'Twas purusing a thread in a different section and the author was complaining the democrats had reneged on their mandate to end the war. I personally think several things that have been written about have to come to pass before this particular confrontation ends. So in that vain, I posted my 2cents. And since a picture is worth a thousand words, I created an animated gif and appended it to my pretty pennies.

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2cents = link

GIF =

Being some one else's thread I couldn't post all the observations I've made to backup my claim, so I'm going to do it here. Piecemeal, got way to much to post all at once.

The reader can:

• add their own observations
• call me crazy
• refuse to be epithanized (ignore me)

Your Choice

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call me crazy

K

That's what i like, keep it short!

Hey Dusty,
Now that I think of it, you could have put some bold tags around that capital (k) and underlined it. Get back there and fix it.

Just remember, Ashes to Ashes, Sawdust to Sawdust

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Beast Observation

Might as well start from its humble beginnings.

There was a group of religous zealots who felt they were being persecuted when what they were doing was cramming their beliefs down throats of others. The others told them to get lost. They even got tossed out of Denmark the land of live and let live.

Anyway, They boarded 3 Wooden Ships and headed for the New Land. Once they got there they would have all died if the locals hadn't helped them. It was pure luck that they even got a toehold in the New Land...

Run for your life Squanto!

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The colonist army surrounded a fortified Pequot village on the Mystic River. At sunrise, as the inhabitants slept, the Puritan soldiers set the village on fire.

William Bradford, Governor of Plymouth, wrote: "Those that escaped the fire were slain with the sword; some hewed to pieces, others run through with their rapiers, so that they were quickly dispatched and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire...horrible was the stink and scent thereof, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them."

Now the Beast is a living entity, it may not have blood coursing through it veins, but take a look at the kaabillion miles of road. They serve as the circulatory sytem. Being so close to the surface I guess you'd have to consider them verygross veins. (he,he, I crack me up.)

Unfortunitly the Beast doesn't have a very good working bowel system and has skin eruptions in form of superfund sites, just to name one such blight.

However if you take a look at a detailed map you will notice the shoreline pooches out into the ocean near L.A.. That's the butthole of the Beast, its like it's got hemorrhoids. (Now that would be funny, if it weren't true.)

As I said the Beast is a living enity and as with all complex living organisms it is susceptible to foreign microscopic invaders. That's were the Puritans come in, only they are not so pure. They are not the heros our text books make them out to be. They are the vile virus that started the slave trade in the New World.

Note the graphic below where the original infection occured. It's the snozzola of the Beast.




Of course Long Island looks like the lower jaw of the Beast and a lot of filth was injested through the straight above it. It's also basically where it got punched on 911, but I'll save that for later observations.

One other thing, what is that growth on top of the Beast's head, antlers, horns? That explains a lot of the Mainards I've met.

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If your Armageddan map is ever picked up by the Fundies, they may make a banner out of it, fly it at the front of the church and use it as a focus of celebration!

They sure seem to be trying to bring it about.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

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They sure seem to be trying to bring it about.

Actually that's supposed to be the function of the 2nd Beast.

The 1st Beast rose up out of the Sea, that would be the USA as it was not around at time Revelations was written.

The 2nd Beast who directs the first Beast to make war came later and rose up out of the Earth, that could be you or me, we're both made out dirt and water.

The 2nd Beast was identifiable by his number.

Seems our illustrious Leader has a very intresting numeric nickname.

The Pope had an Inkling...

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Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends - Church - journalist Wayne Madsden

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Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

COPYRIGHT 2003 Catholic New Times, Inc.

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False Recovery, Cold War Heating Up

The U.S. is kidding itself if it thinks it can kid the Russians. We are placing Nukes in Europe supposedly for defense against a Korean or Irainian Nuclear attack. And wanting to build Radar stations in Poland which is on the wrong side of Europe to be monitoring the Middle East.

The problem with that is Russia knows those two countries don't have nukes or even missles with the range to reach Europe. They also know that our ICBM defense system is a figment of some one's imagination, even if the money we've spent on it wasn't.

Russia also knows the prevailing wisdom to winning a Nuke Fest is the first strike. Use a sneak attack and your new generation of more robust bunker-busters to blow your enemies ordinance up before it's ever launched. And the closer you can launch them from the better.

so...

Today Russia tested a rocket that not only zig-zags on it way to the target (which it beaned) it carries ten warheads! You know, just in case we really can shoot down 90% of the Missiles coming in at us at Mach 16.

Perish the thought.

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Originally posted by drl:

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They sure seem to be trying to bring it about.

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Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends - Church - journalist Wayne Madsden

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and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

COPYRIGHT 2003 Catholic New Times, Inc.

Well, there is a long-standing oral tradition in catholisism that prophesies the current pope will be the last to serve until the natural end of his papacy. The next would be the last pope to ever serve with the destruction of Christianity occurring during his Papacy and the pope forcibly being removed from office by death or imprisonment. I don't give it much credence, but.....

Bush does meet many of the standards as described in Revelations, and America, as of now, meets the standards of "Babylon" which will lead the fall.

My views on Revelations however, don't fit the standard interpretations of it. I'm not looking forward to a biblical Armeggedon...that doesn't preclude some idiot starting WWIII or leading the world into chaos.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

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My views on Revelations however, don't fit the standard interpretations of it. I'm not looking forward to a biblical Armeggedon...that doesn't preclude some idiot starting WWIII or leading the world into chaos.

I don't know,PC, like you said the signs are there. Also the last part of your sentence is what's got to happen for things to ever change. People aren't going to change unless they have no other choice. And change they must if anyone is ever going to enjoy a thousand years of peace.

So if what goes around comes around, the Beast is going to get Spanked, or Chained and thrown into the Pit. Six of one half dozen of the other.

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Originally posted by drl:

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My views on Revelations however, don't fit the standard interpretations of it. I'm not looking forward to a biblical Armeggedon...that doesn't preclude some idiot starting WWIII or leading the world into chaos.

I don't know,PC, like you said the signs are there. Also the last part of your sentence is what's got to happen for things to ever change. People aren't going to change unless they have no other choice. And change they must if anyone is ever going to enjoy a thousand years of peace.

So if what goes around comes around, the Beast is going to get Spanked, or Chained and thrown into the Pit. Six of one half dozen of the other.

True. Some Pinocchio in the White House could bring about an "Armeggedon". Not biblically based...just pure ignorance. If you get enough Fundie nuts roaming around and voting, then "self-fulfilling prophesies" may tend to come true.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

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...then "self-fulfilling prophesies" may tend to come true.

Self-fulfilling prophecy can not explain how out of all the different players laying claim to this continent, after the smoke cleared... There you have it, The Beast.

If a God fearing Christian can look up at the night sky and see a Big Dipper or a Crab, they ought to be able to look at a 2 dimensional map and see that.

Maybe they would notice the Beast is decidedly male. It's got a Sack that hangs down behind its back leg. Geographically it’s the Big Ben National Park. Not much going on there other than it's sweaty hot most of the year. Maybe that's just a coincidence.


Coincidence doesn't explain the other end of it. What you have in the ocean under it, is what you would have in a puddle full of tadpoles if you let loose in it all day, day in, day out.
Dead Tadpoles


Some other weird coincidences is where some of our cities are setting. DC the heart of the beast. Houston one time oil capital of the world, the belly of the beast. Wall Street the brains of the brains of the beast. Their locations may not be anatomically perfect, but they’re pretty close. Nope, not even serendipity on steroids can explain the appearance of the Beast. What can is…

MANIFEST DESTINY

That contrivance came from the white supremacist of their day and basically meant that it was God’s Will that they spread their superior way of life from coast to coast. And since it was God’s Will, they could do so forcefully if not fatally. You know if France hadn’t been gearing up for war and needing money we could have saved fifteen million on the Louisiana Purchase, because we would have taken it from them.

There’s our lily white goddess, Columbia, carrying a schoolbook and stringing the telegraph poles. She has since resigned herself to standing atop the capital building. If she had our best interests at heart see would drop through that dome and pay some one a visit.

So was Manifest Destiny God’s will?

I think so, God needed to manifest a beast so he could fulfill his prophecy. Of course outwardly appearance isn’t what makes the Beast a Beast. In Deed, the Beast has probably left more bodies strewn around the globe, in person and/or by proxy than any other single entity in history.

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Hi drl-

Get a felt pen and a piece of paper. Sit down and start making dots on the paper. Try your best not to create a pattern or order. Fill up the paper. Sit back and observe your art. Does a pattern emerge?

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Hi drl-

Bac@ya

Are u trying to bamboozle me, that took 3 pens! I named my creation, "Rorschach-Pitch-Black-Ink-Spill". I'm thinking about framing it but can't see my signiture. Maybe I need to use a lighter color for that.

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Are u trying to bamboozle me

u know me better then that

I gave it another shot bamboo, and I got a carbon copy of my first creation. So I thought maybe he doesn't mean fill up the paper completely. So on my 3rd try I stopped when my arm got tired.

I scanned and resized the results and included them below. Maybe you can, but I can't make out a pattern. I think that's because I'm not very intuitive, I can only see things that are obvious.

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The 1st Beast rose up out of the Sea, that would be the USA as it was not around at time Revelations was written.

Mabey first beast (in the prophesies perception)is life...biological... animals...humans.

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The 2nd Beast who directs the first Beast to make war came later and rose up out of the Earth, that could be you or me, we're both made out dirt and water.

Could this be "unenlightened" or what we presently refer to as CIVILIZATION? The ones you mentioned earlier...

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There was a group of religous zealots who felt they were being persecuted when what they were doing was cramming their beliefs down throats of others. The others told them to get lost. They even got tossed out of Denmark the land of live and let live.

It has evolved into quite the upsidedown view. One example, if a person kills another person it is called murder. If the government kills hundreds of thousands it's called patriotic.

Some of the wrong people are in prison, some of the wrong people are out of prison.
The wrong people are in power, the wrong people are out of power.
When we speak of these things we are accused, by governments of disturbing the peace. In reality we are disturbing the WAR.

If you don't know history it's like you were born yesterday. If you were born yesterday those in power may tell you anything that conforms to their agenda.

I can not claim credit for these insights. They come from Howard Zinn, one of my hero's. A great activist and historian.

Here's a to-do list written in the maestros' hand..

"show how clouds form and dissolve,
how water vapor rises from the earth to the air,
how mists form and the air thickens,
and why one wave seems more blue than another;
describe the aerial regions,
and the causes of snow and hail,
how water condenses, and hardens into ice,
and how new figures form in the air,
and new leaves on the trees,
and icicles on the stones of cold places..."

and

"O admirable necessity!
O powerful action!
What mind can penetrate
your nature? What
language can express this
marvel? None, to be sure.
This is where human
discourse turns toward
the contemplation of
the divine"
-Leonardo on the miracle of the human eye-

Don't you just love dots?
When they're connected and perspective and focus is adjusted, it's amazing what's revealed.

That turned out pretty nice drl! Its amazing what's in us. Like we're standing on the shoulders of the ten trillion before us. Now is our turn to contribute to the ten trillion that follow. What number are you?

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What number are you?

Well bamboo, I guess if ten trillion came before me and there will be ten trillion to follow, I must be somewhere around 10,000,000,000,001 give or take six billion.

And thanks for the Leonardo quote, I didn't know he was into poetry. I tried my hand at it and couldn't even come up with an ode to writers block, so I remixed an old classic. Sent it to Malloy but he re-remixed into something to do with flying monkeys.



Believeth Not the Official Line of Tripe

Believeth not the official line of Tripe
Democracy suffers when a greedy minority
leads it into a resource grubbing fray.
Rage, rage against the lying of the Right

True Patriots Hail misdeeds of a "Conniver & Thief”
Brave ridicule, criticism, even physical slight
Mock the propaganda Live at Five
Believeth not the official line of Tripe

Speaking of which, 911, not an inside job!
Please,,, Get your head where there's light.
Breath the Warmer, Greener Air, Exhale...
Rage, rage against the lying of the Right

Extreme starboard listing Ideologues
think the Button is Destiny's steering wheel
Hah, Evil seeds in a prophetic plot…
Believeth NOT the official line of Tripe

Chicken Hawks plucked from Ivory Spider-holes
at Judgments invite, denounce affiliation with,
much wailing and gnashing of teeth, do...
Rage, rage against the lying of the Right

And U.S. my fellow Fleas
Bound to the Beast like some sort of reverse parasite.
Should our apathetic yet less than meek souls be salvaged, I pray.
Believeth not the official line of Tripe
Rage, rage against the lying of the Right

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Lookout Bush is coming off his Rocker
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Is this a surprise! Chimps act in this manner from time to time! acts like a chimp, looks like a chimp and walks like a chimp…so IT must be a chimp!

Hey, why isn't that story on every front page in the country?

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Believeth Not the Official Line of Tripe

Thats a real keeper drl!

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Is this a surprise! Chimps act in this manner from time to time! acts like a chimp, looks like a chimp and walks like a chimp…so IT must be a chimp!

Hey, why isn't that story on every front page in the country?

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Believeth Not the Official Line of Tripe

Thats a real keeper drl!

Well, the article in the Dallas paper fits with the book "Bush On the Couch". The Dallas paper isn't exactly what you would call a "Liberal Bastion". When they criticize the Pres. and come up with this "craziness", I tend to believe it.

My mom told me she saw Bush on morning TV about a year ago looking kind of weird, and the segment was pulled for the afternoon news.

Wouldn't suprise me if he flipped out on a live news conference sometime. If he's going to flip, hope he does it that way rather than ordering a nuclear attack somewhere.

These ideologs will do just about anything rather than admit they are wrong about anything. That's one of the things that make them so dangerous. Spooky stuff.

He's racing us back to the Cold War with Russia. What next? I suppose the missle builders need to increase share value or some such nonsense, so billions more for missiles again.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

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Hey, why isn't that story on every front page in the country?

My guess, if you been following my line of thought is... The chimp is the tied-dyed in wool anti-christ. The right-wing owned media is the false prophet. Makes sense, what good is a false prophet if doesn't have large audience?

Now why would the false prophet want to scare the bejesus out of the Nation its been hoodwinking by telling them there's a mad man running it?

I think if Bush's havmor friends are worried about his sanity, we lessers should do likewise.

Well, my concern for a long time has been the slide into fascism. With the elements in place to legally make the leap into its worst aspects, I can see where the possibilities you propose may have some validity.

Such states do invariably bring themselves down in flames. The dynamic is such that military expansion become an enevitability. More and more resources become necessary to finance the military machine and homeland repression of dissent.

Those resource needs reach a point of having to be sought elsewhere (like oil) to generate economic support for the military which in turn uses up the resources, more dissent occurs, etc. and has to expand again, etc., etc.

The weight of the military machine....and the pulling of populations into the military and imprisonment for dissent from productive occupations forces continued expansion. The nation becomes less and less productive at home, needs foreign production...and at this point even the foreign resources to maintain itself. It depletes its own tax base through conscription and imprisonment. It's forced to "rob' other nations in order to maintain itself.

Ultimately, they come into conflict with other countries interests and alliances begin to form. The dynamic of fascism is that it has to ultimately expand through war in order to maintain its economy. Eventually, an alliance will say no more. Forced between collapse and major war, the fascist state will chose major war rather than its own demise.

Fascism is close in many ways to the operation of monarchies...though only the most recent have corporate structures, the Kingdom itself had the similarity of being run for the profit of the Monarchy. It brought European discovery of the new world and Asia...and its share of war and expansion...for profit, and the need for more expansion for profit to support ever larger armies to defend its foreign interests... and total domination of the citizenry. (Iraq?) Even slavery to make up for the labor shortages. Even Hitler came to utilizing slavery.

So I can see your Armageddon scenario coming to fruitition. It fits the biblical context. The U.S. is the only nation except perhaps China that fits the code word "Babylon" described in Revelations.

Also a possibility to stop it, if biblically based..."The prayers of a righteous man will availeth much". Perhaps I should light a lantern, go out into a darkened world, and see if I can find some....let them know what's going on.

"Tis a possibility.

Retired Monk
"Ideology is a disease"

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Perhaps I should light a lantern, go out into a darkened world, and see if I can find some....let them know what's going on.

Well PC if you're from Denver you wouldn't have to far to travel. Try Travesser N.M. and ferret out Michael thereof. This person predicted 9-11 24hrs before its occurance and the fall of Baghdag with pinpoint precision. Really wowed a lot of sign seekers.

Normally I would consider this person so far out in whack field as to have his back against the wall. Now I'm thinking maybe deep whack is where the head of the narrow path sits.

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