I'd prefer my own species be around for awhile, and to think it will still be here when the sun, in its death throes finally scorches everything on it in about 2 billion years…
Polycarp, at the risk of bursting another one of your bubbles, I think the odds orb earth will be habitable or have anything resembling Primordial Soup left to scorch 2 billion years from now might be a tad over optimistic. I see a bad moon a-rising, science has pretty much proven there have been mass extinctions and pole shifts with the regularity of a Swiss watch.
Mars and Venus are both thought to once have atmospheres and no one knows what happened to them. Neither do I, but I have a theory involving Planet X. Now I don’t know if there is such a planet as X or not, I know they seem to be looking for it. And if there is and it comes into the inner solar system, passing close enough to other smaller planets it’s going take anything that isn’t nailed down with it. I don’t know if there was a great flood or not, but I could see a planet x 5 times the mass of earth pushing high tide over the continents faster than people could get to high ground. Bye-bye Unicorns.
Call me Krazy, I thought for sure the Comet Shoemaker-Levy collision with Jupiter was going to torch that giant gas ball and having another star in our solar system wasn’t going to help our global warming predicament. Maybe next time. Maybe next time it will target some one else, look at all the millions of potholes on the moon. Matter of fact less than a year ago a large asteroid buzzed us so close that it could be seen as a slow moving dot crossing the daylit sky.
Solar Flares have been known to start electrical fires, knock out power grids and communication satellites and are constantly flinging globs of charged plasma at us that will sooner or later do far worse to your computer and all the world’s electronic circuits than what Y2K ever conspired. Truth is, if the sun belches hard enough right at us, that could do it right there.
It’s not question of if, it’s a question of are we going to do it to ourselves or will it be an act of God. If it’s the latter and we are still around and still at each other, then see it coming, will we attribute it to an angry God saying no, no, no, you cant quit you’re fired, or just an unlucky coincidence?
Does it do a soul any good to worry about such things? Sure do, as one Sage doing the math put it, “ 90% of what I worry about never happens!” Of course what got him was something he never even suspected, old age.
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DRL: At least quote me in a complete sentence. "I'd prefer my own species be around for awhile, and to think it will still be here when the sun, in its death throes finally scorches everything on it in about 2 billion years, would be rather arrogant."
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This old planet evolves, and evolves. Species arise and disappear. Who are we to think we are different? Even another thousand year would be nice.
Life becomes impossible for some species, and new ones step to the fore.
And I would like the species to stay around for awhile. It would be a shame for it to make itself extinct, and there is a possibility for that. If it goes bye bye, it goes bye bye. Not a preference, and also not anything I can do about it other than what I can.
Our nearest galaxy is also heading for our own. It's a race between the collision with that and the extinction of the sun. So things go.
Would I fire God? No. Things go as they go. Not the way I "want" things to go. And we can chose things to be exactly as we want them to be.
We do this by chosing them to be exactly at they are. When you chose them to be exactly as they are, they are exactly as you want them to be. And that doesn't mean things must always stay that way or can't sometimes be changed to be some other way. And instant to instant, things are always exactly as they are. The only thing that gets in the way of doing this is our own desires and wishes.
Human beings are capable of this. Truely, "The kindgdom of heaven is within you".
Bhuddhism teaches it. Christianity teaches it. In Christianity, the teachings are more difficult to uncover, and they are there. Begin with the Golden Rule common to both, search out all the additional commonalities and go from there. There is an unfathomable depth to the teachings of Christ.
Does it do any good to worry about these things. No. "Today is sufficient to the day". . Worry changes nothing...and it doesn't precude taking action when action is required and beneficial. Take action when you can, and don't worry about it. Worry clouds clear thinking.
Retired Monk "Ideology is a disease"
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Please do forgive me for shorting you on your quote PC. For me it was an obvious statement of humility, what I was trying to impugn it for was its numeric value, so I may have unjustly taken some liberties.
Sorry won’t happen again.
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Would I fire God?
That wasn't question. The way I understand it is, it is God who holds the pink slips. Rhetorical as it was, the question I was pondering is... If it’s a comet, flood, flare, etc that wipes the slate, are people going realize it was God holding the eraser.
To take it a step farther, even if the world ends by the hand of man, who's to say man's hand wasn't divinely guided.
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Truely, "The kindgdom of heaven is within you".
Are you saying you wouldn’t mind spending eternity inside of yourself? What’s in me is the same stuff that’s inside of roadkill, almost too gross to think about. Heaven is eternal roadkill stuff is not. Most of what that stuff is, was designed to remove waste from the body and I doubt there are any commodes in Heaven. Therefore the physical world is nearer my Lord to thee as anything with the same internal workings as roadkill can get.
Heaven is supposed to be in the presence of God and indescribable due to the limits of human comprehension. Conversely, Hell is being cut off from the creator and its residents are made to suffer its discomforts not so much as punishment, but keep them from banning together, escaping and finding a way to disrupt the harmony of Heaven.
If GWB had a toothache, headache, tummyache, earache, ingrown toenail, and was in constant pain cutoff from anyone who gave a rat’s rear, he’d be to self absorbed in his misery to be bothering anybody else.
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Thom’s opening guest today “Paul Craig Roberts” doesn’t hold much hope shy of a mutinous U.S. military intervention of reining in the Bush administration’s bid to hold on to power. He was predicting the U.S. becoming a full-blown police state and a full-fledged war with Iran. Now with all the articles and laws put in place, the only thing needed is another PNAC incited terrorist attack.
Dr. Roberts claimed he had penned the following during a commercial brake with Thom, which means one thing for sure. He can pen way faster than I can.
Once the US experiences new attacks, Bush will be vindicated. His voice will be confident as he speaks to the nation:
“My administration knew that there would be more attacks from these terrorists who hate us and our way of life and are determined to destroy every one of us. If only more of you had believed me and supported my war on terror these new attacks would not have happened. Our security efforts were impaired by the Democrats’ determined attempts to surrender to the terrorists by forcing our withdrawal from Iraq and by civil libertarian assaults on our necessary security measures. If only more Americans had trusted their government, this would not have happened.”
And so on. Anyone should be able to write the script.
Thom is still pushing for impeachment when nothing shy of capital punishment will ever prevent another corporate cabal from replacing the one that is now installed. This administration planned and executed 9/11 and to impeach them for spying on Americans, is like going after mobsters for tax evasion. Let’s hope there’s an Eliot Ness in the Military.
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FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders
There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list. The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be...
I wouldn't count on the military. Mabey the story behind the story about Iraq was to get the troops and the National guard out of the US. I don't know if you've done time for Uncle Sam, I have, can you imagine how a bunch of recruits or non-combat troops would react when confronted by Mercs?
I missed Thoms show but I look forward to getting caught up this week end. Sounds like I missed a couple good ones.I make some pretty critical statements about Thom. At the same time I feel a real affinity for the man and have the utmost respect for him, the work he does and his ability to keep his life flowing like a river which is what life is. His perceptions, ability to change and gift for articulation and expression are unequalled. My friend Jane turned me on to him years ago with his book Attention Deficit Disorder,A Different Perception.
I heard somewhere (mabey just a voice in my head) that if THEY are not impeached within the next twelve months we will be in a full force police state within fourteen months.
The administration is getting a pulse on the public and seem to be moving into panic mode. I guess this was released recently:
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A new study into the collapse of the World Trade Center towers has been released that correlates with the findings of the 2005 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report and supports the theory that intense fires weakened the structure and initiated "global collapse". Much like the NIST report however, it is fatally flawed.
The AP reports:
A computer simulation of the 2001 World Trade Center attacks supports a federal agency's findings that the initial impact from the hijacked airplanes stripped away crucial fireproofing material and that the weakened towers collapsed under their own weight.
In reality the new study by structural engineers at Purdue University does not provide any scientific evidence to explain the collapses, it merely confirms the NIST fireproofing claim in its animation and then jumps to the same conclusions as NIST, conclusions that fly in the face of the laws of physics.
Here's where the new temporary Pres lives. I heard George is headed for the hospital for a while. Something to do with a (prostate) thing:http://cryptome.org/angler/the-angler.htm
Everyone mentions the Mayan calender date of 12/20/2012. You know in 2010 there will be presidential elections in Mexico. In the meantime, the US is sealing our southern boarder and may just export five to twelve million Mexican and Central Americans to their country of origin. The poorest of the latin american countries have always been encouraged to go north for work and to support families. Now that safety valve may be closed. This may add additional presure on the political rulers to our south. At the same time with millions loosing confidence in the Catholic Church and the church having to pay over 2 billion $ over the last twenty years the funds going towards Mexico and Central America may diminish. All of this as intelligence reports indicate that one of the fastest areas of conversion to radical Islam is occuring in Mexico, Central and South America.
drl...You may not be too far off with some of your observations in this thread. We seem to be rapidly approaching the End Game. Its like we've already gone over the cliff and no one is aware.
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"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
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drl...You may not be too far off with some of your observations in this thread. We seem to be rapidly approaching the End Game. Its like we've already gone over the cliff and no one is aware.
Gee? (You can't see it but I'm scratching my head here.) I wonder if that factoid is prophetic or not.
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I had heard about the prisons, but I had no ideal they were that prevalent. They say it costs $40k to big-house an inmate.
800 prisons x average 20k beds x $40k = that aint happening.
Just the same I think I'm going to go around Thom's site here and delete all my posts. Nice talking at ya.
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I’m sitting here listening to the evening replay of the TH show and a woman called in to complain about the Iraqi Parliament taking a month off. She was annoyed because our puppets are slipping their strings to avoid the oppressive summer heat. I believe that’s smart, but if they are truly smart they’ll be looking for other work during their hiatus. Hey Lady why aren’t you complaining about your own legislators, have they missed or planing to miss any time-off.
She says, “How many of our soldiers are going to die while they are on vacation?” I got news for you lady, they can’t do anything to curtail casualties of anybody within their boarders. The only thing they can do is provide high value targets for insurgents. If she feels so strongly about it she should go take their place for a month.
She sure shouldn’t be filling her fuel tank twice a week which makes her far more guilty of killing soldiers than those who are killing soldiers. If she wants to bitch she should be asking why is this country conducting business as usual? Why besides critical services like Hospitals & Fire Depts. who’s staffing should be drawing no more than half salary is there any business open. Do that and the war is over. Ask why are there sitcoms and ballgames on the boob-tube while we are over there…over there, spread the word to beware. Oh yes the yanks are coming, the yanks are coming. A rum tum tumming on…whoops wrong war.
Woman start crying about shutting this place down or shut up. You too Hartmann, don’t be agreeing with people like that.
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Favored terms applied to me are "alarmist, gloom and doomer", etc., or even depressed in dire need of medication.
Yea, I know what ya mean polycarp. For some it's not easy being on the othe side of "normal" I think you know the contadiction of that last sentence. Sure makes for an adventurous life though.
My Grandma used to tell me "what other people think of you is none of your business"
"The moon that I love clears a path through the pines And guides a stream right to the bamboo gate."Poems by Zen Master Hsu Yun: Series I
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Favored terms applied to me are "alarmist, gloom and doomer", etc., or even depressed in dire need of medication.
Yea, I know what ya mean polycarp. For some it's not easy being on the othe side of "normal" I think you know the contadiction of that last sentence. Sure makes for an adventurous life though.
My Grandma used to tell me "what other people think of you is none of your business"
I like your grandma.... "Cannot prevent others from thinking what they want to think." LOL
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The VP sat down behind the desk in the Executive Leatherette, the casters groaned under his weight. He picked up the phone, pressed a speed dial button and in his monotone voice inquired, “Have you seen President Polyp, Err, I mean President Pea Brain?” No I checked the gym he’s not there. Well you find him and get him in here, I need to give him his itinerary for the week. Yeah I know, but we still need him. Operation Pea Harvest is going to have to wait a few more weeks, bye.
Meanwhile the Brain had made himself scarce on purpose, he had been thinking he didn’t need a Dick to run things. He also thought his supposed helper felt the same way about him, now he was sure of it. He unplugged extension from the phone jack and silently slid out from under the credenza and stood up. In his right hand was a can of compressed air with a horn on it. He held the can two inches from the back of the unsuspecting VP’s head, who was wondering why the phone was dead. Then the grinning Brain triggered the horn! He put his foot against bottom of the leatherette so it wouldn’t roll backwards. With his free hand he reached around the VP and grabbed his chin and yanked him and the chair over backwards. He bent at the knees and followed them both all the way to the floor playing the horn two inches from the VP’s ear the whole while.
The surprised VP’s face turned every color of the rainbow then gray. The Brain let off the horn and checked the veep's nonexistent pulse and said, “I guess I’ll be deciding the intinta, the intinitary from now on Dick, and what I need for you to do is, go to the morgue.” He stood-up and kicked the leatherette out from under the body and added, “And while you’re at it, GET OUT OF MY CHAIR!” It was probably your filthy cooties they had to dig out of my butt. The Brain put the air horn in his desk draw and plugged the phone back in. He pushed a button and said, “Come quick, the VP is down!” His plan would have worked perfect if he could have resisted his urge to gloat. He stepped up on the VP’s chest. I guess you won’t be walking on me anymore will you VP Cheunky? He started bouncing up down with glee, I guess you won’t be jumping allover me anymore either!
He stepped down right before the door flung open and a pair of medics rushed in. They quizzed the Brain, “What happened?” I don’t know he just fell over dead. The Brain had walked around to the front of the desk and hadn’t noticed his Dick had stood up. He doesn’t look dead to us. He said, “Huh“, then heard his chair rattling around. He turned to see the resuscitated Man guzzling a vial of pills and brushing the seat of the upright leatherette out. There’s your chair, chump, enjoy it while you can. Three of the parties left together leaving the Brain alone and when the door closed he muttered, “Oops.”
The VP got on his phone and called his Neo Conpadre’s for a meeting in his office, NOW! Do we have everything in place for Operation Pea Harvest? No. Why the Hell Not? Well for one thing Condie refused to get neckit with him. I assume Operation Slay the Beast is good to go. No Sir, the packages are in place but there are many that have not had the time to fully divest themselves of U.S. holdings and/or buy PUTS. Well that’s what they call TS, I want a new operation code named “Chump Roast” to run in conjunction with Slay the Beast. And too that end I want President PB out on the West Coast for a photo op reading “My Pet Goat” to some long shore men in 48 hours. What? We can’t open the packages in 48 hours, I don’t even have my bunker stocked yet! Well best be you be getting busy. No doubt, can I have the rest of the day off? Are you kidding, if I let you leave early I’d have to let half the Hill leave, that would look too suspicious.
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7/27 As soon as the AP radio news finished broadcasting the latest GWB be very afraid message, (Another terrorist attack on US soil is imminent.), as if Speaker Pelosi had took his spot at the podium and was in full agreement with the president they played this from her.
“the threat of terrorist violence against the United States is growing. Al Qaeda is gaining strength, and Osama bin Laden continues to elude capture. There is not a moment to spare to take the steps necessary to keep the American people safe.”
I got two problems with this political propagandic ploy.
Number 1: When we get hit whoever hatched the new hit will be the same homegrown Patriots or Terrorists, Paterrorots/Paterrorists/PNACist (Whatever you want to call them.) who pulled off 9/11.
Number 2: Osama bin Laden! Nobody has seen him since 9/11 when he was constantly on the news 4 times an hour. They kept showing the same clip of him in his bathrobe kneeling down with the Russian Riffle and all 12 of his Qaedians around him. What I remember from early news reporting on 9/11 was Osama bin Laden said kudos to whoever did, but he didn’t anything to do with the attack.
If Osama bin Laden actually shows up after the next Neo Conic insult on US soil, it will be because they had him on ice the whole time.
Personally I think he’s long gone.
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Sung To the tune of “Help Me Make It Through the Night”
HELP ME GET BACK TO THE RIGHT Take the W from my car. Peel it off and let it fall. Leave the bumper clean and bright For this sticker from Ron Paul. It’s not me that’s changin’ sides. It’s more a case of seein’ the light. I’ve supported Bush too long. Help me get back to the Right.
John Derbyshire (R-wing bloger tired of bucking the tide.)
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Come on Dick have a heart, get a heart. We Need More Time. Oh, alright, start resigning and get your biz handled. But don't be dicking around because it's going down, just like the twin towers only way worser. ah ah ah, Ah Ah Ah, AH AH AH, AAAAAH AAAAAH AAAAAH AAAAAH.
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Scuttlebutt by those in the know has it that it's a irreversible done deal. The Beast (that would be U.S. [pronouned us]) are going to start murdering Iranians en masse. Simon Says take the final leap towards Armageddon.
The question is, are our Straussian Neocons going to waste their breath trying to sell this new war to the public, or are they just going to create an environment in this country whereby if you want to eat on regular basis... your best bet will be the Military? Can't be going to Armageddon with what's left of our present force. Will those joining just to eat kid themselves and justify it as fulfilling their patriotic duty because our media is claiming it was mid-easters that just hit us?
U.S. are already the new Nazis and when we attack Iran, since U.S. can't or won't do it, just like Nazi Germany, it will be the world that will bring U.S. back into compliance with morality.
Third time's a charm, when the pundits claim this is the war to end all wars... This time they'll be right.
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Hadn't been much new going on in the line of blatant prophetic happenstance, same old, same old.
Unless you count all the new wind, rain, hurricane, floods and firestorms. Along with more record setting heatwaves, a few earthquakes, and Strange Sights Reported Over East Coast, nothing worth typing about.
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what is going on off the coast of new jersey is a massive alien / ufo intervention to that region in the ocean to set up camps or bases on submerged vast installations that may be free floating underwater or on the bottom of the sea near the USA mainland regions........
The farther you have to go to fetch something the more interesting it gets. That guy may have trotted off the field, trough Whack Stadium to the far side of Whackville to compile his info. Then again, he might have a project for FBI Agents Fox Mulder, Dana Scully. (Haven't checked his picture or video links yet.)
One thing's for sure, a lot of people seen something that was totally abnormal. My guess is what was seen was man-made.
There are, I don't remember how many (a couple of dozen at least) satellites with nuclear reactors up in low earth orbit. Now that the environment is heating-up the atmosphere is extending farther in to space and creating some drag on these satellites.
When these suckers start coming down with their nuclear fuel they are bound to make some bright pretty colors, not to mention add more poision to the soup we breath.
There can only be 2 reasons why the mishandling of nuclear tipped ordinance ever got offered up for public consumption. You can bet if Uncle Sam ever gets ripped-off or misplaces any nukes the public would not be informed. So how did this story break in the first place? Was there an investigative reporter sitting on the tarmac, “Looky there, Nukes! Stop the Presses!
No this story broke because some one on the inside released it. Was that person a whistle blower or a propagandizer?
Could the reporting of this event be part and parcel of the administration’s, “Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid” doctrine therefore they leaked it? I don’t think so, they want us afraid of the invisible bogeyman not their bungling bureaucratic ineptitude.
Whistle blowers are the only reason that stories like this ever see the white of newspaper. Case in point, it’s the only Broken Arrow story I’ve ever heard about, and with thirty thousand of the things lying around I’m sure there have been plenty.
Is it possible that these arrows were to be left out on the counter for a Midnight Reacquisition and some one prevented them from walking off by reporting their presence?
There is no question this administration wants to turn this country into a police state thereby hanging on to power. The question is how to do it so it sticks?
Well a real good way would be to put about 2 deepwater ports out of commission per coast, 6 arrows, six ports. Smoke them and the Beast would implode in on itself as the shelves quickly emptied. Anarchy would rule the day. What better excuse to sic the military and mercs on the GP, fill up eight hundred thousand empty prison beds, suspend elections and widen the war on terror right into Iran.
I started typing this before Mike Malloy came on and he postulated a 3rd possibility. He got some 2nd hand information that the airfield the B-52 landed at was a staging area for the Middle East and that’s where the nukes were probably destined till they got ratted out. Now why didn’t I think of that? Maybe because it’s not plausible. You can bet your bottom dollar they already have enough nukes in place floating around on war ships over there to cook every grain of sand in the Middle East to glass, what would they need more for?
The question is who are they going to hit first, U.S. or Iran? If they do Iran first they won’t ha
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Well PC or should I say Alfred?
