hallucunation. you are one of those people that blindly follow the leadership of this nation and what they say, DESPITE what is reality. Bush thinks the war is over! after all , didnt he proclaim mission accomplished on may 3, 2003? wasnt it bush that on june 3, 2003 taunted the terrorists and told them to "bring it on"? i really feel sorry that you believe the way you do. i bet if this was the vietnam war, you would be on of those people who said things were going great and stay the course. im sorry, but the blind leading the blind doesnt work for me. in this nation, people like you are a minority now.
how can u think things are going great in iraq with all the deaths? with the fact our OWN generals are saying iraq is in the midst of a civil war. the judge in the saddam trial has issued a stay on the verdict in order to prevent sectarian violence once the verdict is read. the state of emergency was once again extended for the entire nation of iraq (it has been in a state of emergency for over a full year straight). and a city wide curfew was issued in baghdad over the weekend. yup, things are REALLY going great there! your logic is so flawed, its akin to ann coulter talking about 911 widows being into for the money.
you have the right to your opinion, as do all americans but just because you believe something doesnt make it real. our president is proof of that. what he says is most of the time a complete opposite of the reality of the situation.
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How would you extract information from enemy combatants who desire to kill you and your family, wipe Israel of the face of the earth and force conversion to Islam at the point of a gun until no infidels breathe live?
i wouldnt do it in the manner bush and company are doing it. and what is the diffence between a terrorist holding a gun to yor head to make u convert to islam, and an american army bombing your nation to force you to convert to democracy? the differnce between the two is very small, if at all.
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Not forgetting of course that the US once fully supported and armed Saddam Hussein under Bush's father.
He and his country was once considered a place of safety and a safe risk, but I do not have any information on it.
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No WMD were found.
That's been disproved, KenneyMac! A former Iraqi general has confirmed the existence of these weapons.
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Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The majority of the culprits in the 911 attack were from Saudi Arabia.
Current Democrat Senators prior to 9/11 are on record stating the opposite. Iraq was a haven for jihardists building of their military. Suddam violated all the sanctions imposed by the UN and the UN allowed it to happen. Before the invasion alot of WMDs were taken over the border to Saudi Arabia.
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British Intelligence screwed
Wasn't it the UN inspectors?
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Plus of course if they had any WMD the west would have sold them.
Would you have bought some?
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'Islamofacists' another hawkism in this stupid war, do not desire to take over the US.
C'mon, KennyMac!!!
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While you are praying for wisdom. Be open to recognising your own hate and your own 'evil'.
Yikes!!!! God help me!!!
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KennyMac and fisherman, isn't it strange how the many immigrants risk who lives to come to this country?
Should we redirect them to Austrailia?
and this pertains to iraq how??
GG's FANTASY WORLD:war in iraq going well
ACTUAL REALITY:iraq in midst of civil war
FANTASY:spending 80 billion in iraq a year is good
ACTUAL REALITY:we are now buried in debt to other nations
FANTASY:gop leadership is protecting america
ACTUAL REALITY:gop leadership wants to let taliban govern afghanistan again
FANTASY:thank god bush was elected in 2000 and 2004 or we might be speaking another language
ACTUAL REALITY:2000 bush was appointed, not elected. with influx of illegals from mexico, we still might be speaking spanish before you know it
FANTASY:iraq had WMD
ACTUAL REALITY:no WMD found in over 3 years we have been on the ground in iraq
FANTASY:iraq was at fault for 911
ACTUAL REALITY:no link between iraq and 911. most of the terrorists were saudis
FANTASY:we are building the infrastructure of iraq
ACTUAL REALITYnly because we are the ones who destroyed it
FANTASY:iraqis are afraid to have american troops leave iraq
ACTUAL REALITYver 60% of iraqis polled want us soldiers DEAD!
GG your reality sounds like an episode of the twilight zone or star trek. do some independant research instead of listening to the gop propaganda machine.
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"Dr. Ehrenfeld listed many contemporary and historical crimes committed by Muslim states against non-Muslims and their holy sites. She noted: “According to the Dictionary of Islam: conquered by jihad, subjugated people are given three choices: 1) convert, 2) pay a head tax, or 3) die.”
She quoted the thirteenth century jurist, Ibn Taymiya, often cited by Osama bin Laden, who wrote that spoils of war “received the name of fay since Allah had taken them away from the infidels in order to restore (afa'a, radda) them to the Muslims....
[The] infidels forfeit their persons and their belongings which they do not use in Allah's service to the faithful believers who serve Allah and unto whom Allah restitutes what is theirs....”
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While the Soviet Union in history backed away from self destruction the West may now be facing a "suicidal regime" in the form of Iran, which is willing to sacrifice itself for its ideology.
Recognizing the danger IS the first step in dealing with it"
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Have you taken the time to analyse the prayer by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he was in the US two weeks ago??
Why not?? Oh, sorry - not expedient for bush bashing ?
Awaiting the 12th Imam - eNews for August 08, 2006 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected in June of 2005 with more than 60 percent ... with a prayer imploring God to hasten the return of the 12th Imam. ... www.khouse.org/enews_article/2006/1099/print/
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REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the military barracks in Saudi Arabia!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the American mbassies in Africa!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM attack on 9/11/2001!
REMEMBER all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those vicious MUSLIM attacks!
yes all those attacks were very tragic events and SHOULD be condemned by EVERYONE. however, at the same time, your failure to condemn the attacks on innocent iraqi citizens by coalition forces is nothing less that hypocritical. your failure to speak out to those attacks are just as bad as the american-muslims (or muslims in general) who did not openly condemn all the attacks you mentioned. how can you condemn attacks only when they are directed against jewish or american forces and not against muslims?
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She noted: “According to the Dictionary of Islam: conquered by jihad, subjugated people are given three choices: 1) convert, 2) pay a head tax, or 3) die.”
look at the key words there buddy... conquered by JIHAD! the vast majority of muslims do not practice or preach jihadism. to put all muslims into the same catagory as the jihadist, as you have done many times, is akin to calling ALL catholics sexual perverts just because a few clergy decieded to go the way of satan. are you a sexual pervert because you are catholic?
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fisherman and KenneyMac - Your sympathies are misplaced:
Iran President more dangerous than Hitler.
please tell me in what ways he is more dangerous. as far as i know, the iranian president, in spite of all his tough talk, has NOT invaded another country. he has NOT sent over 6 million people to their deaths in torture chambers. if anyone is more dangerous than hitler, it would be our president. our president has initiated a secret police state, just this the SS, where anyone can be locked up indefintly for no reason. just like hitler, bush is surpressing the nations civil rights for 'the greater good of the nation'. just like hitler, bush is forcing his new world order onto other nations that are unwilling to conform to his ungodly views. is the iranian president a threat? probably so. but to make a comparison to hitler is misguided. until he tries to take over the entire middle east or put 6 million non muslims into death chambers, your point has no merit.
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While the Soviet Union in history backed away from self destruction the West may now be facing a "suicidal regime" in the form of Iran, which is willing to sacrifice itself for its ideology.
Recognizing the danger IS the first step in dealing with it"
GG you need to read your history better. the soviet union DID self destruct, hence it no longer exists. that is why it is called Russia now, not the USSR anymore. with the collaspe of the berlin wall came the collaspe of the soviet union. or dont they teach that in conservative learning books? you would think they would since reagan was partly responsible for it, as was the social and ecomonical situation inside the soviet union at the time
also if iran is willing to sacrifice itself for its ideology, then what do you call americas war on terror or the iraq war? are we not sacrificing many of our soldiers lives for our ideologies? are we not sacrificing how the world views us? are we not sacrificing the welfare of the american people for the ideologies of the bush administration. once again, your hypocritical views have been exposed. you are saying whats wrong for one country (iran) is right for another (united states)
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Have you taken the time to analyse the prayer by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he was in the US two weeks ago??
Why not?? Oh, sorry - not expedient for bush bashing ?
Awaiting the 12th Imam - eNews for August 08, 2006 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected in June of 2005 with more than 60 percent ... with a prayer imploring God to hasten the return of the 12th Imam. ... www.khouse.org/enews_article/2006/1099/print/
no i agree with you on what the iranian president said at the time. HOWEVER, if you are going to point a finger at him, why didnt you also condemn what bush said in the state of the union address in 2003? instead of condemning bush, you actually tried to change what he said and the meaning of what he said. bush said what he said. those facts cannot be changed, twisted, or magically have different meaning. could it be because bush was invoking YOUR god and not the muslim god? you are quick to condemn when a muslim speaks of jihad and holy wars, but you give bush a free pass when he does the same, even going as far as justifing what he said. so if bush was justified in invoking god in his speach, by your logic the iran president was all in the right to do the same.
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quote: Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The majority of the culprits in the 911 attack were from Saudi Arabia.
Current Democrat Senators prior to 9/11 are on record stating the opposite. Iraq was a haven for jihardists building of their military. Suddam violated all the sanctions imposed by the UN and the UN allowed it to happen. Before the invasion alot of WMDs were taken over the border to Saudi Arabia
WOW!! heres a BIG FLAW with your reasoning GG. how could democratic senators PRIOR to 911 know that iraq was involved in 911 if 911 did not exist at that time? did they have some sort of magical timemachine or a quiji board, able to see into the future? if 911 didnt occur or exist , then how would they know prior to the fact? lol i laugh at your attempts of reasoning.
and ,if in fact you are correct about the WMD being moved to saudi arabia, why hasnt your all mighty administration try to take them out there? simple, it all has to do with oil. if we attack the saudis, we will lose a vast majority of the imported oil we recieve. i have not once seen you condemning saudi arabia for having these WMD or even the fact that the majority of the terrorists were saudis. you are quick to condemn iran, which even though has a radical government, does not possess WMD at the time.
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could it be because bush was invoking YOUR god and not the muslim god? you are quick to condemn when a muslim speaks of jihad and holy wars,
"YOUR god"- addressed that way I do not know whom you are referrring. If you are attempting to address "God, Creator of the Universe and all that is living", than I know whom you are addressing.
There is only one God. The Muslims call him other names than Christians. RADICAL Muslims have interpreted God very differently than the moderate/peaceful Muslims. Jihardists or Radical Muslims interpret God as directing them to TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY FIRE AND SWORD. Peaceful/moderate Muslims oppose that interpretation. Peaceful/moderate Muslims recognize that the problem for Muslims is that they do not have a magisterium/council or an annointing of a headship on earth - that results in CHAOS - a threat to civilization.
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WOW!! heres a BIG FLAW with your reasoning GG. how could democratic senators PRIOR to 911 know that iraq was involved in 911 if 911 did not exist at that time? did they have some sort of magical timemachine or a quiji board, able to see into the future? if 911 didnt occur or exist , then how would they know prior to the fact? lol i laugh at your attempts of reasoning.
They are on record stating that they are aware of the build up of Iraq's threat to the world - Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, both Clintons - - - .
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Fisherman - this is a good article, well worth taking the time to read on the Muslim European epidemic last spring and much more about the mutual enemy we face.
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what do you call americas war on terror or the iraq war?
Defense - protection of all the citizens of the world - enough if enough. Remember 9/11 - have you forgotten??
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look at the key words there buddy... conquered by JIHAD! the vast majority of muslims do not practice or preach jihadism. to put all muslims into the same catagory as the jihadist, as you have done many times, is akin to calling ALL catholics sexual perverts just because a few clergy decieded to go the way of satan. are you a sexual pervert because you are catholic?
I'm not a "buddy"!
If most Muslims do not practice or preach (I doubt you are correct), than why are they silent? Wouldn't you say their silence is because they fear for their lives?? Think about that one!
Don't be silly about Catholics. Catholics are embarrassed about the scandal.
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nly because we are the ones who destroyed it
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