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Melissa sorry to ask but on the Posted 07 December 2007 19:02 you stretched the screen.
I had to put you on ignore since that messed up this thread.
Thanks.
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| Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005 |
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quote: Originally posted by Loki:
Besides that, I'm afraid I'm just too damn lazy to get into the actual argumentation on this with people who are not interested in any form of honest exchange anyway.
Honest.....what a concept. I have only one sock puppet........
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| Posts: 2404 | Location: Redmond WA | Registered: 04 September 2006 |
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Slabmaster, the number of socks is irrelevant to the argument made by these. Stop spinning, boy. Loganthor, quote: Define "severe"
Why, on God's green Earth? So you can spin this to NOT fit YOUR definition? Nice try, but again: WRONG. You don't get to unilaterally define the playing field. quote: Prehaps if you can show me the true nature of civil exchange, I might be a better person.
Ah, nice, our old friend, projection. Let's NOT forget YOU are the one with the big (and rather empty) mirror. |
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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quote: Originally posted by Slabmaster: quote: Originally posted by meljomur:
(CaptainPatch is a Vietman vet, who has more credibility in his little finger on the torture issue, than you do in your entire being)
How so? Did all Vietnam Vets get tortured?
I would say that being in a war in general is a form of torture, but I recall having an exchange with Captain, where he explained some of the horrific things he had to do to people in the name of the American government. Ron, I have done NOTHING to widen this post, so perhaps there is just something wrong with your computer.
"Yeehaw" is not a foreign policy!
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| Posts: 875 | Location: The Emerald City | Registered: 02 January 2007 |
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quote: Why, on God's green Earth? So you can spin this to NOT fit YOUR definition? Nice try, but again: WRONG. You don't get to unilaterally define the playing field.
I do get by vitue of the first to ask a question. A seemingly very important question when defining the very nature of torture. As Sawdust has opined, ABBA causes him severe physical and mental harm. quote: Ah, nice, our old friend, projection. Let's NOT forget YOU are the one with the big (and rather empty) mirror.
Is this your attempt at an honest exchange?
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: Ron,
I have done NOTHING to widen this post, so perhaps there is just something wrong with your computer.
Just tell him that it is Operator Error. Drives him crazy. He probably looking at a 1980 Tandy 14" black and white monitor anyway.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: A seemingly very important question when defining the very nature of toture. As Sawdust has opined, ABBA causes him severe physical and mental harm.
Indeed. And this comment is exactly why I believe that you're not interested in discussing this. May the obligatory, and usually rather psychotic sounding yells of victory ensue: |
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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quote: Ron,
I have done NOTHING to widen this post, so perhaps there is just something wrong with your computer.
Sorry Melissa if you are not a very empathetic person (???), but yes on that post you used too many underlines. The dashes were fine though. |
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| Posts: 7939 | Location: Santa Barbara | Registered: 19 July 2005 |
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quote: Indeed. And this comment is exactly why I believe that you're not interested in discussing this.
While you certainly are entitled to your opinion, I am far beyond you in researched material, Posted opinion and argued nuances regarding this topic, there are probably 6 pages of posts. to which I have contributed half and you have contributed zero. Either you can address anything I have opinioned on in the past, Reframe the topic however you want or merely go away. I have already done my honest discussion. You?
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: Indeed. And this comment is exactly why I believe that you're not interested in discussing this.
May the obligatory, and usually rather psychotic sounding yells of victory ensue
My sister works for Nike. Tell me your Size and I get you a Really good Pair of Running away shoes. I want you to be comfortable while your running away.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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Et Voilà.
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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quote: Et Voilà
Et ici vous inséreriez un argument persuasif qui arrose l'embarquement est la torture
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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Have you noticed that nobody takes your waterboarding-nonsense serious?
Here is it, if you insist: your 'argument', such as it is, revolves around the question of legality, thusly evading the matter from which it is actually about (can you guess what that is?) Beyond that, I'm WAY too lazy to spell this out to you. Better things to do than explain shit to people.
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| Posts: 67 | Location: Manahachtanienk | Registered: 16 November 2007 |
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quote: Have you noticed that nobody takes your waterboarding-nonsense serious?
Nobody.... dont you mean nobody HERE. Seems the US congress, US president, DOJ, CIA, US Military seem to think I am right on track. quote: Here is it, if you insist: your 'argument', such as it is, revolves around the question of legality, thusly evading the matter from which it is actually about (can you guess what that is?)
Would that be the solely emotional argument devoid of any Fact or Reason regarding the sanctity of life, Moral objectivism, what would Jesus do, if you support waterboarding you must be evil, etc etc etc…… Heard them all before. Fact remains, it is legal and we practice the technique repeatedly.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: Nobody.... dont you mean nobody HERE. Seems the US congress, US president, DOJ, CIA, US Military seem to think I am right on track.
Disregarding the rather obvious fact that they don't care about you and your, ehr, 'opinions' either: so would Hitler and Goebbles had they still been alive. Not much of an endorser you got going there, is it? quote: Fact remains, it is legal and we practice the technique repeatedly.
Yup. And your argument so far seems to be: "and therefore I'm right and you are wrong". Rather thin bit of reasoning you got there, don't you think? It's all good just as long as some pencilneck puts it on paper and stamps it. As long as it's a US pencilneck, of course, as long as it's a US pencilneck. Face it, boy, you got nothing. The Right of the Strongest, that's it. And too much of a coward to even admit that that's your only 'argument'. BTW> Check and mate. Goodbye. |
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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One more thing: quote: Heard them all before.
I'm sure you think you have, but let me tell you something: hearing is more than the registration of the sound bytes produced by another person; hearing requires you to put yourself in the other person's shoes - a skil you seem to be pathologically incapable of. quote: Would that be the solely emotional argument devoid of any Fact or Reason regarding the sanctity of life, Moral objectivism, what would Jesus do, if you support waterboarding you must be evil, etc etc etc……
Ah, the old "let's assume shit about people". I would strongly advice you to not make that mistake. Ever. (Let's see if you are capable of deducing the implied statement here.) |
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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quote: Disregarding the rather obvious fact that they don't care about you and your, ehr, 'opinions' either: so would Hitler and Goebbles had they still been alive. Not much of an endorser you got going there, is it?
argumentum ad Nazium quote: Yup. And your argument so far seems to be: "and therefore I'm right and you are wrong". Rather thin bit of reasoning you got there, don't you think? It's all good just as long as some pencilneck puts it on paper and stamps it. As long as it's a US pencilneck, of course, as long as it's a US pencilneck.
Argumentum ad Logicam quote: Face it, boy, you got nothing. The Right of the Strongest, that's it. And too much of a coward to even admit that that's your only 'argument'.
Reductio ad absurdum quote: BTW> Check and mate
Doesn't even seem you got your pieces on the board yet.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: BTW> Check and mate. Goodbye.
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Limbo | Registered: 17 November 2007 |
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quote: Would that be the solely emotional argument devoid of any Fact or Reason regarding the sanctity of life, Moral objectivism, what would Jesus do, if you support waterboarding you must be evil, etc etc etc…… Heard them all before. Fact remains, it is legal and we practice the technique repeatedly.
NOT legal. If I go out and water-board or inflict that sort of punishment that YOU allow, I would be in jail. Illegal! We sent Japanese and others to hell for practicing these same techniques. Remember when your phuck of president told us "it's illegal to spy on Americans"? And then when he was caught, then, and ONLY then did he gather his army of brown-shirts to back him up. Suddenly, spying was legal? That's the same sort of "legal" you are now presenting. It's the same with water-boarding. Same with extreme temperatures and stress positions...they're all "legal" but we know it's torture. Picture our soldiers being captured. Remember those British soldiers being capture by the Iranians? Now imagine had the Iranians tortured them using the same methods we used... Yep, torture... and the wrath of the US military would have bombed the phuck out of those "evil-doers" had they touched a hair on those soldiers... YOU KNOW IT'S TORTURE. Your beloved Jesus knows it's torture too and if you "believe," really believe...then Jesus is watching and knows that YOU are against what is right... King George had a word for those sort of people..."Evil doers." They weren't tortured but we torture. I think that makes us even more evil than the original "Axis of Evil." Yet, here you are proclaiming your innocence based on the fact that your fearless King proclaimed himself immune from all American laws. I can't wait for Hillary or Obama to use their new presidential powers on their political enemies. Their excuse? "The President is above ALL national and international laws." What a fine example King George sets. Pandora's box is now open and thanks to this phuck of a President that YOU support, disaster awaits us.
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quote: NOT legal. If I go out and water-board or inflict that sort of punishment that YOU allow, I would be in jail. Illegal!
Well.... I suppose if the Military was under the same legal system as Civil law and not exempt from it. Every single person in the US military is guilty of Conspiracy to commit a crime. quote: "The President is above ALL national and international laws."
Which laws is he above?
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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quote: Which laws is he above?
Name it, he's above it.
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I wonder what those soldiers that "tortured" people Abu Ghraib were charged with? There must have been some law that they broke that motivate Dufus to say "a few bad eggs" tortured... I wonder if torture is a new right wing conservative family value? I bet Jesus would torture his enemies. That sounds like something Jesus would do.
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I wonder if I tapped into my neighbors phone if I'd get charged with a crime? Hmmmm. I wonder... Boy, the power Hillary will have...such fun!
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Using King George's standards, the Crucification was just a stress position.
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quote: I wonder what those soldiers that "tortured" people Abu Ghraib were charged with? There must have been some law that they broke that motivate Dufus to say "a few bad eggs" tortured...
12 convicted mostly of dereliction of duty. Couple mal-treatment and assualt convictions. Longest sentence was 10 years. quote: I wonder if torture is a new right wing conservative family value?
Of course it is, We spank. Obviciously a breach of the UN conventions. Bring on the wussy Blue hats. quote: I wonder if I tapped into my neighbors phone if I'd get charged with a crime?
At minimum yes, At worst Gitmo.
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| Posts: 7253 | Location: PORTLAND | Registered: 07 November 2005 |
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I wonder if Saddam Hussein would have tortured his prisoners? Oh, that's right, HE DID. I forget, where was it that he did this torturing? Oh, thats right, ABU GHRAIB... And what did the right wing of the Bathist party say? It was probably something along the lines of what the right is telling us today: "We're fighting 'evil-doers' and we must win this battle..." I bet it was something like that. After all, the right loves to battle itself in the hopeless and never-ending wars. And of course the right never realizes that it's battling itself. The right-wingers in Iran, the right-wingers in Iraq, the right-winger hawks in Russia...are all battling each other. I think they're just scared little people that hide behind their boarders and military tactics and weapons...oh yes, they are addicted to the fear because it gives them more power and the chance to live out their violent fantasies. Their beloved corporations love it too because fear sells weapons. The right wingers sell war using fear and of course, the corporations are more than happy to distribute their weapons of death. These radicals then tell us that Jesus/Muhammad (insert deity) told them that we need to use these bombs and tactics in order to solve their irrational fear that sold the wars in the first place. And when those childish and violent tactics stop working, like addicts, they look for more violent and abusive techniques to beat their enemy. They then have to tell us that torture is an American Christian family value of necessity just as the Islamic right tells their followers that suicide bombings is "patriotic." And eventually, as Hitler discovered, you need "FINAL SOLUTIONS" everywhere in order to solve your problems. To paraphrase, if you just kill enough of THEM you can win... I think Jesus would torture...it's just the sort of thing Jesus would do.
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quote: I think Jesus would torture...it's just the sort of thing Jesus would do.
Huckabee just upped the ante in the global political game [America still thinks it's in the game, got a high-roller line of credit extension from the house (aka international solvent nations)], after one of his conversations with god, he announced his running mate, Jesus, sounds good at first, but should something happen to Huck, the first Jew would be in the white house, and Leiberman brought nothing for Gore, least of all FL. Then, foreign policy wonks are running spread sheets on cost of Saudi appeasement with a Jewi.sh pres., not to mention Israel, is he the right kind of Jew? They don't go for that 'king of the jews' thing anymore. He could've picked Abraham instead, and maybe satisfied all factions except India and Thailand, India being the only concern -what with a nuke and all. [note the whole announcement came from Borowitz, as soon as I find it] Jesus for VP quote: Huckabee has made an increasing number of comments about his relationship with Jesus in recent debates, but few Republican insiders expected him to announce that he was anointing Christ as his vice-presidential pick.
"This could be huge for Huckabee," said Stenson Partridge, a veteran GOP consultant. "Among Republican voters, Jesus Christ is even more popular than Ronald Reagan."
The Reverend Pat Robertson, a supporter of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, said he was "blindsided" by the news of Huckabee's decision: "I talked to Jesus last night, and He didn't mention anything about it."
Blaise Pascal
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
Pensees
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slab quote: Cut and run John Murtha would disagree with your opinion after visiting Iraq. He seems to have a new perspective. Imagine that.
And, of course, you're RUNNING to fight?
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As one of my last posts here, I'll mention the honor of posting with y'all! My question is: do we need all sorts of drugs, and a wide net, to be at peace?? My urgent answer is: NO!!! Though the question can be asked whether it was the chicken first?: people with problems are treated like lumps of coal (pariahs), or the egg ?: drug companies et. al. routinely MAKE any of us into permanant lumps of coal with (addictive) soporifics and stimulants, maybe degeneratively killing the human brain-without evidence to the contrary! In general, drugs are kooky control mechanisms!!  (One size fits all)   |
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