GG. I'm amazed and somewhat baffled as to how you seem to perceive this. Do you honestly think they are swapping recipes over there?
KennyMac, I've flooded the boards enough this morning, but I do want to spend time on this. You and fisherman listen and watch those who will not tell you the good that is being done in Iraq and what our soldiers tell us. They are on the front lines and the informationless media are silent on their testimonies. Nancy Pelosie failed to give any details, to my knowledge, because I believe she was surprised at what she discovered. Rusty Humphrie for instance, is a talk show host that has personally visited and talked with extreme Muslims and their intent for world takeover.
We are witnessing crises proportional times and many want to resolve it with "Centralized Government". There is NO goodness in this.
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I lost the use of my computer for several days and finally finished reading the book "rule by secrecy" by Jim Marrs.
Now fisherman should like this one because the author is extremely hard on the Catholic Church and I have ordered the book "Architects of the Culture of Death", by Donald DeMarco.
Fisherman, if you can watch the 13-part series by DeMarco that is soon to be shown on EWTN, you will find it worthwhile. I have a friend that will copy it for me. I'm anxious to get the history from a Catholic writer connecting the dots of all the organizations and people used by powerful people to implement one world government, one world religion.
I use books more as references than read throughs, but 'rule by secrecey' is very interesting and glad I took the time to read it.
Actually I would like to start a thread on "Centralized Government".
KennyMac - fisherman - why or WHY! is this not being talked about!? Please answer me this.
Don't you see the writing on the wall?
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GG, the 3 posts you just put up STILL dont answer the question as to what parts of europe are effected and are under islamic law. once again you skirt the question and attempt to mislead by posting 3 articles that have no merit.
your first article is by a racial profiling group who hate all muslims. are you a skinhead in disguise GG? do you belong to the arian nation like your hitler following pope?
your second article is just a blog by someone. it has no facts or data in it and is just an opinion, rendering it useless to your arguement. why do you continue to post crap?
your third article harms your arguement more than helps. in the article, the very people who want parts of islamic law included also states that the canadian constitution , or the Charter of Rights, is the supreme law of the land. the article also states that conservative jews are also trying to impliment their radical laws. why didnt you mention that? why did you only focus on islamics when the article CLEARLY talks about radical jews also? are you a racist GG? did you even bother reading the whole article or are you just copying and pasting again? obviously you cant read, because if you could you would have seen that the article doesnt mention any type of radical islam. another prefabricated problem you created out of nothing.
apparently, you are so insecure with your own faith GG that you must feel the need to lash out and attack others faith. but then again, i wouldnt feel so secure knowing that the leader of my cult was a hitler youth army leader and the catholic cult as a whole is nothing more than a 250 million a year business out for profit, not soul salvation.
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"Actually I would like to start a thread on "Centralized Government".
KennyMac - fisherman - why or WHY! is this not being talked about!? Please answer me this.
Don't you see the writing on the wall?"
GG, i have been telling you that Bush and the catholic cult have been attempting a one world order since i was a member. you are the one that is too ignorant to see the facts before you.
it is NO surprise to me that the catholic church (and the united states government) tries to govern through secrecy. the more a governing body tries to keep secret, the more they are attempting to hide.
take the case of your catholic church. the pope has TOTAL authority, which is akin to a dictator. he makes the rules, exucutes the rules, and defines the rules as he sees fit. as i mentioned in a post earlier, the vatican is the ONLY totalitarian government in all of europe. sounds like a type of radical government to me. actually, it sounds very much like the islamic law you constantly bash, only this law was originally made for catholics and not muslims.
now take the case of the us government. it is no secret that while bush wants to pry more into OUR personal lives, he has resorted to more secret tribinals, secret military courts, and has even RECLASSIFIED documents that were once public. why resort to such radical and secretive methods unless he is trying to hide something? what skelatons is he trying to keep away from the american public and media? did he know the truth about iraq before hand? what info did he have about 911 before the attacks? why is he trying to impliment a national id card, which would be akin to the mark of the beast?
no, im not making these facts up, nor are they my opinion. true, my opinion is that bush is an ape who is the LEAST qulified to run this nation, but the facts remain that more civil liberties have been taken away from americans than any other time during our history, including the 2 world wars. what type of radical law is bush trying to impliment?
btw GG, if you look at the last article you posted (the canadian one), you will see that only the CONSERVATIVE muslims and jews want to impliment their radical forms on government. LIBERAL muslims and jews want things difernt, like equal rights for all, including women. it is the conservatives that want to harm. and that is exactly what bush is doing.
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Yes. I read Rule By Secrecy years ago and I certainly believe that the concept is true. We are ruled by secrecy, usually passed off as 'National Security'. A blanket 'no go area' for those not in the loop and where the rules are certainly different. It's an old game though and well above partisan and party politics. Still there are those naive enough to believe that power is handed over every few years at election time and as long as there are then the game will continue.
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I'm anxious to get the history from a Catholic writer connecting the dots of all the organizations and people used by powerful people to implement one world government, one world religion.
Geeg. The Catholic Church wouldn't be so up in arms if it was THEIR one world religion. Isn't that their claim anyway - Universal religion?
Roll on the day when we've evolved passed religion.
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that you must feel the need to lash out and attack others faith.
Sha'ria law does not have human reasoning, only violence, cohersion, subjugation, one world order takeover.
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that Bush and the catholic cult have been attempting a one world order since i was a member.
Has the Catholic Church ordered women and children to strap on bombs; does the Catholic Church promise a reward in the next life by killing in this life, does the Catholic church sanction raping females, killing homosexuals, killing any and all that are NOT Catholic, sanction 4 wifes to one husband, does the Catholic Church imprison those of a different faith? Who teaches "love your enemy"? NOt Sha'ria!!
You might be learning alot about the environment, but you absolutely are all wet on political issues.
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Still there are those naive enough to believe that power is handed over every few years at election time and as long as there are then the game will continue.
I'm one, KennyMac, that believes it to be true. I am in awe of the demoralization of humanity. Humanity has a natural greatness for the culture of life. I started a list of the many evil atrocities by humanity and deleted it and recognize that we could not perceive the darkness if we could not the light. I too often focus upon crimes of humanity and have great difficulty to stay focused upon "humanity's incredible potential".
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Has the Catholic Church ordered women and children to strap on bombs; does the Catholic Church promise a reward in the next life by killing in this life, does the Catholic church sanction raping females, killing homosexuals, killing any and all that are NOT Catholic, sanction 4 wifes to one husband, does the Catholic Church imprison those of a different faith? Who teaches "love your enemy"? NOt Sha'ria!!
You might be learning alot about the environment, but you absolutely are all wet on political issues
lets see what the catholic religion has done in its past: it has ordered woman and chldren burned at the stake, promises a reward of eternal life through monetary contributions to the church, sanctions the killings of non believers (through Canon Law), approves the molestation of children by its so called church leaders, orders its religious leaders to not enjoy its own sacriment of marriage (lest they be excommuninated), has a long history of killing and torturing those who would not believe, and apparently does not teach "love thy enemy", since you certainly dont follow that very teaching.
and since when did religion have to do with politics? mix the 2 and you end up with radical governments like irans or the united states (because of george bush and radicals like you)
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"Sha'ria law does not have human reasoning, only violence, cohersion, subjugation, one world order takeover"
are you sure you are not refering to your catholic cult? throughout its history, the catholic religion has relied on intimidation, violence, subjugation, and a one world take over to promote its brainwashing agenda. and you constantly fall for it like a fool.
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I too often focus upon crimes of humanity and have great difficulty to stay focused upon "humanity's incredible potential".
I know what you mean Geeg. Humanity HAS incredible potential but in order for us to move forward we have to be aware of the truth of things. We can only change what we are aware of. We are ruled by secrecy for a reason.
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the catholic religion is nothing more than a form of radical islam created for idiots like yourself. and i am asking the moderator (bill king, my friend) to delete your posts in the tornado thread. you lose!!
fisherman. chill out dude
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Tolerating evil is a crime. Appeasing murderers doesn't buy protection. It earns one disrespect and loathing in the enemy's eyes. Yet apathy is the weapon by which the West is committing suicide. Political correctness forms the shackles around our ankles, by which Islamists are leading us to our demise.
They all understood that this assault was more precisely targeted than an attack on "civilization." First and foremost, it was an attack on America....
All over the Muslim world, young people like Zamzamy are juggling their sense of Islamic identity with the trappings of a globalized, secular society...
"The Americans say September 11th was an attack on civilization," says Mr Hariri, the Lebanese prime minister. "But what does civilized society mean if not a society that lives according to the law?"
We can only change what we are aware of. We are ruled by secrecy for a reason.
"Many people today believe that this same small group of men and women along with friends and associates not only manipulate many major world issues but also control the tax-exempt foundations..." pg. 100 "rule by secrecy", by Jim Marrs
Called by many names this "one world order" includes affects/infects alot of government agencies such as FEMA and ACLU and it overwhelms me the many others which we consider are looking out for the safety of the US citizens and the world.
Why are we not wise as serpents on this issue, KennyMac?
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"The New World Religion" by Gary H. Kah, published in 1999 is also about global unity and one world order/centralized government.
"The Coming Collision", global Law vs. US Liberties, by James L. Hirsen, published 1999 is about the loose and distorted way our US Constitution is being interpreted by activist judges creating laws that effect issues as life, death, religion, family (and Education, may I add), pg. 20.
Globalists cannot "take over" at the voting booth, but they can manipulate these progressive judges who believe themselves (apparently) to be more knowledgeable (YIKES!!) or more manageable with the use of their judicial power. Why aren't they impeached??
Foreign treaties diametrically opposed to founding documents of this great Nation are undermining our Constituion and actually being adapted into the NEA, for instance. Textbooks and school materials are to conform with world wide political correctness.
The Bill of Rights states that Congress shall not impinge upon the inherent rights of the people and the UN documents state totalitarian procedures can take place and remove freedom of speech, religion, or assembly, . . . provisions that reach deeply into pockets, and into private lives of citizens.
Patriotism is being tested DAILY . Are we losing the battle? Has our military fought and died for naught?
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Why are we not wise as serpents on this issue, KennyMac?
Because we are ruled by secrecy Geeg. Most people don't even consider such issues and is the reason the whole secrecy thing works. Plus of course it's not some kind of satanic or evil plot, it's simply what our systems (economic and political) have evolved into, namely ONE system. Politics has in effect been bought out. The industries and commercial interests with the most campaign dollars wield the most political influence, have the ear of the decision makers and expect returns on their investments. Gone are the days where Joe Bloggs could rise to be President. Now Joe Bloggs needs to have millions of dollars behind him and influence from political 'backers'.
In any case the real power lies with those who control the economic system. Those who control the money.
Plus of course at personal levels, this 'power' (wealth and influence) is maintained and handed down in dynastic family lines much like it always has done.
I'm sure if you read The Godfather and scale it up that would pretty much be how it works.
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i agree kennymac. i admit that i overreacted and i have since withdrawn and deleted those posts. it was an overreaction to GGs posts in a thread i started and i apologize for my reaction. i honestly do try to keep it civil, although i often fail.
since GG apologized for derailing my thread, i extended the same to her when it came to this thread. that being said, im hoping we can all continue to debate in a intelligent manner.
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OK, OK fisherman, you win. Whatever bill king decides, I'll respect.
no, i didnt win. i overreacted and i apologize. i never did get a chance to ask bill to delete the thread and im actually happy we were able to solve this without moderator interference.
once again, im sorry for overreacting.
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Thank you, fisherman, you are forgiven and I will try to be more respectful and stop my knee jerk reactions.
I'm going to risk telling you something. You have no idea how much I appreciate you. I'm old enough to be your mother, you know that, and I wish that I could have these kinds of discussions with my family.(Don't trash me on this; I do enough to myself.)
Somewhere in Sacred Scripture it states do not despise the youth. You've got it more together than I did at your age. Call me a 'late bloomer' . It is good to have these exchanges. I learn from you. I perceive you to want nothing but good and your desire to be a good man. Often you alarm me however. I'm not perfect, but close Remember, we are all called to Sainthood and there are no impossible cases. God help me, I should know in my case.
So a few ruffled feathers once in awhile is good for everyone. dont' you think?
Let the debates resume !!!!
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KennyMac, Thank you for intervening. Inspite of the fact that we perceive things so very differently, you are a great resource; you bring calmness and balance into a discussion and I desire to respect your space.
Sometimes I just want to put the boxing gloves on and knock the heegeebeejees out of someone to acquire commonsense. We are all conditioned differently. Forebearance is one of my desired postures along with gentleness. Not there yet, but I'm workin' on it!
May you have many successes in the goodness of your pursuits, KennyMac.
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Your military has fought and died to make others rich GG the same as it always has.
Are you implying we are 'useful idiots'? I believe in the 'conspiracy theory', and it is darn scarey what slaves we can be because we have been mesmerized by self centeredness and forced into unholy submission. We are continually creating more slave classes rather than fighting for freedom to succeed. We are being torn apart from within in our great nation. Most of our Congressionals are disgraceful and Pres. Bush has to be put on the carpet for what he is not explaining. He's got the right position on the "war on terrorism", IMO. If we do not fight it there and now we will and still could be fighting it here. Not that I want another country to suffer, for what good is that?
You must acknowledge that we have been a SAFE HAVEN for many since the beginning. There is not another nation that can compare to the generosity, quick response, and benevolence of the United States.
So, you see we still maintain alot of goodness. With fisherman on one end of the eastern US coast and me on the upper end of the eastern coast, we'll straighten matters out pronto, just wait and see!!!hehehehe!!
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and please accept my apologies, fisherman.
. It is good to have these exchanges. I learn from you. I perceive you to want nothing but good and your desire to be a good man. Often you alarm me however. I'm not perfect, but close 
Remember, we are all called to Sainthood and there are no impossible cases. God help me, I should know in my case.
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